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Well, it's not a job with a long career path. Looks like you go to training, and then on to martyrdom. I never really understood the idea of a job where you had a 100% chance of not coming out of it alive. At least with common soldiery, there's a pretty good chance you'll live to see the end of the war, even if you're on the losing side. And there are those who don't believe that Iran is recruiting suicide bombers...

I'll have a go at translation:
In the Name of God, the Most High

“Martyrdom-seeking operations embody the pinnacle of a nation’s greatness and the apex of its epics”

His Eminence the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei

Statement for Recruitment of Martyrdom-seeking Forces

In order to achieve all-round readiness against the enemies of Islam and the sacred Islamic Republic and to protect the foundations of Islam, the Lovers of Martyrdom Garrison plans to organise “a martyrdom-seeking division” for each province in the country from the martyrdom-seeking and brave popular forces of that province and give them specific and specialised training. We therefore request all our pious brothers and sisters, who are committed and determined to defend Islam, if willing, to submit two photographs of themselves, a copy of their identity cards, and the filled-in application form below to the following address, so that preparations for their organisation and training could begin:

P.O. BOX 16535-664, Tehran

It should be noted that for the forces of the martyrdom-seeking division from each province, the training and preparations for martyrdom-seeking operations will be implemented in that province.


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Membership request application


I, ……………, son/daughter of ………… ID number………… Date of Birth …………
Address: …………………………………………… Telephone: ……………………
Request membership in the Martyrdom-seeking Division in the province of …………..

Signature: ……………

How is their dental plan?

How is their dental plan?
I think you're covered, as long as your teeth weren't part of a suicide bomb explosion you set off.

This gives me an idea. You could set up a martyr making facility. You send people into a room, in there is a guy armed with a shotgun. Somehow he makes it clear that he's an 'Enemy of Islam'. The soon to be martyr then attacks him with a blunt toothpick. This would obviously be a pre-pay kind of thing.

I think you're covered, as long as your teeth weren't part of a suicide bomb explosion you set off.

Life insurance must be expensive.

Life insurance must be expensive.
Well, you're not covered if you die on the job. If you die at home, and it's not work-related, I'm sure you're covered.

It needs a better mascot. And to offer money for college.

Which brings up an interesting question; If a suicide bomber kills himself, but nobody else, does he still get his virgins?

Which brings up an interesting question; If a suicide bomber kills himself, but nobody else, does he still get his virgins?
I have the feeling that you could ask a religious leader for a ruling on that, but asking might not be conducive to you getting hired.

Do you want the job, or what? <sarcasm>

Well, it's not a job with a long career path. Looks like you go to training, and then on to martyrdom. I never really understood the idea of a job where you had a 100% chance of not coming out of it alive.

Perhaps they believe it will help create a better world for their loved ones ?
Somewhat like being crucified for other peoples sins.

I have the feeling that you could ask a religious leader for a ruling on that, but asking might not be conducive to you getting hired.

Do you want the job, or what? <sarcasm>

*shakes head* I kind of had my heart set on a managerial position.

Perhaps they believe it will help create a better world for their loved ones ?
Somewhat like being crucified for other peoples sins.
Well, the best part of that is that they won't live long enough to find out either way.

O yes. Another day, another muslim bashing thread.

*shakes head* I kind of had my heart set on a managerial position.
Everyone starts at the bottom. No favoritism, and no nepotism in this outfit, buddy. You can work your way up like everyone else.

O yes. Another day, another muslim bashing thread.
I'm just translating what I read. Feel free to translate it yourself.

Well, the best part of that is that they won't live long enough to find out either way.

True. But it is intruiging that they probably do think they are being noble.
Except for those who really are just in it for the virgins.

fun,flexible hours, uniforms and on the job training.

Join our team!!

Maybe we should just try to talk to them? :rolleyes:

True. But it is intruiging that they probably do think they are being noble.
Except for those who really are just in it for the virgins.

The problem I have with morality and ideals in any struggle is that it's always painting your side as "noble" however idiotic your means are.

At least the people in it for the virgins are honest. However, I get the impression that the virgins thing is for Sunnis, and these are Shias. They are wanting to bring about the re-appearance of the Hidden Imam (and yet again, if you're a martyr, you're not going to be able to see if it worked or not - you won't even know if your side won).

fun,flexible hours, uniforms and on the job training.

Join our team!!

Maybe we should just try to talk to them? :rolleyes:

Hey, they're on salary. They're just doing their job, and wanting a career like everyone else. It wouldn't be right to talk them out of it.

O yes. Another day, another muslim bashing thread.


I think the thread specified suicide bombers, not muslims.

oh-wait.....

Hey, they're on salary. They're just doing their job, and wanting a career like everyone else. It wouldn't be right to talk them out of it.


I hope they never have to outsource

Everyone starts at the bottom. No favoritism, and no nepotism in this outfit, buddy. You can work your way up like everyone else.

I'm a smoker, you know. That won't be a problem, will it?

I'm a smoker, you know. That won't be a problem, will it?
Not at all. Comes in handy when you need to light a fuse.

I'm a smoker, you know. That won't be a problem, will it?
After a few weeks on the job everyone ends up smoking anyway. Just maybe not in the tobacco way.

I'm a smoker, you know. That won't be a problem, will it?


Only if you light your shoe by mistake

I'm just translating what I read. Feel free to translate it yourself.

Translating? Np.

"Hey, this looks like a good OP for a mulim bashing thread".

How did I do?

This is why the ME remains in an economic quagmire. They've not yet learned to outsource to countries with lower labor costs.

Honestly, I've no sympathy. If they can't be bothered to participate in the global economy, on their own heads be it.

I think the thread specified suicide bombers, not muslims.

oh-wait.....

Begins with a "T"....

Translating? Np.

"Hey, this looks like a good OP for a mulim bashing thread".

How did I do?

You can have more fun if you learn Arabic, Farsi, and Swedish.

This is why the ME remains in an economic quagmire. They've not yet learned to outsource to countries with lower labor costs.

The image of several 100 Chinese screaming "Allah Akhbar" and detonating themselves actually is quite scary.

You can have more fun if you learn Arabic, Farsi, and Swedish.

I'm just fluent in right wing crackpot, jingoistic yank, and flagwaving warmonger and a few local dialects thereof.

I'm just fluent in right wing crackpot, jingoistic yank, and flagwaving warmonger and a few local dialects thereof.
More's the pity. For real crazy, you really have to learn a few more languages.

I'm just fluent in right wing crackpot, jingoistic yank, and flagwaving warmonger and a few local dialects thereof.


No...you really arent. Maybe you could get a refund ?

More's the pity. For real crazy, you really have to learn a few more languages.

Reaganese, Bushevik, Chenistani, and Israeliapologia....They are believed to have common roots with the aforementioned...

Reaganese, Bushevik, Chenistani, and Israeliapologia....They are believed to have common roots with the aforementioned...
Are you defending the content of the recruiting poster?

The image of several 100 Chinese screaming "Allah Akhbar" and detonating themselves actually is quite scary.
Nah, nobody does suicides like the Judean People's Front. Sure, they're expensive, but if you're gonna buy suicide bombers you have to think about quality, not just cost.

Are you defending the content of the recruiting poster?

It's a typical symptom of BDS. Anything that may or may not, in any way shape or form, be connected to the current administration can be blamed on Bush.

Nah, nobody does suicides like the Judean People's Front. Sure, they're expensive, but if you're gonna buy suicide bombers you have to think about quality, not just cost.
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Are you defending the content of the recruiting poster?


A classic example of 'disagreement' cleverly countered with 'you don't support Osama, do you?'.


It's a typical symptom of BDS. Anything that may or may not, in any way shape or form, be connected to the current administration can be blamed on Bush.?

"'right wing crackpot, jingoistic yank, and flagwaving warmonger" aren't 100%synomous with the current occupant, you know.


No...you really arent. Maybe you could get a refund ?

So you're annoyed your little "o wait a minute" was wrong?

"'right wing crackpot, jingoistic yank, and flagwaving warmonger" aren't 100%synomous with the current occupant, you know.



So you're annoyed your little "o wait a minute" was wrong?


I'm niether annoyed, or wrong. You seem to be excited about things.

A classic example of 'disagreement' cleverly countered with 'you don't support Osama, do you?'.


It's pretty easy to see the OP is to invite comment on the recruiting poster.

Do you think it's a great idea, or not? I certainly didn't invent the poster, or the ideas it espouses. And I don't believe for a second that the Iranians put it out thinking that it would be ridiculed.

But you're saying that it's not a great idea to examine the works of the Iranian government. Why not? Is there something you see that is bad about the recruiting poster? Embarassing? Or do you think it's great?

It's just a propaganda/recruiting poster Iranian style. I don't see the differance between something like this and Army recruiters.

It's just a propaganda/recruiting poster Iranian style. I don't see the differance between something like this and Army recruiters.
Just the odds of surviving a tour of duty.

Zero, in the case of a martyr.

It's pretty easy to see the OP is to invite comment on the recruiting poster.

Do you think it's a great idea, or not? I certainly didn't invent the poster, or the ideas it espouses. And I don't believe for a second that the Iranians put it out thinking that it would be ridiculed.

But you're saying that it's not a great idea to examine the works of the Iranian government. Why not? Is there something you see that is bad about the recruiting poster? Embarassing? Or do you think it's great?

Actually, examined in context, its "pretty easy to see" that the OP is yet another excuse to launch a "muslims=evil" thread, in the usual vein.


But you're saying that it's not a great idea to examine the works of the Iranian government. Why not? ?

Where did I say this? Please link/c&p.

Where did I say this? Please link/c&p.
All through the thread. You're dismissing the OP as "muslim bashing" which means you don't want the topic considered seriously.

Consider it, because it is real. Not fake. Not mistranslated.

Real.

So, tell me, do you think it's a great idea to recruit people for a job that has zero chance of survival?

Well, if people want to do it...

Well, if people want to do it...

Indeed. It is their life, their choice. And if their families get a nice state pension from it... I can imagine that some of the poorer people think that worthwhile.

All through the thread. You're dismissing the OP as "muslim bashing" which means you don't want the topic considered seriously.?

According to you. According to me, its because when this post is examined in context, its another slab in the greater beaten pathway of "muslim bashing".

According to you. According to me, its because when this post is examined in context, its another slab in the greater beaten pathway of "muslim bashing".
Are you saying that we should never examine what they do, because it is always "muslim bashing"?

Really?

Are you saying that we should never examine what they do, because it is always "muslim bashing"?

Really?

"we" are perfectly free to examine anything that so pleases us.

Currently, I'm free to examine this thread, in the sure and certain knowledge that its part of the usual overhyped Islamophobic shite that pours out of certain quarters of the American right, with its agenda not gaining an undertstanding of such societies, but putting forward and justifying a right wing aggressive American agenda by, yes, "muslim bashing".

"we" are perfectly free to examine anything that so pleases us.

Currently, I'm free to examine this thread, in the sure and certain knowledge that its part of the usual overhyped Islamophobic shite that pours out of certain quarters of the American right, with its agenda not gaining an undertstanding of such societies, but putting forward and justifying a right wing aggressive American agenda by, yes, "muslim bashing".


Feel free to remain completely ignorant of what the Iranians are doing then.

Feel free to remain completely ignorant of what the Iranians are doing then.

Trying to become a nuclear power, unfortunately turning once more in a conservative theocratic direction....with a Jew bashing chief who seems a bit too sure of Allahs blessing for comfort. All alas true....

And this thread is still just one in a pattern of muslim bashing.

It's not Muslim bashing if it's true.

I challenge you to find a more accurate translation of the recruiting poster.

It's not Muslim bashing if it's true.

I challenge you to find a more accurate translation of the recruiting poster.

It is if its another post in a long and regular series. It is if its not given context.

Why does Iran want suicide bombers, apparently?

"No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country."
-George S. Patton

It is if its another post in a long and regular series. It is if its not given context.

Why does Iran want suicide bombers, apparently?

Why indeed. Why, when they have modern weapons that they brag of. Why, when their rockets worked quite well against Israel in the latest Hezbollah action.

Why? Why would you want to recruit thousands of young people to go to certain death?

At least when you join a Western army, there's an outstanding chance you won't even be wounded, much less killed.

there we go-the vain attempt to justify the "need"...

It's not just a job, it's an adventure LMAO!!!!!:gundge:

Well, they would come in handy if the US invaded Iran.

And BTW, in your own translation it's nowhere to be found that these guys are being recruited as Suicide Bombers. Martyr can be everything, from a regular soldier who has died heroically (hoards of KIA's from the Iran-Iraq war are "Martyrs") to people who have in other ways acted heroically.

Why? Why would you want to recruit thousands of young people to go to certain death?

Because they have a surplus of them ?
Sadly, that might be an actual reason.

Well, they would come in handy if the US invaded Iran.

And BTW, in your own translation it's nowhere to be found that these guys are being recruited as Suicide Bombers. Martyr can be everything, from a regular soldier who has died heroically (hoards of KIA's from the Iran-Iraq war are "Martyrs") to people who have in other ways acted heroically.

Yes. Like the kids they ran into the minefields during the Iran-Iraq War, just to clear the mines.

Great policy, that.
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20060424&s=kuntzel042406

"In the past," wrote the semi-official Iranian daily Ettelaat as the war raged on, "we had child-volunteers: 14-, 15-, and 16-year-olds. They went into the minefields. Their eyes saw nothing. Their ears heard nothing. And then, a few moments later, one saw clouds of dust. When the dust had settled again, there was nothing more to be seen of them. Somewhere, widely scattered in the landscape, there lay scraps of burnt flesh and pieces of bone." Such scenes would henceforth be avoided, Ettelaat assured its readers. "Before entering the minefields, the children [now] wrap themselves in blankets and they roll on the ground, so that their body parts stay together after the explosion of the mines and one can carry them to the graves."

Or the casualties of the Chemical Weapons Attacks which were supplied by the West.

EDIT: Oh, if you use The New Republic as a source I will start using the hizbollah site as a source. :rolleyes:

Yes. Like the kids they ran into the minefields during the Iran-Iraq War, just to clear the mines.

Great policy, that.

In a culture based on honour and reputation it makes perfect sense though. Children have less reputation, so their death causes less loss of face. While if they survive they gain honour for the family.

I believe the mafia employs similar reasoning.

Or the casualties of the Chemical Weapons Attacks which were supplied by the West.
Ummm.. thanks for repeating the myth.

The chemical weapons apparently after examination by Porton Down, were thought to be of either local or Russian manufacture, with precursors from Germany.

Not one drop from the US.

In a culture based on honour and reputation it makes perfect sense though. Children have less reputation, so their death causes less loss of face. While if they survive they gain honour for the family.

I believe the mafia employs similar reasoning.

what mafia ?

In a culture based on honour and reputation it makes perfect sense though. Children have less reputation, so their death causes less loss of face. While if they survive they gain honour for the family.

I believe the mafia employs similar reasoning.

Any Western countries that employ children to clear land mines and tell them to wrap themselves in blankets so we can find all the pieces?

Any Western countries that employ children to clear land mines and tell them to wrap themselves in blankets so we can find all the pieces?

Nope. But our culture is not based on the reputation and honour of the family, but on respect for the individual.

Ummm.. thanks for repeating the myth.

The chemical weapons apparently after examination by Porton Down, were thought to be of either local or Russian manufacture, with precursors from Germany.

Not one drop from the US.

Did I say teh US? No, I said the West.

Last year a Dutch Bussinessman was trialed and has to serve a prison sentence because his company delivered Mustard gas and equipment to make Mustard gas to the Iraqi government.

O yes. Another day, another muslim bashing thread.

Boo Fucking Hoo.

What's Muslim about suicide bombers?

Because they have a surplus of them ?
Sadly, that might be an actual reason.

It IS.

Iran is currently on a youth bulge.

It IS.

Iran is currently on a youth bulge.
I find it appalling beyond belief.

I find it appalling beyond belief.

I agree with you on this one, and I doubt that would be the reason.

I agree with you on this one, and I doubt that would be the reason.
It could be the reason.

Children are cheaper than a mine detector, require little training to find mines, and are made by unskilled labor.

It could be the reason.

Children are cheaper than a mine detector, require little training to find mines, and are made by unskilled labor.

I really don't think the Iranians would do such a thing. they aren't in a hopeless war as they were during the 80's.

I find it appalling beyond belief.

Why?

They did it once.

It is ironic you use the website monster.com in your thread title.

Subtlety is underappreciated, it seems.

Reaganese, Bushevik, Chenistani, and Israeliapologia....They are believed to have common roots with the aforementioned...
Mr. Nodinia, tear down this wall around your heart.

Subtlety is underappreciated, it seems.


What would expect from the home of the Sarcasm tag?

Ummm.. thanks for repeating the myth.

The chemical weapons apparently after examination by Porton Down, were thought to be of either local or Russian manufacture, with precursors from Germany.

Not one drop from the US.

Yet Iraq did receive aid from the "West" including satellite intelligence and communications interecepts, not forgetting that most useful of all items, cash.

I find it touching your concern for the children, by the way. Its such a great departure from your genocidal attitude of not too long ago. What caused such a road to Damascus conversion?

Well I sent in my resume, but no one told me there was an application form to fill out. Just goes to show you that it doesn't matter what field you're in, it's not what you know, it's who you know.