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http://www.swissminigun.com/gallery_steel.html

I am not normaly a gun nut but this massivly impressed me ... fuck attach that thing to your keychain and I bet you could slide it right through in the tray without them paying attention to the fancy keychain

Edit: I know this is unlikly to be an overly dangerous weapon but cool none the less

I can't imagine that doing a lot of damage.

It's a neat little novelty item. Seems harmless. I'd bet I'd still go to jail if I was caught with one here in New Jersey though.

Doesn't look very dangerous though. Sure, you could put someones eye out, but it's not really something to take over a plane with, even if you get it through.

I can easily imagine someone laughing themselves to death if you threatened them with that.

If you shot me with that thing, and I found out about it, I would put it up your ass.

Fill the bullet with mercury. It'll take some time but at least it'd be deadly.

Fill the bullet with mercury. It'll take some time but at least it'd be deadly.
And if you fired it at the walls of the plane it would do that funny eating away process that mercury does to aluminium and make a big hole in the side of the plane.

Fill the bullet with mercury. It'll take some time but at least it'd be deadly.Metalic mercury isnt' all that poisonous. But of course you could put some other poisons on it, curare maybe..

Fill the bullet with mercury. It'll take some time but at least it'd be deadly.
Could that thing even penetrate skin?

I thought maybe this was about a microscopic Beatles album.

Metalic mercury isnt' all that poisonous. But of course you could put some other poisons on it, curare maybe..
I was going to point out that methyl mercury is something to worry about, but not metallic mercury.

Could that thing even penetrate skin?
That'd be the question. Maybe if you got lucky. I'm not sure about the toxicity of mercury when applied directly to the bloodstream (opposite to inhalation) but I don't think it's something you'd want in your organism anyway.

That'd be the question. Maybe if you got lucky. I'm not sure about the toxicity of mercury when applied directly to the bloodstream (opposite to inhalation) but I don't think it's something you'd want in your organism anyway.
Metallic mercury is easily excreted, and doesn't really bind hard to you - you can excrete it more rapidly by sweating, or by ingesting sodium EDTA.

Methly mercury will stay in you. And drive you mad or kill you.

Imagine losing the bullets!

Imagine losing the bullets!
Probably need tweezers to load the revolver. And a magnifying glass.

I could certainly see that little thing punching a hole in someone. A tiny hole, but still a hole.

I've actually seen smaller, though not a revolver. There's a famous set of duelling pistols in the Louvre; magnificent design work, and they actually function. They're kept in their custom-made holding case - which is made out of a single peach pit.

I could certainly see that little thing punching a hole in someone. A tiny hole, but still a hole.

I've actually seen smaller, though not a revolver. There's a famous set of duelling pistols in the Louvre; magnificent design work, and they actually function. They're kept in their custom-made holding case - which is made out of a single peach pit.

Not a very deep hole.

Shit, if I ordered a minigun and got that, I'd be mighty disappointed. THIS is a minigun:

http://www.holmbushpaintballshop.co.uk/paintball-shop/images/minigun.jpg

Besides, imagine trying to service that tiny thing. Yeesh.

I thought maybe this was about a microscopic Beatles album.

You win the thread.

I thought maybe this was about a microscopic Beatles album.

You win the thread.

It's not the size... It's how you use it. *nods*

It's not the size... It's how you use it. *nods*

Recoil would probably hurt, the size is not too proportionate to the mass and since it will not be held firmly in your hand, the recoil will be more intense... Probably like a magnum gun going off on you.

Never used it, but this gun doesn't seem 'user-friendly'.

Could that thing even penetrate skin?

An excellent question.

Here's the tech data: http://www.swissminigun.com/ammunition.html

The minimum threshold for skin penetration is something like .1 J/mm2.
If my math works out (and I'd ask someone to double check it please) this is just over that at .25 J/mm2.
I figure it'd break skin but not much more...

An excellent question.

Here's the tech data: http://www.swissminigun.com/ammunition.html

The minimum threshold for skin penetration is something like .1 J/mm2.
If my math works out (and I'd ask someone to double check it please) this is just over that at .25 J/mm2.
I figure it'd break skin but not much more...
It won't compare to my hangnail of doom!

It's not exactly ergonomically designed. A gun is useless if it's too small to hold and fire properly, well apart from novelty uses.




I know, you could use them to kill flys.

An excellent question.

Here's the tech data: http://www.swissminigun.com/ammunition.html

The minimum threshold for skin penetration is something like .1 J/mm2.
If my math works out (and I'd ask someone to double check it please) this is just over that at .25 J/mm2.
I figure it'd break skin but not much more...

Even in the long barreled jewel encrusted gold model?

Ban it.

:p


*Shrugs* it's a novelty item. Obviously noone will use it for serious social purposes, hopefully.

An excellent question.

Here's the tech data: http://www.swissminigun.com/ammunition.html

The minimum threshold for skin penetration is something like .1 J/mm2.
If my math works out (and I'd ask someone to double check it please) this is just over that at .25 J/mm2.
I figure it'd break skin but not much more...
I am geting .46 when I do it ... so about 4 times what is nessisary to penitrate skin

Try this:
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0600/601.htm

a single shot pistol in .50 BMG.

Aww isn't it cute.

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Never used it, but this gun doesn't seem 'user-friendly'.

This must be an early prototype. Once they've put the usual gadgets to it (knife, scissors and stuff), you'll use the tweezers to pull the trigger :)

awww that is so cuuuuteee

widdle baby gun and buwwets
http://www.swissminigun.com/img/rev_jeans.jpg

If someone pulled that out on me, I would just laugh my ass off. I would also walk away laughing my ass off.

If someone pulled that out on me, I would just laugh my ass off. I would also walk away laughing my ass off.


If I ever found out I was shot by one I'd be pretty angry.

I am geting .46 when I do it ... so about 4 times what is nessisary to penitrate skin

(Dammit Jim) I'm an English teacher, not a math teacher!</"Bones" McCoy> ;)

(Thanks. :))

It's completely harmless, has less energy than an airsoft gun.

It's completely harmless, has less energy than an airsoft gun.

Nope. It has more (unless you're using a tricked out airsoft weapon). Airsoft is limited to 1 Joule, and most come in under that. This puts out just over 1 J.

Nope. It has more (unless you're using a tricked out airsoft weapon). Airsoft is limited to 1 Joule, and most come in under that. This puts out just over 1 J.


In the US a 1J airsoft gun isn't competitive.

A .25g bb travelling at 360fps - like ones I've been shot in the face with - have 1.5 J of energy and just leave a welt.

If this little pistol shot sharp darts, they would probably stick into the skin.

It's completely harmless, has less energy than an airsoft gun.
So, just curious... are you volunteering to be shot by one of these?
For scientific purposes of course.....

So, just curious... are you volunteering to be shot by one of these?
For scientific purposes of course.....


It would be worth it to see it in action.

It would probably be more lethal if you fed it to someone.

So, just curious... are you volunteering to be shot by one of these?
For scientific purposes of course.....

I'll volunteer.

lol... post the results and pics too :p

It's a neat little novelty item. Seems harmless. I'd bet I'd still go to jail if I was caught with one here in New Jersey though.

you could conceal it under your tongue though.

:p It would probably be more lethal if you fed it to someone.

Yeah, they'd choke on it. I agree.

it could break the skin and cause a nasty infection.

it could break the skin and cause a nasty infection.
If you didn't get it removed. Hell, I'll get shot by that thing. Get a doc to remove the bullet and clean out the wound. I'd be fine.

If you didn't get it removed. Hell, I'll get shot by that thing. Get a doc to remove the bullet and clean out the wound. I'd be fine.

2 minutes, some alcohol and a kabar and I'll have you fixed up in a jiffy.

In the US a 1J airsoft gun isn't competitive.

I was not aware of that. In Japan, 1 J is the legal limit, and I can't find too many US airsoft weapons that exceed 1 J w/o being tricked out.

A .25g bb travelling at 360fps - like ones I've been shot in the face with - have 1.5 J of energy and just leave a welt.

If this little pistol shot sharp darts, they would probably stick into the skin.

The other consideration is J/mm2. That 1.5 J will be impact a larger area with a standard 6 mm airsoft pellet, with an appropriately smaller J/mm2 that the 1J impacting on 2.34 mm for SMG.

This is why small caliber pistol bullets penitrate when a MLB fastball (both roughly in the 100-130 J range) won't - the impact is spread out.

Heh, reminds me of something they might have used in that Monty Python mosquito hunting skit...

Edit: I know this is unlikly to be an overly dangerous weapon but cool none the less

Apparently in the UK they're not regulated and anyone can buy one without a license. Predictably, this has led the UK's gun control lobby to start yelling that 'children are drawn to small things like this' and 'someone could be killed.' Because, you know, it's so easy for a child to get hold of the £3,000 they'd need to buy a glorified spud-gun. :rolleyes:

I was not aware of that. In Japan, 1 J is the legal limit, and I can't find too many US airsoft weapons that exceed 1 J w/o being tricked out.



The other consideration is J/mm2. That 1.5 J will be impact a larger area with a standard 6 mm airsoft pellet, with an appropriately smaller J/mm2 that the 1J impacting on 2.34 mm for SMG.

This is why small caliber pistol bullets penitrate when a MLB fastball (both roughly in the 100-130 J range) won't - the impact is spread out.

A) A new spring is really all you need.

B) it might break the skin, but it seems very unlikely that it would penetrate to the extent that it could cause serious damage anywhere but the eye.

awww that is so cuuuuteee

widdle baby gun and buwwets
http://www.swissminigun.com/img/rev_jeans.jpg


I can so see somebody getting shot in the testicle that way.

A) A new spring is really all you need.

B) it might break the skin, but it seems very unlikely that it would penetrate to the extent that it could cause serious damage anywhere but the eye.

I'd guess it is a prandlt's punch problem. (q=cNsubc). It shouldn't be to difficult work it out with a little research,

A) A new spring is really all you need.

B) it might break the skin, but it seems very unlikely that it would penetrate to the extent that it could cause serious damage anywhere but the eye.

a) As I said, tricked out.

b) Agreeed. Which, if you look at the post where I first mentioned this, is what I said. It's over the minimum J/mm2 to break skin, but I never said it was going to do anything more... :)

http://www.swissminigun.com/gallery_steel.html

I am not normaly a gun nut but this massivly impressed me ... fuck attach that thing to your keychain and I bet you could slide it right through in the tray without them paying attention to the fancy keychain

Edit: I know this is unlikly to be an overly dangerous weapon but cool none the less

And you can just buy this thing?!?! Sorry, but coming from the UK, I have never seen a gun before...is it usual to discuss which guns are best in the US?

Not something the airline industry want people to take on their planes.

And you can just buy this thing?!?!

Yes, and? As has been pointed out, it's not even got the muzzle energy of an airsoft, and it just just slightly more likely to break the skin. Why should this be banned when airsoft is legal in the UK (http://airsoftuk.co.uk/home.php)?

The statutes in the US and Canada covering firearms don't com into effect until 5x the muzzle energy of this pistol. This one even comes in under UK law (http://www.chweston.co.uk/acatalog/Airgun_Laws.html), and might come in under Japanese (where I live, and which is noted for it's super strict firearms control) statutes), AFAIK.

Sorry, but coming from the UK, I have never seen a gun before...

Too bad. You might not comne off as blatheringly as you do now...

is it usual to discuss which guns are best in the US?

In some circles. Is it usual for those who use a said tool to discuss which ever tool (computer, car, power saw, or whatever) is best in the UK? I'd be quite surprised if that were unusual...

Handgun laws are pretty tight in Australia, but I don't know it is a handgun or a toy. Wouldn't mind one still :p

Fill the bullet with mercury. It'll take some time but at least it'd be deadly.

I was thinking something along those lines. Or ricin.

Handgun laws are pretty tight in Australia, but I don't know it is a handgun or a toy. Wouldn't mind one still :p


I can't come up with the specific statutes right off hand, but I'd expect it'd be OK. I'd be seriously surprised if Aus law were stricter than Japanese on this issue...

*kills a fly*