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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4797631.stm

this woman just got 9 years for giving her 9 year old son heroin and cocaine. giving class As to kids is completely fucked up and she clearly doesn't deserve to have the kid, but is prison really an effective punishment for this crime? as soon as that woman cleans up she's going to feel like the shittiest human being alive anyway, and what she did seem to be the actions of someone out of their head. she needs some serious therapy and a lot of community service. prison isn't going to help anyone in this case imo.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4797631.stm

this woman just got 9 years for giving her 9 year old son heroin and cocaine. giving class As to kids is completely fucked up and she clearly doesn't deserve to have the kid, but is prison really an effective punishment for this crime? as soon as that woman cleans up she's going to feel like the shittiest human being alive anyway, and what she did seem to be the actions of someone out of their head. she needs some serious therapy and a lot of community service. prison isn't going to help anyone in this case imo.

Well if the court decided that she does not need to go to rehab or has any serious mental health problems, then it seems fair that she should go to prison.

Considering that a woman in the US recently got probation and no jail time for heating up a pair of scissors and cutting part of her son's tongue off, maybe this mother should get similar leniency.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4797631.stm

this woman just got 9 years for giving her 9 year old son heroin and cocaine. giving class As to kids is completely fucked up and she clearly doesn't deserve to have the kid, but is prison really an effective punishment for this crime? as soon as that woman cleans up she's going to feel like the shittiest human being alive anyway, and what she did seem to be the actions of someone out of their head. she needs some serious therapy and a lot of community service. prison isn't going to help anyone in this case imo.
If your prison system is anything like ours, she'll fairly quickly get moved to min security, and recieve extensive brain-washing.

Considering that a woman in the US recently got probation and no jail time for heating up a pair of scissors and cutting part of her son's tongue off, maybe this mother should get similar leniency.
But there were drugs involved. :rolleyes:

Whats the jail term for supplying drugs to anyone?

"My mum is my dealer!"

the woman is clearly off he rocker let the brai...er rehabilitation commence!

also I think having to live with what she did to her child is punishment enough I don’t think it really matters to her whither or not she’s in prison

Oh and no prisons system complete rehabilitation for all!

Considering that a woman in the US recently got probation and no jail time for heating up a pair of scissors and cutting part of her son's tongue off, maybe this mother should get similar leniency.

What the fuck?

Jail.

This type of child cruelty should be punished - I think the jail-time seems adequate too. Of course I would hope she got some treatment while she was i jail too, but that might be hoping too much.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4797631.stm

as soon as that woman cleans up she's going to feel like the shittiest human being alive anyway, and what she did seem to be the actions of someone out of their head. .


I dont think she should get a medal so she doesnt feel so bad is a good idea.

Screw her she made her choices and was willing to live with them there is no reason for her not to live with the repecussions of those choices.

You can make the arguement that if she wants to fuck herself up then it is her own choice. Giving it to her son is something else entirely. Spending a decade in prison seems right. Though how many people spend the whole term inside? She'll probably do maybe three years then get out on parole.

A decade seems a bit excessive. She should do about a year, but have her kid(s) taken away.

The important thing here, to me, is not her own well-being or the resolution of her personal problems (yes, she'll likely feel very shitty about herself, but that's probably a good thing if she intends to learn from the mistake), but the end of the problems for this kid who was screwed up by her. This sort of thing can't be let to slide.

She should be charged with endangering a minor, child abuse, and possetion of heavy narcotics. 9 years sounds about right. Makes me wonder if she had a past history too.

A decade seems a bit excessive. She should do about a year, but have her kid(s) taken away.


i think if the child was older, the sentence would have been shorter, but you are right it is a bit excessive.

i say 2 years with some "counseling" or comm. service afterwards. along with taking the kids away.....

Two interesting quotes from the article:

"Emma Kelly, 31, formerly of Eastbourne, in East Sussex, admitted the offences, which could have killed the child"
"Kelly admitted supplying the drugs between August 2002 and May 2005.
She also admitted two counts of cruelty to a child between August 2003 and January 2005."

This is a classic repeat offender. That automaticly should make the sentence more severe. This was no iolated problem that happened one time. It was a patter of consistant abusive and illegal behavior to a child over to course of more than 3 years!

Jail is right. What kind of addict would want to, seeing the pain it can cause them, risk getting their child hooked on it as well? It's not like he was going to pay her for it.

I think the sentence is a little long, but, yeah from what you're saying about multiple offences maybe she deserves it. At least if her sentence isn't shortened significantly, by the time she's out her son will be an adult and she can no longer try to gain back custody and cause him more damage.

She got 3 days in Prison for every 1 day that she abused the child. Sounds lenient to me.

If she wanted to drug her kid she should of just stayed with ritalin, or any of the many other "acceptable" mind altering substances.

Kid is 9 years old, she got a 9 year stay.

He'll be 18 when she gets out.

Means she can not in any way do anything to him ever again that will continue to destroy his childhood.

Seems fair.

This woman is guilty of so many crimes; child abuse, drug dealing, drug abuse, and potentially some sort of charge to do with causing bodily harm.

Nine years? Not nearly enough.