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ever think what might have happend and what life would be like now?

for this discusion, one can pretend that they didnt attack russia so they had enough forces to take europe.

if the nazi's won, israel wont be around. so thats less problems in the middle east.

america wouldnt be the largest power and would most likely still be isolationist. thus muslims in middle east wouldnt hate the west and we wouldnt have the terrorist problem.

but of course most of us would probably be dead.

if would have been a posibility that after trying to rebuild europe, the nazi's would start to run out of efficient resources to main control over europe. and by our time resistant forces probably could push them out. also posible that ireland and brittian may not have benn taken over, i think it was hitlers initial intention. but then again, hitler was crazy.

this thread isnt for the, "nazi's were evil, wha wha wha" people.
or for the "hitler rocked" people.
just a friendly discusion.

Germany and Japan would own the world.
I wouldn't be here.
82% of NSers think this is a good thing.:p
Teh Web wouldn't have been invented!:(

The Nazi's never had a chance...

...they were planning for a Total War...they just didn't plan on the war starting in 1939...more like 1943, AFTER they had finished annexing Eastern Europe and building up their armed forces.

The war was practically already over when France and Britain declared war...despite early Nazi gains.

Granted, Britain was going to have one hell of a time trying to defeat them on it's own, and it's debatable as to whether Britain could even do so. But then Germany and Japan did them huge favors by dragging the Soviet Union and the U.S. into the war.

At that point, it was all over...only a matter of time.

Pretty simple. 1948 or around there, after germany has faced 5 years of attrition by resistance movements supplied by britain and co., the Soviet Union makes a giant plunge through europe, taking berlin and "liberating" the rest of europe.

By this time? Soviet union has been collapsed for ages, europe is in shambles, the united states never properly regained power. The main powers of the world are Japan, with huge control over the pacific, china, and australia, as well as Brazil.

Even if the Nazi's had won there would have been a global resistance. I doubt that they would have been able to take on the US. Perhaps if Hitler just kept his ambitions to a European level he might have had better sucess.

You said there would be no Israel and hence less problems in the Middle East?

This is true, but another problem of the same scale would exist else where.

Plus NS would be in German

NS wouldn't even exist! Let alone the internet as we know it...I spose there are a few scenarios that have been played out in literature, such as the US being divided into a Japanese and German protectorate like in Man in the High Castle. by Philip K. Dick. Or in Fatherland, Europe has been organized into a Nazi-dominated European Union, and Russia has been absorbed into a greater German Reich. If there's an alternate future, it's probably already been played out in a Sci-Fi book. :D

NS wouldn't even exist! Let alone the internet as we know it...I spose there are a few scenarios that have been played out in literature, such as the US being divided into a Japanese and German protectorate like in Man in the High Castle. by Philip K. Dick. Or in Fatherland, Europe has been organized into a Nazi-dominated European Union, and Russia has been absorbed into a greater German Reich. If there's an alternate future, it's probably already been played out in a Sci-Fi book. :D

ever think what might have happend and what life would be like now?I for one, wouldn't have been around to see it.

for this discusion, one can pretend that they didnt attack russia so they had enough forces to take europe.Actually, it might have ended with atom bombs being dropped on Germany. Just because Russia wasn't in doesn't necessarily mean Germany would have won.

if the nazi's won, israel wont be around. so thats less problems in the middle east.That's not certain. Depending on how far the Nazis made it, it could well be that Palestine wouldn't have been under their control. There were already a large number of Jews in Palestine at the time and they might have well declared their independence.

america wouldnt be the largest power and would most likely still be isolationist. thus muslims in middle east wouldnt hate the west and we wouldnt have the terrorist problem.Why not?

but of course most of us would probably be dead.I wouldn't be :p (see above)

Hogan's Heroes would be about a group of bungling POW spies who are constantly outwitted by the clever and efficient guards that run the prison.

The Nazi's never had a chance...

...they were planning for a Total War...they just didn't plan on the war starting in 1939...more like 1943, AFTER they had finished annexing Eastern Europe and building up their armed forces.

The war was practically already over when France and Britain declared war...despite early Nazi gains.

Granted, Britain was going to have one hell of a time trying to defeat them on it's own, and it's debatable as to whether Britain could even do so. But then Germany and Japan did them huge favors by dragging the Soviet Union and the U.S. into the war.

At that point, it was all over...only a matter of time.
Not really. Hitler was spoiling for a war as early as the annexation of the Czechs.

Well then, if the Nazi's had won, and the Japanese as well, then my father would not have survived his sojourn in a boncentratium bamp. Nor the rest of his family, I might add.

Not really. Hitler was spoiling for a war as early as the annexation of the Czechs.

He certainly wanted a war...but IIRC, the bigwigs were counting on continued appeasment policies from Britain and France to allow them a few extra years to build up their armed forces.

He certainly wanted a war...but IIRC, the bigwigs were counting on continued appeasment policies from Britain and France to allow them a few extra years to build up their armed forces.Bigwigs meaning his cronies? Can well be. Goering was more interested in peace since war was something that could threaten his lavish and luxurious lifestyle.

Bigwigs meaning his cronies? Can well be. Goering was more interested in peace since war was something that could threaten his lavish and luxurious lifestyle.

I think he meant his planners.

Remember that Raeder said that the Kriegsmarine could ( now being 1939 ) now merely show that it could die galantly.
( the Z-plan was based on war not before 1944. )
The Kriegsmarine did so indeed.

Not all of Hitler's senior staff were quite as degenere as Goering.

That's not certain. Depending on how far the Nazis made it, it could well be that Palestine wouldn't have been under their control. There were already a large number of Jews in Palestine at the time and they might have well declared their independence.
Wasn't Hitler planning on forcing the jews into Palestine and what not, then surrounding them and destroying the whole area?

If I'm not making sense, sorry, tis early..

Hogan's Heroes would be about a group of bungling POW spies who are constantly outwitted by the clever and efficient guards that run the prison.
And Allo Allo would be about Rich ass Nazi's with Jewish Gold, Wine and Paintings!

Wasn't Hitler planning on forcing the jews into Palestine and what not, then surrounding them and destroying the whole area?

If I'm not making sense, sorry, tis early..There was a plan to evict all Jews to Madagascar, but that got dropped when they decided on killing them all.

There was a plan to evict all Jews to Madagascar, but that got dropped when they decided on killing them all.
Only because the nile hadn't had been secured...

Even if the Nazi's had won there would have been a global resistance. I doubt that they would have been able to take on the US. Perhaps if Hitler just kept his ambitions to a European level he might have had better sucess.
Or maybe he could just use the whole of Europe as a manufacturing base, and create the kind of fleet that could transport pretty much the whole adult male population of Europe into America with ease and win in that fashion.
You said there would be no Israel and hence less problems in the Middle East?

This is true, but another problem of the same scale would exist else where.
Where and why?
Plus NS would be in German
Wie Schade, eh?



But yeah, it would have been pretty sad indeed. Fascism is pretty rubbish, especially when it involves killing millions of people for ethnic reasons.

Alright, so let's suppose Nazi Germany 'won' WWII. Stalin and Hitler each stay on their respective sides of their divided Poland. The United States enters the war on the side of the Allies after the bombing of Pearl Harbour, and succeeds in it's war against Japan. However, the war in Europe was really won by the Soviets. A determined D-Day in Europe would be far less successful with Germany concentrating it's forces in Western Europe.

My guess, is that you would have a 3-way cold war; Germany vs. USSR vs. US/UK. The race to build 'the bomb' was a pretty close one, as far as I could tell. If we're supposing that Nazi Germany is still around, then it's safe to say that no one has used them on 'the major powers' yet.

The middle-east would still be an issue. It would be divided amongst the three big ideologies. The stigma around fascism would be less, due to the less well-publicised 'final solution', and the fact that some in the west would see it as a sucessful alternative; after all, it 'won' the war.

Civil freedoms would be much curtailed in the west, I believe.

A friend of mine once ran a RPG based on a post-apocalyptical setting in which Germany was victorious thanks to the invention of the a-bomb.

Basically, FDR died before the lend-lease agreement had been finalised, leaving England to struggle against Germany on its own. England, in an uneasy alliance with Russia, opposed Germany until 1946 – at which point the Russian armies were destroyed, virtually overnight, by a gigantic nuclear strike against the eastern front. With Russia out of the picture, England was powerless to stop a massive invasion. Southern England fell quickly, but Montgomery managed to stabilise a front with London as its centre – that is, until a series of nukes forced him to withdraw to Scotland.

The US is doing a bit better – but not much. With FDR out of the picture, Hover has taken over and runs a tight show – basically making the communist scare under McCarthy looking like a summer picnic. Scared by the prospect of Germany as the sole nuclear power in the world, American scientists made their own a-bombs in 1948 and promptly used them to reduce Japan to a smouldering ruin.

Currently, the world is caught in a long nuclear winter – Europe’s been covered by snow for the last three years and famine is killing thousands every day. Germany and US is keeping an eye on each other, but the threat of MAD has so far kept hostilities to a minimum.


As for the real world, I don’t think that it would have been quite as bad. I truth, I don’t think that Germany would ever have won. Had they kept out of Russia and Africa they might have consolidated their grip on Europe. But even then, they would have had to take England – something that they probably would not have been able to do. Luftwaffe had been seriously mauled by the English fighters, and with no air cover a cross-channel invasion would have been suicide. And even if they, by some miracle, had managed to take England, there’d still be Russia to worry about. Basically, no matter what Germany had done, US and Russia would still be opposed to them – and there’d be no way they could handle either of them – let alone both at the same time.

The only way I can envision a German victory is through the use of nuclear weapons. Had Germany managed to build a handful of nukes, things might have been very different now…

I think if Nazis had won, they would have been particularly cruel to Britain- aside from wanting to conquer Britain, I think Hitler had a huge personal animosity toward the British.
The nazi occupation of Britain would have been a lot different that the occupation of France.

If the nazi's won it would be Baby Hitler's Nationstates, and not Max Barrys

Well, if the Nazis won, I'd be pissed at the rest of the world. I really would. The US would probably have joined a union with Canada in the late forties early fifties, nuclear arsenals would be even bigger than they are now, and I'd probably have been drafted into the National Defense Forces. My ability to speak German would be highly prized by the intelligence services, and based on my appearance and ethnicity, I might find myself as a field agent in Germany. Probably trying to steal the Nazis plans for some secret weapon or another.

Well, if Nazi Germany had won the war things would probably suck, as far as civil liberties are concerned, but I bet they wouldn't allow the forming of plural nouns by adding 's.

World War II games would be a lot different, that's for sure.

I think if Nazis had won, they would have been particularly cruel to Britain- aside from wanting to conquer Britain, I think Hitler had a huge personal animosity toward the British.
The nazi occupation of Britain would have been a lot different that the occupation of France.
...Hitler admired Britain more than any other country.

He had a dislike for the French.

Yes, I can see how the occupation would be different, but not in the way you described.

Well the Nazis wouldn't stop with Europe, they, at least hitler, wanted the world. After Europe they would've went for the Middle east and its oil. Probably triggering Oil wars with any other Superpower not yet defeated. And during the war the several middleastern nations supported the Nazis, but if the Nazi's actually rolled in would perhaps Islam started a Jihad?

Besides that however, with Germany's advanced Rocketry program, they would've been trying for space by the early 50's. So would America and Russia if they had the drive to do so, it would be cool if that woulda led to a space war in like the 70's on the moon or something....

I'm part Jewish and part Asian. Hey, did you guys know Hitler was part Jewish? He's just like Lord Voldemort! Voldemort is half muggle! Isn't that crazy? I bet they'd hang out if Hitler hadn't been destroyed.

if the nazi's won, israel wont be around. so thats less problems in the middle east.
When exactly did Israel become the problem? I think the Taliban, and the Jihad and such are the problem. Not their enemies.
If the Nazis won, we would have a lot to cope with, but I am certain, a rebellion would spring-up sooner-or-later and the "Purebloods" would lose power.

Hey, did you guys know Hitler was part Jewish?
:eek:

...Hitler admired Britain more than any other country.

He had a dislike for the French.

Yes, I can see how the occupation would be different, but not in the way you described.


maybe I'm mistaken then. I thought Hitler hated the British. I though he deliberately fired the V2 rockets on them when he knew they would be sitting down to a meal.
I really thought he hated them,even more than you would hate someone you are fighting.

Hey, did you guys know Hitler was part Jewish?

I don't believe that for one second.

maybe I'm mistaken then. I thought Hitler hated the British. I though he deliberately fired the V2 rockets on them when he knew they would be sitting down to a meal.
I really thought he hated them,even more than you would hate someone you are fighting.

Hitler saw the Brits as Germany's natural allies, and admired them hugely for the empire.

For example, in 1942, "Everything about the behaviour of American society reveals that it's half Judaised, and the other half negrified. How can one expect a State like that to hold together—a State where 80 per cent of the revenue is drained away for the public purse—a country where everything is built on the dollar? From this point of view, I consider the British State very much superiour."

Maybe by the end of the war, when he fired the V2s, he hated them because he knew he was being defeated, but at the start/middle when any occupation of Britain would happen, he admired them immensely. He even said in Mein Kampf (IIRC) that Britain was Germany's natural ally, and that he envisaged a world where Germany ruled Europe, and Britain ruled elsewhere.

maybe I'm mistaken then. I thought Hitler hated the British. I though he deliberately fired the V2 rockets on them when he knew they would be sitting down to a meal.
I really thought he hated them,even more than you would hate someone you are fighting.
No, he admired them. Something to do with being Anglo-Saxon, close to Aryan.

This can be seen in his refusal to destroy the BEF at Dunkirk when they were sitting ducks. He waited and waited, and when he finally pushed forward they were already leaving.

He hoped (initially) for a peaceful co-existence with the British so he could wheel East.

The Nazi's never had a chance...

...they were planning for a Total War...they just didn't plan on the war starting in 1939...more like 1943, AFTER they had finished annexing Eastern Europe and building up their armed forces.

The war was practically already over when France and Britain declared war...despite early Nazi gains.

Granted, Britain was going to have one hell of a time trying to defeat them on it's own, and it's debatable as to whether Britain could even do so. But then Germany and Japan did them huge favors by dragging the Soviet Union and the U.S. into the war.

At that point, it was all over...only a matter of time.

Heres where you were wrong, France barely put up a fight, and Britian was so incapable of fighting they started building wooden artillery and wooden camps. Guess what happend? Nazi airstrikes dropped wooden bombs. No lie either, Nazi germany was practically toying with britian, and they could have taken them over if they wanted to, but they decided not to for foolish reasons.

Also Nazi Germany had major influences in Argentina, Mexico, and Brazil. And then some in Spain. Not only that but the U.S. had a population of 45% against the war with Germany (Not Japan).

And a list of other countries allied with the nazis were romania, finland, bulgaria, and hungary etc.

But if Nazi Germany took us over I think most of us wouldn't care, Take the radical left will love nazi germany for the social policies, and the radical right will love them for their nationalism.

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Indeed, Hitler looked on things such as the domination of X-hundred-million Indians by a few thousand Anglo-Saxons as proof of his racial theories, and early on was hopeful of peace if not even outright alliance with the British. If that had happened, then the world really would be screwed, with British help taken away from the US atomic programme and delivered into the hands of the Nazis. Otherwise I can't see Germany ever winning the nuclear race.

Assuming that in virtually no realistic alternative universe would the British have joined Germany against France et cetera and even the USA, I don't have much time for theories in which Britain is defeated even if she continues to stand alone for years. Certainly it would be hard for the British alone to dislodge the Germans, and likely impossible without the Soviets at least, but, in reality, Operation Sealion was scrubbed long before the USA even entered the war (putting paid to all that, 'we saved your ass' nonsense) and I don't see anyone without a magic wand in hand able to explain what the RAF and, perhaps more importantly, the RN are doing while the pitiful maritime strength of the Reich is staggering across the Channel.

Much German strenght would have arrived on the south coast before the bulk of the RN could arrive from the far north, but as much strength as would have been available down south, along with coastal defences, would surely have meant a slaughter of German troops assaulting the British isles. Then, even if they somehow got ashore in large numbers, they've still not stopped the Royal Navy, which within hours or at least days would be behind them, shelling their beachheads into oblivion, cutting their line of supply and escape route, and serving as a loss to the Germans on the scale of that which they were supposed to face on the eastern front.

Uhm, but I suppose this doesn't say much about what would have happened if the Nazis won, heh. [Ponders]

Well, I suppose it'd pretty much suck.

More? Oh. Perhaps how they win is fundamentally important, then. I dunno. I can't get past that it'd suck more than reality already does.

Unless perhaps it sparked revolution on a really international stage. Would partisans across Europe fight their way to victory individually with understandible nationalist sentiment? Or end up, years after the end of the war, rising en masse from Iberia to Albania and Sicily to Scandinavia in long awaited worker's revolution against the oppressive Fascist empires?

Perhaps there's a tiny outside chance that, after years/decades of extra suffering, things would ultimately have worked out better?

Although I suppose the Russians/Americans/Japanese or whoever else remained powerful would be keen to step in and strangle such popular movement.

Ah well, I'm going for a walk.

Heres where you were wrong, France barely put up a fight, and Britian was so incapable of fighting they started building wooden artillery and wooden camps. Guess what happend? Nazi airstrikes dropped wooden bombs. No lie either, Nazi germany was practically toying with britian, and they could have taken them over if they wanted to, but they decided not to for foolish reasons.

No they couldn't. Under most simulations undertaken (and in particular one done by Sandhurst involving British and German generals from WW2) it was found that a German invasion of Britain was near impossible. The Germans supply was attacked by the RAF over the channel (since the Germans were unable to get air superiority) and they would only get so far before, after just a few days, their supply was completely cut off by the Royal Navy which had made it to the Channel from Scapa Flow. The vast network of stop-lines criss-crossing the UK also made it almost impossible for the Germans to make any deep advance quickly.

Without supply or the possibility of reinforcement, the British Army (which was mainly in the UK) and the irregular troops were able to surround the German forces and force them to surrender.

Heres where you were wrong, France barely put up a fight, and Britian was so incapable of fighting they started building wooden artillery and wooden camps. Guess what happend? Nazi airstrikes dropped wooden bombs. No lie either, Nazi germany was practically toying with britian, and they could have taken them over if they wanted to, but they decided not to for foolish reasons.
Doubtful. The German fleet was incapable of performing an invasion of Great Britain. Even if th entirety of the German U-Boat fleet had been deployed to the Channel, it's unlikely that they could have incapacitated the Royal Navy and RAF enough to get an invasion force across. And if they had, the entirety of the British armored units were in Britain. A massive armored counter-attack is a sure-fire way to break a seaborne invasion.

Doubtful. The German fleet was incapable of performing an invasion of Great Britain. Even if th entirety of the German U-Boat fleet had been deployed to the Channel, it's unlikely that they could have incapacitated the Royal Navy and RAF enough to get an invasion force across. And if they had, the entirety of the British armored units were in Britain. A massive armored counter-attack is a sure-fire way to break a seaborne invasion.

Yea. Totally.

I mean, look at how difficult D-day was, and that was fought with massive air and naval superiority.

Even then it needed the germans to be deceived as to where the blow was really going to strike and favorable weather to have a more than fair chance of sucess.

Germany just did not have the type of logisitics to launch a similary operation against an even better defended enemy.

The US would be fine, but a lot of Jews wouldn't be.

The Nazi's never had a chance...

...they were planning for a Total War...they just didn't plan on the war starting in 1939...more like 1943, AFTER they had finished annexing Eastern Europe and building up their armed forces.

The war was practically already over when France and Britain declared war...despite early Nazi gains.

Granted, Britain was going to have one hell of a time trying to defeat them on it's own, and it's debatable as to whether Britain could even do so. But then Germany and Japan did them huge favors by dragging the Soviet Union and the U.S. into the war.

At that point, it was all over...only a matter of time.

Subsequent to Stalingrad, of course not. However, do not forget quite how close Hitler was to Moscow, and, concurrently, the defeat of the USSR.

I don't believe that for one second.

One of his grandfathers might have been Jewish, because his mother (I think) was illegitimate or something of that sort.

One of the candidates for his mother's father was a Jew. But I'm far from sure.

This is an interesting thought – but of course it all depends on your definition of winning. You could mean they defeated everyone and conquered the world, or they just controlled all of Europe and Africa, or any other level of meaning.

For purposes of this discussion I will choose to take the situation as if the US never got involved with the war in Europe (instead just focusing on Japan – a logical decision given that the US was fairly insignificant at the time so getting back into the mess in Europe was seen by many as not an American priority), the Axis negotiated a cease fire with the USSR at Stalingrad wherein they gain control of Estonia and pretty much everything west of the Don river in the south, and held everything north of the Sahara. Spain and the other neutral powers eventually fall under the German sphere of influence, so basically the neutrals and the other European Axis members become either German puppets or so closely aligned that it doesn’t matter anyway.

While I do agree that the RAF were formidable, and most importantly their decentralized command and control systems (which I think is a major reason why they were able to keep air superiority), the UK would have eventually fallen. During the war, there was no way Germany could have invaded, but once you eliminate the fighting with the USSR, and eliminate its shortage of oil, and the domination of the rest of Europe, Germany could focus its entire war effort on the UK.

Keep in mind that air superiority was not total control and in no way prevented the continual bombing of London or other cities, so it merely made air support tricky. A combination of the navy and air force could have prevented an invasion for a while, eventually they would have succumbed to the overwhelming firepower, productive capacity, and special weapons of the Germans. Without having to worry about the rest, Germans would have been able to use their developing ultra-long range artillery, V2 rockets, and jet bombers to bomb them into submission. Not to mention, with the US not involved, they would not have had the supplies to carry on the war effort for long (U-boats would have easily been sufficient to keep much coming from the rest of the empire).

Anyway, I’ve rambled on about that too much already…

The effect of a German victory, and their subsequent domination of Europe and northern Africa, would have probably been rather multi-faceted. Any kind of religious or ethnic tolerance would be out the window, so the minority populations of Europe would have been subjugated and probably deported (which was the plan early on, and was only really changed to mass extermination as Hitler became more mentally unstable). Hitler’s condition would have continued degenerating naturally, so he probably would have been dead by 1947 anyway. This allows others a little more rational to take over.

One mistake a lot of people make is to think that if A (a contributing factor) then B (some innovation) would never happen. This is not true at all – just because Germany controlled Europe does not mean the internet wouldn’t ever be developed. Some inventions may be developed a little later, some a little earlier.

The space race was built on what German research the US and USSR could steal from the Germans. Rocketry (and thus satellites) would have been years ahead, as would aircraft, jet engines, and a whole slew of other technologies.

Computers would most definitely be developed, and a way for computers to talk to each other would have been developed, and thus the internet would have been developed – it may have taken a couple more years without the DARPA push, or it could have been developed even earlier through some German program, but to say that technologies would not progress is idiotic.

Without Hitler’s mania about Jews, and his focus on extermination of lesser peoples, a German win would not mean a total genocide. There would have been some pretty severe xenophobia in Europe, but certainly not this whole ‘there would be no one other than blond haired blue eyed people left in the world’ focus some people have.

Germany did have some of the best engineering in the world, combined with a big push for developing newer and better technologies, they would have made some amazing advancements.

Some of their ideas had a pretty good foundation – to throw everything out because it was tainted by some association with the Nazis is silly.

They instilled a strong sense of community, they idealized the push for personal improvement, even made sure everyone was physically fit (something the US desperately needs to do). They had a good national health system, strove to make automobiles and other durable goods affordable for everyone (of course the war kind of got in the way of that), and developed their economy with great efficiency (taking it from being worthless to an economic powerhouse in only a couple years).

One idea, taken in moderation, was actually one I am sorry got thrown out. They had a breeding program which encouraged healthy people to have more children and people with genetic diseases were not allowed to pass that on (I happen to agree with encouraging good genetic stock to spread as much as possible while discouraging poor genetics – not to the point of forced sterilization, but it is a good idea nonetheless).

Unfortunately for even having said that anything vaguely German could be anything but an evil will get me flamed, but I happen to look at things with logic rather than immediately discount everything someone says just because I don’t like them.

Speaking of which… Hitler was a vegetarian… all vegetarians must be Nazis or they wouldn’t be spurning this good Texas beef! Hitler also discouraged smoking, so anyone who doesn’t smoke is spurning that good Virginia grown tobacco, they must be a Nazi!

Anyway, I've rambled on long enough – suffice it to say that ponderings about historical ‘what ifs’ have filled many a book. One of which I recommend is Harry Turtledove’s series which looks at one small bit of happenstance during the American Civil War and takes it on from there – basically the South won, the US was split, and he looks at how things developed after that.

I wouldn't be here.

I wouldn't be here.
Well.. *goes back in time*

The US would be fine, but a lot of Jews wouldn't be.

The Slavs wouldn't have too much of a picnic either =(

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

If the nazi's won it would be Baby Hitler's Nationstates, and not Max Barrys
Gobbels wouldn't allow a web!
Even in his 160 year old state!

Well.. *goes back in time*


*DM dissapears*

One of his grandfathers might have been Jewish, because his mother (I think) was illegitimate or something of that sort.

One of the candidates for his mother's father was a Jew. But I'm far from sure.

it was a posibility that his grandfather was jewish, but there was no record of his grandfather so it cannot be confirmed or refuted. anyway i think under jewish law, your mother has to be a jew in order to be jewish. not sure, i'm not jewish.

At that point, it was all over...only a matter of time.[/QUOTE]

What i admire is this.

Britain was all alone, nearly all the world againts them and facism taking over the world and one small island said 'NO'

If it wasnt for British spirit my friends WW2 would have been a lost caused (and im Australian so HA)

LONG LIVE BRITTANIA!!!!!

At that point, it was all over...only a matter of time.

What i admire is this.

Britain was all alone, nearly all the world againts them and facism taking over the world and one small island said 'NO'

If it wasnt for British spirit my friends WW2 would have been a lost caused (and im Australian so HA)

LONG LIVE BRITTANIA!!!!![/QUOTE]

What about the Russians telling the Germans F**k you when they were asked if they would love to be conquered by the third reich.

Subsequent to Stalingrad, of course not. However, do not forget quite how close Hitler was to Moscow, and, concurrently, the defeat of the USSR.

The fall of Moscow would not necessarily have been the end of the Soviet Union. Most of the necessary industry needed to keep on fighting had already been moved to the east, and Germany still had a LONG way to go to actually end the Soviet threat.

The Soviets weren't going to stop fighting...not with Stalin in control. Germany would have had to end the threat of Soviet reenforcement, meaning a continued push to the east even AFTER Moscow had fallen.

What i admire is this.

Britain was all alone, nearly all the world againts them and facism taking over the world and one small island said 'NO'

If it wasnt for British spirit my friends WW2 would have been a lost caused (and im Australian so HA)

LONG LIVE BRITTANIA!!!!!

What about the Russians telling the Germans F**k you when they were asked if they would love to be conquered by the third reich.[/QUOTE]
That was thanks to British suppiles being sent through the North Sea and Arctic and through Iran nothing more...

What about the Russians telling the Germans F**k you when they were asked if they would love to be conquered by the third reich.
That was thanks to British suppiles being sent through the North Sea and Arctic and through Iran nothing more...[/QUOTE]

Don't exegerate, they did help, but the Russians managed to win through sheer resources and Hitler trying to be a strategist and general which he was not.