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My school's not the worst, but Infotech Systems, possibly my most important subject, uses an outdated version of Visual Basic. We're memorising archaic coding which I can do easier and quicker at home with a newer version of VB. :mad:

Victoria Bitter is alright!

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Ahh yeah VB ummmmm!:D

Huzzah for state grants!

I can beat that. I have had 3 C++ classes and a Java class. I know more Java than C++. Why? All my teachers in the other classes taught basic shit and how to manually create library functions.

On the upside, though, I think I'm really enjoying programming. I though it would be like maths, but I actually like the coding; every time I use code correctly it feels like I'm creating something.

It just annoys me a bit that we're learning, for example, the code to make splash screens for programs, when new IDEs just have a menu for it, making the code obsolete.

We're memorising archaic coding which I can do easier and quicker at home with a newer version of VB. :mad:

I can't say VB is my favourite, but i'll drink to that.

My school has fourty year old textbooks, and your talking about computers!!!

In my highschool, we didn't have text books for Civics or Economics, the American Flag in our History class had 48 stars, and not for the historical value but just because it was that long since they got a new one. We had a science book that said "one day we might even visit the moon" and in home-ec we had a slide show that talked about "some single women forced to work"

yeah, just about all of that was in my senior year of 2000:(

My school has no airconditioning, and this is a private school with a thousand students paying ten grand a year :mad:

I can't say i'm a fan of VB either. IMHO it has done nothing but furnish script kiddies with a new and terrible weapon. *Shudders*.

But don't despair C++ and java are way beter.

one more thing that might apply that Teh_pantless_hero might agree with:

"It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration. " --Edsger Wybe Dijkstra

I can't say VB is my favourite, but i'll drink to that.

Mmm. Well, it's Year 12, and all we do is VB. I'm really not good at self-education, so I'll wait for TAFE/Uni.

Uh, nope, my uni cost me $25K/year. And I was there for six years. Still paying for it, and I got my degree 10 years ago. :(

My school's not the worst, but Infotech Systems, possibly my most important subject, uses an outdated version of Visual Basic. We're memorising archaic coding which I can do easier and quicker at home with a newer version of VB. :mad:
VB?! Get with the times, man. :-)

Mmm. Well, it's Year 12, and all we do is VB. I'm really not good at self-education, so I'll wait for TAFE/Uni.

Save your self now. before Vb rotts your brain!

In seriousness(sp) though it's o.k. to get started with. My first programming was with VB I must say now that I havent used VB for sevral months and at the moment i'm realy into assembly language.

one more thing that might apply that Teh_pantless_hero might agree with:

"It is practically impossible to teach good programming to students that have had a prior exposure to BASIC: as potential programmers they are mentally mutilated beyond hope of regeneration. " --Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
That's a bit harsh. I started off with BASIC (on a good ol' Vic20), and now I know more languages than I could count on the fingers of one hand (in binary, of course). Just the other day I wrote this wondeful bit of code:

"+"i+""p""gtg""gt"i"p"\"\"p\"i\"gh\"o\"g+\"o\"p\"i\"gt\"i\"p\"\\\"+\\\"\\\"\\\"p
\"\"i\"gq+\"tg\"+\"i\"gq+\"\\\"i\\\"p\"+\"o\"gq+\"\\\"o\\\"p\"+\"\"gq+\"\"g+\"\"
p\"o\"gq\"o\"+\"+\"pgx"""p"\"+\"\"\"p""i"gq+"tg"+"i"gq+"\"i\"p\"\""+""gq+""g+""p
"""+""i"g+pgx

Mmm. Well, it's Year 12, and all we do is VB. I'm really not good at self-education, so I'll wait for TAFE/Uni.


http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/pg2/2003/0904/photo/vb_i.jpg

;)

Uh, nope, my uni cost me $25K/year. And I was there for six years. Still paying for it, and I got my degree 10 years ago. :(

What did you do? And, I'm doing TAFE first. TAFE shouldn't cost more than $200 a year. :D

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/pg2/2003/0904/photo/vb_i.jpg

;)
Looks like what the milkman leaves you when he really hates you...

That's a bit harsh. I started off with BASIC (on a good ol' Vic20), and now I know more languages than I could count on the fingers of one hand (in binary, of course). Just the other day I wrote this wondeful bit of code:

"+"i+""p""gtg""gt"i"p"\"\"p\"i\"gh\"o\"g+\"o\"p\"i\"gt\"i\"p\"\\\"+\\\"\\\"\\\"p
\"\"i\"gq+\"tg\"+\"i\"gq+\"\\\"i\\\"p\"+\"o\"gq+\"\\\"o\\\"p\"+\"\"gq+\"\"g+\"\"
p\"o\"gq\"o\"+\"+\"pgx"""p"\"+\"\"\"p""i"gq+"tg"+"i"gq+"\"i\"p\"\""+""gq+""g+""p
"""+""i"g+pgx

Verry well. i Digress. what does the code mean? As i said in an relier post i too started with a BASI language.

try this code:
push edx
push ecx
push eax

mov esi, bit_map

cmp eax, 0
jz fin_err_mem

PS. my school is quite cheap too.

That's a bit harsh. I started off with BASIC (on a good ol' Vic20), and now I know more languages than I could count on the fingers of one hand (in binary, of course).

I would says that's harsh. How hard can C++ be?

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/pg2/2003/0904/photo/vb_i.jpg

;)

:D

What did you do? And, I'm doing TAFE first. TAFE shouldn't cost more than $200 a year. :D

Went to one of the most expensive unis in the US, thinking that I was going to go into law and be able to pay for it with relative ease. But then I changed my career plans and took the journalism route. Journalism, unfortunately, doesn't pay nearly as well as law. :(

Verry well. i Digress. what does the code mean?
It's in a language called Smurf (http://esolangs.org/wiki/Smurf). Smurf has no primitive conditionals or looping structures - but it does have a command to execute a string as a Smurf program (throwing away all the current data in the process). The only way to make a loop is to quine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine) the program but with alterations each time to reflect changes in variables. The code above is a simple version of the Unix 'tac' command (it reverse its input).

I would says that's harsh. How hard can C++ be?

Verry.

Some parts are quite complex. Additionaly its Object orientated. I dont use it much but as I said I think its qiute hard.

It's in a language called Smurf (http://esolangs.org/wiki/Smurf). Smurf has no primitive conditionals or looping structures - but it does have a command to execute a string as a Smurf program (throwing away all the current data in the process). The only way to make a loop is to quine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine) the program but with alterations each time to reflect changes in variables. The code above is a simple version of the Unix 'tac' command (it reverse its input).

http://www.stellapower.net/smurfs/images/Smurfs/Grouchy/grouchy1.gif
"I hate Smurf!"

It's in a language called Smurf (http://esolangs.org/wiki/Smurf). Smurf has no primitive conditionals or looping structures - but it does have a command to execute a string as a Smurf program (throwing away all the current data in the process). The only way to make a loop is to quine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine) the program but with alterations each time to reflect changes in variables. The code above is a simple version of the Unix 'tac' command (it reverse its input).

Ever tied Brainfuck?

Its turning commplete. so it must be ok!

Ever tied Brainfuck?
Bah, BF is easy once you're in the right mindset - I made a multidimensional version of BF (http://esolangs.org/wiki/Sansism) to make it more interesting. Smurf is inherently difficult, due to the complex nature of quining and the need to make a quine every time you want conditional execution.

BF in a 3D memory structure. I can see how that can bee complex.

As i said before i like assembly language. it can be usefull, but only for realy low level stuff. fast though.

Looks like what the milkman leaves you when he really hates you...

It so happens that it has some notoriety for not tasting too much different.

(actually, it's not *that* bad, but eh.)

As i said before i like assembly language. it can be usefull, but only for realy low level stuff. fast though.
Ever seen Hakmem 175 (http://www.safalra.com/programming/bitbashing/hakmem175/)?

Ever seen Hakmem 175 (http://www.safalra.com/programming/bitbashing/hakmem175/)?

No. I must addmit though it's good. Not script kiddie terratory.

I can't say VB is my favourite, but i'll drink to that.
lol, it is my favourite Aussie beer.
*Hooks self up to the VB IV.*

My school's not the worst, but Infotech Systems, possibly my most important subject, uses an outdated version of Visual Basic. We're memorising archaic coding which I can do easier and quicker at home with a newer version of VB. :mad:
I learned Word Processing on a Wang.

and this was only... well less than 20 yrs ago.

Little less than 7k$ a year here.