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Incontestible proof of the FSM

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Kazus
17-08-2006, 13:44
Jesus's face in the bark of a tree? Whatever:

http://chamorrobible.org/gpw/gpw-20060808-English.htm

BEHOLD.
Keruvalia
17-08-2006, 14:10
Hooray! May His noodly appendage touch this thread.
German Nightmare
17-08-2006, 14:14
Woah, that is perrty!
HC Eredivisie
17-08-2006, 16:38
And thus FSM showed himself to us via the C-17 Globemaster, take that Jesus.
Willamena
17-08-2006, 16:46
I'm convinced.
Jimusopolis
17-08-2006, 16:58
Arrr mateys.. I have been touched by his noodely appendage.

Ramen.
Megaloria
17-08-2006, 19:56
More like proof of Doctor Wily. Look at those eyebrows.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 19:56
More like proof of Doctor Wily. Look at those eyebrows.


Dr. Wily lives!
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 19:59
Very nice captured picture. And I like to thank Kazus for showing us this lovely picture.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:00
Very nice captured picture. And I like to thank Kazus for showing us this lovely picture.

Don't thank Kazus, thank the flying spaghetti monster!
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:03
Don't thank Kazus, thank the flying spaghetti monster!

Nope! I will not thankk him at all for this Flying Spaghetti Monster does not exist. It is a very nice picture and I like the verse above it.

“O give thanks unto the LORD; for He is good: for His mercy endureth for ever.” “To Him who alone doeth great wonders:
for His mercy endureth for ever.” Psalm 136:1, 4, KJV.
(All English Bible verses are from the King James Version, KJV, Bible translation.)

Also there is this underneath the picture: The United States Air Force C-17 Globemaster III Military Transport with the 14th Airlift Squadron located at Charleston Air Force Base in
South Carolina has flown away after releasing flares over the Atlantic Ocean. Smoke from the flare salvo reveals a crisp, dramatic, startling, and
beautiful visual of the turbulent air – including two vortices each with an "eye" – created by the C-17 Globemaster III as it flies through the air.
May 16, 2006, Over the Atlantic Ocean Near Charleston, State of South Carolina, USA

And do not forget to click on the links that are shown too.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:05
you dare deny the existance of the flying spaghetti monster?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:06
you dare deny the existance of the flying spaghetti monster?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Yes I do deny the existance of the flying spaghetti monster.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:07
you dare deny the existance of the flying spaghetti monster?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

The flying spaghetti monster was invented by evil dictators so they could control the west. It is nothing more then a bunch of supersticions, an opiate of the masses :p
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:07
Yes I do deny the existance of the flying spaghetti monster.


:eek:

blasphemer!
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:07
The flying spaghetti monster was invented by evil dictators so they could control the west. It is nothing more then a bunch of supersticions, an opiate of the masses :p


lies! all lies! :p
Andaluciae
17-08-2006, 20:07
I once went around my house looking for things I could sell on ebay as 'images of God' or something like that. The most obvious one was a pattern in the wood on my closet door. It looks like a dude with a beard in suffering.

I also discovered that the funny glass around my front door had the word 'Jews' in it in the funny little veins of kind of milky glass.

Oh, um, there's a virgin Mary stain in the carpet in my basement. I believe it came from the famed 'Dr. Pepper Disaster'.
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:09
:eek:

blasphemer!

:rolleyes:
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:11
:rolleyes:


j/k :cool:
Armistria
17-08-2006, 20:12
FSM? Oh you mean his holiness the Flying Spaghetti Monster...

I'm not convinced that that's his best angle...
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:13
FSM? Oh you mean his holiness the Flying Spaghetti Monster...

I'm not convinced that that's his best angle...


yeah, but its tough to get a great picture of thy Spaghetti lord. He moves with great haste.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:14
lies! all lies! :p

Hah! Flying pasta monster (his son), was not even crucified on the plate. He really married meatballs and children with her.

Evidence is clearly shown in the picture drawn by Leonardo Dicaprio :D
Turquoise Days
17-08-2006, 20:15
Theological question here: Is cooking spaghetti an act of holy devotion, or blasphemy?
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:16
Hah! Flying pasta monster (his son), was not even crucified on the plate. He really married meatballs and children with her.

Evidence is clearly shown in the picture drawn by Leonardo Dicaprio :D


there is so much mystery behind all of this.....

*wonders when The DaVinci Code: FSM Edition will be comoing out*
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:16
Theological question here: Is cooking spaghetti an act of holy devotion, or blasphemy?

Neither actually as this is not even real.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:17
Theological question here: Is cooking spaghetti an act of holy devotion, or blasphemy?


well you eat "the body of christ" right? would eating spaghetti be any different?
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:18
Neither actually as this is not even real.


you just need to believe....
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:18
...Ramen. :)
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:19
...Ramen. :)


...Ramen is the pasta of the gods.
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:19
you just need to believe....

I believe in the one true God. Not this crap.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:19
Neither actually as this is not even real.

Leonardo DaVinci (http://www.venganza.org/images/wallpapers/Last-Supper.jpg) believed. *nod*
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:19
I believe in the one true God. Not this crap.


you can believe in more than just one.....
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:20
Leonardo DaVinci (http://www.venganza.org/images/wallpapers/Last-Supper.jpg) believed. *nod*


see it is all true....
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:21
you can believe in more than just one.....

Sorry but no for if I believe in more than One God then I would be guilty of having false gods. No thanks. I will stick with the One true God and His Son Jesus.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:21
Leonardo DaVinci (http://www.venganza.org/images/wallpapers/Last-Supper.jpg) believed. *nod*

That is one of the best things i have ever seen!
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:22
Sorry but no for if I believe in more than One God then I would be guilty of having false gods. No thanks. I will stick with the One true God and His Son Jesus.


ah ha thats two!
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:22
Sorry but no for if I believe in more than One God then I would be guilty of having false gods. No thanks. I will stick with the One true God and His Son Jesus.

Weakling.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:22
That is one of the best things i have ever seen!


definitely wins the award for pic of the day.....
Megaloria
17-08-2006, 20:23
Sorry but no for if I believe in more than One God then I would be guilty of having false gods. No thanks. I will stick with the One true God and His Son Jesus.

My god can transform. What about yours?
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:23
ah ha thats two!

Actually it is not for it is written in John 3:16 For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son to die for us for whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:23
Weakling.


agreed. failure to broaden your horizons is a failure to be truly alive.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:24
Actually it is not for it is written in John 3:16 For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son to die for us for whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

how does that prove your point, believe in god and jesus = 2
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:25
My god can transform. What about yours?


i heard something about walking on a puddle...i wasnt too impressed.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:25
how does that prove your point, believe in god and jesus = 2

Word on the street is, he believes in this other dude called the holy spirit! That makes 3 :eek:
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:25
how does that prove your point, believe in god and jesus = 2

I believe in God and his Son Jesus Christ the Messiah. That is not two.
Turquoise Days
17-08-2006, 20:26
well you eat "the body of christ" right? would eating spaghetti be any different?
not me... >.>


eh, as pasta is so delicious, I decide that He must have created it for eating.

...and using to create little pictures
Megaloria
17-08-2006, 20:26
i heard something about walking on a puddle...i wasnt too impressed.

Yeah. The Chaos Bringer would just eat the puddle, and whatever measly dirt ball it was on.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:26
Word on the street is, he believes in this other dude called the holy spirit! That makes 3 :eek:


3!!!! so christians ARE pagans......

How does one believe in 3, but not the incredible FSM?
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:27
not me... >.>


eh, as pasta is so delicious, I decide that He must have created it for eating.

...and using to create little pictures

and macaroni art!
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:28
Yeah. The Chaos Bringer would just eat the puddle, and whatever measly dirt ball it was on.


yeah. i hear jesus can throw a bitchin party, turnin water into wine and all....
Kecibukia
17-08-2006, 20:29
yeah. i hear jesus can throw a bitchin party, turnin water into wine and all....

But then he tends to hang around and get cross.







(had to say it) *waits for the flames*
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 20:29
3!!!! so christians ARE pagans......

How does one believe in 3, but not the incredible FSM?
Faith is funny that way. For example, people seem to actively deny the existence of his noodliness.

Besides, you people are worshipping lesser deities. I'll stay with the Invisible Pink Unicorn, thank You. Blessed be her holy hooves!
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:29
yeah. i hear jesus can throw a bitchin party, turnin water into wine and all....

Meh FSM turned water into spaghetti!

(wait a second wasn't I just spamming against FSM, ah well it's all spam anyways... CONSIDER ME CONVERTED!)
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:30
3!!!! so christians ARE pagans......

How does one believe in 3, but not the incredible FSM?

Yes. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

It's kind of like belief in the Hindu Trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.

But with less body parts. *nod*
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:30
yeah. i hear jesus can throw a bitchin party, turnin water into wine and all....

I wanna bring down this silliness for a second and point out that one of Jesus' miracles was TURNING WATER TO WINE. What godly purpose does that serve? Does Jesus want everyone drunk? It's got "cheap parlor trick" written all over it.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:30
other famous artists have had their share at protraying the holiest FSM.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/shaunabobb/Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage-720.jpg
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:31
3!!!! so christians ARE pagans......

:rolleyes:
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:31
I wanna bring down this silliness for a second and point out that one of Jesus' miracles was TURNING WATER TO WINE. What godly purpose does that serve? Does Jesus want everyone drunk? It's got "cheap parlor trick" written all over it.


is it wrong to have a savior who likes to throw a bitchin party?
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:31
other famous artists have had their share at protraying the holiest FSM.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/shaunabobb/Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage-720.jpg

Lmao! Thats on par with Lunatic Goofballs pic!
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 20:32
I wanna bring down this silliness for a second and point out that one of Jesus' miracles was TURNING WATER TO WINE. What godly purpose does that serve? Does Jesus want everyone drunk? It's got "cheap parlor trick" written all over it.
yeah! We NEED water to brew beer. What was Jesus thinking?
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:32
:rolleyes:

see? no response.



only proves we are correct....
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:32
is it wrong to have a savior who likes to throw a bitchin party?

You'd think he would be a bit too busy to get drunk what with saving the souls of all mankind.
Megaloria
17-08-2006, 20:32
Lmao! Thats on par with Lunatic Goofballs pic!

Looks to me like they may be some sort of delicious beholderkin.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:33
other famous artists have had their share at protraying the holiest FSM.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e85/shaunabobb/Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage-720.jpg

I considered that one, but I decided against it because of the tiny little artistic wee-wee.
Turquoise Days
17-08-2006, 20:33
Yes. The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit.

It's kind of like belief in the Hindu Trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.

But with less body parts. *nod*
Hmm, which trinity would win?

My vote is for the Hindus, unless they all drink the Holy Spirit, and get arrested for being rascally drunk.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:33
Lmao! Thats on par with Lunatic Goofballs pic!

:D :cool:

there are signs everywhere, one just needs to open their eyes....
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:33
see? no response.



only proves we are correct....

*snorts*

At least my head is not on the chopping block with this kind of talk.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:34
You'd think he would be a bit too busy to get drunk what with saving the souls of all mankind.


why cant he do both at once? save the souls of some, and get a bunch of others wasted...sounds like a cool guy to me....
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:34
*snorts*

At least my head is not on the chopping block with this kind of talk.



this kind of talk?
The Squeaky Rat
17-08-2006, 20:34
Sorry but no for if I believe in more than One God then I would be guilty of having false gods. No thanks. I will stick with the One true God and His Son Jesus.

Which particular version of Him ? There are thousands of versions of Christianity after all, not to mention related religions like Islam and Judaism or unrelated religions like Hinduism. And of course, the mighty FSM.

What makes your God more real than theirs ?
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:35
Hmm, which trinity would win?

My vote is for the Hindus, unless they all drink the Holy Spirit, and get arrested for being rascally drunk.


i think buddah would sneak in towards the end and kick all their asses.


he's crafty like that.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:35
why cant he do both at once? save the souls of some, and get a bunch of others wasted...sounds like a cool guy to me....

Because while he was partying and drinking and keeping everyone hammered, people were probably dying and being killed and diseased, no less than a mile away from where he was.
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:35
this kind of talk?

Believing in a false diety.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:36
Which particular version of Him ? There are thousands of versions of Christianity after all, not to mention related religions like Islam and Judaism or unrelated religions like Hinduism. And of course, the mighty FSM.

What makes your God more real than theirs ?


exactly, its not about what you have faith in, its about having faith in general....
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:36
Believing in a false diety.


free will....its a bitch right?
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:36
Believing in a false diety.

*takes of spam hat*

it's called spam.
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 20:37
Believing in a false diety.
Proove your diety is the true one without using any quote from the bible. In the meantime, I'll be wearing my pirate outfit...
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:37
Because while he was partying and drinking and keeping everyone hammered, people were probably dying and being killed and diseased, no less than a mile away from where he was.


they probably had it coming, i mean he was crucified by the very people he came to enlighten....
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:37
Which particular version of Him ? There are thousands of versions of Christianity after all, not to mention related religions like Islam and Judaism or unrelated religions like Hinduism. And of course, the mighty FSM.

What makes your God more real than theirs ?

Well Judiasm has rejected the Messiah who has already came to earth so that one is out. Muslims do not recognize Jesus as the son of God either so that one is out to.

I am a born again Christian who believes that the Lord Savior Jesus died on the cross for my sins.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:37
Believing in a false diety.

Most people in the world do.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:38
they probably had it coming, i mean he was crucified by the very people he came to enlighten....

He wanted it to happen - and whoever died while he was partying certainly weren't the ones that crucified him, because they were dead. If anything I think they had the hugest reason to do it because he was slacking off on the savior deal to partake of the beer goggles.
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 20:38
they probably had it coming, i mean he was crucified by the very people he came to enlighten....
Yeah, but he was lucky. It was merely crucifiction. He got off easy.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:38
*takes of spam hat*

it's called spam.

is that my spam hat?

sorry i dont mean to point fingers, i just lost mine....
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:38
free will....its a bitch right?

If you want to burn in hell, that is your perogative.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:39
He wanted it to happen - and whoever died while he was partying certainly weren't the ones that crucified him, because they were dead. If anything I think they had the hugest reason to do it because he was slacking off on the savior deal to partake of the beer goggles.


well thats what happens when you give a hippie that kind of responsibility...
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:39
Well Judiasm has rejected the Messiah who has already came to earth so that one is out. Muslims do not recognize Jesus as the son of God either so that one is out to.

I am a born again Christian who believes that the Lord Savior Jesus died on the cross for my sins.

I'm a christian too, and I believe that Jesus probably has a FSM bumpersticker on His car. :)
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:40
Just wanna note that Alleghany hasn't responded to any of my questions.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:40
If you want to burn in hell, that is your perogative.


ah the old burn in hell gimmick....the fallback comment when religous people have nothing intelligent to say....
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:40
I'm a christian too, and I believe that Jesus probably has a FSM bumpersticker on His car. :)

:rolleyes:

Then I suggest you get on your knees and pray for forgiveness for even trying to say that this FSM is real.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:41
I'm a christian too, and I believe that Jesus probably has a FSM bumpersticker on His car. :)

Jesus drives a station wagon with a hemmy engine so huge it sticks out of the hood.

He's funny.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:41
Just wanna note that Alleghany hasn't responded to any of my questions.

of course he wont....he'll just say youre wrong and not give any reasons (from his/her own head at least)


nuns are worse...
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:42
:rolleyes:

Then I suggest you get on your knees and pray for forgiveness for even trying to say that this FSM is real.


i also believe that god has a sense of humor, just look at the platypus...

and if he cant take a joke, then what good is he?

even satan has a sense of humor...
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:42
ah the old burn in hell gimmick....the fallback comment when religous people have nothing intelligent to say....

You can bash my religion all you want. That is your right but as I have told others on here in various other threads, it is not proper to bash other people's beliefs.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:42
:rolleyes:

Then I suggest you get on your knees and pray for forgiveness for even trying to say that this FSM is real.

And I think you should get on your knees and pray for forgiveness for not using the intelligence that god has blessed you with, rejecting his gift, having no sense of humor, and while your at it you should pray in advance for creating an awkward situation when you get to heaven and Jesus is making FSM jokes.
Kecibukia
17-08-2006, 20:42
You can bash my religion all you want. That is your right but as I have told others on here in various other threads, it is not proper to bash other people's beliefs.

Then why are you bashing FSM'ism?
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:43
You can bash my religion all you want. That is your right but as I have told others on here in various other threads, it is not proper to bash other people's beliefs.


im not bashing the religion, i just bash the people who abuse its purpose...religion started off as a good idea, but now its just a reason to scare people into thinking with a one track mind.
Megaloria
17-08-2006, 20:43
Hey, I've probably got the most depressing religion here. I expect the entire multiverse to be eventually devoured.

Then again, the transforming robot part is cool.
The Squeaky Rat
17-08-2006, 20:43
Well Judiasm has rejected the Messiah who has already came to earth so that one is out. Muslims do not recognize Jesus as the son of God either so that one is out to.

I am a born again Christian who believes that the Lord Savior Jesus died on the cross for my sins.

And what makes your beliefs more right than those of others ?
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:43
Just wanna note that Alleghany hasn't responded to any of my questions.

Since when do I have to answer everyone's questions?
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:43
You can bash my religion all you want. That is your right but as I have told others on here in various other threads, it is not proper to bash other people's beliefs.

You started it by calling FSM a false deity. =P
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:43
Then why are you bashing FSM'ism?


dont you know? all religious fanatics are hypocrites...it comes with the job.
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 20:43
If you want to burn in hell, that is your perogative.

I'm not saying your belief is wrong or anything, but how will you explain yourself if when you die you wander up to the pearly gates and someone other than Jesus is sat there?

You just seem to be putting all your eggs in one basket is all I'm saying.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:44
Since when do I have to answer everyone's questions?

see i told you......:D


you are losing this battle and wont admit it.
Kecibukia
17-08-2006, 20:44
Since when do I have to answer everyone's questions?

When you're called on to supply proof to you supposition of "one true" in contrast to others.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:44
Since when do I have to answer everyone's questions?

Since my questions are the ones that pertain to your belief, so instead of trying to enlighten me and possibly yourself by paying attention to them, you insist on spitting nonsense to those who are just joking around.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:44
i also believe that god has a sense of humor, just look at the platypus

lol! Thats worthy to be sigged, (with your permission of course)
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:44
Jesus drives a station wagon with a hemmy engine so huge it sticks out of the hood.

He's funny.

I've already mentioned this some months ago...

Jesus rides a Segway. *nod*
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:44
Hey, I've probably got the most depressing religion here. I expect the entire multiverse to be eventually devoured.

Then again, the transforming robot part is cool.


every religion has its own version on the end of the world...

and transforming robots kick ass!
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:45
Then why are you bashing FSM'ism?

Actually I am not. I pointed out what was said from the website. There are even links to how the clouds were formed. Science is a wonderful tool.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:45
lol! Thats worthy to be sigged, (with your permission of course)

do it! :D
The Squeaky Rat
17-08-2006, 20:46
Actually I am not. I pointed out what was said from the website. There are even links to how the clouds were formed. Science is a wonderful tool.

Is it still a wonderful tool if it contradicts what your own religion states as dogma ?
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:46
And what makes your beliefs more right than those of others ?

Because of prophecy. Prophecy that was written in the Torah, the Jewish Bible.
Kecibukia
17-08-2006, 20:46
Actually I am not. I pointed out what was said from the website. There are even links to how the clouds were formed. Science is a wonderful tool.

Yes you are.

I believe in the one true God. Not this crap.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:46
Actually I am not. I pointed out what was said from the website. There are even links to how the clouds were formed. Science is a wonderful tool.


yes you are. you called him a false diety.

thats bashing if ive ever heard it.

people can believe in a block of cheese if they want to, and we have no right to tell them otherwise...
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:47
:rolleyes:

Then I suggest you get on your knees and pray for forgiveness for even trying to say that this FSM is real.

I don't know what Jesus you worship, but MY Jesus isn't quite that uptight. Maybe you should ask yourself why you worship such a petty being.
The Squeaky Rat
17-08-2006, 20:47
Because of prophecy. Prophecy that was written in the Torah, the Jewish Bible.

Jesus did not qualify as Messiah conform those predictions.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:47
Actually I am not. I pointed out what was said from the website. There are even links to how the clouds were formed. Science is a wonderful tool.

It's wonderful when it makes pretty pictures that resemble Jesus, but it's bad when it also digs up proof against the bible in the form of large animal bones from a million-ish years ago.
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 20:47
If you want to burn in hell, that is your perogative.
That's it? So I should follow christianity on the off-chance that they're right so I don't burn in hell? That's your main argument?

In that case, I do hope you follow every other religious tennets of other religion on the off-chance that THEY were right. Otherwise, there's a thousands different hells (chinese) waiting for you if you don't reincarante as a frog. And let's not even get into your troubles if your heart weights more that the Ma'at feather...
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:47
I'm not saying your belief is wrong or anything, but how will you explain yourself if when you die you wander up to the pearly gates and someone other than Jesus is sat there?

You just seem to be putting all your eggs in one basket is all I'm saying.

Actually, Peter is at the Pearly Gates.
Megaloria
17-08-2006, 20:48
every religion has its own version on the end of the world...

and transforming robots kick ass!

I'd ask you if you'd like to convert, but it doesn't especially matter. Unicron persists regardless of worship, and the Matrix of Leadership endures as well. Pretty lazy theology, but hey, I like it.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:48
I don't know what Jesus you worship, but MY Jesus isn't quite that uptight. Maybe you should ask yourself why you worship such a petty being.


maybe its hitler jesus!


:eek:
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 20:48
Actually, Peter is at the Pearly Gates.

Details, pfft. You know what I meant.
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:48
Since my questions are the ones that pertain to your belief, so instead of trying to enlighten me and possibly yourself by paying attention to them, you insist on spitting nonsense to those who are just joking around.

Judging by some posters here, I do not believe they are joking at all.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:50
Actually, Peter is at the Pearly Gates.

Why does Heaven have gates?

"What community is Heaven in? 'Yeah, we had to put up a fence. Kids from other neighborhoods kept using the pool. We even had to dig up a contractor from hell to get it done."
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:50
That's it? So I should follow christianity on the off-chance that they're right so I don't burn in hell? That's your main argument?

In that case, I do hope you follow every other religious tennets of other religion on the off-chance that THEY were right. Otherwise, there's a thousands different hells (chinese) waiting for you if you don't reincarante as a frog. And let's not even get into your troubles if your heart weights more that the Ma'at feather...


any religious person always throws out the burn in hell statement, because they are simple minded, and if told anything other than what some child molestor on an altar tells them, they panic and use that line....
Turquoise Days
17-08-2006, 20:50
I don't know what Jesus you worship, but MY Jesus isn't quite that uptight. Maybe you should ask yourself why you worship such a petty being.
Jesus taught me maths. *nod*
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:50
do it! :D

Done!
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:50
Why does Heaven have gates?

"What community is Heaven in? 'Yeah, we had to put up a fence. Kids from other neighborhoods kept using the pool. We even had to dig up a contractor from hell to get it done."


its like a country club, no blacks, asians, or jews.
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:51
Is it still a wonderful tool if it contradicts what your own religion states as dogma ?

Since Science has not yet contradicted my religion...yes.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:51
Judging by some posters here, I do not believe they are joking at all.

Okay. So they're not joking. Prove them wrong and answer my questions.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:51
Jesus taught me maths. *nod*


he also taught me that chillin with hookers, can be a good thing.
Megaloria
17-08-2006, 20:51
Jesus taught me maths. *nod*

5+2 / 5000+ = Enough?
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:51
its like a country club, no blacks, asians, or jews.

So where does Jesus live :eek: :p
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:51
Since Science has not yet contradicted my religion...yes.

Again, you ignored another one of my posts.

One word: DINOSAUR.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:52
Okay. So they're not joking. Prove them wrong and answer my questions.

you're beating a dead horse. he wont answer them, because he has no answers to them...
The Squeaky Rat
17-08-2006, 20:52
Since Science has not yet contradicted my religion...yes.

Fair enough :)
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:52
Yes you are.

I also think that Muslims do not hold the truth either. I do not believe in the 12th Emam either. Is that bashing their religion when I say, I do not believe that crap?

Short answer is no.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:52
you're beating a dead horse. he wont answer them, because he has no answers to them...

I know it, but I'm seeing how long till he cracks and calls me an antichrist that's going to hell. I've seen it happen, it's very entertaining.
Turquoise Days
17-08-2006, 20:52
5+2 / 5000+ = Enough?
A-level mechanics, actually. =P
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:52
So where does Jesus live :eek: :p

oh hes got his own villa somewheres, he got kicked out of heaven after that bitchin kegger they held....got into a fist fight with ghandi i heard...
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:53
I know it, but I'm seeing how long till he cracks and calls me an antichrist that's going to hell. I've seen it happen, it's very entertaining.

its funnier when a nun or a priest tells it to you.
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:53
I don't know what Jesus you worship, but MY Jesus isn't quite that uptight. Maybe you should ask yourself why you worship such a petty being.

You know what the Bible says about attacking other Christians?
Kecibukia
17-08-2006, 20:53
I also think that Muslims do not hold the truth either. I do not believe in the 12th Emam either. Is that bashing their religion when I say, I do not believe that crap?

Short answer is no.

Real answer is yes.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:53
I also think that Muslims do not hold the truth either. I do not believe in the 12th Emam either. Is that bashing their religion when I say, I do not believe that crap?

Short answer is no.

If you said "I don't believe it", then no it wouldn't be.

You called it crap, though, and that's bashing.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:54
I also think that Muslims do not hold the truth either. I do not believe in the 12th Emam either. Is that bashing their religion when I say, I do not believe that crap?

Short answer is no.

listen to yourself, you just called it crap

so the answer is yes. :rolleyes:

wow i've dealt with hypocrites before, but you take the cake.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:54
You know what the Bible says about attacking other Christians?

That it's okay if you call them a witch before you do it?
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:54
Jesus did not qualify as Messiah conform those predictions.

Actually..he does.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:54
You know what the Bible says about attacking other Christians?

Exactly. :)
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:55
why are born agains more annoying and simple minded????
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:55
Actually..he does.

And what about the criteria of not being lazy and drinking while people are starving and dying all around him?
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 20:55
I also think that Muslims do not hold the truth either. I do not believe in the 12th Emam either. Is that bashing their religion when I say, I do not believe that crap?

Short answer is no.
the bolded part is where you are bashing their religion.

so, short answer: yes.
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 20:56
oh hes got his own villa somewheres, he got kicked out of heaven after that bitchin kegger they held....got into a fist fight with ghandi i heard...

Ghandi won't be in heaven, he didn't believe in mary, joseph and the little baby jesus and Alleghany County's god is a vengeful one *nods*
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 20:56
why are born agains more annoying and simple minded????

Desperation. *nod*
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:56
if jeebus knew what his religion turned into...he'd be upside down on his cross right now.....
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 20:56
oh hes got his own villa somewheres, he got kicked out of heaven after that bitchin kegger they held....got into a fist fight with ghandi i heard...

I bet it's some sort of hippy paradise! Where water taps are an infinate supply of wine!
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:57
why are born agains more annoying and simple minded????

Well the birth process means your entire mental system starts over, and the baptism makes water flush into your ears and brain, which makes it hard to learn anything. So essentially you go from being a 20-yr-old person, to a newborn baby bornagain christian with a severe learning disability.
The Squeaky Rat
17-08-2006, 20:57
Actually..he does.

No, he doesn't. He is not a decendant of David and therefor cannot be the messiah.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:57
Ghandi won't be in heaven, he didn't believe in mary, joseph and the little baby jesus and Alleghany County's god is a vengeful one *nods*

yeah, but jesus and ghandi were drinkin buddies. so he kinda snuck him in

(another reason why he was kicked out)
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:58
Well the birth process means your entire mental system starts over, and the baptism makes water flush into your ears and brain, which makes it hard to learn anything. So essentially you go from being a 20-yr-old person, to a newborn baby bornagain christian with a severe learning disability.


ah. that makes more sense.


see the FSM wouldnt put up with that.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:58
I think he's given up!

We've cracked another Christian, fellows! Huzzah! Victory for the almighty noodle!
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 20:58
Desperation. *nod*



ah yes how could i forget....
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 20:59
Okay. So they're not joking. Prove them wrong and answer my questions.

I could answer your questions all day if I had the time but you will still be asking the same questions over and over again.
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 20:59
No, he doesn't. He is a decendant of David and therefor cannot be the messiah.
Mary was a descendant of David?

I know Joseph was, but as he had nothing to do with the conception of Jesus, so I am compelled to ask.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 20:59
I could answer your questions all day if I had the time but you will still be asking the same questions over and over again.

No, not really. Not if you actually answered them.
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 21:00
I could answer your questions all day if I had the time but you will still be asking the same questions over and over again.

Not if you provided answers that made logical sense.
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 21:00
you're beating a dead horse. he wont answer them, because he has no answers to them...

No I just pick and choose my fights.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 21:00
Well the birth process means your entire mental system starts over, and the baptism makes water flush into your ears and brain, which makes it hard to learn anything. So essentially you go from being a 20-yr-old person, to a newborn baby bornagain christian with a severe learning disability.

*takes of Minoriteeburgs spam hat*

And thats not bashing a religion....how?
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 21:01
Mary was a descendant of David?

I know Joseph was, but as he had nothing to do with the conception of Jesus, so I am compelled to ask.

That kinda relys on the fairly unlikely 'divine insemination' idea. It's much more likely that mary and joseph were getting jiggy before they got married.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:01
No I just pick and choose my fights.

Ah yes, the fights you lose, you don't fight at all. That way you can keep your faith intact while not realizing the holes.

If you duck and cover, the nuke doesn't kill you.
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 21:01
Again, you ignored another one of my posts.

One word: DINOSAUR.

And yet that does not disprove anything about Christianity whatsoever since no one really knows anything about how they became extinct?
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:01
*takes of Minoriteeburgs spam hat*

And thats not bashing a religion....how?

Oh I never said I didn't bash religion. In fact, I revel in it.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 21:02
Oh I never said I didn't bash religion. In fact, I revel in it.

So why are you bashing him for bashing a religion designed to take the piss out of other religions?
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:02
And yet that does not disprove anything about Christianity whatsoever since no one really knows anything about how they became extinct?

The fact that they were even existing so long ago means the earth is older than what the bible tells you, hence, disproving what the bible says. If it's wrong once, it can't be the concrete word of god.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 21:02
And yet that does not disprove anything about Christianity whatsoever since no one really knows anything about how they became extinct?

It isn't the How that is at odds with the Bible. It's the when.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:03
So why are you bashing him for bashing a religion designed to take the piss out of other religions?

Because he just got done with his "holier than thou" trip saying he doesn't bash religions when he so obviously does.

He's a hipocrite. That's why I pointed it out.
Alleghany County
17-08-2006, 21:03
its funnier when a nun or a priest tells it to you.

I am not catholic :p
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 21:03
That kinda relys on the fairly unlikely 'divine insemination' idea. It's much more likely that mary and joseph were getting jiggy before they got married.
yes, yes. Logic makes us tend to believe that we evolved from a single common ancestor and not some divine being who made the world in seven days too.

I am asking if Mary was a descendant of David because of the prophecies mentionned. If we are to look at it under the auspice of prophecy, we have to assume that god can send an angel to get jiggy with Mary.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:04
I am not catholic :p

Then I'm sorry but you're going to hell.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 21:04
Because he just got done with his "holier than thou" trip saying he doesn't bash religions when he so obviously does.

He's a hipocrite. That's why I pointed it out.

Oh, in that case... carry on.

*puts on minoriteeburgs spam hat*
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:05
Oh, in that case... carry on.

*puts on minoriteeburgs spam hat*

Right-o.
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 21:07
yes, yes. Logic makes us tend to believe that we evolved from a single common ancestor and not some divine being who made the world in seven days too.

I am asking if Mary was a descendant of David because of the prophecies mentionned. If we are to look at it under the auspice of prophecy, we have to assume that god can send an angel to get jiggy with Mary.

Ahh, I was thinking more along the line of interpretation of the prophecies, i.e. what the Jewish head honchos would have believed at the time. They believed that Jesus was of the line of david, a no-no for the messiah afaik, because they didn't believe he was born of immaculate conception.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:08
I think we really did it this time.

Let's recap on this glorious victory of the noodle:

"I don't bash religions."
"Yes you do. Here, you did it with these words[]"
"I'm going to ignore that."

"Jesus let people die while he drank wine."
"I'm going to ignore that."
"But why?"
"I pick and choose my battles."
"... So you're going to just ignore it?"
"I'm going to ignore that."

"Jesus didn't fit the criteria of being the savior."
"Yes he did."
"No, he didn't - here's why []"
"I'm going to ignore that."


Ignorance. Literally, ignore-ance. Good lord I love cracking a Christian. They've got such nutty fruits inside.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 21:13
I think we really did it this time.

Let's recap on this glorious victory of the noodle:

"I don't bash religions."
"Yes you do. Here, you did it with these words[]"
"I'm going to ignore that."

"Jesus let people die while he drank wine."
"I'm going to ignore that."
"But why?"
"I pick and choose my battles."
"... So you're going to just ignore it?"
"I'm going to ignore that."

"Jesus didn't fit the criteria of being the savior."
"Yes he did."
"No, he didn't - here's why []"
"I'm going to ignore that."


Ignorance. Literally, ignore-ance. Good lord I love cracking a Christian. They've got such nutty fruits inside.

Hey i'm not even a christian and i could still answer back to all of those.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:14
Hey i'm not even a christian and i could still answer back to all of those.

Exactly - you could, and you'd make the effort to do so, but he didn't and won't, because he's afraid of shaking his little faith bubble because it's so delicate and frail.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 21:17
Exactly - you could, and you'd make the effort to do so, but he didn't and won't, because he's afraid of shaking his little faith bubble because it's so delicate and frail.

I think his sort of attitude is what makes Christianity unpopular with lots of people. There are many christians who could easily debate intelligently but don't as they are either too busy, shy or don't want to or think he should bother forcing his beliefs on you. Too bad they are being over run by loud mother fundamentalists.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:19
I think his sort of attitude is what makes Christianity unpopular with lots of people. There are many christians who could easily debate intelligently but don't as they are either too busy, shy or doesn't want or think he should bother forcing his beliefs on you. Too bad they are being over run by loud mother fundamentalists.

He's not shy, busy, or afraid of forcing his beliefs on anyone. He's just afraid of being proven wrong in a belief of his that he thinks can never be proven wrong. Christians like him are exactly why a lot of people have a bad view of the religion. Christians like him and Jerry Falwell, that is.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 21:22
He's not shy, busy, or afraid of forcing his beliefs on anyone. He's just afraid of being proven wrong in a belief of his that he thinks can never be proven wrong. Christians like him are exactly why a lot of people have a bad view of the religion. Christians like him and Jerry Falwell, that is.

Yeah thats what i mean. He doesn't because he can't, others could but don't partake in debate at all. Thats why he is ruining the image of his religion.
Lunatic Goofballs
17-08-2006, 21:23
Of course, as a good christian, I have to point out that Jesus has one thing no other god, prophet, messiah or savior can ever hope to have:


Jesus Pan! (http://www.jesuspan.com/) :D
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 21:28
Of course, as a good christian, I have to point out that Jesus has one thing no other god, prophet, messiah or savior can ever hope to have:


Jesus Pan! (http://www.jesuspan.com/) :D

Mmmm, devour the face of your Saviour.

I swear all christians are cannibles, first that eat of my body drink of my blood thing at services, and now this, tasty snacks in the shape of a man.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:28
Of course, as a good christian, I have to point out that Jesus has one thing no other god, prophet, messiah or savior can ever hope to have:


Jesus Pan! (http://www.jesuspan.com/) :D

Praise Jesus Pan!
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 21:29
Mmmm, devour the face of your Saviour.

I swear all christians are cannibles, first that eat of my body drink of my blood thing at services, and now this, tasty snacks in the shape of a man.
We are MOST DEFINETELY NOT cannibals. Jesus is a god, not a human. :p
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:30
We are MOST DEFINETELY NOT cannibals. Jesus is a god, not a human. :p

So in a way, it's similar to the cannibals from Dead Man's Chest - let's eat Jesus so he'll be able to escape his body and ascend!
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 21:34
No I just pick and choose my fights.

again you dont make any sense

you choose to argue against us, yet you just choose to have nothing to use to back up your argument.



sounds cowardly to me...
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 21:35
I am not catholic :p


or a minister or whatever, you get my point nonetheless.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:36
again you dont make any sense

you choose to argue against us, yet you just choose to have nothing to use to back up your argument.



sounds cowardly to me...

Pretty much sums it up. He's a coward, a hipocrite, a false christian and a horrible human being.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 21:37
I think we really did it this time.

Let's recap on this glorious victory of the noodle:

"I don't bash religions."
"Yes you do. Here, you did it with these words[]"
"I'm going to ignore that."

"Jesus let people die while he drank wine."
"I'm going to ignore that."
"But why?"
"I pick and choose my battles."
"... So you're going to just ignore it?"
"I'm going to ignore that."

"Jesus didn't fit the criteria of being the savior."
"Yes he did."
"No, he didn't - here's why []"
"I'm going to ignore that."


Ignorance. Literally, ignore-ance. Good lord I love cracking a Christian. They've got such nutty fruits inside.


yeah they are. i think god likes doing the same.

i swear gods just sitting back somewhere on a couch and laughing at all of us.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 21:37
Pretty much sums it up. He's a coward, a hipocrite, a false christian and a horrible human being.


i agree with all but the last, dont know em well enough to use that one....
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 21:38
We are MOST DEFINETELY NOT cannibals. Jesus is a god, not a human. :p

Oh, so you only eat gods? You Christians are a fussy bunch, I'd hate to have you round for dinner ;)
Sheni
17-08-2006, 21:39
Ahh, I was thinking more along the line of interpretation of the prophecies, i.e. what the Jewish head honchos would have believed at the time. They believed that Jesus was of the line of david, a no-no for the messiah afaik, because they didn't believe he was born of immaculate conception.
Wrong way around.
Their argument goes like this:
Christian theology says that Jesus did not have a father in the conventional sense.
Jewish (and therefore also Christian) theology says that the messiah has to come from the line of David.
Mary wasn't descended from David, and God wasn't descended from David. If neither of his parents was descended from David, then he can't possibly the messiah.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:40
i agree with all but the last, dont know em well enough to use that one....

I say he's a horrible human being because there are enough of his kind to significantly hinder the world socially, scientifically and politically. It's a horrible effect given from a horrible person.
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 21:40
Oh, so you only eat gods? You Christians are a fussy bunch, I'd hate to have you round for dinner ;)
we don't eat only gods. But gods do taste yummy. What's more, they are usually infinte so there's no chance of running our of food.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 21:40
We are MOST DEFINETELY NOT cannibals. Jesus is a god, not a human. :p


he sure died like a human though.
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 21:41
I say he's a horrible human being because there are enough of his kind to significantly hinder the world socially, scientifically and politically. It's a horrible effect given from a horrible person.


ah, i do see your point. So i agree with all your points then :D
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 21:41
i bet this guy thinks catholics arent christian too...


i friggin hate people who say that....
East Canuck
17-08-2006, 21:41
he sure died like a human though.
you mean his three day coma while he was sleeping off all that wine?
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 21:43
you mean his three day coma while he was sleeping off all that wine?


jesus was always a lightweight when it came to the drinkin anyways....
Londim
17-08-2006, 21:45
This when a time machine woukld come in handy. We could replace the wine with vodka:D
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 21:46
http://jesuspolitics.typepad.com/jesus_politics/images/shirt4.jpg


get converted people!
Minoriteeburg
17-08-2006, 21:47
This when a time machine woukld come in handy. We could replace the wine with vodka:D


maybe mix in some shine with it, then things would have really gotten interesting.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 21:51
maybe mix in some shine with it, then things would have really gotten interesting.

Oh yeah. People woulda been like "And for his next miracle, the dude swore he loved me. I mean, really loved me, man. Then he threw up on my shoe. It was amazing."
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 21:53
Wrong way around.
Their argument goes like this:
Christian theology says that Jesus did not have a father in the conventional sense.
Jewish (and therefore also Christian) theology says that the messiah has to come from the line of David.
Mary wasn't descended from David, and God wasn't descended from David. If neither of his parents was descended from David, then he can't possibly the messiah.

See? This is why I failed R.E. :p
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 22:23
I say he's a horrible human being because there are enough of his kind to significantly hinder the world socially, scientifically and politically. It's a horrible effect given from a horrible person.

Thats going a little far. My parents are fundamentalists and I find that quite offensive actually.
Skinny87
17-08-2006, 22:28
:rolleyes:

Then I suggest you get on your knees and pray for forgiveness for even trying to say that this FSM is real.

Funny. I was about to say the same thing for talking about that God fella...


Oh, and is it true you go to Hell if you believe in a false deity? I do like a warm climate...
Arthais101
17-08-2006, 22:30
If you want to burn in hell, that is your perogative.

Stop making baby jesus cry!
Szanth
17-08-2006, 22:33
Thats going a little far. My parents are fundamentalists and I find that quite offensive actually.

Honestly I can say I don't feel sorry for it. If your parents are fundamentalists I challenge them to answer the questions we've asked today or be subject to similar labeling, and rightly so.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 22:34
Honestly I can say I don't feel sorry for it. If your parents are fundamentalists I challenge them to answer the questions we've asked today or be subject to similar labeling, and rightly so.

So because they disagree with what you say, that makes them horrible human beings.

Thats no more then flaming.
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 22:36
So because they disagree with what you say, that makes them horrible human beings.

Thats no more then flaming.

No, what makes them horrible human beings is their opposition to stem cell research and abortion.
Arthais101
17-08-2006, 22:37
No, what makes them horrible human beings is their opposition to stem cell research and abortion.

I hate to say it but...he's right.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 22:38
No, what makes them horrible human beings is their opposition to stem cell research and abortion.

That, and because they refuse to acknowledge holes in their beliefs and would rather continue believing a possible lie than face it directly.

If they believe different, that's completely fine with me - when they believe without questioning, is when they become a problem of humanity.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 22:38
No, what makes them horrible human beings is their opposition to stem cell research and abortion.

Just because my mum thinks abortion is wrong in most circumstances (i am not sure what they think of stem cell research) does not make them horrible human beings.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 22:40
That, and because they refuse to acknowledge holes in their beliefs and would rather continue believing a possible lie than face it directly.

If they believe different, that's completely fine with me - when they believe without questioning, is when they become a problem of humanity.

Many fundamentalists do not believe without questioning. They are constanly entering into debates.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 22:40
Just because my mum thinks abortion is wrong in most circumstances (i am not sure what they think of stem cell research) does not make them horrible human beings.

I suggest you read my post.
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 22:43
Just because my mum thinks abortion is wrong in most circumstances (i am not sure what they think of stem cell research) does not make them horrible human beings.

If they oppose abortion hen they will probably oppose stem-cell research. The two are very strongly linked.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 22:44
If they oppose abortion hen they will probably oppose stem-cell research. The two are very strongly linked.

Even so, how does that make them horrible?
Szanth
17-08-2006, 22:45
If they oppose abortion hen they will probably oppose stem-cell research. The two are very strongly linked.

Usually, yes.

If someone objects to stem cell research, then I don't need to know anything else about that person, I don't respect them at all.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 22:46
Even so, how does that make them horrible?

Stem cell research could cure many diseases we currently don't have a cure for. It could save so many lives if it were given the time and money it needs, but since people think stem cell research is akin to cutting up little babies and experimenting with them, people don't like it. They're ignorant of what it really is, and are killing people because of it. They're horrible.
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 22:48
Even so, how does that make them horrible?

Stem-cell research is an area that could relieve suffering and cure disease for millions but it's already been stopped in America due to the selfish attitudes of a minority of fundies because it might upset baby jesus. An equilivent would be someoene banning research into cures for cancer because they don't believe in drugs.

Anyone who takes the position that the pain and suffering of other is subordinate to their belief falls into my 'horrible person' category.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 22:52
Stem cell research could cure many diseases we currently don't have a cure for. It could save so many lives if it were given the time and money it needs, but since people think stem cell research is akin to cutting up little babies and experimenting with them, people don't like it. They're ignorant of what it really is, and are killing people because of it. They're horrible.

0.000000001% of fundamentalists kill people for it so that stupid immature and irrelivant point is pure trolling.

My parents may be opposed to it, but I don't call them horrible just misinformed as they have no intention of harm. My parents are great people who couldn't have raised me better and have done many things to help as much people as they can. They oppose something that may cure some genetic illnesses, I don't care they are not horrible.

You are just like the fundamentalists you argue with, taking the moral high ground. Anyone who disagrees with you are just horrible.
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 23:03
0.000000001% of fundamentalists kill people for it so that stupid immature and irrelivant point is pure trolling.

All fundamentalists who hold and campaign this belief will be responsible for each and every death that comes due to a condition that could have been cured had this research been carried out. That is a fact and they will have blood on their hands as surely as if they had killed the person themself.
Arthais101
17-08-2006, 23:05
0.000000001% of fundamentalists kill people for it so that stupid immature and irrelivant point is pure trolling.

My parents may be opposed to it, but I don't call them horrible just misinformed as they have no intention of harm. My parents are great people who couldn't have raised me better and have done many things to help as much people as they can. They oppose something that may cure some genetic illnesses, I don't care they are not horrible.

You are just like the fundamentalists you argue with, taking the moral high ground. Anyone who disagrees with you are just horrible.

Horrible? Ehh maybe, maybe not. I find denying someone a cure to a horrible disease, and doing so knowingly, on an issue like stem cell research to be absolutly horrible, and absolutly morally bankrupt.

I find ignorance (which you sort of dress up and make sound better by calling it "misinformed") is of little better use. While it may excuse one from doing it and not caring about the results, it still does not excuse them the obligation to be informed. Doing something, and damn the concequences, and doing something because you have taken efforts NOT to be informed about the concequences are very similar, and the second is not all to much better than the first.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 23:08
All fundamentalists who hold and campaign this belief will be responsible for each and every death that comes due to a condition that could have been cured had this research been carried out. That is a fact and they will have blood on their hands as surely as if they had killed the person themself.

Oh please stem cell research is being carried out at other places anyway where nothing useful has even been found. Genetic diseases can still be cured through other means, my Uncle is head of a company in england that uses computers to solve genetic problems (since the DNA code has been cracked this procedure has produced some useful results).
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 23:12
Oh please stem cell research is being carried out at other places anyway where nothing useful has even been found. Genetic diseases can still be cured through other means, my Uncle is head of a company in england that uses computers to solve genetic problems (since the DNA code has been cracked this procedure has produced some useful results).

Gunther's disease, Hunter syndrome, Hurler syndrome, Acute lymphocytic leukemia. All diseases treated using blood from the umbilical cord, a branch of stem cell research.

I would put it to you that there have been some useful discoveries and that you are unsure of what stem-cell research actually is.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 23:13
Gunther's disease, Hunter syndrome, Hurler syndrome, Acute lymphocytic leukemia. All diseases treated using blood from the umbilical cord, a branch of stem cell research.

I would put it to you that there have been some useful discoveries and that you are unsure of what stem-cell research actually is.

Thats not real stem cell research though. Or not the type people are opposed to anyway.

I'm not even sure if my parents are opposed to stem cell research, she is for abortion if it saves the mothers life or from rape etc..
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 23:13
Thats not real stem cell research though.

I'll bite. What is real stem-cell research then?
Sheni
17-08-2006, 23:14
Oh please stem cell research is being carried out at other places anyway where nothing useful has even been found. Genetic diseases can still be cured through other means, my Uncle is head of a company in england that uses computers to solve genetic problems (since the DNA code has been cracked this procedure has produced some useful results).
The stem cell people haven't been at it for much time at all, give them some slack.
The U.S should be in this because the U.S has more money to fund it then most countries do, and so any contribution by them would be a big help overall.
And just because there is another cure (which at the very least is rarely used) does not mean that they shoudn't try to find a better one.
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 23:16
The stem cell people haven't been at it for much time at all, give them some slack.
The U.S should be in this because the U.S has more money to fund it then most countries do, and so any contribution by them would be a big help overall.
And just because there is another cure (which at the very least is rarely used) does not mean that they shoudn't try to find a better one.

You are mistaken, stem-cell research began in Canada in the 1960's.
Sheni
17-08-2006, 23:16
I'll bite. What is real stem-cell research then?
He has a point in that we are and always have been talking about embryonic stem cell research and that no one who anybody would listen to is opposed to the other types.
Sheni
17-08-2006, 23:18
You are mistaken, stem-cell research began in Canada in the 1960's.
Care to clarify which type of stem cell research?
Because again, we are and always have been arguing about embryonic stem cell research.
Sheni
17-08-2006, 23:19
And from all those years not that much useful results have been found from embryonic stem cell research.
I think he meant stem cell research in general.
And so yes there have been quite a few useful results.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 23:20
I think he meant stem cell research in general.
And so yes there have been quite a few useful results.

Well i am talking about Embryonic stem cell research.
Fartsniffage
17-08-2006, 23:20
Care to clarify which type of stem cell research?
Because again, we are and always have been arguing about embryonic stem cell research.

Oh dear, my bad. Pluripotent stem cells were only isolated in 1998, that the type you're talking about.

Adult stem cells have been researched since the 60's.
Hydesland
17-08-2006, 23:22
Oh dear, my bad. Pluripotent stem cells were only isolated in 1998, that the type you're talking about.

Adult stem cells have been researched since the 60's.

Ok i take back my comment earlier about that then.
Szanth
17-08-2006, 23:40
Regardless of the route taken, a cure -should- be found. There's no negatives to experimenting with stem cells, so it should be used in conjunction with the computer DNA method to yield faster results.

Again, there's no reason to not allow stem cell research. None. At all. It's keeping a possible cure from being created, plain and simple.
Lerkistan
17-08-2006, 23:42
if jeebus knew what his religion turned into...he'd be upside down on his cross right now.....

That'd make him Peter. Be being Peter, he'd be sitting sitting at the Pearly Gates, which would prove Fartsniffage true.

...Logic and religion are interesting to combine. It works with the IPU, too :)
Boonytopia
18-08-2006, 00:19
And thus FSM showed himself to us via the C-17 Globemaster, take that Jesus.

Sweet! :) That's sig worthy.
Minoriteeburg
18-08-2006, 06:44
Oh yeah. People woulda been like "And for his next miracle, the dude swore he loved me. I mean, really loved me, man. Then he threw up on my shoe. It was amazing."


ah....those mustve been some good times back then....
Minoriteeburg
18-08-2006, 06:45
That'd make him Peter. Be being Peter, he'd be sitting sitting at the Pearly Gates, which would prove Fartsniffage true.

...Logic and religion are interesting to combine. It works with the IPU, too :)


if only religous people used logic more often......
Myotisinia
18-08-2006, 07:09
That's odd. I had thought the photograph was of a laughing Charles Darwin demonstrating his amused incredulity at seeing so many of you supplanting a belief in God in favor of a belief that we are actually descended from apes.

Go figure.
Sheni
18-08-2006, 08:11
That's odd. I had thought the photograph was of a laughing Charles Darwin demonstrating his amused incredulity at seeing so many of you supplanting a belief in God in favor of a belief that we are actually descended from apes.

Go figure.
No, it's too noodly for that.
By the way, your insult doesn't go well with a quick read, which is pretty much what the spammers on here will give you.
So I believe you've unwittingly supported the other side.
Bad for you there.
Minoriteeburg
18-08-2006, 08:27
No, it's too noodly for that.
By the way, your insult doesn't go well with a quick read, which is pretty much what the spammers on here will give you.
So I believe you've unwittingly supported the other side.
Bad for you there.


this is only a mere sample of the chaos that the Flying Spaghetti Monster can instill upon the masses.