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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060816/ts_nm/iran_holocaust_dc


Iran seeks to test taboos with Holocaust cartoons

By Parisa Hafezi 1 hour, 11 minutes ago

TEHRAN (Reuters) - At the exhibition entrance, a poster shows a helmet with the Star of David lying on top of others carrying a Nazi Swastika. Inside, the Statue of Liberty is pictured holding a Holocaust book while giving a Nazi salute.

Organizers say displaying more than 200 entries from
Iran's International Holocaust Cartoons Contest aims to challenge Western taboos about discussing the Holocaust, in which 6 million Jews died but which Iran's president called a "myth."


and the most telling statement

"After the Holocaust was questioned by the president, now I have real doubts about it," said Maryam Zadkani, a 23-year-old graphic artist as she wandered around the exhibition.

why do people endlessly seek to stoop to their enemie's level?

I hope there aren't any riots....

*gets giant bag of marshmallows and some pungee sticks ready*

Anyone else see the irony in Iran's government testing the limits of free speech?

*gets giant bag of marshmallows and some pungee sticks ready*


*steals marshmallows*

Iran wants to test free speech...again by questioning the Holocaust and encouraging other to do it...again. I guess if at first you don't succeed, try again.

Too bad no one wants to draw Mohhammad again. I think people are beginning to forget about the "cartoon riots", which had muslims almost everywhere(they were surprisingly peaceful in the United States aka redneck capital of the world. My stupid must be making the muslims here peaceful) violently rioting in defense of their "peaceful" religion. Damn, people criticize Christianity for using the peaceful thing when describing their religion. When was the last time those believing in the same religion that caused the inquisition rioted over a drawing of Jesus being peed on or being labeled a retard?

Maybe the muslims are just getting their "Catholic Church period", a period in which those believing in an otherwise peaceful and loving religion turn violent and make their religious leaders their regular, everyday life leaders. I think the Jews had theirs. I'm not sure. The scientologists sure are getting theirs.

It's refreshing to know that the Iranian government is taking a break from its regular routine of stoning homosexuals and rape victims to death or whipping reform and civil liberties activists in order to test the limits of free speech.

I'm not going to riot or get angry, I'm just going to have more proof that Iran is an ignorant hellhole that thinks everyone is as backward as they are.

It's refreshing to know that the Iranian government is taking a break from its regular routine of stoning homosexuals and rape victims to death or whipping reform and civil liberties activists in order to test the limits of free speech.

I'm not going to riot or get angry, I'm just going to have more proof that Iran is an ignorant hellhole that thinks everyone is as backward as they are.

*dances*

I still find it funny that the response to Iran's call for such cartoons was this:

http://boomka.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/falbum/wp/album.php?album=72057594067999377

I think we should restore the Russian Empire, they knew how to keep those silly Middle Easterners/Central Asians in line. A nice war/massacre every fifty years or so, maybe annex a khannate or two and poof, wonderful happy peaceful Near East :)

You want to test the boundaries of free speech, Iran? Fine. It is your right to speak your mind without fear of reprisal or censorship.

...But know that right now you are the #1 dickwads in my book.

yay. Finally something Iran has done that I can tollerate.

I still find it funny that the response to Iran's call for such cartoons was this:

http://boomka.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/falbum/wp/album.php?album=72057594067999377

Isrealis doing an anti-semitic contest... those guys are cool :)

(While Iran, well, duh. Backwards, they are.)

No pics of those cartoons? If they want me to get angry about something, at least they should show me what I should get angry about... meh.

I think we should restore the Russian Empire, they knew how to keep those silly Middle Easterners/Central Asians in line. A nice war/massacre every fifty years or so, maybe annex a khannate or two and poof, wonderful happy peaceful Near East :)
Heh, backed the wrong team? ;)

No pics of those cartoons? If they want me to get angry about something, at least they should show me what I should get angry about... meh.

We could riot just for the sake of it. I've never burnt an embassy before.

What happens when assholes try to prove a point and fail.

Don't count on it.

I refuse to riot until my favorite sports team wins a championship.

I refuse to riot until my favorite sports team wins a championship.
Why? First sign of the apocalypse?

Why? First sign of the apocalypse?

That too but mostly tradition.

Anyone else see the irony in Iran's government testing the limits of free speech?

i assume you are an american.
please explain how it is ironic?
do i have to change the meaning in my dictionary?
americans should really stop using that word. like that silly alanis morset song. she might be canadian but my point is still valid.

some are funny like,

http://boomka.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/falbum/wp/album.php?album=72057594067999377&page=1&photo=116358484

and

http://boomka.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/falbum/wp/album.php?album=72057594067999377&page=1&photo=116357649

its ok to make fun jew cause people have been making fun of the church for so long . also israel is a bad force in the world so it has to be discouraged.

this is gas.
http://boomka.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/falbum/wp/album.php?album=72057594067999377&page=1&photo=116357161

i assume you are an american.
please explain how it is ironic?
do i have to change the meaning in my dictionary?
americans should really stop using that word. like that silly alanal morset song. she might be canadian but my point is still valid.

A country that jails, tortures and imprisons political and religious dissenters having a "contest pushing the limits of free speech".

Seems to fit the definition:

i·ro·ny Audio pronunciation of "irony" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-n, r-)
n. pl. i·ro·nies

1.
1. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
2. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
3. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. See Synonyms at wit1.
2.
1. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: “Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated” (Richard Kain).
2. An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity. See Usage Note at ironic.
3. Dramatic irony.
4. Socratic irony.

BTW, who is "alanal morset"?

super ha ha.

http://boomka.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/falbum/wp/album.php?album=72057594067999377&page=1&photo=116357161

http://boomka.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/falbum/wp/album.php?album=72057594067999377&page=1&photo=109620312
http://boomka.org/blog/wp-content/plugins/falbum/wp/album.php?album=72057594067999377&page=1&photo=108074227

A country that jails, tortures and imprisons political and religious dissenters having a "contest pushing the limits of free speech".

Seems to fit the definition:

i·ro·ny Audio pronunciation of "irony" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (r-n, r-)
n. pl. i·ro·nies

1.
1. The use of words to express something different from and often opposite to their literal meaning.
2. An expression or utterance marked by a deliberate contrast between apparent and intended meaning.
3. A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect. See Synonyms at wit1.
2.
1. Incongruity between what might be expected and what actually occurs: “Hyde noted the irony of Ireland's copying the nation she most hated” (Richard Kain).
2. An occurrence, result, or circumstance notable for such incongruity. See Usage Note at ironic.
3. Dramatic irony.
4. Socratic irony.

BTW, who is "alanal morset"?

now explain how that fits into its meaning.

So.. Salman Rushdie should be getting his apology from Iran any day soon then.

-snip-

This is a UK server. The brits have pretty strong laws about faith crimes - just ask the gay police association.

I'd be careful with that if I was you.

I see it as incredibly ironic. Or is it?
After all, isn't Iran the bastion of free speech?
Anyway, Alanis is Canadian.

now explain how that fits into its meaning.

Now read carefully:

A country that jails, tortures and imprisons political and religious dissenters having a "contest pushing the limits of free speech".


Incongruity

Still no rioting. Now let's put another muhammed cartoon back up and see what we get.

This is a UK server. The brits have pretty strong laws about faith crimes - just ask the gay police association.

I'd be careful with that if I was you.

We do?

make sweden do it this time maybe they'll torch fasses house

I was thinking of having Moses and Muhammed skipping along Castro Street holding hands. Hey if you're going to offend people might as well go all out.

I was thinking of having Moses and Muhammed skipping along Castro Street holding hands. Hey if you're going to offend people might as well go all out.I still kind of like the idea of Jesus and Muhammad in "Brokeback Middle East".

I still kind of like the idea of Jesus and Muhammad in "Brokeback Middle East".

But who would be in front?

I still kind of like the idea of Jesus and Muhammad in "Brokeback Middle East".

nah, we know the worse Christian will do is have Pat Roberston saying that whoever created the cartoon should die. I'm just trying to offend both jews and mulsium to see which one will riot. So far the score is Mulsium =1 riot Jew = 0 riots.

We do?

Yes you do. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/5195462.stm

The Gay Police Association (GPA) is being investigated after it claimed a rise in homophobic attacks was due to religious belief.............

Scotland Yard said the inquiry "centres on whether the advert constitutes a faith crime."

And that seems a lot less inflamatory than the cartoons.

Yes you do.

Oh that law. Nobody bothers with it, under the wording of that law we could prosecute stand up commedians.

Oh that law. Nobody bothers with it, under the wording of that law we could prosecute stand up commedians.

It's only been the law for a few months. Give it a chance.

There will be no riots for these cartoons because they are anti-semetic. PC allows anti-jewish remarks and depictions because most of the left leaning PC people are anti-Israel. Also, the jews are a bit more civilized than the savagry that we saw in the Muhammed riots.

There will be no riots for these cartoons because they are anti-semetic. PC allows anti-jewish remarks and depictions because most of the left leaning PC people are anti-Israel. Also, the jews are a bit more civilized than the savagry that we saw in the Muhammed riots.Are you saying we should go out and burn embassies in protest?

EDIT: Actually, you are absolutely wrong. The PC crowd over here in Germany doesn't allow criticism of Jews. Just because your horizon ends at your nose doesn't mean there isn't a world behind it.

Are you saying we should go out and burn embassies in protest?
No not at all! I am saying that Jews are not acting like the crazy Muslim rioters did because the Jews actualy act in a civilized way.

No not at all! I am saying that Jews are not acting like the crazy Muslim rioters did because the Jews actualy act in a civilized way.You're also saying that there will be no riots because it's ok to be anti-semitic if you're PC. This is absolute bullshit. (As in, it's false.)

Cookies to you if you can actually figure out why.

Am I the only one that caught the paragraph at the end where it said that the government wasn't sponsoring this?

You're also saying that there will be no riots because it's ok to be anti-semitic if you're PC. This is absolute bullshit. (As in, it's false.)

Cookies to you if you can actually figure out why.

Anti-Israel is the new anti-semitism. And it is running ramant across the world. People want to see Israel wiped off the map and the residents deported by force. People sympathize with the terrorists of Hezbollah on this forum all day long. And look at the jewish reaction to this Nazi apologist side show in Iran....no riots, no murders, no chaos. They have proved themselves much more civilized than those insane Islamic fascists with whom we are at war. Today was the day the transatlantic terror plot was supposed to happen. Luckily we stopped it. Now how many times have 24 Jews been arrested for trying to blow up airliners full of civilians? There is not moral equality between Jews and Muslims.

Am I the only one that caught the paragraph at the end where it said that the government wasn't sponsoring this?

Yeah, I read that, but it was not very relavent.

Anti-Israel is the new anti-semitism. And it is running ramant across the world. People want to see Israel wiped off the map and the residents deported by force. People sympathize with the terrorists of Hezbollah on this forum all day long. And look at the jewish reaction to this Nazi apologist side show in Iran....no riots, no murders, no chaos. They have proved themselves much more civilized than those insane Islamic fascists with whom we are at war. Today was the day the transatlantic terror plot was supposed to happen. Luckily we stopped it. Now how many times have 24 Jews been arrested for trying to blow up airliners full of civilians? There is not moral equality between Jews and Muslims.

What in gods name are you babbling about? You realise that people don't have to automatically support Israel these days? That one can not support either of them, as I do? Or, shock and horror, might support another nation (Even if that is morally rather dubious).

The world isn't as black and white as you make it out to be, chum.

EDIT: And yes, there is a moral equality between Jews and Muslims. Not all Muslims are suicide bombers or want to see Israel destroyed, as you seem to indicate. The majority of Muslims are peaceful people, y'know.

You realise that people don't have to automatically support Israel these days? That one can not support either of them, as I do? Or, shock and horror, might support another nation (Even if that is morally rather dubious).

The world isn't as black and white as you make it out to be, chum.

When a free nation fights a hang of terrorists people must support the free nation or else they are playing into the hands of the terrorists. Being nuetral between the two only emboldens the terrorists. It puts them on equal moral ground with a legitimate government.

I think we should restore the Russian Empire, they knew how to keep those silly Middle Easterners/Central Asians in line. A nice war/massacre every fifty years or so, maybe annex a khannate or two and poof, wonderful happy peaceful Near East :)

Nah. A dose of good old fashioned imperialism would show them the error of their ways.....;)

When a free nation fights a hang of terrorists people must support the free nation or else they are playing into the hands of the terrorists. Being nuetral between the two only emboldens the terrorists. It puts them on equal moral ground with a legitimate government.

So Switzerland = Hezbollah?

Do you want to tell them, or shall I?

Anyone who doesn't see the irony of a free-speech hating country sponcering the testing the limits of the very right they oppose should read up on the definition of irony more. That would be like a klansman testing the limits of tolerance or Hitler testing the limits of non-anti semetism and non-xenophobia.

What would be funny would be if they did a lousy job on the cartoons. Then we could mock their mocking.

I don't see a problem with questioning the holocaust. It is stupid that it is illegal, or even a taboo. People should be allowed to question whatever they please. I don't think 11/09/01 WTC attacks were really done by Osama, do I deserve to be locked up? Hell, on a really long shot, maybe the holocaust is a myth. If it isn't, most likely, then they are the stupid ones for believing it, right?

So Switzerland = Hezbollah?

Do you want to tell them, or shall I?

what? I posted that free nations have no moral equality with terrorist organizations. Switzerland does not equal Hezbollah.

I don't see a problem with questioning the holocaust. It is stupid that it is illegal, or even a taboo. People should be allowed to question whatever they please. I don't think 11/09/01 WTC attacks were really done by Osama, do I deserve to be locked up? Hell, on a really long shot, maybe the holocaust is a myth. If it isn't, most likely, then they are the stupid ones for believing it, right?

Denying evil like the holocaust and 9/11 only helps those who did the evil. Especially when you use psuedo conspiracy "facts" to back up such outlandish claims. Might as well also claim that Stalin never abused human rights or Japan did not attack Pearl harbor.

Still no rioting. Now let's put another muhammed cartoon back up and see what we get.
I can whip up a stick Figure and call it Muhammed and post it but I don't want to be banned. Or for some fanatics to burn down the Jolt offices.

Notice how the Jews don't pillage and riot like maniac savages as well as the Muslims do.

Denying evil like the holocaust and 9/11 only helps those who did the evil. Especially when you use psuedo conspiracy "facts" to back up such outlandish claims. Might as well also claim that Stalin never abused human rights or Japan did not attack Pearl harbor.
Denying people the right to deny those things makes you the same as those who did the evil.

Also, Japan attacking Pearl Harbour wasn't evil, it was war. War sucks, get used to it. The men who died deserved it. Nothing personal against them, but anyone who puts on a uniform and agrees to fight and die for his country should expect exactly that. Anybody who lives through war as a soldier gets a whole lot less than what they were asking for.

Denying people the right to deny those things makes you the same as those who did the evil.

Also, Japan attacking Pearl Harbour wasn't evil, it was war. War sucks, get used to it. The men who died deserved it. Nothing personal against them, but anyone who puts on a uniform and agrees to fight and die for his country should expect exactly that. Anybody who lives through war as a soldier gets a whole lot less than what they were asking for.


so saying you cannot committ slander is the same as carrying out the systematic murder of 10 million people and the terror attacks of 911? Get your priorites in order.

so saying you cannot committ slander is the same as carrying out the systematic murder of 10 million people and the terror attacks of 911? Get your priorites in order.
Do you know what a priority is, because we weren't talking about them (At least not mine). I said denying freedom makes you the same as those 'evil' (As if there is such a thing) people. Not that deny freedom equates to the things that each evil individual did. Denying freedom is what rhey share in common. Turn on comprehension before replying next time.

Do you know what a priority is, because we weren't talking about them (At least not mine). I said deny freedom makes you the same as those 'evil' (As if there is such a thing) people. Not that deny freedom equates to the things that each evil individual did. Denying freedom is what rhey share in common. Turn on comprehension before replying next time.

You are spinning so fast and so hard that you are not even understandable.

You are spinning so fast and so hard that you are not even understandable.
Thats ok, I can explain it if you'd like. But if it's too complex i understand :)

Thats ok, I can explain it if you'd like. But if it's too complex i understand :)

NO, I get it perfectly. You are saying that I am the same as Hitler and Bin laden but I am not the same as them. Great. That makes a load of sense. And your does evil really exist comment proves that you have lived a rather unchallenging life. I was in Manhattan on 9/11/01 and trust me, evil is alive and well.

NO, I get it perfectly. You are saying that I am the same as Hitler and Bin laden but I am not the same as them. Great. That makes a load of sense. And your does evil really exist comment proves that you have lived a rather unchallenging life. I was in Manhattan on 9/11/01 and trust me, evil is alive and well.
I see. Well thats a very good try, 10/10 for effort, but I'm afraid you didn't quite hit the mark in performance. Don't give up though, you'll make it one day.

The idea of 'evil' existing demonstates a rather simplistic world view, indicative of a 'sheltered' life. Tell me, by what objective standards do you measure 'evility'? Why were some people celebrating the 911 attacks, did they miscalculate?

I see. Well thats a very good try, 10/10 for effort, but I'm afraid you didn't quite hit the mark in performance. Don't give up though, you'll make it one day.

The idea of 'evil' existing demonstates a rather simplistic world view, indicative of a 'sheltered' life. Tell me, by what objective standards do you measure 'evility'? Why were some people celebrating the 911 attacks, did they miscalculate?

I was sheltered when I went to go live in China. I was sheltered when I saw 9/11 firsthand. I was sheltered when I had sombody close to me murdered. Give me a break. You and I both know which of the two of us is sheltered. You really do not believe in evil.

When somthing is wrong, and has no positive effects, and is done for bad purposes it is evil. Some celebrated when my city was attacked because they had evil in their hearts. They valued their own ends more than the workers in those two tower's lives.

Still being simplistic. First of all, you are assuming right off the bat that the workers in the Twin Towers and Pentagon were not, in fact, evil. You need to establish a basis for that claim before you can continue with your argument.

Still being simplistic. First of all, you are assuming right off the bat that the workers in the Twin Towers and Pentagon were not, in fact, evil. You need to establish a basis for that claim before you can continue with your argument.

Innocent civilians who were merely going to work. Do not go down this road. Do not be an asshat.

I was sheltered when I went to go live in China. I was sheltered when I saw 9/11 firsthand. I was sheltered when I had sombody close to me murdered. Give me a break. You and I both know which of the two of us is sheltered. You really do not believe in evil. Wow, how is it possible that you could be so worldly, yet so insular at the same time? I am truly amazed. I'm glad you know all about my experiences (At least enough to judge), that saves me the trouble of relaying them all to you. 你知道了。 你会说中文吗？
When somthing is wrong, and has no positive effects, and is done for bad purposes it is evil. Some celebrated when my city was attacked because they had evil in their hearts. They valued their own ends more than the workers in those two tower's lives. Evil in their hearts, eh? How did it get there? Show me one person who doesn't value their own purposes more than somebody else's. It's called human nature.

Let us examine, situation #1:
"I murdered my boss because he wouldn't give me a pay rise, now my new boss has given me a pay rise, and I can afford to send my children to private school!"= Not evil, because it has positive effects.
"I threw a glass of water at my sister because she is a nerd, but I missed."= Evil, because it is 'wrong', it had no positive effects, and it was done for bad purposes (Bullying).

I'm confused? It would seem that there is nothing objective about it at all. Anyhow, I'll leave you to chew on that philosophical bone, 我要去。 在建.