NationStates Jolt Archive


America and the World

Malenkigorod
18-08-2006, 17:35
I would like to know what Americans think about the position of USA in the world. From a political and economical point of view, I mean.

And, us, from the others countries of the World, how do we see american superpower?

That could be interesting...Talk about the most powerful country...


I won't start. I wait some answers before I give my opinion...

Hope you'll answer...
The Atlantian islands
18-08-2006, 17:56
I like our position as Super-Power and I like how we have sneakely conquered the worlds cultures without sending any troops.

For instance, you can find a McDonalds anywhere from London, to Tel Aviv, To Tokyo.:D

Global American influence, baby: Since the 1900s:p
Ifreann
18-08-2006, 17:59
I like our position as Super-Power and I like how we have sneakely conquered the worlds cultures without sending any troops.

For instance, you can find a McDonalds anywhere from London, to Tel Aviv, To Tokyo.:D

Global American influence, baby: Since the 1900s:p
I wonder is the McDonalds in Moscow still the busiest in the world.
Laerod
18-08-2006, 18:00
I like our position as Super-Power and I like how we have sneakely conquered the worlds cultures without sending any troops.

For instance, you can find a McDonalds anywhere from London, to Tel Aviv, To Tokyo.:D

Global American influence, baby: Since the 1900s:pFunny that you mention McDonalds. I had to ask the guy what to do after I ordered in the Cincinnati airport because the system is rather different from Germany.
Ifreann
18-08-2006, 18:01
Funny that you mention McDonalds. I had to ask the guy what to do after I ordered in the Cincinnati airport because the system is rather different from Germany.
Yup, we have the metric system. You know a Royale with cheese? That's a 'quarter pounder' with cheese.*nods wisely*
Whereyouthinkyougoing
18-08-2006, 18:02
Funny that you mention McDonalds. I had to ask the guy what to do after I ordered in the Cincinnati airport because the system is rather different from Germany.
Laerod! That was fast to see you back here! How did everything go?
Katganistan
18-08-2006, 18:03
We're one nation among many. Apparently many countries have a love/hate relationship with us, because they claim we have no culture or no culture of worth -- and yet our music, fast food (that I don't understand, btw) and movies seem to be popular.

On the other hand, I live in NYC and consider it, at least, to be very cosmopolitan. There are many different languages, cultures, music, foods and literature available here, as well as meeting people from all over. I wouldn't change that for the world.
Laerod
18-08-2006, 18:03
Laerod! That was fast to see you back here! How did everything go?Ugh... Long story. I might start a thread about it in a couple of minutes.
Demot
18-08-2006, 18:09
As a superpower I think we overstep our bounds too often, and when we do, we don't finish what we start before moving on. Economically, I;m not real sure, the whole econmic system is caput right now, and I fear we're on the verge of another depression if things are nto rectified in the next few years. Overall, I think our country is well enough, but there are just as many other countries that are as good or better off than us.
Call to power
18-08-2006, 18:14
far too competitive I don’t see why America must always have the biggest penis in Europe we put are differences aside a long time ago can’t America do this without two more world wars and a cold war on its doorstep? (also there are far too many dicks preaching that America should just go in and rape everything due to there relative isolation from the rest of the world)

But I must say America is a vastly different country to the rest of the world patriotism and the an unhealthy obsession with the bill of rights means that it can be hard for even us Brits to understand them.

Though overall its an okay country a marvel how it can hold together with a strong federal government but still its like the roommate who does all the chores(or in are case defence bills) so there are friends across the sea no matter what
Xisla
18-08-2006, 18:15
I prefer the USA when Bill ran it.
Vetalia
18-08-2006, 18:20
I prefer the USA when Bill ran it.

Meh, things aren't that much different. We've just got a dipshit in the WH instead of a competent president.
Iztatepopotla
18-08-2006, 18:27
I kind of like the USA. They do a lot of stupid things, but they could do a lot worse too; and they also do a lot of good things. Sometimes by accident but good nonetheless.
Iztatepopotla
18-08-2006, 18:28
far too competitive I don’t see why America must always have the biggest penis in Europe
Because it has to be a veeeeery big penis to reach all the way to Europe, of course.
Call to power
18-08-2006, 18:30
Because it has to be a veeeeery big penis to reach all the way to Europe, of course.

so why can't reach anywhere in the world is it not man enough to pleasure the world?
The Aeson
18-08-2006, 18:32
far too competitive I don’t see why America must always have the biggest penis in Europe

Eh?
Iztatepopotla
18-08-2006, 18:34
so why can't reach anywhere in the world is it not man enough to pleasure the world?
No, just the British. They seem to like that sort of thing. Or at least Tony does.
New Mitanni
18-08-2006, 18:42
I would like to know what Americans think about the position of USA in the world. From a political and economical point of view, I mean.

And, us, from the others countries of the World, how do we see american superpower?

That could be interesting...Talk about the most powerful country...


I won't start. I wait some answers before I give my opinion...

Hope you'll answer...

We'd be lonely here at the top if so many people didn't keep moving here!
Brickistan
18-08-2006, 19:26
America, and its people, often mystifies me. The average American, as I know him / her,…

… talks a lot about peace and democracy – and insists that war and occupation is the right way to do it.

… talks even more about freedom and the right of the individual – but is perfectly willing to sacrifice it all in the name of national security.

… seems to be kind and reasonable when approached individually – but behaves extremely aggressive as a nation.

… is absolutely convinced that America is the greatest and most powerful nation in the world – but is absolutely terrified by communism / terrorism / whatever.

… claims to be very cosmopolitan – but harbours an intense distrust, if not outright hatred, against Muslims / Mexicans / whomever.

... dislikes violence in computer games – but believes that no home is complete without a Colt .45.

… Likes gunfights, explosion and general violence in movies – but gets freaked out by the sight of a bare breast.


This makes it rather difficult to place America in the world. On one hand, America seem to have some great ideals for the rest of the world to live up to – but on the other, America itself seems to be unable to live up to them itself.

America is without doubt powerful, both diplomatic, militarily, and economically. And yet it’s not trusted to use this power.
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 20:04
The US is a hands off hegemon, espescially compared to notable hegemons of the past. It guarantees the stability for a global economy to succeed, without over colonialism.
Montacanos
18-08-2006, 20:19
America is without doubt powerful, both diplomatic, militarily, and economically. And yet it’s not trusted to use this power.

Out of all the countries throughout time which have experienced a golden age which gives them an advantage of strength over many other countries, America is by far the best behaved. Do not expect the next hyper-power to be even half as reserved as us.
Warta Endor
18-08-2006, 20:22
America, and its people, often mystifies me. The average American, as I know him / her,…

… talks a lot about peace and democracy – and insists that war and occupation is the right way to do it.

… talks even more about freedom and the right of the individual – but is perfectly willing to sacrifice it all in the name of national security.

… seems to be kind and reasonable when approached individually – but behaves extremely aggressive as a nation.

… is absolutely convinced that America is the greatest and most powerful nation in the world – but is absolutely terrified by communism / terrorism / whatever.

… claims to be very cosmopolitan – but harbours an intense distrust, if not outright hatred, against Muslims / Mexicans / whomever.

... dislikes violence in computer games – but believes that no home is complete without a Colt .45.

… Likes gunfights, explosion and general violence in movies – but gets freaked out by the sight of a bare breast.


This makes it rather difficult to place America in the world. On one hand, America seem to have some great ideals for the rest of the world to live up to – but on the other, America itself seems to be unable to live up to them itself.

America is without doubt powerful, both diplomatic, militarily, and economically. And yet it’s not trusted to use this power.

Good points! Can I put it in my Sig?
Ginnoria
18-08-2006, 20:22
America, and its people, often mystifies me. The average American, as I know him / her,…

… talks a lot about peace and democracy – and insists that war and occupation is the right way to do it.

… talks even more about freedom and the right of the individual – but is perfectly willing to sacrifice it all in the name of national security.

… seems to be kind and reasonable when approached individually – but behaves extremely aggressive as a nation.

… is absolutely convinced that America is the greatest and most powerful nation in the world – but is absolutely terrified by communism / terrorism / whatever.

… claims to be very cosmopolitan – but harbours an intense distrust, if not outright hatred, against Muslims / Mexicans / whomever.

... dislikes violence in computer games – but believes that no home is complete without a Colt .45.

… Likes gunfights, explosion and general violence in movies – but gets freaked out by the sight of a bare breast.


This makes it rather difficult to place America in the world. On one hand, America seem to have some great ideals for the rest of the world to live up to – but on the other, America itself seems to be unable to live up to them itself.

America is without doubt powerful, both diplomatic, militarily, and economically. And yet it’s not trusted to use this power.
Hey, I'm American, and I like to see bare breasts ...

How can an average American both like violence in movies and not like it in computer games?
Liberated New Ireland
18-08-2006, 20:27
Hey, I'm American, and I like to see bare breasts ...

How can an average American both like violence in movies and not like it in computer games?
I don't think he (she?) was reffering to actual Americans, that looked more like a mishmash of the worst things that some Americans do/believe...
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 20:34
America, and its people, often mystifies me. The average American, as I know him / her,…

… talks a lot about peace and democracy – and insists that war and occupation is the right way to do it.

… talks even more about freedom and the right of the individual – but is perfectly willing to sacrifice it all in the name of national security.

… seems to be kind and reasonable when approached individually – but behaves extremely aggressive as a nation.

… is absolutely convinced that America is the greatest and most powerful nation in the world – but is absolutely terrified by communism / terrorism / whatever.

… claims to be very cosmopolitan – but harbours an intense distrust, if not outright hatred, against Muslims / Mexicans / whomever.

... dislikes violence in computer games – but believes that no home is complete without a Colt .45.

… Likes gunfights, explosion and general violence in movies – but gets freaked out by the sight of a bare breast.


This makes it rather difficult to place America in the world. On one hand, America seem to have some great ideals for the rest of the world to live up to – but on the other, America itself seems to be unable to live up to them itself.

America is without doubt powerful, both diplomatic, militarily, and economically. And yet it’s not trusted to use this power.
I think you're way deep in the land of stereotypes there.
Carnivorous Lickers
18-08-2006, 20:34
In America, we have the best and worst of everything and we can chose which we want.
Brickistan
18-08-2006, 21:05
Good points! Can I put it in my Sig?

Sure, be my guest.

I think you're way deep in the land of stereotypes there.

Thanks, you just reminded me of one that I’d forgotten.

The average American, as I know him / her,…

… hates to be stereotyped – but is perfectly happy to do it to the rest of the world.


Sorry, couldn’t resist…


Ok, so I’m stereotyping a bit, but it’s based on reality.

You do talk a lot about freedom and democracy. Bush says he wants to spread peace and democracy in the Middle East - and then invades Iraq.
You do hold your amendments very dear – but you still let Bush get away with limiting your freedoms (in the name of the War on Terror of course).
You do seem to be quite friendly and reasonably on an individual basis (at least, that’s my impression from visiting US) – but America as a nation is extremely aggressive and seems to prefer force over diplomacy.
You do believe yourself to be the greatest nation on earth – and yet you had the great communist scare and now the great terrorist scare.
You do claim to be a safe heaven for people from all over the world (as long, of course, as they are ready to work hard for the American Dream) – and yet you openly advocate profiling all Muslims, or what’s worse…
You, or at least some of your politicians backed by various organisations, do try to limit, or even ban, certain computer games – and yet you hold the right to bears arms extremely dear.
You do like explosions and gunfights in your movies – but it took a “wardrobe malfunction” to really get your upset.

Once again, stereotyping based on reality…
Ginnoria
18-08-2006, 21:10
Again, I can't speak for all of America, but I'm definitely in favor of seeing breasts on television.
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 21:13
Sure, be my guest.



Thanks, you just reminded me of one that I’d forgotten.

The average American, as I know him / her,…

… hates to be stereotyped – but is perfectly happy to do it to the rest of the world.


Sorry, couldn’t resist…


Ok, so I’m stereotyping a bit, but it’s based on reality.

You do talk a lot about freedom and democracy. Bush says he wants to spread peace and democracy in the Middle East - and then invades Iraq.
You do hold your amendments very dear – but you still let Bush get away with limiting your freedoms (in the name of the War on Terror of course).
You do seem to be quite friendly and reasonably on an individual basis (at least, that’s my impression from visiting US) – but America as a nation is extremely aggressive and seems to prefer force over diplomacy.
You do believe yourself to be the greatest nation on earth – and yet you had the great communist scare and now the great terrorist scare.
You do claim to be a safe heaven for people from all over the world (as long, of course, as they are ready to work hard for the American Dream) – and yet you openly advocate profiling all Muslims, or what’s worse…
You, or at least some of your politicians backed by various organisations, do try to limit, or even ban, certain computer games – and yet you hold the right to bears arms extremely dear.
You do like explosions and gunfights in your movies – but it took a “wardrobe malfunction” to really get your upset.

Once again, stereotyping based on reality…
Yeah right. Congratulations, your a narrowminded asshole.
The blessed Chris
18-08-2006, 21:13
Whilst being proudly English (vote NBIP;) ). I don't perceive the USA as any idiosyncratically malign force in global politics. It is more of an anachronism, since it conducts itself with the self-interest and disregard of a colonial state, yet does so in a post-colonial era.

The effectors of this policy are, admittedly, economic, as opposed to military, however; would the USA be deplored to the same increment a century ago, as it is today? Quite evidently not.
Brickistan
18-08-2006, 21:15
Again, I can't speak for all of America, but I'm definitely in favor of seeing breasts on television.

Well, there’s always the odd individual that defies the stereotype. ;)

Gives me hope though, perhaps America is not a lost cause after all…
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 21:16
Well, there’s always the odd individual that defies the stereotype. ;)

Gives me hope though, perhaps America is not a lost cause after all…
It's more than the odd individual, dumbass.
Ginnoria
18-08-2006, 21:19
It's more than the odd individual, dumbass.
OMG - You like breasts, too?! And you live in America! We should start some kind of movement ... :p
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 21:19
OMG - You like breasts, too?! And you live in America! We should start some kind of movement ... :p
Fuck, like breasts? I love 'em man.
Brickistan
18-08-2006, 21:20
Yeah right. Congratulations, your a narrowminded asshole.

It's more than the odd individual, dumbass.

Perhaps you’d have better luck arguing your case if you refrained from name-calling…
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 21:22
Perhaps you’d have better luck arguing your case if you refrained from name-calling…
Perhaps you'd be easier to take seriously if you didn't base your opinions on some 300 million people on false stereotypes.
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 21:25
You might as well rank on par with those folks who go about posting that 'French Military History' thing every so often.
Ieuano
18-08-2006, 21:28
You might as well rank on par with those folks who go about posting that 'French Military History' thing every so often.

what the google seach for french millitary victories? That has its funny moments...
Carnivorous Lickers
18-08-2006, 21:29
Perhaps you'd be easier to take seriously if you didn't base your opinions on some 300 million people on false stereotypes.


If things are so wrong here in America, just imagine how lowly he feels?
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 21:30
what the google seach for french millitary victories? That has its funny moments...
Maybe the first thirtythousand times it was posted...

Although I still find the "drunk frat boy" part comical, but only because of the image it conjures.
Brickistan
18-08-2006, 21:30
Perhaps you'd be easier to take seriously if you didn't base your opinions on some 300 million people on false stereotypes.

False stereotypes? Stereotypes – sure. False – it’s all things that has happened / is happening.

Exaggerated and stereotyped. Guilty as charged.

But please tell me which of these events are false…

You might as well rank on par with those folks who go about posting that 'French Military History' thing every so often.

Once again, name-calling doesn’t help. Besides, I’ve never taken part in a discussion about the French army…
Ieuano
18-08-2006, 21:32
Maybe the first thirtythousand times it was posted...

Although I still find the "drunk frat boy" part comical, but only because of the image it conjures.

good times, good times
Brickistan
18-08-2006, 21:34
If things are so wrong here in America, just imagine how lowly he feels?

I merely made a caricature of how America might be viewed from the rest of the world. I never said that it was "wrong". I’ll leave the judgment for my children and grandchildren…
Tzorsland
18-08-2006, 21:36
Again, I can't speak for all of America, but I'm definitely in favor of seeing breasts on television.

Sorry, I prefer my breasts on women, not on televisions. :p

I mean it was ok when the TV had one breast and was called the "boob tube" but I much prefer the flat chested super wide screen TV's of the 21st century over those old boob tubes.

Just had to get that off my chest. :D
The blessed Chris
18-08-2006, 21:37
Sorry, I prefer my breasts on women, not on televisions. :p

I mean it was ok when the TV had one breast and was called the "boob tube" but I much prefer the flat chested super wide screen TV's of the 21st century over those old boob tubes.

Just had to get that off my chest. :D

Oh dear god......

That was inspired!:D
Ginnoria
18-08-2006, 21:38
Sorry, I prefer my breasts on women, not on televisions. :p

I mean it was ok when the TV had one breast and was called the "boob tube" but I much prefer the flat chested super wide screen TV's of the 21st century over those old boob tubes.

Just had to get that off my chest. :D
Me too, but I can't get any women, so I have to take them where I can get them. :(
Ifreann
18-08-2006, 21:42
Sorry, I prefer my breasts on women, not on televisions. :p

I mean it was ok when the TV had one breast and was called the "boob tube" but I much prefer the flat chested super wide screen TV's of the 21st century over those old boob tubes.

Just had to get that off my chest. :D
You win at the internet
http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/large/awinnerisyou-37081.jpg
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 21:47
False stereotypes? Stereotypes – sure. False – it’s all things that has happened / is happening.

Exaggerated and stereotyped. Guilty as charged.

But please tell me which of these events are false…

There are people who personify these, but they are far from being the average American.

For example, on point two: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/17/domesticspying.lawsuit/index.html

Point three: You're suffering from the bitter experience of a selection bias here. You only notice the one big instance in which the US seemed to ditch diplomacy, the War in Iraq. Prior to that, the Clinton Administration made regular use of diplomacy to deal with conflicts, and the Bush Administration has also done so, such as when dealing with the US Navy plane that China forced down early in his presidency. Or since then regarding North Korea and Iran. Not to mention countless other situations that have occured, but received virtually no press coverage.

Point four: Really doesn't seem relevant. We're worried that some people might try to kill American citizens. You don't have to be a superpower to kill random people, just a douchebag with an AK-47. And anyways, the greatest communist scare? Hello! The greatest communist scares definitely belong to Germany (Hitler), Italy(Mussolini) and Spain(Franco). All three of those rose to power with the aid of a tremendous fear of communism. The US never brought a despot to power on those grounds.

Point Five: While I am fully opposed to the practice of profiling, the conflict here seems false.

Point Six: I thought you were claiming this was an issue of the average American, not a loud minority.

Point Seven: Has to do with ratings. People don't generally expect to see a gunfight or violent explosion in the superbowl. They expect a G-rated experience.
Once again, name-calling doesn’t help. Besides, I’ve never taken part in a discussion about the French army…
I am stating that your little list is equal to that little list in truth.
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 21:52
Beyond that, stereotypes are totally invalid in any serious argument. The claims you make are also incredibly general, failing to reference any single specific event. Furthermore, you'll find far more exceptions to your claims, than there are those that match up with the rule exactly. As you said yourself, your claims are exaggerated, and that exaggeration is distortion.
Andaluciae
18-08-2006, 22:00
Now it's time for me to ride the bus/walk home from work, I'll be occupied with this task for about fortyfive minutes.
Liberated New Ireland
18-08-2006, 22:02
Now it's time for me to ride the bus/walk home from work, I'll be occupied with this task for about fortyfive minutes.
Good luck. Watch out for your cornhole.
Amadenijad
18-08-2006, 22:05
I would like to know what Americans think about the position of USA in the world. From a political and economical point of view, I mean.

And, us, from the others countries of the World, how do we see american superpower?

That could be interesting...Talk about the most powerful country...


I won't start. I wait some answers before I give my opinion...

Hope you'll answer...


AMERICA IS THE RICHEST MOST POWERFUL NATION ON EARTH. IF AMERICA WAS A WOMAN, IT WOULD BE A BIG TITTED WOMAN...AND EVERYBODY LOVES A BIG TITTED WOMAN!!!!!
Liberated New Ireland
18-08-2006, 22:08
AMERICA IS THE RICHEST MOST POWERFUL NATION ON EARTH. IF AMERICA WAS A WOMAN, IT WOULD BE A BIG TITTED WOMAN...AND EVERYBODY LOVES A BIG TITTED WOMAN!!!!!
I'm assuming you're not American...
Amadenijad
18-08-2006, 22:09
on a more serious note, i think that the United States position as the world's sole superpower is a type of double-edged sword. The paradox of american power if you will. America is truly the world's most powerful nation, the purchasing and military power of the united states, is comparably the greatest entity since the roman empire at its height. Its great to have a very powerful nation, however, as we have seen with iraq and other various foreign policy problems, that nation will take a huge hit in its credibility when it slips up.
Amadenijad
18-08-2006, 22:10
I'm assuming you're not American...


hell yeah im American.
Montacanos
18-08-2006, 22:11
I merely made a caricature of how America might be viewed from the rest of the world. I never said that it was "wrong". I’ll leave the judgment for my children and grandchildren…

Based upon your points, I think that you're complaining about the fact that America is one of the single most diverse countries in the world. Equally of culture, opinion, politics, and society. To get the feeling of being in a new country I only need to visit a new part of my state.

For all the "Racist" and "Xenophobic" tendencies that are given to America, we seem to adapt to new cultures far more easily than most other countries.
Liberated New Ireland
18-08-2006, 22:12
hell yeah im American.
ooh-kaay... then I'm hoping you weren't being serious...
Liberated New Ireland
18-08-2006, 22:15
Based upon your points, I think that you're complaining about the fact that America is one of the single most diverse countries in the world. Equally of culture, opinion, politics, and society. To get the feeling of being in a new country I only need to visit a new part of my state.
Hell, I only need to walk down a few blocks...

For all the "Racist" and "Xenophobic" tendencies that are given to America, we seem to adapt to new cultures far more easily than most other countries.
Well, most of us, anyway... there's just a very vocal and powerful few that make the rest of look bad...
Amadenijad
18-08-2006, 22:15
ooh-kaay... then I'm hoping you weren't being serious...


well i think that most people in america like women who are...well endowed, but that was actually a quote from "Head of State." I was serious in my next post.
Barbaric Tribes
18-08-2006, 23:33
Yup, we have the metric system. You know a Royale with cheese? That's a 'quarter pounder' with cheese.*nods wisely*

I learned more from you than in all my 12 years of schooling. I am not kidding.
Barbaric Tribes
18-08-2006, 23:34
I'm assuming you're not American...

How is what he said not an American statement? thats the most American thing I've ever heard....
Trotskylvania
18-08-2006, 23:36
ooh-kaay... then I'm hoping you weren't being serious...

It's a quote from a Chris Rock Stand up routine. I find it rather funny.