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Iran insists on nuclear right, threatens to quit IAEA
Sun Aug 13, 4:28 AM ET

TEHRAN (AFP) -Iran repeated its refusal to suspend uranium enrichment activities as called for in a UN resolution, threatening instead to withdraw from the International Atomic Energy Agency.

"Iran doesn't accept suspending its uranium enrichment," the official IRNA agency quoted parliamentary speaker Gholam-Ali Hadad-Adel as telling parliament.

"If the result of our being part of international organisations and the IAEA is to be deprived of our absolute right (in nuclear matters), there is no reason for us to continue to be part of such organisations," he said.

Sources: Yahoo/IRNA/AFP/OcceanNEWS
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060813/wl_mideast_afp/irannuclearpolitics_060813082655

my2cents: Here is my prediction, Iran will quit the IAEA..
You it heard here first.(@ occeanNEWS)

Well either Israel will be screwed, or Iran will be screwed. I would keep an eye on Aug. 22. That date was discussed in another thread.

Well either Israel will be screwed, or Iran will be screwed.I heard that before..

Well either USA will be screwed, or Russia will be screwed

Well either India will be screwed, or Pakistan will be screwed

I heard that before..

Well either USA will be screwed, or Russia will be screwed

Well either India will be screwed, or Pakistan will be screwed

Yea, but USA, Russia, India, and Pakistan didn't have leaders who said that one of their main goals in life was to wipe the other one off the face of the earth.

Russia did, back in the years of the ussr (in the end their stance on capitalists softened up.)

USA did, did you notice how communists were tracked down and publicly humiliated?

Oh and did you notice how the ussr actually doesn't exist anymore.

"If the result of our being part of international organisations and the IAEA is to be deprived of our absolute right (in nuclear matters), there is no reason for us to continue to be part of such organisations," he said.

He is of course quite right. If you sign a treaty granting you certain rights and all those rights are withheld from you, the treaty is quite useless.

Russia did, back in the early years of the ussr

Yea.... well they understood M.A.D. I'm not so sure the leader of Iran understands M.A.D. If he did, he wouldn't be out yelling to the world that he wants to get rid of Israel.

No doubt in my mind now that Iran is on a course to destruction. The anti-semitism, the terrorist funding, the refusal to stop building a nuclear bomb, the human rights abuses, the lack of democracy, and the chanting of "death to America" by their supreme ruler....is all not very good for them in the coming years. Remember that one of the best exit stratagies for Iraq runs through Tehran.

(Iran president) said that one of their main goals in life was to wipe the other one off the face of the earth.I call Bullshit.he said Israel should be wiped out/moved out, which is not the same.

I call Bullshit.

You've been living under a rock haven't ya?

Iran's President have called for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/10/26/ahmadinejad/

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/12/14/iran.israel/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4384264.stm

Yea... this guy isn't playing with a full set of marbles.

Iran insists on nuclear right, threatens to quit IAEA
Sun Aug 13, 4:28 AM ET

TEHRAN (AFP) -Iran repeated its refusal to suspend uranium enrichment activities as called for in a UN resolution, threatening instead to withdraw from the International Atomic Energy Agency.

"Iran doesn't accept suspending its uranium enrichment," the official IRNA agency quoted parliamentary speaker Gholam-Ali Hadad-Adel as telling parliament.

"If the result of our being part of international organisations and the IAEA is to be deprived of our absolute right (in nuclear matters), there is no reason for us to continue to be part of such organisations," he said.

Sources: Yahoo/IRNA/AFP/OcceanNEWS
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060813/wl_mideast_afp/irannuclearpolitics_060813082655

my2cents: Here is my prediction, Iran will quit the IAEA..
You it heard here first.(@ occeanNEWS)


Just out of curiousity, IIRC you were one of the few posters here who did not believe that Iran was developing nuclear weapons. Do I remember that correctly? If so, are you still holding onto that?

Yea.... well they understood M.A.D. I'm not so sure the leader of Iran understands M.A.D. If he did, he wouldn't be out yelling to the world that he wants to get rid of Israel.
The Ayatollahs certainly do, I'm sure they'll reign in Amadinejad before he does something totally stupid.

The Ayatollahs certainly do, I'm sure they'll reign in Amadinejad before he does something totally stupid.

but what if they agree with him?

but what if they agree with him?
They agree with him, but they're also practical people, not insane and delusional.

I call Bullshit.he said Israel should be wiped out/moved out, which is not the same.
"The West has given more significance to the myth of the genocide of the Jews, even more significant than God, religion, and the prophets"

"Our dear Imam (referring to Ayatollah Khomeini) said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world."

"Hitler sought pretexts to attack other nations, The Zionist regime is seeking baseless pretexts to invade Islamic countries and right now it is justifying its attacks with groundless excuses"

Iran's government gives tens of millions of dollars to the terrorist organization Hezbollah every year

Iran is seeking uranium strong enough to create a nuclear weapon

if the above is not a cause for alarm when it pretains to one of our best allies I do not know what does.

You've been living under a rock haven't ya?
(blah-blah-blah )
Like I said

Iran President said: "Israel should move out"/ or should wipe out" (depends who translates)

He never ever said "I am going to do it" or "we are goign to do it" Like Your Post says.

said that one of their main goals in life was to wipe the other one off the face of the earth.I call your Bullshit a second time.

The Ayatollahs certainly do, I'm sure they'll reign in Amadinejad before he does something totally stupid.
well, lets look a quote on the matter from Ali Khamenei, the grand ayatolla of Iran and the supreme ruler of Iran ( you know, when he took a break from torturing dissenters to death):
"The only way to confront the Zionist enemy is the continuation and fortification of resistance and Jihad"

Well, now we know where he stands.

Like I said

he said: Israel should move out/ or should wipe out (depends who translates)

He never ever said "I am going to do it" or "we are goign to do it"

Yeah, he is only funded Hezbollah with millions of dollars per month and seeking bob grade nuclear uranium. :p

Yeah, he is only funded Hezbollah with millions of dollars per month If Bush funds Jewish bombs and tanks.. Why shouldnt others be able to fund Hezbollah. ??

well, lets look a quote on the matter from Ali Khamenei, the grand ayatolla of Iran and the supreme ruler of Iran ( you know, when he took a break from torturing dissenters to death):
"The only way to confront the Zionist enemy is the continuation and fortification of resistance and Jihad"

Well, now we know where he stands.
Yes, they hate Israel too, but they're not as crazy as one is lead to believe. They like their position of power and can be quite reasonable as they've showed before in international dealings. In fact, Iran was moving along quite nicely until the last election.

Unfortunately with the war in Irak and the inclusion in the Axis of Evil the population became radicalized. However, I think this is just a bump on the road and things can still get back to normal. It's a matter of knowing how much to push Iran, because they don't like to be pushed around.

Yeah, he is only funded Hezbollah with millions of dollars per month and seeking bob grade nuclear uranium. :p

Yes, let's hope they don't get bob grade nuclear uranium (even though "bob grade" and "nuclear uranium" are just too funny).

well, lets look a quote on the matter from Ali Khamenei, (insert propaganda here)
"The only way to confront the Zionist enemy is the continuation and fortification of resistance and Jihad"

Well, now we know where he stands.we all know were he stands..:rolleyes: :rolleyes: we knew were he stands.

We know were Iran stands.

Iranians support Hezbollah.. Iraquis support Hezbolah, Saudis support hezbollah, Syrians support hezbollah.

What is your point?

If Bush funds Jewish bombs and tanks.. Why shouldnt others be able to fund Hezbollah. ??

oh, God...you are one of them....the ones that believe that a sovereign nation is on equal international moral and negotiating footing with a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION. These manipulators have really got you sink and line. They are anti-semites who are attacking a sovereign nation for no other purpose but the hatred of Jews. let me rephrase your question:

If Bush funds American bombs and tanks why shouldnt others be able to fund al-queda?

Hey, Ocean, you going to answer those questions I asked you?

Yes, they hate Israel too, but they're not as crazy as one is lead to believe. They like their position of power and can be quite reasonable as they've showed before in international dealings. In fact, Iran was moving along quite nicely until the last election.

Unfortunately with the war in Irak and the inclusion in the Axis of Evil the population became radicalized. However, I think this is just a bump on the road and things can still get back to normal. It's a matter of knowing how much to push Iran, because they don't like to be pushed around.
the Iran hostage crisis of 1979-1981
the 1982 embassy bombing
the 1983 barracks bombing
the 1986 disco bombing in Germany
the achille lauro
flight 587
the lockerbee jet bombing
the world trade center bombing
the Saudi embassy bombing
the u.s.s cole
september 11, 2001

all before the "axis of evil" was articulated and the Iraq war began....this is nothing new we are facing.Normal is not good. I have no idea what news outlet you have been getting news from since 1979 but you must have missed those events....

a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.
Who is a Terrorist and who isnt?

who gets to decide? You?

we all know were he stands..:rolleyes: :rolleyes: we knew were he stands.

We know were Iran stands.

Iranians support Hezbollah.. Iraquis support Hezbolah, Saudis support hezbollah, Syrians support hezbollah.

What is your point?

Iran funds them.

Like I said

Iran President said: "Israel should move out"/ or should wipe out" (depends who translates)

He never ever said "I am going to do it" or "we are goign to do it" Like Your Post says.

I call your Bullshit a second time.

Well who else would do it? Jeez you are a little too trusting of this mad man.

Hey, Ocean, you going to answer those questions I asked you?what question?

repost it.. or at least post a link to your question.

Well who else would do it? the UN.

They artificially created Israel in arabLand.. They should correct their mistake and recreate Israel in NorthAmerica or Europe.

Iran funds them.so what?

Who is a Terrorist and who isnt?

who gets to decide? You?

Israel is a sovereign nation that is fighting Hezbollah....an organization that only exists to kill jews using terrorist tactics. The UN decides buddy. Until there is a nation of Hezbollah or Israel is destroyed...thats how it is. Why are you so lenient to Hezbollah anyway? Sympathize?

the Iran hostage crisis of 1979-1981
the 1982 embassy bombing
the 1983 barracks bombing
the 1986 disco bombing in Germany
the achille lauro
flight 587
the lockerbee jet bombing
the world trade center bombing
the Saudi embassy bombing
the u.s.s cole
september 11, 2001

all before the "axis of evil" was articulated and the Iraq war began....this is nothing new we are facing.Normal is not good. I have no idea what news outlet you have been getting news from since 1979 but you must have missed those events....

Yeah, sure, Iran was involved in aaaall of those. Not Lybia or the Saudis, it was all Iran. Specially the WTC things, sure, that was Iran too.

the UN.

They artificially created Israel in arabLand.. They should correct their mistake and recreate Israel in NorthAmerica or Europe.

so now we can forcably move Jews to another area hundreds or thousands of miles away. If the UN ever passed such a resolution ( which they will not) the Israeli's would refuse to leave. Now you get to do what the President of Iran wanted all along....a nice big Jew slaughter ( old style) with Hezbollah at the helm. Terrific. :(

so what?

so when you have the most rabid anti-jewish organization on the planet being funded millions of dollars per month by a man who denies the holocaust and would like to see Israel "moved" so that those who remain behind can be slaughtered ...it is a "problem". :headbang:

Yeah, sure, Iran was involved in aaaall of those. Not Lybia or the Saudis, it was all Iran. Specially the WTC things, sure, that was Iran too.

I never said that Iran was involved in all of those. You just did not read what I was responding too...maybe on purpose. I was responding to a person who said that fundamentalist Islam has only been inflamed by recent events. That claim was provably false.

Who is a Terrorist and who isnt?

who gets to decide? You?
The UN decides buddy.care to show us Hezbolla on the UN "terror list"

*hint* Bush has been lobbyng several Countries and the EU.. pressuring them to include Hezbollah on their list of terrorist organiztion.

what question?

repost it.. or at least post a link to your question.

You aren't reading your own thread?

Post #11: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11543323&postcount=11

the UN.

They artificially created Israel in arabLand.. They should correct their mistake and recreate Israel in NorthAmerica or Europe.

Why should they?

Why should they?

I think OceanDrives sympatize with Iran.

so now we can forcably move Jews to another area hundreds or thousands of miles away. If the UN ever passed such a resolution ( which they will not) the Israeli's would refuse to leave. Now you get to do what the President of Iran wanted all along....a nice big Jew slaughter ( old style) with Hezbollah at the helm. Terrific. :(I am sure the word "forcably" is anti-semite. :p

care to show us Hezbolla on the UN "terror list"

*hint* Bush has been lobbyng several Countries and the EU.. pressuring them to include Hezbollah on their list of terrorist organiztion.

I don't think you get it. The U.N. never made Hezbollah a nation, nor will it. That fact, combined with their record of extreme violence on civilians, makes them a terrorist organization. It does not need to be declared to be so.

Why should they?why not?

I could stop the bloodshed.
I would save a lot of children lives.

All of these people who sympathize with Iran's belief that Israel should be moved should ponder what they are asking for. They want to see a mass forced reolcation of Jews. And what happens to the ones who stay behind? Think about it. Now think of the President of Iran's funding of Hezbollah terrorists, search for uranium enrichment, and denial of the holocaust. wow.:eek:

why not?

I could stop the bloodshed.
I would save a lot of children lives.

and it would be giving in to terrorism, and all of the things from my last post. If Hezbollah was mad about Israel being a country they would attack the UN because that is who did it. They attack Israel because they hate jews.

I don't think you get it. The U.N. never made Hezbollah a nation...No.
YOU do not get it..

you dont have to be a nation to be on the Terror-organizations-List.

All of these people who sympathize with Iran's belief that Israel should be moved should ponder what they are asking for. They want to see a mass forced reolcation of Jews. And what happens to the ones who stay behind? Think about it. Now think of the President of Iran's funding of Hezbollah terrorists, search for uranium enrichment, and denial of the holocaust. wow.:eek:

Yea, scary.

No.
YOU do not get it..

you dont have to be a nation to be on the Terror-organizations-List.

Holy F*ck. ok, look , let me spell it out for you.

Israel is a legitimate nation. The UN made it one.
Hezbollah is not a nation. The UN never made it one.
Hezbollah's business is the attack of Jewish civilians. That is what it does.

And you are taking who's side?

If Bush funds Jewish bombs and tanks.. Why shouldnt others be able to fund Hezbollah. ??
Like you I am also unable to appreciate the difference between the necessity of a professional military beholden to the political leaders of a sovereign nation, and a proxy army that operates without saction, and untethered to the legally recognized leadership of a people. Or rather I could be if I practiced self-trepanning, I hear DeWalt makes a nice 28v cordless.

Just remember if we guide ourselves with the WWII standards of ethical warfare, Israel is now entitled to wipe Lebanese, Syrian, and Iranian population centers "off the map." The most significant obstical to this is the Israeli conscience, something the Islamic world is conspiciously lacking.

They want to see a mass forced reolcation of Jews. who want to see forced relocation? we already did that to the Palestineans..
fortunately we do not need to repeat that crime.

who want to see forced relocation? we already did that to the Palestineans..
fortunately we do not need to repeat that crime.

Those who want to move Israel want to see forced relocation of Jews.

why not?

I could stop the bloodshed.
I would save a lot of children lives.

Actually no it would not.

Sunni and Shea are all off a sudden going to start loving each other because the dirty Joos are gone.

And you are taking who's side?Hezbollah.


Hezbollah's business is the attack of Jewish civilians. That is what it does.
Hezbollah mission is to fight Zionism and kick Zionist occupation soldiers out of LebanonHoly F*ck. ok, look , let me spell it out for you.

Israel is a legitimate nation.The UN made it one.Yes Indeed the UN made Israel
Hezbollah is not a nation.
You think I dont know that??

like I said (too bad I heve to repeat it again)

YOU still do not get it:
you do not have to be a nation to be on the Terror-organizations-List.

Hezbollah.



You are taking a terrorist organization who's goal is to kill as many Jews as possible's side? have you gone mad?

You are taking a terrorist organization...
Who is a Terrorist and who isnt?

who gets to decide? You?

too bad I have to repost you own posts.. I would be helpful if you read your own posts and stop looking lika fool.

Who is a Terrorist and who isnt?

who gets to decide? You?
The UN decides buddy.care to show us Hezbolla on the UN "terror list"

*hint* Bush has been lobbyng several Countries and the EU.. pressuring them to include Hezbollah on their list of terrorist organiztion.

The UN does not need to put them on a watch list. They are terrorists because they committ terrorism. The UN never made them a nation. They committ terrorism. Do you deny that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization? Do you? :p

The UN does not need to put them on a watch list. oh yeah?

How about the EU do they need to have a terror orgs List?

oh yeah?

How about the EU do they need to have a terror orgs List?

No, you don't get to ask your two questions until you answer my one question. Do you believe that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, yes or no?

Ocean, shall I just assume you're going to play games w/ the troll and ignore my question?

No, you don't get to ask your two questions until you answer my one question. Do you believe that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization, yes or no?I consider terrorism a crime.. and i respect the inocent until proven guilty concept..
Untill you prove it to me that they are a "terrorism" org.. I will tag them Not a terrorist organization.. just like most people do.

..just in case you did not notice that clearly aswer your question (higlited in red so you cant miss it).

Now you turn to answer my questions

Ocean, shall I just assume you're going to play games w/ the troll and ignore my question?

Ocean says he supports Hezbollah. I am asking him a legitimate question, does he think that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization? If that makes me a troll then I guess I should ask a more lenient question....so ocean...do you think that Ice cream is a delicious treat?:rolleyes:

I consider terrorisma crime.. and i respect the inicent until proven guilty concept..
Untill you prove it to me they have comited the crime of "terrorism".. I will tag them Not a terrorist organization.. just like most people do.

..just in case you did not notice that clearly aswer your question (higlited in red so you cant miss it).

Now you turn to answer my questions

Umm actually, most people do consider Hezz. a Terrorist organization. Only the arabs don't consider them terrorist.

Ocean, shall I just assume you're going to play games w/ the troll and ignore my question?like i said today..

repost your question or at least post a link.

Ocean says he supports Hezbollah. I am asking him a legitimate question, does he think that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization? If that makes me a troll then I guess I should ask a more lenient question....so ocean...do you think that Ice cream is a delicious treat?:rolleyes:LOL..

yes ice cream is delicious.. and No Hezbollah r not ice cream.. I mean Ice cream is not terrorist.. I mean Hezbollah r not trolls ... :confused: :confused:

this is too confusing.. I cant aswer all at the same time..

You guys will have to start taking numbers.. :D

I consider terrorism a crime.. and i respect the inocent until proven guilty concept..
Untill you prove it to me that they have comited the crime of "terrorism".. I will tag them Not a terrorist organization.. just like most people do.

..just in case you did not notice that clearly aswer your question (higlited in red so you cant miss it).

Now you turn to answer my questions

First of all source your claim that most people believe that Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization....secondly...I would point you here.....for evidence of Hezbollah doing terrorist acts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hezbollah_rocket_force
check the first paragraph on that one

TWA FLIGHT 847 SKYJAKING
THE EMBASSY BOMBING IN BIERUT
THE BOMBING OF THE JEWISH CENTER IN BUENOS AIRES
ALAS CHIRICANAS FLIGHT 901 BOMBING
ISRAEL LONDON EMBASSY BOMBING
NUMEROUS ATTACKS ON ISRAEL

Direct evidence of act of deliberate terrorism on civilians. You are supporting a terrorist organization. I find that despicable.

Umm actually, most people do consider Hezz. a Terrorist organization. Only the arabs don't consider them terrorist.when I say most peoples
I am not talking only about the US..
I am talking about the peoples/nation of the world.

LOL..

yes ice cream is delicious.. and No Hezbollah r not ice cream.. I mean Ice cream is not terrorist.. I mean Hezbollah r not trolls ... :confused: :confused:

this is too confusing.. I cant aswer all at the same time..

You guys will have to start taking numbers.. :D

hehe:D well, at least we have common ground on the ice cream.

when I say most peoples
I am not talking only about the US..
I am talking about the peoples/nation of the world.

you have no source on your claim, as I thought.

like i said today..

repost your question or at least post a link.

Here's where I posted it the first time: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11543323&postcount=11

Here's where I posted the link to that: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11543435&postcount=38

Since you don't seem to have bothered to checked (;)):
Just out of curiousity, IIRC you were one of the few posters here who did not believe that Iran was developing nuclear weapons. Do I remember that correctly? If so, are you still holding onto that?

... a terrorist organization. I find that despicable.Who is a Terrorist and who isnt?

who gets to decide? You?

too bad I have to repost you own posts for a third time..

Who is a Terrorist and who isnt?

who gets to decide? You?
The UN decides buddy.care to show us Hezbolla on the UN "terror list"

*hint* Bush has been lobbyng several Countries and the EU.. pressuring them to include Hezbollah on their list of terrorist organiztion.

Calling for a mass deportation of Jews and saying that you are siding with Hezbollah, the same ones that committed the acts of terrorism that I listed above is a bad thing to do. I would urge you to reconsider, and think about who you are siding with and what their true motivations are in holocaust denial, terrorism, and preaching hatred.

Who is a Terrorist and who isnt?

who gets to decide? You?

too bad I have to repost you own posts for a third time..

care to show us Hezbolla on the UN "terror list"

*hint* Bush has been lobbyng several Countries and the EU.. pressuring them to include Hezbollah on their list of terrorist organiztion.

One would think that a group of people who prey on the innocents would be considered terrorist.

Who is a Terrorist and who isnt?

who gets to decide? You?



I say sombody is a terrorist when the USA says they are, because that is my nation. We do. And you have a major bolt loose in your brain if you did not think that the incidents of terrorism that I listed a few moments ago were not terrorism. Hezbollah committs acts of terror on Jews and those who aid Jews. And you say that you side with them.

This is what makes Hez. a terrorist group. Hope you don't mind me helping you out Barry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_Bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alas_Chiricanas_Flight_00901

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Embassy_Attack_in_London

Still think they're not a terrorist organization?

Ocean, shall I just assume you're going to play games w/ the troll and ignore my question?Ok..Ok.. I will stop playing with the Troll :D

Just out of curiousity, IIRC you were one of the few posters here who did not believe that Iran was developing nuclear weapons. Do I remember that correctly? If so, are you still holding onto that?#1 No I was not one of the ones believing that.

#2 No you do not remember that correctly (sorry)

#3 No, I could not be still holding onto that.. because i was never holding it in the first place.

This is what makes Hez. a terrorist group. Hope you don't mind me helping you out Barry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMIA_Bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alas_Chiricanas_Flight_00901

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Embassy_Attack_in_London

Still think they're not a terrorist organization?

Not at all. Those are perfect examples.

Ok.. I will stop playing with the Troll :D

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you were playing with yourself? ewwww

Supporting Hezbollah, the terrorist organization makes you a troll.

Not at all. Those are perfect examples.

I believe that any organization that attacks innocent peoples are and should be considered terrorist. Simply for the fact that they are cowarded enough to attack innnocent people instead of militatry personals that can kick their ass.

Ok.. I will stop playing with the Troll :D

#1 No I was not one of the ones believing that.

#2 No you do not remember that correctly (sorry)

#3 No, I could not be still holding onto that.. because i was never holding it in the first place.

Ah, thank you. :D

They are blatently anti-semitic on a Hitler like level. Forced relocation, mass death, attacks on civilians, and a strong hatred for Jews and those who support Jews. Along with some good old fashioned holocaust denial. Scary stuff.

I have to leave. God bless.

They are blatently anti-semitic on a Hitler like level. Forced relocation, mass death, attacks on civilians, and a strong hatred for Jews and those who support Jews. Along with some good old fashioned holocaust denial. Scary stuff.

Ahh yea, and who funds Hez, Iran and Syria. But don't worry there's nothing to worry about, I mean I'm sure the leader of Iran isn't crazy enough to use his nukes. Surreee he talks about wiping Israel off the face of the earth with such seriousness that it makes you crap your pants, but awww I'm sure he realize the rammification of that action.

/scarcasam.

saying that you are siding with Hezbollah.Yes, I said that
Calling for a mass deportation of JewsNo, I did not say that.
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and.. that is all you get today.. You had your quota of Occean for today.. other people wants a piece of me too..

AND.. I promised to stop playing with the Troll :D :D

Yes, I said that
No, I did not say that.
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and.. that is all you get today.. You had your quota of Occean for today.. other people wants a piece of me too..

AND.. I promised to stop playing with the Troll :D :D

Nice job on skipping over my evidence that Hez. is a terrorist organization...

Nice job on skipping over my evidence that Hez. is a terrorist organization...you call that evidence..?

There is no doubt Hezbollah is firing the Rockets to Israel..
But is there any evidence Hezbollah did all the attakcs you are accusing them of?

you call that evidence..?

There is no doubt Hezbollah is firing the Rockets to Israel..
But is there any evidence Hezbollah did all the attakcs you are accusing them of?

Click on the links. Read the articles.

TWA Flight 847 was an international Trans World Airlines flight which was hijacked by Organization for the Oppressed of the Earth, a group with alleged links to Hezbollah,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_847

Argentina, Israel and the US[1] suspect that Hezbollah was behind the attack, with backing from Iran. Hezbollah denies responsibility.[2] Israeli diplomatic sources who read the "final" report by SIDE on the attack said in 2003 that the attack was a suicide bombing carried out by Ibrahim Hussein Berro, a 29-year-old Muslim who has been honored with a plaque in southern Lebanon for his "martyrdom" on July 18, 1994, the date of the bombing. This was confirmed by SIDE, the FBI, and Berro's relatives in November 2005. [3]

A Lebanon-based group called "Partisans of God" claimed responsibility for the AMIA blast, but the claim has been discounted. In 1999 an arrest warrant was issued against Hezbollah member Imad Mugniyah, in connection with the attack. In August 2003, Britain arrested Hade Soleimanpour, a former Iranian ambassador to Argentina, at the request of the Argentinian authorities. He was later released because, according to the Home Office, there was not enough prima facie evidence for the extradition of Hade Soleimanpour to proceed [4]

The Israeli Ambassador and British intelligence experts blamed pro-Iranian extremists, probably linked to Hezbollah. Thirteen hours later a similar car bomb exploded outside a Jewish charity in North London.

Two Palestinian science graduates who were educated in the UK, Jawad Botmeh and Samar Alami, were apprehended in 1995, and found guilty of the bombings in 1996. They were sentenced to 20 years in jail, and lost their appeal in 2001.

In all, Hezbollah is blamed by the United Kingdom, Argentina and Israel for the three terrorist attacks carried out against Jewish and Israeli targets on July 18 and July 26. 107 people were killed and 320 wounded in the attacks.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11543648&posted=1#post11543648

Click on the links. Read the articles.I cliked
the first one says "hijacked by Organization for the Oppressed of the Earth"

the last one says "blamed".

weak stuff.

Calling for mass deportations of the Jews...
No, I did not say that.

Actually, you did. Right here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11543409&postcount=30).

Moving on. While I don't necessarily think that Israel's current actions are a good idea, I do happen to believe that they have a right to exist for the following reasons. Firstly, yes. The United Nations did create Israel, but they did so in an area that has strong ties to the Jewish faith, and was their ancestral homeland. Significant archaeological evidence has been found showing that the kingdom of Israel (run by David, Solomon et. al) existed in the same general area that modern-day Israel does. If biblical texts are to be believed (and I'm not suggesting that they are, necessarily), then the modern day Israelis' ancestors were also the first people to construct major settlements there, and unquestionably the first to base a relatively powerful kingdom from that area.

If such nations as the United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil or any other nation in the Americas are to be acknowledged as nations, then so too must Israel be.

All the nations in the Americas came about by the subjugation and marginalization of native people, in a much more systematic and brutal way than the modern-day Israelis ever have. As of yet, no nation on the planet as sought to invalidate, say, Canada on these grounds, and I suspect that no nation ever will. This clearly seems to show that there is more going on in the Israel v. the Arab World conflict than simply one group of people trying to get their stolen homes back. It has to do with religion (the Dome of the Rock is in Jerusalem), and escalating racial tension. At this point, I don't think it would matter what got done or said; the two groups would go on trying to kill each other simply because they're used to it.

Actually, you did. mass--Deportation? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11543409&postcount=30)..No I did not say "that", what I said was:

"They artificially created Israel in arabLand.. They should correct their mistake and recreate Israel in NorthAmerica or Europe..

I know exactly what you said. Tell me, how is that any different at all from deporting the Jews, since Israel is, quite literally, a land filled with Jewish people? You can't relocate a nation without relocating the people.

I know exactly what you said. .then use my words..

"Mass deportation" are NOT my words.

It amounts to the same thing, and splitting hairs will not win you points in debate, just irritated looks.

... just irritated looks.whatever...
Your time is up.. Ill be back in 12h+

Have a trippy night.

the Iran hostage crisis of 1979-1981
You are aware of the US intervention in Middle East politics (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6308.htm)before this event, especially in support of the Shah of Iran? If not then perhaps you need to do some research?

the 1982 embassy bombing
the 1983 barracks bombing
the 1986 disco bombing in Germany
the achille lauro
flight 587
the lockerbee jet bombing
the world trade center bombing
the Saudi embassy bombing
the u.s.s cole
september 11, 2001

all before the "axis of evil" was articulated and the Iraq war began....this is nothing new we are facing.Normal is not good. I have no idea what news outlet you have been getting news from since 1979 but you must have missed those events....
What do any of the above have to do with Iraq or Iran?

Edit: what does flight 587 have to do with any of this topic?

flight 587...

the one that crashed in New York? What did that have to do with a terror attack? I thought it was a acident pure n simple? Although tragic...

*whispers*

I think it's dead.

EDIT: Or at least, both Barry and Ocean have gone to sleep, which means that sanity will one day return to this thread.

I thought IKEA was Swedish.

If Bush funds Jewish bombs and tanks.. Why shouldnt others be able to fund Hezbollah. ??
Because Hezbollah is out to kill all Jews. Israel is, at least in principle, only out to defend itself.

Because Hezbollah is out to kill all Jews. Israel is, at least in principle, only out to defend itself.

by killing everyone else. you cant go ethnic cleansing and then whine about shit.

If Bush funds Jewish bombs and tanks.. Why shouldnt others be able to fund Hezbollah. ??
Because Hezbollah is out to kill all Jews. Israel is, at least in principle, only out to defend itself.

Please, don't say "Bush funds Jewish bombs". Say "America funds Israeli bombs. This didn't start with Bush, and not everyone in Israel or even the IDF is a Jew. And most Jews are not Israeli.

Saudis support hezbollah
No they don't, not in rhetoric and certainly not in material. "Hezbollah's irrespoinsible actions are damaging to Islam."

Who is a Terrorist and who isnt?

who gets to decide? You?
The definition of terrorism is not a mystery.

Terrorism is the systematic use or threatened use of violence to intimidate a population or government and thereby effect political, religious, or ideological change.

the UN.

They artificially created Israel in arabLand.. They should correct their mistake and recreate Israel in NorthAmerica or Europe.
Why bring this into it? Now I understand why you don't think Hezbollah are terrorists. You share their goal.

so what?
They shouldn't do it, because they are funding the deliberate killing of Israelis.

care to show us Hezbolla on the UN "terror list"

*hint* Bush has been lobbyng several Countries and the EU.. pressuring them to include Hezbollah on their list of terrorist organiztion.
I would be pretty surprised if Hezbollah is not already on the terror lists of every country in the EU.

I think OceanDrives sympatize with Iran.
Ya think? In the recent past he has shown apathy or sometimes support for the killing of Jews.

Keruvalia is just as bad.

why not?

I could stop the bloodshed.
I would save a lot of children lives.
Israel is the only real democracy in the region. Getting rid of Israel is not the best way to end Arab anti-Semitism.

Hezbollah mission is to fight Zionism and kick Zionist occupation soldiers out of Lebanon
Which is why it killed all those Argentine Jews who were occupying Lenanon in Buenos Aires... er.. yes.

Terrorism is the systematic use or threatened use of violence to intimidate a population or government and thereby effect political, religious, or ideological changes.By your definition Israel is a terrorist org

A regime being wiped off the map and Israel being wiped off the map are not the same thing.

A regime being wiped off the map and Israel being wiped off the map are not the same thing.WeightWatchers wiped out my aunt's love handles http://www.weightwatchers.com/international
in other parts of the World a "regime" is about diet.
;)

Why can't I find anything about this on:

BBC (http://www.bbcworld.com/content/template_newsheadlines.asp?pageid=71)
CNN (http://www.cnn.com/)
ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/?lid=ABCCOMMenu&lpos=ABCNews)

or even Foxnews (http://www.foxnews.com/)

Surely, if it was that hot, it would be everywhere...

well after all,India never agreed(while Iran did,back when the dictator((Shah)),was in power),but the US are to give them(India) more help.
So i think Iran as every rights to not agree with this swindle.

Why can't I find anything about this on:

BBC (http://www.bbcworld.com/content/template_newsheadlines.asp?pageid=71)
CNN (http://www.cnn.com/)
ABC (http://abcnews.go.com/?lid=ABCCOMMenu&lpos=ABCNews)

or even Foxnews (http://www.foxnews.com/)

Surely, if it was that hot, it would be everywhere...
I don't know. But this one caught my attention: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4790005.stm

I wonder if he has a myspace too. Or a youtube channel.

Yea, but USA, Russia, India, and Pakistan didn't have leaders who said that one of their main goals in life was to wipe the other one off the face of the earth.
I think you'll find that you're totally wrong there.

I don't know. But this one caught my attention: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4790005.stm

I wonder if he has a myspace too. Or a youtube channel.

Could be funny. I'll check it out...

Really, the guy shouldn't use his own name for his blog. It's pretty friggin' hard! :eek:

Ok, can someone read Iranian?

http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/

Ok, can someone read Iranian?

http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/
Heh, apparently it isn't there anymore. My guess is it received too many visitors.

Ok, can someone read Iranian?

http://www.ahmadinejad.ir/

you mean Farsi?

Well either Israel will be screwed, or Iran will be screwed. I would keep an eye on Aug. 22. That date was discussed in another thread.


MY THREAD!!!!!:)

You've been living under a rock haven't ya?

Iran's President have called for Israel to be wiped off the face of the earth.

You mean Irans government does not like to have an unfriendly neighbour that is known to launch "pre-emptive strikes" against countries it does not trust and is in possession of illegal nuclear weapons against which noone acts ? How... peculiar.

Iran probably wants to manafacture illegal nuclear weapons. But Israel has already done so.

The US has been saying for years that we are in a new world where international agreements can cease to be binding if they infringe on national sovereignty, or undermine the national interest. In recognition of this new state of affairs, the US has torn up lots of them. I don't see why any other country should not be allowed to do the same. Is any international agreement, legally binding or not, worth the paper it is printed on?

The US has been saying for years that we are in a new world where international agreements can cease to be binding if they infringe on national sovereignty, or undermine the national interest. In recognition of this new state of affairs, the US has torn up lots of them. I don't see why any other country should not be allowed to do the same. Is any international agreement, legally binding or not, worth the paper it is printed on?
I don't think that's a new thing.

Was the Kellogg-Briand treaty worth the paper it was written on?

and it would be giving in to terrorism, and all of the things from my last post. If Hezbollah was mad about Israel being a country they would attack the UN because that is who did it. They attack Israel because they hate jews.

8 pages and no-one called him on this?

if it was the chinese who took over arab lands based on a 3000 year old manuscrpit they hold dear do you think the reaction would have been different?

they hate israelis not because they are jewish, but because they stole arab land. the religion of the colonisers is irrelevant and a massive distraction from the issue at hand.

and when did hezbollah 'deny the holocaust'?

8 pages and no-one called him on this?

if it was the chinese who took over arab lands based on a 3000 year old manuscrpit they hold dear do you think the reaction would have been different?

they hate israelis not because they are jewish, but because they stole arab land. the religion of the colonisers is irrelevant and a massive distraction from the issue at hand.

and when did hezbollah 'deny the holocaust'?

Seeing as these people are impossible to deal with as they blatantly ignore facts and swallow the media bullshit, I wouldnt even bother.

8 pages and no-one called him on this?

if it was the chinese who took over arab lands based on a 3000 year old manuscrpit they hold dear do you think the reaction would have been different?

they hate israelis not because they are jewish, but because they stole arab land. the religion of the colonisers is irrelevant and a massive distraction from the issue at hand.

and when did hezbollah 'deny the holocaust'?
then whar?