NationStates Jolt Archive

COMMENTARY: Hopefully they'll be released soon. On the bright side, kidnapping foreigners is the Palestinian equivalent of a job application for underemployed gunmen, who usually want salaries from the PA as a ransom. Most of these incidents get settled within hours, once money changes hands.

Lovely people...give them a state.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060814/ts_nm/mideast_gaza_kidnapping_dc

I despise the actions of those who have taken the journalists hostage. I think journalists are vital to an understanding of the true causes of events and should be accorded some measure of protection against being caught up in said events.

However, to address your second point.
I think the Americans killed journalists during their last war.
What should we do with them?
And I know that the IDF murdered a British journalist recently (proven in a civil and military court).
What should we do with them?

I'd like to drop some line about how it's only Fox News Journalists, but that would be inappropriate.

I hope they are set free soon and return home unhurt and safely :(

However, to address your second point.
I think the Americans killed journalists during their last war.
What should we do with them?
And I know that the IDF murdered a British journalist recently (proven in a civil and military court).
What should we do with them?
Deliberately? Did the IDF or "the amerikkkans" demand a ransom for journalists they may have killed or captured?

I'd like to drop some line about how it's only Fox News Journalists, but that would be inappropriate.


I don't see why you shouldn't when the OP came up with this comment.


Lovely people...give them a state.


Nice one. You racist idiot.

I don't see why you shouldn't when the OP came up with this comment.



Nice one. You racist idiot.

Umm, how was that a racist comment?

Deliberately?
You can argue over the US killings, depends if you believe the eye witness reports or not but the murders of Tom Hurndall & James Miller have been proven in a British Court of Law.

Did the IDF or "the amerikkkans" demand a ransom for journalists they may have killed or captured?

No. They just killed them in cold blood.

Personally, I would rather know that I can pay some cash and get my loved ones back than have to see them come back in body bag safe in the knowledge that the murdering bastards who did this will never have to face justice for what they have done.

I must resist the urge to say 'it couldn't have happened to nicer blokes.'

... Damnit.

I'm just messing with you, gentlemen. I do hope for their safe return, then prompt retirement from news forever. Followed, like lemmings, by the rest of the staff of Fox.

its only foxnews journalists!

when they open their mouth, the palestinians will pay to get rid of them i tell you!

Umm, how was that a racist comment?

Making a negative judgement of all palestinians based on the negative actions of a few individuals.
Suggesting that the 6 1/2 million palestinian refugees across the world subsequently have no right to a state and should remain in exile.

Seemed pretty racist to me.

Something tells me FOX News ID is going to be difficult to explain away in those parts. :D

They could have at least arranged to "work for someone else." Silly people.

Something tells me FOX News ID is going to be difficult to explain away in those parts. :D

They could have at least arranged to "work for someone else." Silly people.
"No, no... we're from the Canadian division."

Seriously, that sucks. Hopefully they'll come out of it alive.

I despise the actions of those who have taken the journalists hostage. I think journalists are vital to an understanding of the true causes of events and should be accorded some measure of protection against being caught up in said events.

However, to address your second point.
I think the Americans killed journalists during their last war.
What should we do with them?
And I know that the IDF murdered a British journalist recently (proven in a civil and military court).
What should we do with them?

Journalists? I thought he said the worked for FOX?

Journalists? I thought he said the worked for FOX?
Entertainers being kidnapped is no less a tragedy.

Entertainers being kidnapped is no less a tragedy.

that only applies to clowns.

so it is relevent here.

Sorry, the milk of human kindness has gone off. I could not even so much as begin to summon up feelings akin to having the remotest scintilla of sympathy for these purported 'journalists'.

Sorry, the milk of human kindness has gone off. I could not even so much as begin to summon up feelings akin to having the remotest scintilla of sympathy for these purported 'journalists'.

who cares who they work for their hostages. that means people will kill them if they anoy them too much or they aren't payed. and then they have to live knowing that they were only worth so many dollars.

Well, I can't say I didn't expect the gloating when I saw that headline.. meh.

They've got money.. it should work itself out.

Well, I can't say I didn't expect the gloating when I saw that headline.. meh.

They've got money.. it should work itself out.

what if it doesn't and they die.

fox may have some real news to report on then.

I hope they make it out okay.

It might be in the their best interest to not tell their captors what news channel they work for. *nod*

what if it doesn't and they die.

fox may have some real news to report on then.
That being the case, do you suppose the captives trust their employers to pony up the dough?

Bums on seats, laddy. Bums on seats. There's whole warehouses of useless shit that needs selling out there across the midwest.

what if it doesn't and they die.

fox may have some real news to report on then.

If they die they get replaced and Fox runs a 15-second blurb about what great husbands/fathers/friends/etc. the guys were, and we forget about it..

I hope they get out fine, but no one's going to remember them if they don't. I'm just not a big fan of gloating over the demise of a political enemy.. I even felt bad for the family of the Senator whose plane went down, basically guaranteeing an easy pick-up.. that's not the way I'd want to win in any case, even if it were the only way.

I'd like to drop some line about how it's only Fox News Journalists, but that would be inappropriate.

I hope they are set free soon and return home unhurt and safely :(
That's right. Where's Peter Arnett when you _really_ need him?

Making a negative judgement of all palestinians based on the negative actions of a few individuals.
Suggesting that the 6 1/2 million palestinian refugees across the world subsequently have no right to a state and should remain in exile.

Seemed pretty racist to me.

Sounds pretty reasonable that Palistinians wered dancing in the streets on 9/11.

Hope they stay in exile for a long time. Troublemakers.

If they die they get replaced and Fox runs a 15-second blurb about what great husbands/fathers/friends/etc. the guys were, and we forget about it..

I hope they get out fine, but no one's going to remember them if they don't. I'm just not a big fan of gloating over the demise of a political enemy.. I even felt bad for the family of the Senator whose plane went down, basically guaranteeing an easy pick-up.. that's not the way I'd want to win in any case, even if it were the only way.

Too bad they didn't take Geraldo.

No. They just killed them in cold blood.

Personally, I would rather know that I can pay some cash and get my loved ones back than have to see them come back in body bag safe in the knowledge that the murdering bastards who did this will never have to face justice for what they have done.
You don't really believe that, do you? That Americans soldiers kill journalits in "cold blood."

Making a negative judgement of all palestinians based on the negative actions of a few individuals.
Suggesting that the 6 1/2 million palestinian refugees across the world subsequently have no right to a state and should remain in exile.

Seemed pretty racist to me.

Ah, yes, any negative statements about Palestinians are racist, defending Israel for defending itself is racist against Palestinians, mentioning the fact that only Palestinians in the mid east are suicide bombers is racist...I was merely suggesting that if the Palestinians were given their "own" state, it would be mostly likely run by thugs, it wouldn't be a utopian paradise.

Of course, you just felt moral superiority in calling me racist and that's the real reason why you did it, you don't care about the Palestinians.

Sounds pretty reasonable that Palistinians wered dancing in the streets on 9/11.
And that has what to do with what DHomme said?

You don't really believe that, do you? That Americans soldiers kill journalits in "cold blood."

The IDF killed James Miller, not the U.S.

We must dispatch terry waite to secure their release.

And that has what to do with what DHomme said?
Seems to me like it was a justification for hating Palestinians.

The IDF killed James Miller, not the U.S.
And they did it deliberately? In cold blood?

Hezbollah is glad when people die, Israel is sad and even apologizes if they are Palestinian, and this is a fact.

And they did it deliberately? In cold blood?
Yes. "Murdered" I believe was the word used by the court.

A jury spokeswoman said: "We, the jury, unanimously agree this was an unlawful shooting with the intention of killing Mr James Miller.

"Therefore we can come to no other conclusion than that Mr Miller was indeed murdered."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/devon/4883442.stm

Too bad they didn't take Geraldo.

They'd succumb to moustache hypnosis and give up.. 10 bucks. :)

Yes. "Murdered" I believe was the word used by the court.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/devon/4883442.stm
So in the last 3 years you can only find one example? Never mind how many people the Palestinians kill and behead, right?

Mr. Miller was making a film about a Palestinian refugee camp. Considering that the reason these camps exist is to prevent suicide bombers, or martyrs, as you would say, come from them to kill Jews in Israel. When some Western journalists tries to build sympathy for these maniacs, he isn't worth two pounds of dirt.

Of course killing him was taking it too far.

So in the last 3 years you can only find one example?
No, there are many other examples if you even try to scrape the surface of the internet. You asked about the journalist being murdered 'in cold blood' and I showed you the proof.

Now you say one example isn't enough? I pity your ethical standards.

Never mind how many people the Palestinians kill and behead, right?
Honestly, I don't recall the last time the Palestinians beheaded someone, Western or no. And that still has nothing to do with the IDF murdering Western journalists (which was the point you were asking about).

Mr. Miller was making a film about a Palestinian refugee camp. Considering that the reason these camps exist is to prevent suicide bombers, or martyrs, as you would say, come from them to kill Jews in Israel. When some Western journalists tries to build sympathy for these maniacs, he isn't worth two pounds of dirt.
How civilised of you. People who do humanitarian work aren't worth "two pounds of dirt" either in your eyes then I take it?

Of course killing him was taking it too far.
You think?

No, there are many other examples if you even try to scrape the surface of the internet. You asked about the journalist being murdered 'in cold blood' and I showed you the proof.

Now you say one example isn't enough? I pity your ethical standards.

Honestly, I don't recall the last time the Palestinians beheaded someone, Western or no. And that still has nothing to do with the IDF murdering Western journalists (which was the point you were asking about).

How civilised of you. People who do humanitarian work aren't worth "two pounds of dirt" either in your eyes then I take it?

You think?
You think the Palestinians are better than the Israelis. Let me ask you a question, where would rather raise your kids? Israel or Jordan?

The Palestinians (not all, but many) send their kids into Israel to kill Jews.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/bal-te.mideast15mar15,0,948922.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bomber

These are just a few examples. I highly urge you to examine the wikipedia article.

I would say that I pity your ethical standards (or lack thereof) but that wouldn't be true, since I feel nothing but contempt for you. You think the Palestinians are just some innocent farmers and the Israelis are murdering Zionists, don't you?

The Israelis are the victims, not the perpetrators.

Mr. Miller wasn't doing humanitarian work. He was building sympathy for people who would kill every Jew in Israel if they had the chance. Why not do a documentary on Jewish families in Israel who have had relatives murdered by Palestinians?

You think the Palestinians are better than the Israelis. Let me ask you a question, where would rather raise your kids? Israel or Jordan?

The Palestinians (not all, but many) send their kids into Israel to kill Jews.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/bal-te.mideast15mar15,0,948922.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bomber

These are just a few examples. I highly urge you to examine the wikipedia article.

I would say that I pity your ethical standards (or lack thereof) but that wouldn't be true, since I feel nothing but contempt for you. You think the Palestinians are just some innocent farmers and the Israelis are murdering Zionists, don't you?

The Israelis are the victims, not the perpetrators.

Mr. Miller wasn't doing humanitarian work. He was building sympathy for people who would kill every Jew in Israel if they had the chance. Why not do a documentary on Jewish families in Israel who have had relatives murdered by Palestinians?

Wow. Just......wow....

I disagree with the deliberate killing of a Western journalist.... and all of a sudden I "think the Palestinians are better than the Israelis."

RocktheCasbah, you have graduated from the Corneliu School of Dodging.

Making a negative judgement of all palestinians based on the negative actions of a few individuals.
Suggesting that the 6 1/2 million palestinian refugees across the world subsequently have no right to a state and should remain in exile.

Seemed pretty racist to me.
Did I miss something? Since when is Palestinian a race?

Wow. Just......wow....

I disagree with the deliberate killing of a Western journalist.... and all of a sudden I "think the Palestinians are better than the Israelis."

RocktheCasbah, you have graduated from the Corneliu School of Dodging.
Your rhetoric sure did it make sound like that. I too, have stated that I am not in favor of killing this journalist, although I don't like what the journalist was doing.

You, on the other hand, have not addressed the other points I made.

COMMENTARY: Hopefully they'll be released soon. On the bright side, kidnapping foreigners is the Palestinian equivalent of a job application for underemployed gunmen, who usually want salaries from the PA as a ransom. Most of these incidents get settled within hours, once money changes hands.

Lovely people...give them a state.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060814/ts_nm/mideast_gaza_kidnapping_dc

I do not see this on the Fox News web page and nothing in my email box about it either.

hmmm.

I do not see this on the Fox News web page and nothing in my email box about it either.

hmmm.
It must be a liberal conspiracy!!;)

Your rhetoric sure did it make sound like that. I too, have stated that I am not in favor of killing this journalist, although I don't like what the journalist was doing.

You, on the other hand, have not addressed the other points I made.
Alright FINE I will.

For the record, your 'dislike' of James Miller is because of Mr. Miller was making a film about a Palestinian refugee camp. Considering that the reason these camps exist is to prevent suicide bombers, or martyrs, as you would say, come from them to kill Jews in Israel. When some Western journalists tries to build sympathy for these maniacs, he isn't worth two pounds of dirt.
When in actual fact Death in Gaza was about In spring 2003, award-winning filmmaker James Miller and reporter Saira Shah, set out to take a first-hand look at the culture of hate that permeates the Middle East. They captured the lives of three Palestinian children growing up in the bullet-riddled streets of Gaza. Although James and Saira had planned to film the lives of Israeli children as well, in the midst of production, Miller was shot to death...

Clearly you know as much about the programme he was half way through making as you do about his death.

The film ends with Miller's death. His final moments were captured by a local cameraman, as he approached an Israeli army APC, wearing clothing that clearly identified him as a television journalist and shining a torch on a white flag while asking permission to pass. Saira, who was with James, also identifies the team as British TV journalists.

Death in Gaza also won 1 Emmy and 1 BAFTA.

As for your inane points:
You think the Palestinians are better than the Israelis.
No I don't.
Let me ask you a question, where would rather raise your kids? Israel or Jordan?
Europe.


The Palestinians (not all, but many) send their kids into Israel to kill Jews.
An exaggeration.


I would say that I pity your ethical standards (or lack thereof) but that wouldn't be true, since I feel nothing but contempt for you
Ditto.

You think the Palestinians are just some innocent farmers and the Israelis are murdering Zionists, don't you?
Clearly. I also love Muslims, hate America, eat babies for breakfast and bathe in virgin's blood too.

The Israelis are the victims, not the perpetrators.
Both sides are as guilty as the other.

Mr. Miller wasn't doing humanitarian work. He was building sympathy for people who would kill every Jew in Israel if they had the chance. Why not do a documentary on Jewish families in Israel who have had relatives murdered by Palestinians?
Biased, uninformed, slanted bullshit that I have refuted above. You clearly know nothing about the programme he was making. He was doing it from both sides- he was murdered by the IDF before he could finish the second half.

Happy? Good day to you.

It must be a liberal conspiracy!!;)

Or something totally false. You would think that it would be on their website if it was indeed their people that were kidnapped.

I'd like to drop some line about how it's only Fox News Journalists, but that would be inappropriate.



And so you did. Gad it gets a lot less touchy feely around here if it is Fox heads on the line. As long as they work for Fox then spill the blood. Im guessing there will be dances in the streets of liberal centers everywhere if they are killed.

And they did it deliberately? In cold blood?

Hezbollah is glad when people die, Israel is sad and even apologizes if they are Palestinian, and this is a fact.

Do you even know what a fact is?

You can't level a section of a city with missile's, destroy all roads into a city and call all vehichles on that road "legitimate targets," and then claim to be sad that civilians in that city suffer and die. That's not a fact, that's called crocodile tears.

Considering the shit Fox News says about them, who cares?

And so you did. Gad it gets a lot less touchy feely around here if it is Fox heads on the line. As long as they work for Fox then spill the blood. Im guessing there will be dances in the streets of liberal centers everywhere if they are killed.

That's because as a conservative you're a vile hate-filled sladerer who loves to see injury and death visited upon those with whom you disagree and who accuses others of demonstrating the flaws with which he is consumed. Like how Eutrusca said that it would be "lucky" if Cindy Sheehan starved to death, or how conservatives here were saying that the best thing about Dubya being "re-elected" was that it would make liberals unhappy.

Celebrating death is a conservative trait, not a liberal one.

Celebrating death is a conservative trait, not a liberal one.

Really? I suppose that compassion is no longer a liberal trait, either.

See?
Considering the shit Fox News says about them, who cares?

"No, no... we're from the Canadian division."



"yah, let us oot"

I think the term "American citizens" or "Fox employees" would be more accurate than journalists. And being taken captive is rather less a brutal fate than that which seems to happen to Al Jazeera journalists at the hands of the US "accidentally" of course.

One of them is a New Zealander, meaning that news agencies here have actually bothered to run the story.



His wife, popular British based television presenter Anita McNaught, told Radio New Zealand she found the kidnapping extremely worrying but was hopeful that it was part of a local dispute that would quickly end.

She said she was prepared to use her own contacts to get him freed.

"I have to storm into Gaza in extremely high dudgeon and tell some people off, I will."

Ms McNaught said she believed the kidnappings were a result of local frustrations.

"From my own experience, the Palestinians are a warm, sympathetic people who don't have a problem with journalists. When these kidnappings happen in Gaza, it's usually the result of local frustrations and local rows," she said.

"The kidnapping is being used as leverage to achieve some other objective."

"There's no al Qaeda in Gaza - it's just not their modus operandi."

Ms McNaught was confident her husband would be released unharmed.

One of them is a New Zealander, meaning that news agencies here have actually bothered to run the story.
The BBC have had it up for a fair while now too:

Palestinian security forces are searching the Gaza Strip for two kidnapped foreign journalists working for the US Fox News television channel.
The two journalists are correspondent Steve Centanni and freelance cameraman Olaf Wiig.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4792635.stm

You think the Palestinians are better than the Israelis. Let me ask you a question, where would rather raise your kids? Israel or Jordan?

Where did he say that?

The Palestinians (not all, but many) send their kids into Israel to kill Jews.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/bal-te.mideast15mar15,0,948922.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_suicide_bomber

Relevance?

I would say that I pity your ethical standards (or lack thereof) but that wouldn't be true, since I feel nothing but contempt for you. You think the Palestinians are just some innocent farmers and the Israelis are murdering Zionists, don't you?

Pure speculation.

The Israelis are the victims, not the perpetrators.

Of the overall conflict, perhaps. Of the death of Mr. Miller? Hardly.

Mr. Miller wasn't doing humanitarian work. He was building sympathy for people who would kill every Jew in Israel if they had the chance. Why not do a documentary on Jewish families in Israel who have had relatives murdered by Palestinians?

Did he falsify anything? Simple question. If not, he was simply reporting the news. How people choose to interpret that is not Mr. Miller's responsibility.

Considering the shit Fox News says about them, who cares?

So you are saying that what Fox News has said was not true? Besides, there is still nothing on their website on this. They are not even talking about it on the TV.

Hmm.

The Israelis are the victims, not the perpetrators.

Mr. Miller wasn't doing humanitarian work. He was building sympathy for people who would kill every Jew in Israel if they had the chance. Why not do a documentary on Jewish families in Israel who have had relatives murdered by Palestinians?

He was building sympathy for people who lived in concentration camps. Noone (except for neonazi complete idiots) thought that your people didn't deserve the same sympathy in WWII, when the nazis kept you in concentration camps, perhaps Mr. Miller would had done the same for you should he had lived in 1945. I have seen docmentaries on jewish families in Israel who have had relatives murdered by palestinians too, and also about palestinian families in Gaza who have had relatives murdered by israeli aerial strikes, I cannot see the difference there. Yet that journalist was murdered by your armed forces, you shouldn't be denying it.

In the Middle East, there are no victims or perpetrators. There ae two hateful groups of people that clash against each other in the most violent fashion available to them. the palestinians send you human bombs, you send them apaches to raze their towns.

From my point of view, both of you are fighters, not victims. Israel is not a victim, is both a victim and a perpretrator. Before you pull something along the line of "you are a palestinian lover", let me tell you that I think the palestinians are not victims, they are also victims and perpretrators at the same time.

So in the last 3 years you can only find one example? Never mind how many people the Palestinians kill and behead, right?


I can think of 13 UN workers, 2 NGO people, for examples of those killed by the IDF.

Please link to an example of these beheadings that you say the palestinians carry out.

That's because as a conservative you're a vile hate-filled sladerer who loves to see injury and death visited upon those with whom you disagree and who accuses others of demonstrating the flaws with which he is consumed. Like how Eutrusca said that it would be "lucky" if Cindy Sheehan starved to death, or how conservatives here were saying that the best thing about Dubya being "re-elected" was that it would make liberals unhappy.

Celebrating death is a conservative trait, not a liberal one.

Im not a conservative. You are the one spewing hate and slander here. Do try to come up with points instead of merely calling me names troll.

They will probably be alright, but having said that, the Faux News 'journalists' are probably continously praying and hoping their kidnappers have never seen Faux News and the vile bile it spews out.

As for RockTheCasbah saying Palestinian refugee camps are to stop terrorism, I'm sure the Nazis said the same about putting Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto.

More and more and more people have become, or are becoming Fascists with their sheer ignorance and hatred and viewing people of anybody other than a westernised white person as scum that are subhuman to be gotten rid of, as terrorists, 'MOSLEM/Hajis/Towelheads/Abduls', or spongers, or foreign people with diseases, or who commit crime.

With fascists like these, who people politely call NeoCons, and what people should call it for what it is, Nazism, people no longer hope that Nazis never regain power and say 'never again should we allow WW2 to happen', people now hope they get out of power quickly, to say "never again, again."


Maybe you disgusting and downright awful fascists will get educated one day, or perhaps we are all doomed to be placed under your jackboots as all political systems head this way, but I shall say this, with your ideas, with your notions, you head towards a dark place, not only of no enlightenment, but of doom.


You don't realise how much you are repeating history, or echo the words of the Munich thugs of the 30's who seized power in Germany, maybe you do, maybe you don't, maybe you care, maybe you don't.....


No doubt you will rip this post to threads without asking yourself why you are filled with such fear and loathing.....because that's what it is.....fear and loathing.

You think everything will be settled through wars.

Dialogue, looking at reasons is for pussies you will say.

Yeah, I know how you work.

Man on Man does not mean Gun against gun, it can mean face to face, getting it sorted, looking at policies and our idea of doing this, and doing that, and stop jumping at our own bloody shadows.

You can't change people by bombing the absolute shit out of them.


Just.....stop it with the hatred. Down with the hatred.

Stop it.

Gees

they really should start tagging reporters with GPS devices, like what they do with animals in case they run away from home.

get the reporter back and find where these terrorist scum are. kill two terrorist with one stone.:D

I despise the actions of those who have taken the journalists hostage. I think journalists are vital to an understanding of the true causes of events and should be accorded some measure of protection against being caught up in said events.


Yes, Journalists are critical to the understanding of events. When certain embedded journalists threw on flak jackets and carried firearms in Gulf War II, they broke the rules. They were no longer "just" a journalist, they became a combatant. :mp5:

Robert Fisk discusses this quite well in his most recent book.

Yes, Journalists are critical to the understanding of events. When certain embedded journalists threw on flak jackets and carried firearms in Gulf War II, they broke the rules. They were no longer "just" a journalist, they became a combatant. :mp5:

Robert Fisk discusses this quite well in his most recent book.

i would have to say that if i was a reporter over there and i heard some guy rant and rave and gloat about how many israelis/americans he has killed i may just have to add him to the death count.

If they are employed by Fox I would hardly call them journalists.

The kidnappers mistook them for BBC Correspondents, if they wanted fiction writers they would have taken Terry Pratchet.

I am surprised at how many scum bags there are on this thread.

I am surprised at how many scum bags there are on this thread.
I'm not. This is, after all, NS General.

I'm not. This is, after all, NS General.


I forgot to indicate my sarcasm.

I wouldn't be surprised if FOX's stable of attack dogs are secretly praying for the journalists to get beheaded for that sympathy-based ratings bonanza.

Network 2006 anyone?

I wouldn't be surprised if FOX's stable of attack dogs are secretly praying for the journalists to get beheaded for that sympathy-based ratings bonanza.

Network 2006 anyone?
I wouldn't be surprised if you held a party when they get beheaded. You know, for that "I Hate Fox and Bush and Everything I Hate A Lot" bonanza.

I wouldn't be surprised if you held a party when they get beheaded. You know, for that "I Hate Fox and Bush and Everything I Hate A Lot" bonanza.

And I wouldn't be surprised if you then throw a neighborhood "Hey, I Told You We Need to Sterilize Them All" block party after the story come outs.

It's nice how you play that False Dilemma game where if I'm not for the extermination of Muslims everywhere, then I must be for Jihadist Global Domination (as if that was a practical possibility in the first place.)

And my comment isn't too far off the FOX beaten path either considering Cowboy Bill O'Reilly's "Al Qaeda can have San Francisco because the fags have the audacity to marry each other" diatribe. But of course you didn't condemn that statement emphatically, so that means you must support the bombing of San Francisco 100%!

:D

And I wouldn't be surprised if you then throw a neighborhood "Hey, I Told You We Need to Sterilize Them All" block party after the story come outs.

It's nice how you play that False Dilemma game where if I'm not for the extermination of Muslims everywhere, then I must be for Jihadist Global Domination (as if that was a practical possibility in the first place.)

And my comment isn't too far off the FOX beaten path either considering Cowboy Bill O'Reilly's "Al Qaeda can have San Francisco because the fags have the audacity to marry each other" diatribe. But of course you didn't condemn that statement emphatically, so that means you must support the bombing of San Francisco 100%!

:D


Where in my post did I say that you were for jihadists? I'm only saying you don't mind murder if it's Fox news correspondents. And would probably celebrate (or at least boast).

I wouldn't be surprised if you held a party when they get beheaded. You know, for that "I Hate Fox and Bush and Everything I Hate A Lot" bonanza.

Christ. You hurt your legs when you make such amazing leaps of logic?

Christ. You hurt your legs when you make such amazing leaps of logic?
Not at all. It's not a leap, after all. Just a tiny step.

Where in my post did I say that you were for jihadists? I'm only saying you don't mind murder if it's Fox news correspondents. And would probably celebrate (or at least boast).

And of course you completely read the statement the way you want it- between the lines.

You mean all those snide comments about me supposedly celebrating the deaths of the journalists and US troops along with an occasional sprinkle of that cute word "dhimmi" weren't insinuations that I supported the Jihadists?

Wow... :rolleyes:

I said it wouldn't be surprising if FOX's political pundit stable were secretly hoping that the journalists get beheaded so they can suck off the sympathy just like Ann Coulter claimed the 9/11 widows did, then go on more "M0sl3mz R 3B1l" diatribes with sanctimonious indignation and a ratings bonanza.

Obviously the Network reference zipped right past your head.

Not at all. It's not a leap, after all. Just a tiny step.

Tiny step my arse. Where did Gautier say he would celebrate? He merely stated that Fox might use it to bolster coverage - something which isn't exactly out there in terms of things occuring. Blood and gore sells, as you like to point out.

And of course you completely read the statement the way you want it- between the lines.

You mean all those snide comments about me supposedly celebrating the deaths of the journalists and US troops along with an occasional sprinkle of that cute word "dhimmi" weren't insinuations that I supported the Jihadists?

Wow... :rolleyes:

I said it wouldn't be surprising if FOX's political pundit stable were secretly hoping that the journalists get beheaded so they can suck off the sympathy just like Ann Coulter claimed the 9/11 widows did, then go on more "M0sl3mz R 3B1l" diatribes with sanctimonious indignation and a ratings bonanza.

Obviously the Network reference zipped right past your head.


I used the word "dhimmi" - exactly where in this thread? Quote it or take back your ridiculous statement.

I used the word "dhimmi" - exactly where in this thread? Quote it or take back your ridiculous statement.

Perhaps you should take back yours first, considering you started this particular confrontation.

I used the word "dhimmi" - exactly where in this thread? Quote it or take back your ridiculous statement.

Where did I specifically mention that you used it in this thread? Nice to see that you're trying to refute my whole argument on "If the Glove Doesn't Fit You Must Acquit."

:D

Perhaps you should take back yours first, considering you started this particular confrontation.
Nope, because I didn't use the word "dhimmi" in this thread as he says.

Nope, because I didn't use the word "dhimmi" in this thread as he says.

And Gaultier never said he'd hold a party to celebrate the Fox journalists being killed.

Really? I suppose that compassion is no longer a liberal trait, either.

See?

No, it is, but with all the hatred coming from the conservative side of the aisle these days, it can be hard for some people to feel bad for them when the policies that they lionize come back to bite them on the ass. It's like mourning the death of a Snake Handler after you've spent the last 6 years trying to show him that simply having faith in God's willingness to seal their jaws will not save you from their poison fangs.

Note he demonstrated apathy towards their capture, there are not, as Not Bad said "dances in the streets of liberal centers everywhere if they are killed." No liberals are celebrating their capture, or possible death, even though kidnappers in the area are known to kidnap bargaining chips, not stars of future snuff films and the conservative media are making it sound like these kidnappings are the same as the kidnappings in Iraq. There may be some people who hate FOX enough to celebrate the death of their staff, but remember, the minority of people in this country identify as liberal, but 60% disagree with the war in Iraq, and very few people believe that FOX is not fanning the flames of war.

*snip*

I see that you do not realize that both sides of the aisle have their angry segment who will be violent towards one another regardless of political affiliation.

And Gaultier never said he'd hold a party to celebrate the Fox journalists being killed.
As I recall, there's been plenty in this thread from liberals who are wishing the worst for the Fox reporters.

So they might as well celebrate when it happens. Plenty of talk about "how they deserve it".

Got it?

As I recall, there's been plenty in this thread from liberals who are wishing the worst for the Fox reporters.

So they might as well celebrate when it happens. Plenty of talk about "how they deserve it".

Got it?

Liberals? Really? Such a bandied about word, but what do you know about these people's political backgrounds? Or are you making a general blanket assumption? Oh, and I see a lot of people debating the term of 'journalist' for Fox journalists, but no-one celebrating their deaths nor demanding any such party.

Got it?

Liberals? Really? Such a bandied about word, but what do you know about these people's political backgrounds? Or are you making a general blanket assumption? Oh, and I see a lot of people debating the term of 'journalist' for Fox journalists, but no-one celebrating their deaths nor demanding any such party.

Got it?
If you hate Fox, it's likely you're a liberal, compared to Fox news' viewpoint, eh?

so nobody here likes "Fox and Friends"? I love that show! And the "O'Reilly Factor" but it's not as fun. but seriously, I love you guys. I love you guys.
No spinning here! This is the no-spin zone!

no, for serious, who here speaks Spanish?

If you hate Fox, it's likely you're a liberal, compared to Fox news' viewpoint, eh?

Not...really. You might just dislike their rampant nationalism and biased reporting.


Or perhaps thats just a stupid idea, and everyone who hates Fox really is a liberal...

Not...really. You might just dislike their rampant nationalism and biased reporting.

Or perhaps thats just a stupid idea, and everyone who hates Fox really is a liberal...
Well, Gauthier has made it pretty obvious that he hates Republicans, and hates Bush, and he has said repeatedly in other threads (when people disagree with him) that they are "Busheviks".

So. I conclude that he's not a Republican. Not a conservative. Very probably a liberal (in the US sense, which is twisted).

Alright FINE I will.
For the record, your 'dislike' of James Miller is because of
When in actual fact Death in Gaza was about
Clearly you know as much about the programme he was half way through making as you do about his death.
Death in Gaza also won 1 Emmy and 1 BAFTA.
As for your inane points:
No I don't.
Europe.
An exaggeration.
Ditto.
Clearly. I also love Muslims, hate America, eat babies for breakfast and bathe in virgin's blood too.
Both sides are as guilty as the other.


Biased, uninformed, slanted bullshit that I have refuted above. You clearly know nothing about the programme he was making. He was doing it from both sides- he was murdered by the IDF before he could finish the second half.

Happy? Good day to you.
Ok, you were right in this case and I was wrong. I can admit it. An Israeli soldier killed a journalist, and that is unacceptable.

However, I object to the fact that you think Israel is just as bad as the Palestinians. The Palestinians have always been the perpetrators of violence in the mid east. The Israelis want to live in peace. If the Palestinians put down their weapons, there would be peace, if the Israelis put down their weapons, every Jews in Israel would be killed. Furthermore, Israel is a successful prosperous liberal democracy, the only one in the mid east. The nations that are predominantly Palestinian aren't even close to the level of advancement that Israel is.

Israel is better. Injustices happen on both sides, but either way you cut it, the Palestinians are responsible for most of the violence. The Israelis don't send their kids in suicide vests, they don't support religous boneheaded terrorists, and their media doesn't spread blind hate about the other side.

Im not a conservative. You are the one spewing hate and slander here. Do try to come up with points instead of merely calling me names troll.

Really? Then how do you identify if you're calling liberals celebrators of murder. I'm not "spewing hate" I'm simply angry at you for doing so.

Conservative pundits and politicians routinly accuse Democrats and liberals of demonstrating the flaws that they themselves demonstrate. Conservatives who've had a string of marriages complain that liberals are trying to "destroy the institution of marriage."

Conservatives who have been touting their strategy of "stay the course," and accuse the Democrats of all wanting to "cut and run" now say that Democrats are unfairly trying to paint the conservative position as "stay the course" when their position is "cut and run."

You accuse liberals of celebrating murder, when conservatives in general are happy about all the muslims getting killed in Iraq. Limbaugh the other day even went so far as to say that massive civilian casualties in the Middle East are good because it will encourage them not to support their evil governments. You know... the dictatorships that they can't vote out of power, but whom we provide with military support when convenient so that they can oppress their citizens.

On that note, I also heard Rush Limbaugh read the imaginary speech which he said Osama Bin Laden should read which praises Democratic positions which the Democratic party doesn't hold, but he said they do. Then he went and made a statement that Osama Bin Laden had actually said about the US. That citizens are legitimate targets because they support evil governments.

See? You're acting like a conservative, it's a legitimate assumption. If it looks like a bloated festering disease ridden duck, walks like a bloated festering disease ridden duck, and talks like bloated festering disease ridden duck, it's probably a bloated festering disease ridden duck

Really? Then how do you identify if you're calling liberals celebrators of murder. I'm not "spewing hate" I'm simply angry at you for doing so.

Conservative pundits and politicians routinly accuse Democrats and liberals of demonstrating the flaws that they themselves demonstrate. Conservatives who've had a string of marriages complain that liberals are trying to "destroy the institution of marriage."

Conservatives who have been touting their strategy of "stay the course," and accuse the Democrats of all wanting to "cut and run" now say that Democrats are unfairly trying to paint the conservative position as "stay the course" when their position is "cut and run."

You accuse liberals of celebrating murder, when conservatives in general are happy about all the muslims getting killed in Iraq. Limbaugh the other day even went so far as to say that massive civilian casualties in the Middle East are good because it will encourage them not to support their evil governments. You know... the dictatorships that they can't vote out of power, but whom we provide with military support when convenient so that they can oppress their citizens.

On that note, I also heard Rush Limbaugh read the imaginary speech which he said Osama Bin Laden should read which praises Democratic positions which the Democratic party doesn't hold, but he said they do. Then he went and made a statement that Osama Bin Laden had actually said about the US. That citizens are legitimate targets because they support evil governments.

See? You're acting like a conservative, it's a legitimate assumption. If it looks like a bloated festering disease ridden duck, walks like a bloated festering disease ridden duck, and talks like bloated festering disease ridden duck, it's probably a bloated festering disease ridden duck
I don't think you can paint any group with one brush. Some liberals are hypocrits, for example, actors who rant about global warming, and then travel in their Lear jets all over the world, and burn more fuel than you or I could in a lifetime. Some conservatives are also inconsiderate about other people, and are indifferent to their suffering. Not all, though. I find most conservatives to be decent people, as well as liberals.

Last time I checked, we're still "staying the course." Matter of fact, even more soldiers are being sent to stop the violence in Baghdad.

I take exception at your comment that conservatives are happy about people getting killed in Iraq. They aren't happy about it all. Honestly, where do you come up with such illusions?

As for Limbaugh, think about what he said for a second. It makes perfect sense. The Lebanese need to realize that Hezbollah is responsible for the damage done, not Israel.

actually their position now is that their strategy was never stay the course vs. cut and run, it's been adapt and win vs. cut and run.

don't you keep up on the latest talking points that has always been their policy?

actually their position now is that their strategy was never stay the course vs. cut and run, it's been adapt and win vs. cut and run.

don't you keep up on the latest talking points that has always been their policy?
Heh, guess not, but you can call it whatever you like, those 100000+ soldiers are going to be there for a while.

actually their position now is that their strategy was never stay the course vs. cut and run, it's been adapt and win vs. cut and run.

don't you keep up on the latest talking points that has always been their policy?
What is this thing that people have about "talking points"?

Heh, guess not, but you can call it whatever you like, those 100000+ soldiers are going to be there for a while.

Thank you Mr Mary Sunshine

What is this thing that people have about "talking points"?


it just gets tiring to hear people use phrases said over and over again by our dear leaders and perhaps if we keep calling people out on talkign points, someone will get a clue and stop using them as much. it may be a bit optimistic, but it's worth a shot.

it just gets tiring to hear people use phrases said over and over again by our dear leaders and perhaps if we keep calling people out on talkign points, someone will get a clue and stop using them as much. it may be a bit optimistic, but it's worth a shot.

Both sides are using them and it is getting very tiring.

Both sides are using them and it is getting very tiring.

agreed and I didnt single anyone out

agreed and I didnt single anyone out

Which I thank you for. It is unusual to see on this board.

Which I thank you for. It is unusual to see on this board.


Thats because each side makes it so easy for the other. Also going after the group you oppose, even when you don't like some of your own groups policies, makes it seem more damaging for the opponent rather than saying "well your groups does this but mine does that so we are both crappy, I just think your is more crappy" - it just doesn't have that OOMPH :p

Thats because each side makes it so easy for the other. Also going after the group you oppose, even when you don't like some of your own groups policies, makes it seem more damaging for the opponent rather than saying "well your groups does this but mine does that so we are both crappy, I just think your is more crappy" - it just doesn't have that OOMPH :p
Naw, Su - my group isn't like that. Of course, there's only the one of us in my group... now, the rest of you?

Utter barbarians.

Naw, Su - my group isn't like that. Of course, there's only the one of us in my group... now, the rest of you?

Utter barbarians.


Well you have a large army in your group, they are just all in your head. We'd all be in trouble if you let them out. You'd like my group sex
we like to bake, get baked and play with snakes

As I recall, there's been plenty in this thread from liberals who are wishing the worst for the Fox reporters.

So they might as well celebrate when it happens. Plenty of talk about "how they deserve it".

Got it?

Well well well... for someone who has been proudly proclaiming amorality- especially on advocating and calling for Muslim genocide you certainly seem awful whiny about "liberals celebrating the murder of journalists." The way you whined you'd think the Blue States creamed in their pants the day Daniel Pearle died.

And for a little bit of additional irony, I'll use Deep Kimchi Logic: The death of the FOXNews journalists would be a win-win situation for all. The kidnappers get a public image that they mean business and that nobody is safe from them. FOXNews and their pundits win because they will get to draw on viewer sympathy and condolencs they can milk with memorial specials on the slain journalists... which in turn means the pundits, you and anyone sharing their views will win because they can then more boldly advocate Muslim genocide to a crowd that becomes more accepting, or at least less intolerant of such an idea. Everyone wins if the journalists are beheaded. End Deep Kimchi Logic.

End Deep Kimchi Logic.
If only, Gauthier. If only.

Very probably a liberal (in the US sense, which is twisted).


Yeah what's with that? It's supposed to be the opposite of structualism, but the US seems to have some warped take on the word.

Really? Then how do you identify if you're calling liberals celebrators of murder. I'm not "spewing hate" I'm simply angry at you for doing so.

Conservative pundits and politicians routinly accuse Democrats and liberals of demonstrating the flaws that they themselves demonstrate. Conservatives who've had a string of marriages complain that liberals are trying to "destroy the institution of marriage."

Conservatives who have been touting their strategy of "stay the course," and accuse the Democrats of all wanting to "cut and run" now say that Democrats are unfairly trying to paint the conservative position as "stay the course" when their position is "cut and run."

You accuse liberals of celebrating murder, when conservatives in general are happy about all the muslims getting killed in Iraq. Limbaugh the other day even went so far as to say that massive civilian casualties in the Middle East are good because it will encourage them not to support their evil governments. You know... the dictatorships that they can't vote out of power, but whom we provide with military support when convenient so that they can oppress their citizens.

On that note, I also heard Rush Limbaugh read the imaginary speech which he said Osama Bin Laden should read which praises Democratic positions which the Democratic party doesn't hold, but he said they do. Then he went and made a statement that Osama Bin Laden had actually said about the US. That citizens are legitimate targets because they support evil governments.

See? You're acting like a conservative, it's a legitimate assumption. If it looks like a bloated festering disease ridden duck, walks like a bloated festering disease ridden duck, and talks like bloated festering disease ridden duck, it's probably a bloated festering disease ridden duck


And now you think you can read minds. And you are still wrong. And still dreaming up things Ive done and putting your Rush Limbaugh experiences onto me. Not only are you incorrect you are insane. Pure and simple. Seek help. Really.

Israel is better.

Can you even read? Israel isn't better. Unless it starts prosecuting the soldiers responsible for crimes like these, it is indirectly sanctioning their continued occurence. And unless Israel starts displaying a responsible head for the actions of its armed forces, it sure as hell isn't any better than the Lebanese government which it claims actually supports Hezbollah or the Palestinian government.


Injustices happen on both sides, but either way you cut it, the Palestinians are responsible for most of the violence.

Irrelevant. Injustices are injustices, lack of willingness to prosecute them on either side does not make any one better than the other.

Or are you the kind of person to say that the guy who murdered a 100 people is not so bad because he didn't kill as many as the one who murdered a 1000 people?

Can you even read? Israel isn't better. Unless it starts prosecuting the soldiers responsible for crimes like these, it is indirectly sanctioning their continued occurence. And unless Israel starts displaying a responsible head for the actions of its armed forces, it sure as hell isn't any better than the Lebanese government which it claims actually supports Hezbollah or the Palestinian government.



Irrelevant. Injustices are injustices, lack of willingness to prosecute them on either side does not make any one better than the other.

Or are you the kind of person to say that the guy who murdered a 100 people is not so bad because he didn't kill as many as the one who murdered a 1000 people?
Israel is a successful democracy. It's a free nation. If you think Hezbollah is equal to Israel you have no moral compass.

FOX News, eh?

It doesn't really make a difference what company they work for, or where they're from. I honestly don't give two shits about them, because A: I don't know them, and B: I have other things to think about.

But, I wonder how FOX is going to spin this one?

"We had our journalists imbed themselves with the terrorists. Here's the footage."

FOX News, eh?

It doesn't really make a difference what company they work for, or where they're from. I honestly don't give two shits about them, because A: I don't know them, and B: I have other things to think about.

But, I wonder how FOX is going to spin this one?

"We had our journalists imbed themselves with the terrorists. Here's the footage."

There has not been anything on their website about this and have not heard anything on the Fox News Channel either.

I don't think you can paint any group with one brush. Some liberals are hypocrits, for example, actors who rant about global warming, and then travel in their Lear jets all over the world, and burn more fuel than you or I could in a lifetime. Some conservatives are also inconsiderate about other people, and are indifferent to their suffering. Not all, though. I find most conservatives to be decent people, as well as liberals.

Last time I checked, we're still "staying the course." Matter of fact, even more soldiers are being sent to stop the violence in Baghdad.

I take exception at your comment that conservatives are happy about people getting killed in Iraq. They aren't happy about it all. Honestly, where do you come up with such illusions?

Illusion? They voted for this asshole and still defend him. They literally asked for it. You can claim that they didn't know what they were getting, but it was so obvious that the only way they could not have seen how bad Bush was going to be was they didn't want to. They were brought to the polls by intolerant and selfish voter initiatives like "the queers can't get married" and "git yer hands of my money." If they aren't happy about the soldiers dying then they simply don't give a shit. If they did, we'd have Kerry in the White House now. To a conservative a gay couple getting married trumps 50,000+ American casualties. (I know that the Bushites put the number at 2,000, but I don't give a fuck. A casualty is a person injured so badly that they can't return to the field, not just a person who died instantly as a result of battlefield injuries. Honestly, they don't even count people who make it to the infermary after being pulled out of an explosion, but then die on the operating table. WTF?!)

But I digress. To conservatives, hatred of gays trumps their grudging respect for troops that's only an unfortunate byproduct of their hatred of foreigners.

As for Limbaugh, think about what he said for a second. It makes perfect sense. The Lebanese need to realize that Hezbollah is responsible for the damage done, not Israel.

You think about it for a second. It was a broad statement about our enemies in general. Populations who have no choice about who their governments are, and whom we have often placed in the position of living with their dictators. Remember, we gave Saddam the weapons with which he oppressed his people. We did the same thing with any number of Latin American dictators, as well as the Iranians.

But my point was that he, a conservative, was accusing the liberals of something of which he was guilty. Namely using talking points that could have come right out of the mouth of Osama Bin Laden. Except in his case, the words actually did come out of the mouth of Osama.

But I digress. To conservatives, hatred of gays trumps their grudging respect for troops that's only an unfortunate byproduct of their hatred of foreigners.

Prove that conservatives hate foreigners.

Ok, you were right in this case and I was wrong. I can admit it. An Israeli soldier killed a journalist, and that is unacceptable.
.

Thats wonderful!!!!!! Now where are the examples of "beheadings" that you say Palestinians have carried out?


However, I object to the fact that you think Israel is just as bad as the Palestinians. The Palestinians have always been the perpetrators of violence in the mid east. .

I was unaware of "Palestinian only" roads and areas within Israel, and a different system of harsher laws for non-palestinians there either.....and there seems to be a lot more Arab dead too...


The Israelis want to live in peace. If the Palestinians put down their weapons, there would be peace, .

Really? Why are there settlements in Palestinian areas outside Israels borders?


The nations that are predominantly Palestinian aren't even close to the level of advancement that Israel is. .

Predominantly Arab, Persian etc. What does that have to do with anything?


Israel is better. Injustices happen on both sides, but either way you cut it, the Palestinians are responsible for most of the violence. The Israelis don't send their kids in suicide vests, they don't support religous boneheaded terrorists, and their media doesn't spread blind hate about the other side.

"Israeli school textbooks as well as children’s storybooks, according to recent academic studies and surveys, portray Palestinians and Arabs as “murderers,” “rioters,” “suspicious,” and generally backward and unproductive. Direct delegitimization and negative stereotyping of Palestinians and Arabs are the rule rather than the exception in Israeli schoolbooks."

http://www.mideastjournal.com/israelitextbooks6.html

"An ultra-Orthodox weekly, Sh'a Tova, reportedly carried a comic strip for children with negative depiction of Arabs, including the statement, "Yes, a good Arab is a dead Arab."
http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rsd/rsddocview.html?tbl=RSDCOI&id=437c9cec32&count=2

Why would you send your son to war in a suicide vest when he has an armoured vehicle/chopper/warship to travel in?

And as regards "religous boneheaded terrorists" - are you familiar with the "settler movement"? Obviously not, but you should be.

Robert Fisk discusses this quite well in his most recent book.
Thank you for the information and the reference :)

But I digress. To conservatives, hatred of gays trumps their grudging respect for troops that's only an unfortunate byproduct of their hatred of foreigners.

Think about it for a second.
People in the military have consistently voted about 70 percent Republican in the past few elections.

Grudging?

Ah, yes, any negative statements about Palestinians are racist, defending Israel for defending itself is racist against Palestinians, mentioning the fact that only Palestinians in the mid east are suicide bombers is racist...I was merely suggesting that if the Palestinians were given their "own" state, it would be mostly likely run by thugs, it wouldn't be a utopian paradise.

Of course, you just felt moral superiority in calling me racist and that's the real reason why you did it, you don't care about the Palestinians.

I didnt say any criticism of Palestinians was racist. I said your patronising "lovely people" comment robs millions of people of dignity, based purely on their ethnic status, which is racist. You racist.

Only (sorry, only) Palestinians in the middle east are suicide bombers? Are you that stupid? Even if that was the case, more Arabs are being killed by Israelis than the Israelis by Arabs. That dirty little group of Palestinians is being slowly thinned out before being put in some lovely open air prisons (which will henceforth be referred to as "Palestine").

Of course! I don't really care about the Palestinians! Silly me, I forgot all Communists are evil!!!!!

Think about it for a second.
People in the military have consistently voted about 70 percent Republican in the past few elections.

Grudging?

Most people would have understood that statement to exclude the troops from it. After all, how many Bush apologists actually served in the military? Compare that to the numbers of returning Iraqi Vetrans running for office as Democrats vs. Republicans. Most of the ex-military people I know acknowledge that the pro-republican sentiment in the military is equal parts denial and propaganda. The aware ones know that the Republican party does not serve their interests.

Denial, they don't want to admit that they're being sent to die for a lie.

Propaganda, higher-ups like the money that comes into the military because of corrupt sweetheart deals for military contracts with Republican's relatives (like Uncle Bucky).

Prove that conservatives hate foreigners.

Well, you could have tried arguing with one of my points, but I'll bite.

Tune in to Right Wing radio. Any of them. Hannity, Limbaugh, O'Reilly. It really doesn't batter, because you're listening for the callers. I particularly recommend Washtington Journal on CSPAN (I know, not radio, but they take calls) and Niel Bortz.

The stuff you'll hear is absolutly vile. Usually it's along the lines of "I say we just nuke the whole damn place!" But you do occaisionally get some more imaginative brainless right-wing hate-speech. Like the guy who responded to Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s explanation of Bush's horrible environmental policy with "we don't need you liberal's and your damn fancy coffees," or the woman who said that she was voting for Dubya because "he's the only one who understands that the Black Baptists... the Black Church is the church of Satan. And he understands that, and that's why I'm voting for him. And because of the faggots."

*snip*

Now prove that Conservatives hate foreigners.

Now prove that Conservatives hate foreigners.
Just see how the American Conservatives here on NS react when Canadians point out the shortcomings of American Conservatism. The outpouring of hatred is so thick it could be used to pave roads.

Just see how the American Conservatives here on NS react when Canadians point out the shortcomings of American Conservatism. The outpouring of hatred is so thick it could be used to pave roads.

Does not prove a thing in reality. I have seen people bashing American Conservatism on these boards. It is little wonder that Conservative Americans bash back.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

Now prove that Conservatives hate foreigners.
Let me try...
I'd like to drop some line about how it's only Fox News Journalists, but that would be inappropriate.
I don't see why you shouldn't when the OP came up with this comment.
I must resist the urge to say 'it couldn't have happened to nicer blokes.'

... Damnit.

I'm just messing with you, gentlemen. I do hope for their safe return, then prompt retirement from news forever. Followed, like lemmings, by the rest of the staff of Fox.
its only foxnews journalists!

when they open their mouth, the palestinians will pay to get rid of them i tell you!
Journalists? I thought he said the worked for FOX?
Entertainers being kidnapped is no less a tragedy.
that only applies to clowns.

so it is relevent here.
Sorry, the milk of human kindness has gone off. I could not even so much as begin to summon up feelings akin to having the remotest scintilla of sympathy for these purported 'journalists'.
Considering the shit Fox News says about them, who cares?
That's because as a conservative you're a vile hate-filled sladerer who loves to see injury and death visited upon those with whom you disagree and who accuses others of demonstrating the flaws with which he is consumed. Like how Eutrusca said that it would be "lucky" if Cindy Sheehan starved to death, or how conservatives here were saying that the best thing about Dubya being "re-elected" was that it would make liberals unhappy.

Celebrating death is a conservative trait, not a liberal
Damn, all I proved is how much some on these forums hate.

Israel is a successful democracy. It's a free nation. If you think Hezbollah is equal to Israel you have no moral compass.

If Israel refuses to prosecute murderers who have killed unarmed civilians in their armed forces, then they have no moral authority to object to Hezbollah or any other insurgent group facing them.

Argue or squirm how you like, it doesn't change the bare fact that by refusing to punish the guilty in your own house when it is YOUR responsibility to do so, you are supporting it.

The captain who gunned down a schoolgirl with his personal sidearm and repeatedly shot her corpse? Transferred, but no other punishment.

The IDF soldier who sprayed a bus full of people with his rifle? Was there even a trial?

So by logical extension Israel supports criminal murderers. So long as they're wearing the IDF uniform.

They aren't any better. Accusing me of lacking a moral compass is nothing more than the last gasp of a person willing to blind themselves to the problems with the Israeli government at any cost whatsoever.