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Has anyone seen "World Trade Center"? I saw it a few hours ago and all I have to say is... whoa.

The scariest part of the movie is when you realize... this stuff ACTUALLY happened, only about 5 years ago. And then the towers collapse, there's news reporters everywhere... wow. It's scary. I went to the bathroom at one point in the movie, and when I came back I saw the scene where the tower collapses... I just froze there, it was to terrifying.

Has anyone else seen it?

No. I'll see it when it in 50 years upon the first remake.

no. and i never will.

Just watch the news any time there's something on about terrorists and they'll have clips from 11/9. Cheaper and faster than a movie.

I've not seen it, but I probably won't. Patriotic trollop droppings.

I like how we can bravely merchandize even in the face of tragedy. 9/11 wasn't but five years ago. Have you ALREADY forgotten what it was like? Do you HAVE to shell out $7.50 for a ticket, $3 for a popcorn and $2.50 for a Coke to be reminded? You're a douche.

sounds shit whats it about?:p

No I haven't and no I won't.

sounds shit whats it about?:p
You can't say that. It has Nicholas Cage.

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Jeez, couldn't you just have stated your opinion without insulting the OP? What, too much of an effort? :rolleyes:

I liked the movie in that it portrayed bombs in the building which strongly suggests that it was a US government inside job. great acting too. I froze up too, on it, and when I watch reruns of the news of that day on the internet now and then.

I like how we can bravely merchandize even in the face of tragedy. 9/11 wasn't but five years ago. Have you ALREADY forgotten what it was like? Do you HAVE to shell out $7.50 for a ticket, $3 for a popcorn and $2.50 for a Coke to be reminded? You're a douche.

I DO remember, I was nine years old at the time, I remeber there being a lockdown at school and coming home to see the towers fall on the news. I apologize for seeing a movie about somehting that ACTUALLY HAPPENED five years ago. Why insult me, anyway? I went with a friend, he wanted to see the movie.

By the way, don't insult me for STILL being shocked at a re-enactment of something that happened 5 years ago.

And notice how I refrained from name-calling?

Well, for being 9 when it happened (making you 14 or so), congrats at seeing the movie and taking a interest in the catylist of the New American Century

Just watch the news any time there's something on about terrorists and they'll have clips from 11/9. Cheaper and faster than a movie.

True, but the movie was much better than the news, the movie didn't keep going on and on about al-Qaeda, and it actually kept my attention. The news doesn't do that.

Nah I probably won't go see it. Most likely it's like another Hollywood Blockbuster kinda deal. United 93 did it better anyways.

Eh, they made movies about Pearl Harbor during the war, and that was a lot less time after the events occured. I've no problem with this movie. I most likely won't see it, as per the fact I haven't gone to the theater for a movie in ages (except for Confederate States of America, but that's a whole different story, that was hilarious). Of course, if Oli Stone stuck bullshit conspiracy theories into it, then I really won't see it in theaters but I might rent it (god bless DrugMarts .75 cent rentals!)

True, but the movie was much better than the news, the movie didn't keep going on and on about al-Qaeda, and it actually kept my attention. The news doesn't do that.
As a journalism major, this made me cry.

Sounds fucking gash. I'm sick of hearing about 9/11 already, why would I want to see a film about it?

I DO remember, I was nine years old at the time, I remeber there being a lockdown at school and coming home to see the towers fall on the news. I apologize for seeing a movie about somehting that ACTUALLY HAPPENED five years ago. Why insult me, anyway? I went with a friend, he wanted to see the movie.

By the way, don't insult me for STILL being shocked at a re-enactment of something that happened 5 years ago.

And notice how I refrained from name-calling?
Ah, you're 14. That's how old I was when it happened. Sorry 'bout the name, I have a bad habit of assuming everyone is around my age or older around here. I would have defended calling you that if you were 16+. But, you're young and you're yet to learn that everyone is out to make a quick buck and are more than willing to capitalize on a the deaths of 5000 people if it'll get them $200 million in ticket sales and merchandizing. But hey, drop me a line the day you realize that. I love to see the innocence and doe-eyed optimism crushed out of the young.

I liked the movie in that it portrayed bombs in the building which strongly suggests that it was a US government inside job. great acting too. I froze up too, on it, and when I watch reruns of the news of that day on the internet now and then.
You really should read this thread. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494792

Perhaps you will learn something and stop posting your conspiracy shit.

Ah, you're 14. That's how old I was when it happened. Sorry 'bout the name, I have a bad habit of assuming everyone is around my age or older around here. I would have defended calling you that if you were 16+. But, you're young and you're yet to learn that everyone is out to make a quick buck and are more than willing to capitalize on a the deaths of 5000 people if it'll get them $200 million in ticket sales and merchandizing. But hey, drop me a line the day you realize that. I love to see the innocence and doe-eyed optimism crushed out of the young.Agreed.

Ah, you're 14. That's how old I was when it happened. Sorry 'bout the name, I have a bad habit of assuming everyone is around my age or older around here. I would have defended calling you that if you were 16+. But, you're young and you're yet to learn that everyone is out to make a quick buck and are more than willing to capitalize on a the deaths of 5000 people if it'll get them $200 million in ticket sales and merchandizing. But hey, drop me a line the day you realize that. I love to see the innocence and doe-eyed optimism crushed out of the young.

I have no doe-eyed optimism. I actually wasn't planning to see the movie, my friend had never told me what movie we were seeing and I forgot that "World Trade center" was out. But I think your view is a bit extreme, since the movie was about what two real people had been through... and not everyone is willing to "capitalize on the deaths of 5000 people if it'll get them $200 million in ticket sales and merchandizing".

And by the way, which POV is scarier, that of a 9-year-old in elementary school, or 2 cops who were buried under all sorts of rubble and crap for ages? That movie was still scary.

As a journalism major, this made me cry.

If you plan to report on al-Qaeda and other Irafghyrianonanaq BS, then I don't plan to apologize for that.

If however you report on something else... sorry for that, but it's true.

I would have never figured Oliver Stone for making a 9/11 movie. He doesnt really seem the director.

I would have never figured Oliver Stone for making a 9/11 movie. He doesnt really seem the director.
I wouldn't be surprised if he made one sympathetic to the terrorists. Just to shock people.

Maybe I'll see it this week. Although it sounds cheesy.

I would have never figured Oliver Stone for making a 9/11 movie. He doesnt really seem the director.
The only way I envisioned him making a movie would be if it were conspiracy **** like Loose Change. Oliver Stone intentionally filled "JFK" with misinformation to make people buy the conspiracy theories.

I would have never figured Oliver Stone for making a 9/11 movie. He doesnt really seem the director.
The only way I envisioned him making a movie would be if it were conspiracy **** like Loose Change. Oliver Stone intentionally filled "JFK" with misinformation to make people buy the conspiracy theories.

I'm not really interested in movies about 9/11..

I'll rent it when it's available on DVD. Unlike most people, I'm not going to just dismiss it immediately as a "RAA RAA LET'S BE PATRIOTIC!" type of movie, nor will I dismiss it as merely an artifact of someone making a quick buck or two. I will give it the same chance I'd give any other movie. Frankly, I don't expect too much out of it, though.

Has anyone seen "World Trade Center"? I saw it a few hours ago and all I have to say is... whoa.

The scariest part of the movie is when you realize... this stuff ACTUALLY happened, only about 5 years ago. And then the towers collapse, there's news reporters everywhere... wow. It's scary. I went to the bathroom at one point in the movie, and when I came back I saw the scene where the tower collapses... I just froze there, it was to terrifying.

Has anyone else seen it?
I saw the towers collapse on TV, and I do not need to see it again...thanks anyways.

Excellent timing for the movie though, it should be able to help some Republicans get re-elected.

Has anyone seen "World Trade Center"? I saw it a few hours ago and all I have to say is... whoa.

The scariest part of the movie is when you realize... this stuff ACTUALLY happened, only about 5 years ago. And then the towers collapse, there's news reporters everywhere... wow. It's scary. I went to the bathroom at one point in the movie, and when I came back I saw the scene where the tower collapses... I just froze there, it was to terrifying.

Has anyone else seen it?


That caused you to freeze? You must have nearly died at a holloween or Friday the 13th movie.

How many more movies about 9/11 do we really need? Was this one like a ton better than the other 100+ movies on the same subject that were made in the last five years or what?

Also, if it did portray that there were bombs in the building then that's good. We need to reexamine 9/11 to find out what happened. The buildings could not have been brought down in the manner portrayed in all available film footage at the site by just an airplane.

How many more movies about 9/11 do we really need? Was this one like a ton better than the other 100+ movies on the same subject that were made in the last five years or what?
This is the 3rd one made, to my knowledge. I never saw the first two, and this one I did see and rather liked.

Also, if it did portray that there were bombs in the building then that's good. We need to reexamine 9/11 to find out what happened. The buildings could not have been brought down in the manner portrayed in all available film footage at the site by just an airplane.[/QUOTE]

It didn't portray that there were bombs in the building. Yeah there was all sorts of crap blowing up but that wasn't bombs, that was crap randomly blowing up from stuff still moving around.

And geez, I've been flamed about 20 times, just for going to see a movie about 9/11. I didn't know we were going to see it, and I wasn't exactly ready for it either, but it was still a good movie. Is that a crime now, that can make me a "douche", or are you guys just flaming an innocent Pancake?

That caused you to freeze? You must have nearly died at a holloween or Friday the 13th movie.

Never saw those. I don't watch those types of movies anyways.

Most of what caused me to freeze was the fact that THIS WAS A REENACTMENT OF WHAT HAPPENED ON 9/11.

Yeah I'm avoiding this movie like I avoided United 93. Go to hell Hollywood.

I have no doe-eyed optimism. I actually wasn't planning to see the movie, my friend had never told me what movie we were seeing and I forgot that "World Trade center" was out. But I think your view is a bit extreme, since the movie was about what two real people had been through... and not everyone is willing to "capitalize on the deaths of 5000 people if it'll get them $200 million in ticket sales and merchandizing".

And by the way, which POV is scarier, that of a 9-year-old in elementary school, or 2 cops who were buried under all sorts of rubble and crap for ages? That movie was still scary.Are you the same as Persephone Skye? I'll assume so. Let me teach you a few things. Why do you think the producers invested their money to make this film? Let me tell you, I can guarantee that it's not so that they can tell the courageous story of two victims of the attack and more so they can make more money so they can buy another Porsche and a better pool. Also, the point of living with tragedy isn't who's point of view is scarier and more provocative, it's that it was a tragedy, and the world experienced it together.

If you plan to report on al-Qaeda and other Irafghyrianonanaq BS, then I don't plan to apologize for that.

If however you report on something else... sorry for that, but it's true.Kid, you're going to be hearing a shitton more about Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, et cetera in the coming years. You're young now, and it's easy not to care. But when I was your age, 9/11 happened. All of a sudden, I had to care. I hope that you either become interested in the news by 18 or you don't vote.

Are you the same as Persephone Skye? I'll assume so. Let me teach you a few things. Why do you think the producers invested their money to make this film? Let me tell you, I can guarantee that it's not so that they can tell the courageous story of two victims of the attack and more so they can make more money so they can buy another Porsche and a better pool. Also, the point of living with tragedy isn't who's point of view is scarier and more provocative, it's that it was a tragedy, and the world experienced it together. True, but I was talking about the movie itself, and how it compared with my own experiences. I don't know what the producers were up to while making that film. Yes I think it is way early to show a film like that, but I'm not one to leap to conclusions that everyone is t3h 3b1l when they make films about 9/11.

Kid, you're going to be hearing a shitton more about Iraq, Afganistan, Iran, et cetera in the coming years. You're young now, and it's easy not to care. But when I was your age, 9/11 happened. All of a sudden, I had to care. I hope that you either become interested in the news by 18 or you don't vote.

Easy not to care? Possibly. Interested? Not anymore. I was interested a long time ago, when Bush seemed smarter. Now I just hope that this ends, and soon. I do plan to vote when I'm 18, so hopefully I can have some role (however insignificant) in how my country is run. And trust me, with all this crap going on, we're never getting out of the Middle East. Ever.

I'll rent it when it's available on DVD. Unlike most people, I'm not going to just dismiss it immediately as a "RAA RAA LET'S BE PATRIOTIC!" type of movie, nor will I dismiss it as merely an artifact of someone making a quick buck or two. I will give it the same chance I'd give any other movie. Frankly, I don't expect too much out of it, though.
Agreed I like to give things a chanse regardless ... but I will wait till I can rent it

True, but I was talking about the movie itself, and how it compared with my own experiences. I don't know what the producers were up to while making that film. Yes I think it is way early to show a film like that, but I'm not one to leap to conclusions that everyone is t3h 3b1l when they make films about 9/11.Kid, I never said it was evil. I just said that's the way the world works. Fuck, I'm in journalism. If there's tragedy, we're there. I'm going to into the industry of selling information. Is it wrong? Eh, probably is, but I'm not going to deny it.

Easy not to care? Possibly. Interested? Not anymore. I was interested a long time ago, when Bush seemed smarter. Now I just hope that this ends, and soon. I do plan to vote when I'm 18, so hopefully I can have some role (however insignificant) in how my country is run. And trust me, with all this crap going on, we're never getting out of the Middle East. Ever.
Believe you? Kid, I don't need a fourteen year-old telling me we're going to be in the Middle East for a long time for the exact same reason that I don't need a fourteen year-old kid telling me the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. You should get interested in current events. An informed vote is a true vote.

They are donating every cent they make off of the movie to the memorial construction, right?

Wait...no they aren't.

Guess I'll never see the fucking movie then.

Has anyone seen "World Trade Center"? I saw it a few hours ago and all I have to say is... whoa.

The scariest part of the movie is when you realize... this stuff ACTUALLY happened, only about 5 years ago. And then the towers collapse, there's news reporters everywhere... wow. It's scary. I went to the bathroom at one point in the movie, and when I came back I saw the scene where the tower collapses... I just froze there, it was to terrifying.

Has anyone else seen it?


Um..dude, yeah, I saw it live 5 years ago. This movie is simply showing how horrible capitalism is.

Has anyone seen "World Trade Center"? I saw it a few hours ago and all I have to say is... whoa.

The scariest part of the movie is when you realize... this stuff ACTUALLY happened, only about 5 years ago. And then the towers collapse, there's news reporters everywhere... wow. It's scary. I went to the bathroom at one point in the movie, and when I came back I saw the scene where the tower collapses... I just froze there, it was to terrifying.

Has anyone else seen it?


No, a proper film of it couldn't have been made 5 years after. It would hve been like making a film about the Holocaust in 1950. Though in saying that, I have heard its good and I wil go to see it probably.

No, a proper film of it couldn't have been made 5 years after. It would hve been like making a film about the Holocaust in 1950. Though in saying that, I have heard its good and I wil go to see it probably.
You're kidding, right?

Films about WWII were being made during that war. Most were propaganda flicks, to be sure, but a few are classics (Casablanca, Saboteur, and Confessions of a Nazi Spy come to mind).

Oliver Stone sucks at sentimentality. The film was mawkish and proves that Stone is a niche filmmaker who strayed out of his hole.

Having seen this and compared it to Paul Greengrass's United 93, I can say that if Greengrass had been endowed with Stone's budget, WTC would have been much better that it was. There's too much Hollywood in WTC, and while United 93 is more sterile, I prefer that to being goosed and goaded by a filmmaker.

United 93 is a better film.

That caused you to freeze? You must have nearly died at a holloween or Friday the 13th movie.
Uh...9/11 actually happened.

Michael Myers (Halloween) and Jason Voorhees (Friday the 13th) are fictional. Horror movies don't scare everyone. They make me laugh, personally. Now, show me a scene in which someone has an MI, drowns or something else that's actually possible and plausible? That's far more likely to send a shiver down my spine.

Kid, I never said it was evil. I just said that's the way the world works. Fuck, I'm in journalism. If there's tragedy, we're there. I'm going to into the industry of selling information. Is it wrong? Eh, probably is, but I'm not going to deny it.


Believe you? Kid, I don't need a fourteen year-old telling me we're going to be in the Middle East for a long time for the exact same reason that I don't need a fourteen year-old kid telling me the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. You should get interested in current events. An informed vote is a true vote.
And just how old are you, son?

Kid, I never said it was evil. I just said that's the way the world works. Fuck, I'm in journalism. If there's tragedy, we're there. I'm going to into the industry of selling information. Is it wrong? Eh, probably is, but I'm not going to deny it.


Believe you? Kid, I don't need a fourteen year-old telling me we're going to be in the Middle East for a long time for the exact same reason that I don't need a fourteen year-old kid telling me the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. You should get interested in current events. An informed vote is a true vote.

Good God! You do make good points, but could you be any more patronising towards him?

You're like one of those old farts who puts a boy on his knee and tells him a long story that ends with absolute patronising overiding anything to be learnt by the boy except older people are patronising and alienating youth.


Kid, see, back when I was in Nam.....we were fighting Pinko commies see, doing what we were told.....I was out with my platoon, and I grabbed Charlie and slit his throat like a pig, like the pig he was....I've seen it all, don't tell me about Charlie....

Kid, see back when I was knee high to a grasshopper, the Germans were bayoneting babies and eating them alive. ALIVE I TELL YOU! Nothing will change my mind kid, you're a kid, and I'm older, so you know, I know better.

Kid, on the third turn, don't brake, overtake on the outside. Risky, I know, but that's Nascar! I would drive her myself if '78 had not happened....my God, that was a bloodbath, turn eight...remember it like yesterday.

Kid, you ever heard of Turkish prisons?

Kid, I'm a cynic, I seen it all. Nothing you can say can change my mind, except you're a kid to be talked down to, kid.

Kid, what are you 14? My god, when I was 14, I was in the Foreign Legion...

Kid, do you like my impression of Humphery Bogart?

Here's looking at you, Kid.

Kid, turn that noise down! Call that music? You should try Glen Miller!

And just how old are you, son?
Hey man, fair enough. But I don't go around telling twenty-four year-olds shit about world politics that they undoubtedly already know. Me to a 24 year-old: "Yeah, did you know that peak oil will have an adverse side effect on global politics and economics?" 24 year-old to me:"Yeah man, you've been living under a rock or something? Of course I know that. I don't need a 19 year-old telling me shit I already know." I gave the same treatment I would expect.

Good God! You do make good points, but could you be any more patronising towards him?

You're like one of those old farts who puts a boy on his knee and tells him a long story that ends with absolute patronising overiding anything to be learnt by the boy except older people are patronising and alienating youth.
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Oh! You should meet me in real life, chachi. I can be WAY more condesending in person. And I may have posted like that. Aw, hell, I did. Intentionally, I might add. In the thread about the Berlin Wall, I posted about how one of my earliest memories is it being torn down and my mom telling me that it was one of the most important things I'd ever see. The next post was someone saying that the entire Berlin Wall occured before they were even born. So I guess I was feeling a little old, chachi. Also, I look forward to being older and patronizing young people. I'll call them "whipper-snappers" and shit like that. I'll listen to The Shins and Sufjan Stevens and tell them that it's real music unlike the crap they call music thenadays. It'll be sweet.

Dont say Great Movie please...Its not great when 2,000 something people are getting killed by Towel Heads

I havent seen it yet but I am appalled at the amount of people who won't see it either because its gonna be too pro american, or because they are too pro american to watch a film that might not be. Watch it before you bitch about it. Perhaps its a drama about real people which doesnt glorify either terrorism or America.

Dont say Great Movie please...Its not great when 2,000 something people are getting killed by Towel Heads
Where was the qualifier for cost in there ... he was not evaluating the movie against the cost of life

That would have happened with or without the movie

How does it honestly effect the worth of the MOVIE

They are donating every cent they make off of the movie to the memorial construction, right?

Wait...no they aren't.

Guess I'll never see the fucking movie then.
Why should they?

I doubt that I will see it, I have yet to read a good review and the content doesn't appeal to me. Here is one of them:
http://www.avclub.com/content/node/51421

Good God! You do make good points, but could you be any more patronising towards him?

You're like one of those old farts who puts a boy on his knee and tells him a long story that ends with absolute patronising overiding anything to be learnt by the boy except older people are patronising and alienating youth.


Kid, see, back when I was in Nam.....we were fighting Pinko commies see, doing what we were told.....I was out with my platoon, and I grabbed Charlie and slit his throat like a pig, like the pig he was....I've seen it all, don't tell me about Charlie....

Kid, see back when I was knee high to a grasshopper, the Germans were bayoneting babies and eating them alive. ALIVE I TELL YOU! Nothing will change my mind kid, you're a kid, and I'm older, so you know, I know better.

Kid, on the third turn, don't brake, overtake on the outside. Risky, I know, but that's Nascar! I would drive her myself if '78 had not happened....my God, that was a bloodbath, turn eight...remember it like yesterday.

Kid, you ever heard of Turkish prisons?

Kid, I'm a cynic, I seen it all. Nothing you can say can change my mind, except you're a kid to be talked down to, kid.

Kid, what are you 14? My god, when I was 14, I was in the Foreign Legion...

Kid, do you like my impression of Humphery Bogart?

Here's looking at you, Kid.

Kid, turn that noise down! Call that music? You should try Glen Miller!

Jesus! You make even better points!

Okay, when I wrote that, it was 12:30 AM, so if it didn't make much sense then I apologize. But I STILL think it's going to take forever to get out, not because of 9/11, but because of Iraq. We should never have gone in, and now we'll likely never get out, at least within several years (and by then the only people inhabiting the Middle East will be a bunch of soldiers shoveling bodies into mass graves). And Kapsilan, all your posts seem to be patronizing.

You can't say that. It has Nicholas Cage.

Nicholas Cage is scary. It's a proven fact.

I saw the movie Saturday night and thought it was well done.


No bullshit conspiracy theories, just an accurate portrayal of hardworking, good Americans that became victims that day, as well as the selfless heroes that risked their lives to save them.
I hope the movie will serve to unite Americans and remind us again that we and our way of life are good.

As a person who lost people I knew, buddies of my dad at NYPD, on 911, and a person who's father risked his own life to pull bodies from the world trade center, I can tell you this: This movie will help people remember the patriotism, zeal in the fight against terror, and sense of right and wrong's clear moral choice that we all felt after 911, and some of us have lost. People are forgetting the lessons of 911 today and it is a dangerous thing.

People are forgetting the lessons of 911 today and it is a dangerous thing.
Oh don't worry, its being drilled into people 24 hours a day with mainstream media. Forgetting is the last thing you could do, even if you wanted to.

Oh don't worry, its being drilled into people 24 hours a day with mainstream media. Forgetting is the last thing you could do, even if you wanted to.

Ok, do me a favor. Turn on Fox news today. Turn on CNN. Turn on MSNBC. Open the NY times. Open the wall street Journal. Tell me how many times you hear any reference to 911 in any way. Than make your crazy claim. I know you are not being accurate because I am a huge news buff and really don't see the mainstream media talking about 911 at all. Even if they did, this cut and run surrendermonkey , we give in al-queda because it is too hard to fight you crap is a direct contradiction to the lessons of 911 and a growing number of Americans are buying into it.

Oh don't worry, its being drilled into people 24 hours a day with mainstream media. Forgetting is the last thing you could do, even if you wanted to.


Thats far from true. people have already grown complacent and are even outwardly smug and condescending, as evidenced by the responses in two other 9/11 threads open right now.

Ok, do me a favor. Turn on Fox news today. Turn on CNN. Turn on MSNBC. Open the NY times. Open the wall street Journal. Tell me how many times you hear any reference to 911 in any way. Than make your crazy claim. I know you are not being accurate because I am a huge news buff and really don't see the mainstream media talking about 911 at all.
The print media is one of the few areas where I haven't seen it prevalent. Yes, I was exaggerating when I said "24 hours a day". The sentiment remains. I can especially see this in Hollywood films. For instance recently, the 'uproar' over the removal of "...and the American way" from the Superman film. The criticism of "forgetting what the people died for on Sept. 11th" etc etc. was a frequent point raised (albeit by COnservative bloggers...but meh)

Over saturation makes people stop caring- not the lack of exposure.

Even if they did, this cut and run surrendermonkey , we give in al-queda because it is too hard to fight you crap is a direct contradiction to the lessons of 911 and a growing number of Americans are buying into it.
Um.... what?

You bet they are smug and arrogant. They have forgot what happened to my country that day. Their entire political ideology when it comes to foreign policy is dependent on terrorism not being taken as a serious threat. That is why 911 and remembering it irks them so.

As a person who lost people I knew, buddies of my dad at NYPD, on 911, and a person who's father risked his own life to pull bodies from the world trade center, I can tell you this: This movie will help people remember the patriotism, zeal in the fight against terror, and sense of right and wrong's clear moral choice that we all felt after 911, and some of us have lost. People are forgetting the lessons of 911 today and it is a dangerous thing.

Hats off to your father, by the way. People in NYC-and across America-put their differences aside for a while. Anonymous strangers helped others.
How many people stopped heir daily rountine and went to the WTC site to help in any way they could? People with medical experience, police,firemen, from all over flocked there to help. Ordinary citizens showed up with food & drinks & shovels and got to work removing debris by hand, praying to find survivors.
We're damn good people and we need to remember that.

You bet they are smug and arrogant. They have forgot what happened to my country that day. Their entire political ideology when it comes to foreign policy is dependent on terrorism not being taken as a serious threat. That is why 911 and remembering it irks them so.

Dont let those people frustrate you. Thankfully, we never have to rely on them when help is needed.

You bet they are smug and arrogant. They have forgot what happened to my country that day. Their entire political ideology when it comes to foreign policy is dependent on terrorism not being taken as a serious threat. That is why 911 and remembering it irks them so.
What infuriates me to no end is this attitude that a bunch of starving orphans in Somalia is more important than 911. Dig out the "are you sick of hearing about 911" thread, you'll see what I mean.

You bet they are smug and arrogant. They have forgot what happened to my country that day. Their entire political ideology when it comes to foreign policy is dependent on terrorism not being taken as a serious threat. That is why 911 and remembering it irks them so.
Who's being smug and arrogant? :confused:

The print media is one of the few areas I haven't seen it prevalent. Yes, I was exaggerating when I said "24 hours a day". The sentiment remains. I can especially see this in Hollywood films. For instance, the 'uproar' over the removal of "...and the American way" from the Superman film. The criticism of "forgetting what the people died for on Sept. 11th" etc etc.

Over saturation makes people stop caring- not the lack of exposure.


Um.... what?

Well, lets see, now that you backed off your previous claim lets see about these. The problem with taking "the American way" out of superman was that it butchered the character's catch phrase which dated back to the 1940's and had been in every rendition of that character ( picture James Bond ordering a sam adams shaken not stirred). Also, it was removed because they altered the character to be less patrioticly motivated, which is a PC crap mistake. Also, people have forgotten the lessons of 911, just look at the cut and run crowd on the Iraq war. If we surrender to al-queda and run away maybe they will never hurt us again....that attitude scares me. If the war is difficult give up. scary. I am not talking about people caring or not caring, or exposure, or lack of exposure, I am talking about the deeper lessons when it comes to the concepts of peace through stregnth, never giving into terrorism, and keeping your word when you say that you will hunt them all down no matter how long it takes or how difficult it gets.

Who's being smug and arrogant? :confused:

All of those who want to see a pull out from Iraq right now.
All of those who have wished themselves into believing 911 conspiracy theories
all of those who think not fighting terrorists will make terrorists not want to fight us
all of those who believe you can negotiate with terrorists
all of those who make flippent or light hearted comments about 911, or the war on terror/Iraq war.

Well, lets see, now that you backed off your previous claim lets see about these. The problem with taking "the American way" out of superman was that it butchered the character's catch phrase which dated back to the 1940's and had been in every rendition of that character ( picture James Bond ordering a sam adams shaken not stirred). Also, it was removed because they altered the character to be less patrioticly motivated, which is a PC crap mistake.
Fair enough. I'm only giving you what I could see from certain 'conservative' reviews. There was one posted on NS General several weeks back. Also, something about the cape not being 'red' enough, therefore it was somehow affecting his 'patriotism'.... *shrug*

All I knows, is that this sense off 'uber patriotism' and 'those who disagree from the party line- leave the country' has been a lot more prevalent post-Sept. 11. I rarely remember seeing it prior to it.

Also, people have forgotten the lessons of 911, just look at the cut and run crowd on the Iraq war. If we surrender to al-queda and run away maybe they will never hurt us again....that attitude scares me. If the war is difficult give up. scary. I am not talking about people caring or not caring, or exposure, or lack of exposure, I am talking about the deeper lessons when it comes to the concepts of peace through stregnth, never giving into terrorism, and keeping your word when you say that you will hunt them all down no matter how long it takes or how difficult it gets.

Yeah, right. Whatever. Purple monkey dishwasher to that.

Fair enough. I'm only giving you what I could see from certain 'conservative' reviews. There was one posted on NS General several weeks back. Also, something about the cape not being 'red' enough, therefore it was somehow affecting his 'patriotism'.... *shrug*

All I knows, is that this sense off 'uber patriotism' and 'those who disagree from the party line- leave the country' has been a lot more prevalent post-Sept. 11. I rarely remember seeing it prior to it.



Yeah, right. Whatever. Purple monkey dishwasher to that.

haha, the cape seemed red to me. Whoever wrote that review sounds like a real asshat...and that's coming from a conservative:D

The hyperpatriotism and hightened national debate since 911 is just an effect of us being under attack and at war. Whenever a country is at war this happens. Usually more so than today. That is why I really do not worry about it. Also, you did not respond in any way to my point about the lessons of 911.

All of those who want to see a pull out from Iraq right now.
All of those who have wished themselves into believing 911 conspiracy theories
all of those who think not fighting terrorists will make terrorists not want to fight us
all of those who believe you can negotiate with terrorists
all of those who make flippent or light hearted comments about 911, or the war on terror/Iraq war.
Lol now who is being smug and arrogant … to me believing only your way to do things is the right way seems to be more smug and arrogant then any of the people you singled out

Lol now who is being smug and arrogant … to me believing only your way to do things is the right way seems to be more smug and arrogant then any of the people you singled out

no, by being humbled by the awful attacks on our country and fighting those who attacked us I am for our country defending itself. The people that I listed are for the cowardly way out. Peace at any price. Cut and run. Surrender. Negotiate. They either never learned or have forgot the lessons of 911. That is why they have such a devil may care, arrogant attitude about terrorism.

"A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. "

Ok, do me a favor. Turn on Fox news today. Turn on CNN. Turn on MSNBC. Open the NY times. Open the wall street Journal. Tell me how many times you hear any reference to 911 in any way. Than make your crazy claim. I know you are not being accurate because I am a huge news buff and really don't see the mainstream media talking about 911 at all. Even if they did, this cut and run surrendermonkey , we give in al-queda because it is too hard to fight you crap is a direct contradiction to the lessons of 911 and a growing number of Americans are buying into it.
Well doing a filtered google search fox news has mentioned 9-11 2880 times in different news articles (seperate pages not mentions)

And that is just what is on fox news published internet articles not including idiologs like Bill or other talking heads

So they have had 1.6 articles per day over 5 years roughly that mentioned 9-11 (or 9/11) in some way shape or form


Edit:
BTW here is how I filtered
http://www.google.com/search?q=+9-11+site:www.foxnews.com&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&as_qdr=all&start=40&sa=N

I did not off hand see any duplicates but still that is a lot

Well doing a filtered google search fox news has mentioned 9-11 2880 times in different news articles (seperate pages not mentions)

And that is just what is on fox news published internet articles not including idiologs like Bill or other talking heads

So they have had 1.6 articles per day over 5 years roughly that mentioned 9-11 (or 9/11) in some way shape or form

and that works out to 24 hours a day how? It is a defining day for our times though.And Fox is the same as the entire mainstream media? I don't know about that!

no, by being humbled by the awful attacks on our country and fighting those who attacked us I am for our country defending itself.

All of those who want to see a pull out from Iraq right now

Iraq didn't attack the United States. Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on the WTC.

They are the false linkages that still permeate through the media.

and that works out to 24 hours a day how? And Fox is the same as the entire mainstream media? I don't know about that!
Thats not what I sad I was showing you an example of 1 news organization

Not to mention that I only showed you an example of their internet published articles

So the actual stats for Fox itself are probably much higher then this just by itself

9830
2880
7,070

Edit: sorry that sounded harsh

And another interesting point that taking BBC CNN and Foxes totals together (9830 2880 7070 respectivly) it averages to about 11 times per day on just online articles

Iraq didn't attack the United States. Iraq had nothing to do with the attack on the WTC.

They are the false linkages that still permeate through the media.


Oh God. Not one of them :rolleyes:

hello anybody? We are not fighting Iraq! Iraq is out allie. We are fighting Islamic extremists who are attacking Iraq the same way that other Islamic extremists attacked us on 911.


I never said that Iraq caused 911. I am saying that those who are committing terrorism on the democracy of Iraq are the same type of bastards that hit us on 911. No way around it. Islamic fascists attacking a democracy, same story, different year and country.

Thats not what I sad I was showing you an example of 1 news organization

Not to mention that I only showed you an example of their internet published articles

So the actual stats for Fox itself are probably much higher then this just by itself

9830
2880
7,070

Edit: sorry that sounded harsh

And another interesting point that taking BBC CNN and Foxes totals together (9830 2880 7070 respectivly) it averages to about 11 times per day on just online articles

Yet people are still managing to forget the lessons of 911. Are people really that stupid? Probably. also, remember that when I need the police I call the number #911. So...that might factor into your article search.

Yet people are still managing to forget the lessons of 911. Are people really that stupid? Probably. also, remember that when I need the police I call the number #911. So...that might factor into your article search.
I have not seen any emergncy numbers in there probably because I limited the serch to "9-11" exactly not the number 911 or any subset of it

I have not seen any emergncy numbers in there probably because I limited the serch to "9-11" exactly not the number 911 or any subset of it

If people remembered the lessons of 911 they would not be calling for a cut and run on Iraq, not be calling for negotiation with terrorists, not be so quick to criticize Israel, the wire tapping, the patriot act, or the military.

If people remembered the lessons of 911 they would not be calling for a cut and run on Iraq, not be calling for negotiation with terrorists, not be so quick to criticize Israel, the wire tapping, the patriot act, or the military.
You're doing it again!

"911" "Iraq" "terrorists"

So vague as to not concretely say it, but vague enough to give the impression of some link.

Thats the exact type of thing that annoys people more. Not the remembering of the incident itself, but the vague allusions and links to todays problems.

If people remembered the lessons of 911 they would not be calling for a cut and run on Iraq, not be calling for negotiation with terrorists, not be so quick to criticize Israel, the wire tapping, the patriot act, or the military.
Ok wtf are you even responding to what I wrote? I did not write about anyone forgetting anything?
I simply showed some interesting data on 9-11 showing up on news sites

I am almost wondering if you are a parody if you have to lambaste those that have opposing POV even when that is not the topic being discussed. at least not with thoes you quote

How many more movies about 9/11 do we really need? Was this one like a ton better than the other 100+ movies on the same subject that were made in the last five years or what?

Also, if it did portray that there were bombs in the building then that's good. We need to reexamine 9/11 to find out what happened. The buildings could not have been brought down in the manner portrayed in all available film footage at the site by just an airplane.Great:rolleyes: Another conspiracy nut

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494792

Go read that thread. It might fix the damage that Loose Change did to your fragile little mind.

Jesus! You make even better points!

Okay, when I wrote that, it was 12:30 AM, so if it didn't make much sense then I apologize. But I STILL think it's going to take forever to get out, not because of 9/11, but because of Iraq. We should never have gone in, and now we'll likely never get out, at least within several years (and by then the only people inhabiting the Middle East will be a bunch of soldiers shoveling bodies into mass graves). And Kapsilan, all your posts seem to be patronizing.
Listen, there's no one on the planet who doesn't think that the US is going to be in the ME for a long time. There's no not making sense on that one, you're stating the obvious.

Great:rolleyes: Another conspiracy nut

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494792

Go read that thread. It might fix the damage that Loose Change did to your fragile little mind.

I didn't say the US planned and carried out the attacks, nor do I beleive so. However, the collapse of the towers could not have occured as it did (ie one story after another) if all that happened was a plane crashing into it.

This is the 3rd one made, to my knowledge. I never saw the first two, and this one I did see and rather liked.


While 100+ is a bit of an exaggeration, it seems that any movie about 9/11 gets alot of undeserved press (at least around the sites I visit). So, I was just wondering if this one is actually a good movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11%2C_2001_attacks_in_arts_and_literature

You're doing it again!

"911" "Iraq" "terrorists"

So vague as to not concretely say it, but vague enough to give the impression of some link.

Thats the exact type of thing that annoys people more. Not the remembering of the incident itself, but the vague allusions and links to todays problems.

Ready...here goes......WE ARE HELPING IRAQ FIGHT TERRORISTS. JUST LIKE WE FOUGHT THE SAME TERRORISTS AFTER 911. simple. You don't get it though. I don't expect you too.

I didn't say the US planned and carried out the attacks, nor do I beleive so. However, the collapse of the towers could not have occured as it did (ie one story after another) if all that happened was a plane crashing into it.

Yes it could have. My own father was in tower 2 and there was no demolition, secondary explosion, only a lot of really hot and fatigued cracking metal. leave the conspiracies at the door.

911 is the defining moment of our generation. How we responded to it and helped others fight Islamic fascism will dominate the history of the next 20 years.

Yes it could have. My own father was in tower 2 and there was no demolition, secondary explosion, only a lot of really hot and fatigued cracking metal. leave the conspiracies at the door.

Yes, well if your father says so, then I guess we can ignore the laws of physics. :rolleyes:

Look, I don't claim to be a phycisist. But the stuff that's been explained to me by people who know what they are talking about is enough for me to believe that the data should be released and looked at again. Where's the harm in that?

911 is the defining moment of our generation. How we responded to it and helped others fight Islamic fascism will dominate the history of the next 20 years.
How we bonded together to recover and help those effected is absolutely a defining moment.

How we have manage to fuck things up and play strong arm brutish tactics and in a despicable fission for prisoners has earned us scorn from a good chunk of the world will dominate the history of the next 20 years weather that was our intent or not

We alone do not make history, and it is not nessisary your golden picture of this war that will get recorded (nor should it)

Yes, well if your father says so, then I guess we can ignore the laws of physics. :rolleyes:

Look, I don't claim to be a phycisist. But the stuff that's been explained to me by people who know what they are talking about is enough for me to believe that the data should be released and looked at again. Where's the harm in that?

ever hear of gravity buddy? When steal is fatigued it gives way and one floor falls on another...because the Earth it is rotating around the sun in a thing called an orbit, and ...oh it would take too long to explain. You can look at data all day long though, if you so choose. Just make sure it is not the same data of UFO sightings, we never landed on the moon, and the secret military draft from election 2004.

How we bonded together to recover and help those effected is absolutely a defining moment.

How we have manage to fuck things up and play strong arm brutish tactics and in a despicable fission for prisoners has earned us scorn from a good chunk of the world will dominate the history of the next 20 years weather that was our intent or not

We alone do not make history, and it is not nessisary your golden picture of this war that will get recorded (nor should it)

watch the spelling. It damages my ability to understand. Look, the f key is not even near the m key...if that is even what you meant to hit....\
anyway, I can't see how Afphganistan's liberation was a bad thing. I cannot see how the lowest casualty per day war in the history of America that liberated millions despite the lies of its opponents will not be celebrated....even if the cut and run crowd has their way and the terrorists gain the upper hand in coming years.

The impacts severed load bearing columns and dislodged fireproofing from the structural steel. Heat from the fires then gradually weakened the structures, causing the floors to sag and the perimeter columns to bow inwards. The towers collapsed abruptly when the perimeter walls finally buckled. Once the collapse was initiated, the enormous weight of the portion of the towers above the impact areas overwhelmed the load bearing capacity of the structures beneath them. Total collapse was then inevitable.

You can look at data all day long though, if you so choose.

So you agree that the data should be released? Glad to find an ally! :p

Why should they?

There's absolutely nothing that says they have to...

...but that doesn't change the fact that they should be, but aren't.

Instead, Nicholas Cage and Oliver Stone get their salaries, the ad-blitz is about what one would expect, and the movie studios get their share as well.

To me, profiting off of 9/11 in this manner is wrong...even if they are trying to tell a story that should be told.

If they wanted me to see this movie, then they needed to be making a real-life impact instead of just a dramatic one. While they may very well be making donations to various organizations, I am sure the lion's share of the profits are going right where they always go. Quite frankly, it sickens me.

...and I am sure I am not the only one who thinks so.

There's absolutely nothing that says they have to...

...but that doesn't change the fact that they should be, but aren't.

Instead, Nicholas Cage and Oliver Stone get their salaries, the ad-blitz is about what one would expect, and the movie studios get their share as well.

To me, profiting off of 9/11 in this manner is wrong...even if they are trying to tell a story that should be told.

If they wanted me to see this movie, then they needed to be making a real-life impact instead of just a dramatic one. While they may very well be making donations to various organizations, I am sure the lion's share of the profits are going right where they always go. Quite frankly, it sickens me.

...and I am sure I am not the only one who thinks so.

Very true. Then again it was done in a very respectful way. The folks that made it are not war profiteers like Michael Moore or somthing.

Time for me to go. May God bless America.

WTF is 9/11? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Very true. Then again it was done in a very respectful way. The folks that made it are not war profiteers like Michael Moore or somthing.

I would have prefered a "disrespectful" movie where every cent of profit went towards the memorial in NYC, or some other organization, than a "respectful" one where it's buisness as usual.

But that's probably just me...

Oh! You should meet me in real life, chachi. I can be WAY more condesending in person. And I may have posted like that. Aw, hell, I did. Intentionally, I might add. In the thread about the Berlin Wall, I posted about.....

*snip* *Cue old timer Kapsilan's recollection and daydream about The Berlin Wall, accompanied by sentimental and dramatic music*

*cuts back to Kapsilan sitting on rocking chair, smoking a tobacco pipe, sitting by roasting fire.*


......So I guess I was feeling a little old, chachi. Also, I look forward to being older and patronizing young people. I'll call them "whipper-snappers" and shit like that. I'll listen to The Shins and Sufjan Stevens and tell them that it's real music unlike the crap they call music thenadays. It'll be sweet.....

*Cue Kapsilan rambling about 'the good old days' before descending into incoherence and then retiring for bed hobbling off with a walking stick and a cup of hot chocolate.*


Do you have piles as well?

I remember The Berlin Wall and it's fall, and Romania's dictator Caecescu and his wife being videoed being put up against a wall and shot, and Tianamen Square.

Still, I'm not ready to pull on the cardigan and comfy slippers just yet.

Sufjan Stevens?! Give me The Clash. Misfits and The Ramones anyday! That's music sonny Jim! None of that racket.

arg... I.....must resist......temptation.......to........turn........into a old fart.......

resist......it.....

WTF is 9/11? :confused: :confused: :confused:
The September 11th attacks on the Twin Towers.

In the UK, 9/11 would actually be November 9th, but for some reason the BBC still calls it that.

Oh God. Not one of them :rolleyes:

hello anybody? We are not fighting Iraq! Iraq is out allie. We are fighting Islamic extremists who are attacking Iraq the same way that other Islamic extremists attacked us on 911.
Why not call it "the war on Islamic nations bearing oil" and just be honest, then?

And if Iraq is an ally, why did you tear down its government and replace it with something that controls the "green zone" of Baghdad and nothing more?

To gain the kind of freedom only death squads and martial law can bring?
To gain "democracy" which has no effect on the everyday lives of any Iraqi other than the ones in the Iraqi Senate?
I never said that Iraq caused 911. I am saying that those who are committing terrorism on the democracy of Iraq are the same type of bastards that hit us on 911. No way around it. Islamic fascists attacking a democracy, same story, different year and country.
You are so very, very gullible. How can you just listen to lies and think they're the truth. Learn about your country. The US has done horrible things over the last sixty or so years. You might see why people want to attack you that way.

The type of soldiers killing innocent people in Iraq is the very same type of bastard responsible for My Lai.
No way around that, either.
The US is attacking a sovereign nation on paper-thin grounds, same story, different year, the same country as 12 years previously.

Very true. Then again it was done in a very respectful way. The folks that made it are not war profiteers like Michael Moore or somthing.
How is this any less "War profiteering" then Michael more.

In fact how is this any less “War profiteering” then your local news station?

How is this any less "War profiteering" then Michael more.

In fact how is this any less “War profiteering” then your local news station?

You don't call WWII 'war-profiteering' Band of Brothers was a series dedicated to the men who risked their lives for us. Its no so much 'war profiteering' as it is about the event which stole our innocence (virginity if you want to call it) and its just a look at what happened and how it happened, questions that no casual viewer of the news would ever get.

Eraclea']You don't call WWII 'war-profiteering' Band of Brothers was a series dedicated to the men who risked their lives for us. Its no so much 'war profiteering' as it is about the event which stole our innocence (virginity if you want to call it) and its just a look at what happened and how it happened, questions that no casual viewer of the news would ever get.
Um I think that was my point

Very true. Then again it was done in a very respectful way. The folks that made it are not war profiteers like Michael Moore or somthing.

As has been pointed out by other posters... if we were really talking about respect, this would not have been made 'for the money'... or the proceeds would be going to help the widows and orphans of the event.

Instead - we see a Nick Cage movie.


My personal feeling is this is WAY too soon to make a movie like this... if one EVER needs to be made... especially the way this has been done.

As has been pointed out by other posters... if we were really talking about respect, this would not have been made 'for the money'... or the proceeds would be going to help the widows and orphans of the event.

Instead - we see a Nick Cage movie.


My personal feeling is this is WAY too soon to make a movie like this... if one EVER needs to be made... especially the way this has been done.


Do we know yet if there are any significant contributions being made to survivors from the proceeds of this movie?
I've been waiting to hear that.

It does seem soon to make the movie-its still pretty fresh for me and the people I know.
Did you see the movie yet?

I did and I didnt feel it went a long way to show the good in the people- the victims and the people that struggled to assist- I didnt leave there in a rage over the attack so much as a feeling of the good people in this country are capable of, how people were united.
And saddened that it sometimes takes catastrophic shock and loss for people to be that way.
I saw the few examples of ordinary people that dropped what they were doing and went to help in any way they could-and these few examples were representative of thousands-I can relate to this as I and family and co-workers participated.

I think Nicholas Cage played his part well, although I think a much lesser known may have been able to do the same-as did the actor that portrayed the other trapped Officer Jimeno.

Useless information time.

The gal who played Allisons grandmother was the gal in the Creature from the Black Lagoon.

Sorry, that's money I could put in a sock and find again on July fourth of next year.

I think the movie will unite interested viewers for the right reasons, rather than the wrong reasons.

Nah, I wont see it.

A) its patriotic drivel.
b) It stars Nick Cage.

and also..I know how it ends......har har!

Do we know yet if there are any significant contributions being made to survivors from the proceeds of this movie?
I've been waiting to hear that.

It does seem soon to make the movie-its still pretty fresh for me and the people I know.
Did you see the movie yet?

I did and I didnt feel it went a long way to show the good in the people- the victims and the people that struggled to assist- I didnt leave there in a rage over the attack so much as a feeling of the good people in this country are capable of, how people were united.
And saddened that it sometimes takes catastrophic shock and loss for people to be that way.
I saw the few examples of ordinary people that dropped what they were doing and went to help in any way they could-and these few examples were representative of thousands-I can relate to this as I and family and co-workers participated.

I think Nicholas Cage played his part well, although I think a much lesser known may have been able to do the same-as did the actor that portrayed the other trapped Officer Jimeno.


I haven't seen it.... and I'm unlikely to.

Not just because I find Cage quite so tedious and unconvincing. Mainly - because of the 'cash-in-on-tragedy' factor, but also because it is likely to be such a propoganda piece.

I haven't seen it.... and I'm unlikely to.

Not just because I find Cage quite so tedious and unconvincing. Mainly - because of the 'cash-in-on-tragedy' factor, but also because it is likely to be such a propoganda piece.

It wasn't a propaganda piece, unless you count one of the Wisconsin cops yelling "Bastards!" when he sees the whole thing unfold on the news, and people wonderign "WHO WOULD DO THIS?????" thorughout the movie... But that's not really propaganda, nothing seems to be twisted there. And it was far too good to be a "cash-in-on-tragedy" thing.

Cage though... A lesser known actor would have been better for the part.