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http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060817-111533-1828r.htm

Ah, I see. She was saying the kinds of things I hear on NS General from OceanDrive, and talking about Bush and Flight 93, and when she started to pull her pants down, that's when she was a threat.

Didn't know that 59 year old naked ass could be a threat...

What a bizarre story.

I think they did they right thing in tackling her before she bared her arse.

What a bizarre story.

I think they did they right thing in tackling her before she bared her arse.

Well, it might have been hideous to see.

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060817-111533-1828r.htm

Ah, I see. She was saying the kinds of things I hear on NS General from OceanDrive, and talking about Bush and Flight 93, and when she started to pull her pants down, that's when she was a threat.

Didn't know that 59 year old naked ass could be a threat...

Wrinkly, old ass is always a threat. *nods*

Urmm I don't think she really needed tackling... I think maybe she needed a good talking to and nothing else.

Urmm I don't think she really needed tackling... I think maybe she needed a good talking to and nothing else.

Well, if it was my plane, and someone took their pants down and pissed on the floor, I would kick their ass all the way to the destination.

and was restrained by two passengers after she urinated in the aisle.

I think that may have been the kicker..

You know, if a person is sufficiently dehydrated, and they held it long enough, they'd build up a bit of ammonia in their piss. Mix that with a bit of bleach from a bottle, and you've got some potent mustard gas precursors...

Well, if it was my plane, and someone took their pants down and pissed on the floor, I would kick their ass all the way to the destination.
Yes, well since it wasn't your plane, that's a little irrelevant, no?

Maybe make her pay a "soiling charge" like in a taxi, but I don't think anything more.

You know, if a person is sufficiently dehydrated, and they held it long enough, they'd build up a bit of ammonia in their piss. Mix that with a bit of bleach from a bottle, and you've got some potent mustard gas precursors...

I think that's a stretch. She had a bottle of water, according to the article.

In any case, not any stronger than the stuff you get from mixing ammonia and bleach when cleaning the bathroom at home.

I think that's a stretch. She had a bottle of water, according to the article.

In any case, not any stronger than the stuff you get from mixing ammonia and bleach when cleaning the bathroom at home.
I never was suggesting that seriously, I was just letting my mind meander.

I never was suggesting that seriously, I was just letting my mind meander.
I've had fairly lethal farts...

I've had fairly lethal farts...
Wellers, looks like it's on the no-fly list for you. 'Poison Gas' is listed as one of the forbidden items :D

Wellers, looks like it's on the no-fly list for you. 'Poison Gas' is listed as one of the forbidden items :D

You can light farts, too.

You can light farts, too.

Yeah, but you're not allowed to have lighters, and matches are a little more difficult for that purpose.

You can light farts, too.
Sufficient farting to fill the plane with methane and then ignite it. :eek:

Urmm I don't think she really needed tackling... I think maybe she needed a good talking to and nothing else.


A good talking to, eh ? We have to keep tolerating bizzare behaviour, and keep a vigilant watch on someone acting deliberately strange until its absolutely clear they are a danger? On a plane? No-if she was on a sidewalk, thats one thing, but not in the air.
I have the right to comfortable and not threatened by this strange behaviour on a plane- People acting like this should be restrained, straight jacketed, sedated and gagged, if needed. I dont have to worry about my well being or that of my families for an entire flight.

Keep talking...what if you say the wrong thing? What if by mistake you utter her trigger word-"tangerine" or worse- and she goes totally beserk.

There is no place on an airplane for ranting and urinating on the carpet. Thats not reasonable, acceptable behavior.

I think that's a stretch. She had a bottle of water, according to the article.

In any case, not any stronger than the stuff you get from mixing ammonia and bleach when cleaning the bathroom at home.
Chloramines will be formed. Not real pleasant. They can burn the shit out of your lungs.

You know, if a person is sufficiently dehydrated, and they held it long enough, they'd build up a bit of ammonia in their piss. Mix that with a bit of bleach from a bottle, and you've got some potent mustard gas precursors...

No, no, that's clorine gas. It's an asphyxiant.

Mustard gas is a blistering agent using sulpher mustards. Much much worse.

No, no, that's clorine gas. It's an asphyxiant.

Mustard gas is a blistering agent using sulpher mustards. Much much worse.
No, you get chlorine when you mix hypochlorite bleach and an acid. Ammonia with hypochlorite gives you chloramine.

So the flight crew asked random people to help them restrain the woman? That in itself is foolish. Who's to say the people they asked weren't hijackers or the like?

No, you get chlorine when you mix hypochlorite bleach and an acid. Ammonia with hypochlorite gives you chloramine.

My bad. The second part is right though.

Urmm I don't think she really needed tackling... I think maybe she needed a good talking to and nothing else.


Riigghhhht.

Just tell her to snap out of her insanity.

That always works.

A good talking to, eh ? We have to keep tolerating bizzare behaviour, and keep a vigilant watch on someone acting deliberately strange until its absolutely clear they are a danger? On a plane? No-if she was on a sidewalk, thats one thing, but not in the air.
I have the right to comfortable and not threatened by this strange behaviour on a plane- People acting like this should be restrained, straight jacketed, sedated and gagged, if needed. I dont have to worry about my well being or that of my families for an entire flight.

Keep talking...what if you say the wrong thing? What if by mistake you utter her trigger word-"tangerine" or worse- and she goes totally beserk.

There is no place on an airplane for ranting and urinating on the carpet. Thats not reasonable, acceptable behavior.

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Totally correct.

So the flight crew asked random people to help them restrain the woman? That in itself is foolish. Who's to say the people they asked weren't hijackers or the like?

It would appear to me that she wasn't a hijacker, and merely a frigging nut case. I don't believe that hijackers drop their pants and piss on the floor as part of their routine to hijack or bomb aircraft. In fact, it's pretty obvious that unless they announce a hijacking, they would go out of their way not to draw attention to themselves.

I've flown the United flights from Heathrow to Dulles many times, and I have an extremely US military appearance. I probably would not have waited for a steward to ask me to help - I would have laced her trachea into a reef knot, and had a quiet conversation about how pissing on the floor in an airplane isn't a valid option.

Well, if it was my plane, and someone took their pants down and pissed on the floor, I would kick their ass all the way to the destination.Your compassion for people with mental disorders must be unlimited...

Your compassion for people with mental disorders must be unlimited...

If someone obviously can't tell the difference between right and wrong, I have compassion - but they get restrained anyway.

I have the impression, based on her apparent conversation, and coy use of the organization with a two-word name, that she knew the difference, and therefore doesn't fit the qualification for legal insanity. In which case, she might be sorry she felt like being an ass that day.

If someone obviously can't tell the difference between right and wrong, I have compassion - but they get restrained anyway.

I have the impression, based on her apparent conversation, and coy use of the organization with a two-word name, that she knew the difference, and therefore doesn't fit the qualification for legal insanity. In which case, she might be sorry she felt like being an ass that day.Legal insanity, perhaps. Then again, I doubt anyone banging their head against the plane while seated has a good grasp on reality, if only temporarily.

Legal insanity, perhaps. Then again, I doubt anyone banging their head against the plane while seated has a good grasp on reality, if only temporarily.

No reason not to restrain her if she was doing what the article says she was doing.

I can handle her talking out of her ass. It's the pissing on the floor bit where I would ask for some plastic cuffs and tie her up.

No reason not to restrain her if she was doing what the article says she was doing.

I can handle her talking out of her ass. It's the pissing on the floor bit where I would ask for some plastic cuffs and tie her up.No problem with restraining her. When I read about it in the Washington Post I was shocked that it took so long to do something about her. In my opinion, someone should have been taking care of her much sooner.

No problem with restraining her. When I read about it in the Washington Post I was shocked that it took so long to do something about her. In my opinion, someone should have been taking care of her much sooner.
Well, I wasn't sitting next to her.

Perhaps the first time she started talking out of her ass, hinting about Al-Qaeda and lighters and other forbidden items, I would have told her to shut up, or leave the aircraft.

It would appear to me that she wasn't a hijacker, and merely a frigging nut case.

She appears to be a peacenik of sorts and seems to have had a pen pal in Pakistan which developed into love. She has been visiting Pakistan often to see him and something must have gone wrong and upset her...

http://www.rherald.com/News/2002/1226/Letters/l02.html
Letters December 26, 2002

Love & Culture

In Pakistan

The ice cream man pedals his cart along the street. His calliope is playing "It's A Small World After All." I can see the blue umbrella of his cart above the security fence.

My room is on the ground floor, in the corner of the hotel near the security guard hut. There are two security guards on duty all the time, day and night. There are also two in the back of the hotel. They wear automatic rifles over their shoulders.

A man singing Islamic prayers is being broadcast over the loud speaker. This is the modern world here in Pakistan. Instead of the call to prayers from the turret of a mosque, loud speakers are installed on every corner like public phone booths in the states. Prayers are offered five times a day. I have a prayer rug in my hotel room, and an arrow on the desk showing me the compass direction toward Mecca.

I have come here by a long strange road. I met Junaid, a Pakistani man, on line before September 11. He is talking about marriage, so I need to get to know him better before I bring him into the US on a fiancé visa. He was refused a visitor visa to the US, so I have come here.

I have already lived through Ramadan, and Eid. I know a lot about his culture, for sure! But now I need to get to know the man. Instant Messenger works well for awhile, but we got to know each other so well that we were arguing all the time.

We are still arguing. I have the entire staff of the hotel helping me out with this. My phone calls to Junaid have to go through the front desk. When he comes to the hotel, the receptionist calls my room and announces, "Mr. Junaid is here." I have to give my permission before he is sent down the hall. Every day, when I need to talk to someone, I tell the front desk what Junaid and I are arguing about. They give me good advice.

There is a general rule about the relationship between men and women here. The man is supposed to tell the woman what to do. The woman is supposed to say that she is trying very hard to do what he says, but she is always making mistakes.

There is real equality between the sexes here. Equality, with a sense of humor.[:headbang: well now u know she IS looney]

This is not a vacation atmosphere. It is very dangerous for a US citizen to be in Pakistan. This hotel has guests who work at the U.S. Consulate, so safety is a high priority. The hotel has special drivers to take people to their destination, stay with them, and then bring them back to the hotel.

Junaid is worried constantly about my safety. I feel bad about this, because it means that there are a lot of things we can’t do together. But we have no other choice. Because he is from Pakistan, he can get visitor visas only to other Islamic countries. Security for me would be worse in Yemen or Iran.

Ramadan was quite a test. I came here on purpose for that. I wanted a heavy dose of the Muslim tradition, and I certainly got it! It is a federal crime to eat or drink in public during daylight hours in Pakistan during Ramadan. Whenever I had a bottle of water, I had to drink it by myself behind a closed door. [The rule is only for muslims, not for non-muslims, somebody played a trick on her methinks]

Ramadan was a test for Junaid, too. I didn’t tell him I was coming. I wanted to surprise him, to see if he was true blue.:p

Pakistani men don’t like surprises. I called him from the hotel when I got in. He had already figured out that I was in Pakistan, because it takes two days to get here and I hadn’t been on line. He came right over to the hotel, bringing a bouquet of roses. I will never forget my first sight of him, walking towards me down the hotel hallway, carrying so many roses that I was never able to count them all.

He passed the test.;)

The author, Cathy Mayo, lives in the Battles Schoolhouse out on Battles Brook Road. A writer and photographer, she is 55 years old, graduated with a BS in forestry, and has three children and three grandchildren. She has lived in Vermont most of her life.


Another article

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060817.wflite0817/BNStory/International/home
Ms. Mayo's son, Josh, 31, described his mother as a peace activist and said she had been in Pakistan since March. She travelled there often since making a pen pal prior to Sept. 11, 2001, he said. The pen pal hasn't been allowed to visit the U.S., he added.
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Ms. Mayo does have clear connections to Pakistan. The Daily Times of Pakistan has published columns she has written, including one on March 18, 2003, in which she criticized U.S. President George W. Bush.
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FBI spokeswoman Gail Marcinkiewicz confirmed Thursday that authorities found a screwdriver and an unspecified number of cigarette lighters in her bag, items which are banned under new security regulations. Ms. Marcinkiewicz also confirmed that matches were found Ms. Mayo's bag.

She also had a bottle of water, which did not appear to be supplied by the flight crew. It wasn't clear how the items made it through airport security, which is been significantly tightened since the terror plot arrests.

Later during the flight, according to the affidavit, Ms. Mayo asked a flight attendant: “Is this a training flight for United Flight 93?” The flight attendant didn't know if she made a mistake because the flight was actually Flight 923, or if she was referring to Flight 93, the hijacked plane that crashed in Pennsylvania on Sept. 11.

She was “biting her fingers, rubbing her feet and in a constant state of movement. She appeared very agitated,” the affidavit said.

She also wrote in a note and said to flight attendants that she had been in a country illegally, and later said she had photographs of Pakistan.

“She stated that the photographs would be awful, and she indicated that they related to the people that she had been with in the mountains of Pakistan,” the affidavit said.

Flight attendants summoned the captain, who spoke to Ms. Mayo. During the conversation, she made reference to there being “six steps to building some unspecified thing.”

“She made reference to being with people associated with two words. She stated that she could not say what the two words were because the last time that she had said the two words she had been kicked off of a flight in the United Arab Emirates,” according to the affidavit.

The captain and purser both believed that she was referring to al-Qaeda, Mr. Choldin wrote.

About 35 minutes later, when she tried to go to the bathroom, the flight attendants directed her to a different lavatory. Instead, she pulled down her pants and urinated on the floor, Mr. Choldin wrote in the affidavit, which was based on his interviews and those of other federal officials.

At that point, the captain ordered her restrained. Two male passengers helped a flight attendant tackle Ms. Mayo and restrain her in plastic cuffs.

The flight, with 182 passengers, landed safely at Logan Airport with the escort of two F-15 fighter jets.

I could'nt find the article mentioned above, but a search got me this from DailyTimes a Pak newspaper..needs registration with a real email.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_27-5-2003_pg3_5
Tuesday, May 27, 2003

AN AMERICAN IN PAKISTAN: Dear Senator Byrd

Catherine Mayo

America had the purest form of democracy, and the only reason it existed in its purity was because of Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin et al. Pure democracy is based on the belief that human beings will do the right thing if they are given enough freedom

I know your courage. I will always remember what you said on the day the bombs began to fall on Baghdad, that you wept for our country. On that day, democracy died.

In your remarks on the Senate floor on May 21, 2003, you ended with a note of hope, that Americans would eventually see the truth of what has happened to them. But we need to accept the fact that there is no such hope. I am an American who has lived outside the country for the past six months, and I have seen the truth as it has happened. But the ordinary American living in the country will never see it. Allowing that knowledge into consciousness would give him so much despair that he would never be able to recover.

Democracy is the best form of government that human beings can have. But because of its very nature, if it is not lived continuously in the present, its definition is forgotten. Today, no one in the world remembers what democracy is.

America had the purest form of democracy, and the only reason it existed in its purity was because of Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin et al. Pure democracy is based on the belief that human beings will do the right thing if they are given enough freedom. But it works only if that freedom is equalled by the same amount of discipline. The rules for democracy are many and complicated, and all the rules need to be obeyed all the time.

After 9/11, Americans forgot to monitor the system of checks and balances that informs their government’s functioning. All the power was given to a president not elected by the people. After that day, Americans forgot that they needed to be disciplined, even in the face of great fear.

By invading Iraq, America did an immoral thing that will have repercussions down through time. A few Americans see the horror of this now, of what was done in their name. But the other truth they will keep hidden from themselves, because it is just too much to bear — of their own free will, Americans allowed democracy to die. It will never appear again, because there will never again be a group of fearless, disciplined, free thinking men planning a revolution and writing a golden Constitution at the same time.

We need to think back to that era of 1776. A poor oppressed people, fearlessly farming a primordial land, realised that they were worth more than servants of the King of England. They got together and published works of protest, they staged demonstrations, they began to see themselves as a national entity. The English crown and parliament didn’t understand what was going on, because it had never happened before. We need to think about how amazing it was, because the people in the colonies were thinking through everything consciously before they did it.

Compare this to the “democracy” envisioned for Iraq, and you can see how much we have forgotten.

What we have forgotten is how unique democracy is in the history of mankind. It is not a natural progression from other forms of government. It only exists when its people believe in their own ability to create themselves, standing tall in a complex and sometimes violent world, solving their problems by following the rules and thinking things through.

In the course of one day, Americans decided to redefine who they were. I was in Vermont on 9/11, listening to Vermont Public Radio, and I heard my fellow Americans come to the conclusion by the end of the day that they were a vulnerable people not equal to the task. They were going to crawl into their homes and hide. I was horrified by this, I had never heard Americans talk this way before. I was hoping that by September 11, 2002, they would have worked through their fears and become a strong people again. But it never happened.

America now is full of institutions that no longer know why they exist — the Congress, the Supreme Court, the intricate system of branches of government from the federal down to the state level. Now, to Americans, the only real institutions are the Department of Homeland Security and their TV sets.

Why did this happen? Americans were acting totally out of character. The American democracy had been in existence for over 200 years, everyone knew how it worked. People like feeling strong, in charge of their own destinies. Americans were a proud people, eccentric, intelligent. When people feel their own freedom, they also feel their own bravery. Why did Americans give all that up in one day?

Senator Byrd, I am hoping that thoughtful Americans like you can find the answer to this question. Even though it is already too late, we need to know.

Cathy Mayo is an American journalist :rolleyes: based in Pakistan

It sounds like the woman has mental health issues. Or was drunk

I mean, sane/sober women aren't known for baring their butts and taking a pee in public.

It sounds like the woman has mental health issues. Or was drunk

I mean, sane/sober women aren't known for baring their butts and taking a pee in public.
Read what Aryavartha posted.

She's not mental, nor was she drunk.

Stupid, quite certainly.

See, her problem was that she picked the wrong place and time and style of crazy. You don't act THAT crazy in a confine space, especially an airplane!

WHat an amateur! :rolleyes:

See, her problem was that she picked the wrong place and time and style of crazy. You don't act THAT crazy in a confine space, especially an airplane!

WHat an amateur! :rolleyes:
Well, a bar is a confined space, and if you have friends there to back you up, you can be as crazy as you like.

Just not on a plane, no matter what Samuel L. Jackson thinks.

Read what Aryavartha posted.

She's not mental, nor was she drunk.

Stupid, quite certainly.
What Aryavartha posted does not rule out having mental health issues. Someone who is bi-polar or schizophrenic often appears totally 'normal' when life is going well or are on their meds - but under stress or if they stop taking their pills, go right off the deep end.

Well, a bar is a confined space, and if you have friends there to back you up, you can be as crazy as you like.

Just not on a plane, no matter what Samuel L. Jackson thinks.

Exactly. People simply do not appreciate odd behavior when they fly. Especially lately. :p

You know, if a person is sufficiently dehydrated, and they held it long enough, they'd build up a bit of ammonia in their piss. Mix that with a bit of bleach from a bottle, and you've got some potent mustard gas precursors...

Cue mandatory pre-flight catheders

Cue mandatory pre-flight catheders
Lucky flight attendants.

Cue mandatory pre-flight catheders
That goes along with my idea of forcing everyone to strip naked, put on a paper hospital gown, and be shackled to the chair for the duration of the flight.

If we add an IV drip, we can tape their mouths shut with duct tape.

Oh, and blindfolds are good, too.

The future of air transport for civilian passengers:
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/jtkwon/guantanamo_transport_01.jpg

That goes along with my idea of forcing everyone to strip naked, put on a paper hospital gown, and be shackled to the chair for the duration of the flight.

If we add an IV drip, we can tape their mouths shut with duct tape.

Oh, and blindfolds are good, too.
Sedate all passengers and crew. Cept maybe the pilot.

Idiotic airport restrictions make us safe, they even managed to prevent a crazy lady with claustrophobia from getting on a plane with a half dozen banned items... oh wait...