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After ten years there is a suspect in custody for the murder of the little girl with the creepy makeup and the weird name. He's been busted in Thailand on sex charges and Boulder, CO police are flying out there to present Thai authorities with documents relating to the rape/murder of Jonbenet.

All this time I seriously thought it was the parents that did it. Looks like it was some random pervert.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060816/jonbenet_ramsey_060816/20060816?hub=TopStories

He did confess to some elements of her abduction and murder. Do not know if he actually committed it or not but he has confessed to some elements of it.

Press Conference tomorrow at 4:00 PM ET.

Wow, I didn't think they'd ever find out who did it. I did think it was the parents, too. *shudder* Brings up the whole creepy issue of six-year-old girls being tarted up for beauty pageants.

Huh, I always thought the parents did it. Who knows, maybe OJ didn't kill those two girls.

Huh, I always thought the parents did it. Who knows, maybe OJ didn't kill those two girls.
One of those girls was male.

One of those girls was male.

Really? Hmm, I know he went to trial for the murder of Nicole, but what about the second trial?

Really? Hmm, I know he went to trial for the murder of Nicole, but what about the second trial?

Not guilty on two counts of Murder. :rolleyes:

Really? Hmm, I know he went to trial for the murder of Nicole, but what about the second trial?That was a civil suit.

That was a civil suit.

Ahh thanks, well, he's still looking for the real killers!

Not guilty on two counts of Murder. :rolleyes:

The joys of being able to hire very expensive lawyers.

The joys of being able to hire very expensive lawyers.

Did not help the prosecution any that the crime scene was contaminated and that the glove did not fit OJ.

I only know about this case from the south park episode... Looks like Matt and Trey were wrong about this one.

Did not help the prosecution any that the crime scene was contaminated and that the glove did not fit OJ.

Also didn't help that DNA evidence was still new to the sphere of invesigation and the juries didn't know too well about it.

I am struck by the fact that most posters seemed to, at one time or another, believe that the parents were the murderers.

I wonder where everyone got that idea? From the police reports? Physical evidence? Circumstantial evidence? Or the fact that the Ramseys' daughter was a child model, so they must be overbearing parents who went over the edge?

I think the real answer to why the Ramseys were unfairly pilloried by the public is the sensationalist media, who are now profiting from the lie they helped create.

I'm waiting for the apologies from the media ....

I have a feeling it's gonna be a long wait.:(

To be completely honest, I stopped caring seven years ago. :p

I am struck by the fact that most posters seemed to, at one time or another, believe that the parents were the murderers.

Dont be so sure.
This guy isnt convicted yet.


I wonder where everyone got that idea? From the police reports? Physical evidence? Circumstantial evidence? Or the fact that the Ramseys' daughter was a child model, so they must be overbearing parents who went over the edge?

Or the fact that thier little girl was raped, and beaten to death in thier own home, and no one heard anything.
Or the fact that they had a ransom note that matched the mothers handwriting....

Lots of little things...nothing conclusive.



I think the real answer to why the Ramseys were unfairly pilloried by the public is the sensationalist media, who are now profiting from the lie they helped create.

I'm waiting for the apologies from the media ....


I have a feeling it's gonna be a long wait.:(


The thing is, this may not actually be the killer.
He admits to it, but he also has an alibi.
His family member claims that he was with him, the night and time of the murder.

This guy might be admitting to a crime he didnt commit.
Sometimes crazy people do that.

So basically, dont count your chickens just yet.
Theres no need to apologize to the parents just yet.

To be completely honest, I stopped caring seven years ago. :p
There has to be a point where you ask, "Is the death/kidnapping of pretty white girls really news? Why do we only care when it's pretty white girls?" The answers make you want to smash things.

I'd blame the media but it's like blaming the heroin dealer-the junky has to share the blame. The media exists to sell Chevy's and vacuum cleaners, and the more eyeballs they can get to sell Chevy's and vacuum cleaners to, the more money they can make. And pretty white girls, among other things, focus eyeballs. If those eyeballs didn't watch everytime a pretty white girl was kidnaped or killed, we'd stop hearing about it.

Stupid fucking junkies.

Great point Cannot...

I didn't know anything about this case and I don't really care.

There has to be a point where you ask, "Is the death/kidnapping of pretty white girls really news? Why do we only care when it's pretty white girls?" The answers make you want to smash things.

I'd blame the media but it's like blaming the heroin dealer-the junky has to share the blame. The media exists to sell Chevy's and vacuum cleaners, and the more eyeballs they can get to sell Chevy's and vacuum cleaners to, the more money they can make. And pretty white girls, among other things, focus eyeballs. If those eyeballs didn't watch everytime a pretty white girl was kidnaped or killed, we'd stop hearing about it.

Stupid fucking junkies.

My thoughts exactly. Well, not exactly. But fairly close. Other murders came and went. Other issues came and went. But this one story kept getting recycled on and on for years. There were stories that deserved ten times the attention this one got. Like you said, though; It was about a pretty white girl. But what sickened me wasn't the 'drug' the dealers were pushing on us junkies, it was the bullshit they were cutting it with. :p

Finding a person who confesses to things unknown to the general public does not, in any way, take potential guilt away from the parents.

Perhaps the man they've arrested, if he is what he claims, can shed light on why there was a ransom note in the mother's handwriting. Perhaps the father helped this man in the rape and murder.

We don't know anything yet.

Must have been a slow news day to have to revive a 10 year old murder.

Well he just confessed.

Well he just confessed.
This has done an unbelieveable amount of harm to the credibility of all those tabloid magazines that I buy in the supermarket. I'm going to have to doubt the existence of all sorts of things now.

Important points:

1. Witnesses place Karr in Alabama when Ramsey was murdered.
2. Karr studied the case extensively and even wrote a paper on it and was further encouraged to write a book on it.

My thoughts: The guy's either insane or needed a free trip back to the US.

I'm going to have to doubt the existence of all sorts of things now.

I assure you that Batboy is alive and very real.

Important points:

1. Witnesses place Karr in Alabama when Ramsey was murdered.
2. Karr studied the case extensively and even wrote a paper on it and was further encouraged to write a book on it.

My thoughts: The guy's either insane or needed a free trip back to the US.

Yeah, I'm a bit dubious myself. He's all too ready to confess. Looks to me like a looney's plea for attention, frankly.

In other news, what a creepy fucker:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/t1.karr3.afp.gi.jpg

Perhaps the man they've arrested, if he is what he claims, can shed light on why there was a ransom note in the mother's handwriting.

The handwriting tests came back inconclusive. They can't be sure it was the mother's.

In other news, what a creepy fucker:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/t1.karr3.afp.gi.jpg

But notice how he stares right into the camera. He's soaking up the attention. Again, I can't help but be dubious.

What's next, OJ finds the real killer?

What's next, OJ finds the real killer?

Only if the real killer's wandering around the green on the 9th hole...

I have serious doubts about the capacity to convict anyone at this point for the Jon-Benet killing. Everything I've heard about the case points to the investigation being fucked up six ways from sunday, to the point where there is no unimpeachable evidence any more.

...and on the latest missing blonde watch we have...JonBenet Ramsey!!

Seriously, who cares?

...and on the latest missing blonde watch we have...JonBenet Ramsey!!

Seriously, who cares?
More like on "The best of missing blonde watch."
Welcome to a, man how old is this case? About as old as OJ I think.

More like on "The best of missing blonde watch."
Welcome to a, man how old is this case? About as old as OJ I think.

No, slightly more recent. But only slightly.

But notice how he stares right into the camera. He's soaking up the attention. Again, I can't help but be dubious.
Apparently, there are things that he knows about the crime scene that were withheld. The make or break tests are going to be done when he returns to Boulder. DNA, palm and foot prints are all availble to test and match.

Apparently, there are things that he knows about the crime scene that were withheld. The make or break tests are going to be done when he returns to Boulder. DNA, palm and foot prints are all availble to test and match.
The Ramseys are going to be on every talkshow that they can fit in a few months and be like "Told you, bitches!"

I just love how sympathy is so abundant on the internet.

Look, I don't care how old the case, or how many other moe important ones were ahead of it. The point is they may have caught the murderer and rapist of a 6 year old girl. Who knows how many other girls he's done that to in the past 10 years? That's whta matters to me.

To be completely honest, I stopped caring seven years ago. :p

You actually cared about the "ZOMG Jon Benet murdered!!1111!!!one!" case at one point?! :p

Meh, I'm hoping that Jon Stewart inflicts some serious skewering on the news networks that have been falling over themselves to report on this (instead of actual news) . It's the best thing that can possibly come from resurrecting a piece of "news" as old as The Daily Show itself. I mean, what's next? "OJ Simpson Exonerated - Real Killer Found"? "Columbine Massacre - Startling New Revelations"? "9/11 - It's Been Five Years, So It's Time to Make You Remember It Again"? Wait a minute...

anyone see this:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_on_re_us/jonbenet_ramsey_colorado_7

Says he drugged her and had sex with her but the death was an accident. Although an autopsy showed she was not drugged.

The Ramseys are going to be on every talkshow that they can fit in a few months and be like "Told you, bitches!"


Well perhaps only the father. The mother recently died.

Apparently, there are things that he knows about the crime scene that were withheld. The make or break tests are going to be done when he returns to Boulder. DNA, palm and foot prints are all availble to test and match.
If by things about the crime scene withheld from the public you mean things the DA says is wrong, then yeah, withheld facts. I think he is a crazy fan and can't imagine how they tagged him a decade after the murder and in fucking Thailand.

Or the fact that thier little girl was raped, and beaten to death in thier own home, and no one heard anything.
Or the fact that they had a ransom note that matched the mothers handwriting....Technically, the note didn't match her handwriting, she just couldn't be ruled out. But you're right about the crime happening in the house - that suggests something to do with the family.

There has to be a point where you ask, "Is the death/kidnapping of pretty white girls really news? Why do we only care when it's pretty white girls?" The answers make you want to smash things.Personally, I find mysteries to be interesting, pretty white girls or not.

It is tragic that a little girl was murdered.

but lets get some prespective here people...

According to UNICEF, 30,000 children die each day due to poverty. And they “die quietly in some of the poorest villages on earth, far removed from the scrutiny and the conscience of the world. Being meek and weak in life makes these dying multitudes even more invisible in death.”

That is about 210,000 children each week, or just under 11 million children under five years of age, each year.


Linky (http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673603137798/fulltext)

It is tragic that a little girl was murdered.

but lets get some prespective here people...

According to UNICEF, 30,000 children die each day due to poverty. And they “die quietly in some of the poorest villages on earth, far removed from the scrutiny and the conscience of the world. Being meek and weak in life makes these dying multitudes even more invisible in death.”

That is about 210,000 children each week, or just under 11 million children under five years of age, each year.


Linky (http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673603137798/fulltext)
Well, put them on TV and maybe someone will care.

Seriously. People are interested in this story because it's a freak show, not because a kid was killed. You've got parents that tart their six year old up and put her in beauty contests, you've got suggestions that the family was involved in the rape/murder, you've got train-wreck TV that people will watch for the freakshow factor. I hate to say it, but the life and violent death of this girl has boiled down to morbid entertainment for the masses.

Well, put them on TV and maybe someone will care.

Seriously. People are interested in this story because it's a freak show, not because a kid was killed. You've got parents that tart their six year old up and put her in beauty contests, you've got suggestions that the family was involved in the rape/murder, you've got train-wreck TV that people will watch for the freakshow factor. I hate to say it, but the life and violent death of this girl has boiled down to morbid entertainment for the masses.

We do put them on TV...but only when there is some 'humanitarian' disaster...once it dies down and is no longer news..nothing is shown...yet the deaths continue.

Once again I agree with your second paragraph wholeheartedly. Nothing to hate about it as it is true.

I just find it revolting and henious that it happens and that few people really give a fuck.

Tragic.

Or the fact that thier little girl was raped, and beaten to death in thier own home, and no one heard anything.

Honestly, when you take into account the size and the layout of the Ramsey home, it doesn’t seem at all absurd that the parents could have slept through the whole ordeal.

I agree with you that Carr is innocent until proven guilty though. I wish the press would stop fuelling speculation, back off and let the authorities do their job. I thought that lesson would have been learnt by now.

I just love how sympathy is so abundant on the internet.

Look, I don't care how old the case, or how many other moe important ones were ahead of it. The point is they may have caught the murderer and rapist of a 6 year old girl. Who knows how many other girls he's done that to in the past 10 years? That's whta matters to me.

No, you’re right. While I am disgusted by the amount of media-whoring that has gone on over the last ten years, the case has some personal significance with me. I first heard of JonBenet when I was eight, probably in early 1997. I hadn’t really been aware of any such crimes involving children prior to that. So it made a profound impact on me. I’m used to hearing about things like that all the time now (and they still affect me in some way), but back then it was new.

It is an appalling case of child abuse and murder, highlighting something many have suffered world-wide. That anybody would say that isn’t worth thinking about upsets me.

Why shouldn’t we be pleased that a horrific crime still has the chance of being solved ten years later?

I believe in justice and I wish every victim got it.

Dont be so sure.
This guy isnt convicted yet.



Or the fact that thier little girl was raped, and beaten to death in thier own home, and no one heard anything.
Or the fact that they had a ransom note that matched the mothers handwriting....

Lots of little things...nothing conclusive.


The thing is, this may not actually be the killer.
He admits to it, but he also has an alibi.
His family member claims that he was with him, the night and time of the murder.

This guy might be admitting to a crime he didnt commit.
Sometimes crazy people do that.

So basically, dont count your chickens just yet.
Theres no need to apologize to the parents just yet.

He may not be that crazy, either. He's up on sex charges in southeast Asia, not the softest place in the world to be an offender. Now, he's getting extridited to the US to stand trial here, instead . . .

In other news, what a creepy fucker:

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/LAW/08/17/ramsey.arrest/t1.karr3.afp.gi.jpg
OMG, that's what I thought when I saw him on the news. Made me cringe.