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the best way to deal with the mideast crisis

Frutap
13-08-2006, 22:49
Peace talks get us no where and Buy terrorists time ... my opinion but nonethe less what do you think ^^
Call to power
13-08-2006, 22:54
I think you should go a bit further especially since you made the thread and all you could at least make an effort
Wilgrove
13-08-2006, 22:55
I say seal off the ME (Israel included) and let them kill each other off.
Frutap
13-08-2006, 22:56
I say seal off the ME (Israel included) and let them kill each other off.

Because you know if america had left well enough alone that is what would have happened anyways.. :) isreal would own them all ^^
Wilgrove
13-08-2006, 22:58
Because you know if america had left well enough alone that is what would have happened anyways.. :)

Actually it's the UN fault with their creation of Israel in 1948. Going back farther it's Great Britian and European countries fault for conquring the Middle East, then drawing crappy borders grouping shities and sunnies together in the same country. So, it didn't start when America was around, it started a long time before America became involved in the ME.
Greyenivol Colony
13-08-2006, 22:59
Meh, it'll turn around. Say the terrorists win and the Ummah is reinstated with a supreme Caliph and an al-Qaeda Secret Police, I'd give it two decades tops untill the people realise what a terrible idea Islamic Theocracy is and carry on with their lives without making that same mistake again.
Frutap
13-08-2006, 23:01
I think you should go a bit further especially since you made the thread and all you could at least make an effort

Okay how about this iran is on it's way to nuclear wepons a nation who's government is run by terrorists is going to get a nuke and peace tlks are doing nothin. Everything we offer them they decline and it is just giving them more time to develop the weapons. Also if america had not gone in thes whole thing with isreal would not have happened when it did.. probably sooner and then Isreal would have killed them off... Europe would have called the US useless for not doing anything about the terrorists and we wold still be screwed ((in short bomb them all ))
Frutap
13-08-2006, 23:03
Actually it's the UN fault with their creation of Israel in 1948. Going back farther it's Great Britian and European countries fault for conquring the Middle East, then drawing crappy borders grouping shities and sunnies together in the same country. So, it didn't start when America was around, it started a long time before America became involved in the ME.

fair enough but with that said... even after the UN screwed the ME up... they would still all be fighting ((Even w/o isreal there)) each other..
Wilgrove
13-08-2006, 23:09
fair enough but with that said... even after the UN screwed the ME up... they would still all be fighting ((Even w/o isreal there)) each other..

True, but that was because of the poorly drawn borders that the Europeans power created after they decided that the Sphere of Influence policy didn't work out. The borders put Sunnies and Shities in the same country, so yea they would be fighting one another even if Israel haven't been created and if America haven't interviene.
Neo Undelia
13-08-2006, 23:11
I say let them fight it out without interference. There is no practical way to end the war maintaining a neutral stance without fighting both sides and neither side is worthy of foreign support.
Frutap
13-08-2006, 23:11
True, but that was because of the poorly drawn borders that the Europeans power created after they decided that the Sphere of Influence policy didn't work out. The borders put Sunnies and Shities in the same country, so yea they would be fighting one another even if Israel haven't been created and if America haven't interviene.

No even if the borders drawn correctly there would still be war going on there.. maybe not now maybe 10 years ago maybe 10 years from now but there would be waqr because of the intolerance that is harbored by so many..

but i don't understand that because the islamic religion was built on tolerance was it not?
Wilgrove
13-08-2006, 23:12
No even if the borders drawn correctly there would still be war going on there.. maybe not now maybe 10 years ago maybe 10 years from now but there would be waqr because of the intolerance that is harbored by so many..

but i don't understand that because the islamic religion was built on tolerance was it not?

Umm, I better not comment on that last part.
Frutap
13-08-2006, 23:13
Umm, I better not comment on that last part.

Well i was just asking because i was pretty sure it was but i am not 100% ure....
Markiria
13-08-2006, 23:14
They have been killing themselves for thousands of years. They want to kill us too because "invaded" their blood thirsty land and tried to spread democracy their. And once democracy was put in power crazy terrorist got in power and now want to take the world over!
Wilgrove
13-08-2006, 23:15
Well i was just asking because i was pretty sure it was but i am not 100% ure....

Eh I'm not sure either, I've heard it both ways, so I don't know who is more accurate.
Call to power
13-08-2006, 23:17
Okay how about this iran is on it's way to nuclear wepons a nation who's government is run by terrorists is going to get a nuke and peace tlks are doing nothin. Everything we offer them they decline and it is just giving them more time to develop the weapons. Also if america had not gone in thes whole thing with isreal would not have happened when it did.. probably sooner and then Isreal would have killed them off... Europe would have called the US useless for not doing anything about the terrorists and we wold still be screwed ((in short bomb them all ))

Iran is not a terrorist state and its not even aiming for nuclear technology (which it has every right to have should it want to)

And in short bomb America that way the whole world gets a mutual enemy with Jews and Muslims fighting side by side against the Imperialist scourge!
Frutap
13-08-2006, 23:18
They have been killing themselves for thousands of years. They want to kill us too because "invaded" their blood thirsty land and tried to spread democracy their. And once democracy was put in power crazy terrorist got in power and now want to take the world over!

You are right there hamas , very likely only got in power because of the Democracy in Iraq and afganistan... ((the successful democracy)) but what right did the united states have to force their beliefs on the Iraqis or the afganis ... They do want to kill everyone and you k now there is nothing any one can say or do to change that
Frutap
13-08-2006, 23:21
Iran is not a terrorist state and its not even aiming for nuclear technology (which it has every right to have should it want to)

And in short bomb America that way the whole world gets a mutual enemy with Jews and Muslims fighting side by side against the Imperialist scourge!

((hamas isn't full of terrorists.. that is news to me))

And no Iran should not have Nuclear weapons because you know what they want to do... they want to Nuke isreal.. They think isreal should cease to exist.. they turned down every offer we made to help them with their nuclear capavilities.. but they refused ((help as in let continue.. sending weapons inspectors and UN representatives ect.)) But we can't make them happy

And the last art is not even worthy of a comment from me
Call to power
13-08-2006, 23:26
((hamas isn't full of terrorists.. that is news to me))

And no Iran should not have Nuclear weapons because you know what they want to do... they want to Nuke isreal.. They think isreal should cease to exist.. they turned down every offer we made to help them with their nuclear capavilities.. but they refused ((help as in let continue.. sending weapons inspectors and UN representatives ect.)) But we can't make them happy

1) I never mentioned Hamas but your forgetting all the other work Hamas does most notably charity

2) so how is India any different to Iran exactly other than the fact that there not one of America's "good" guys

3) Iran and the U.N don't have a good history what with Saddams chemical warfare that was pretty much ignored thanks to the United States love of there pet
The Black Hand of Nod
14-08-2006, 00:04
1) I never mentioned Hamas but your forgetting all the other work Hamas does most notably charity

2) so how is India any different to Iran exactly other than the fact that there not one of America's "good" guys

3) Iran and the U.N don't have a good history what with Saddams chemical warfare that was pretty much ignored thanks to the United States love of there pet

1) So if you claim the US is evil also, the US does lots of charity also. I guess that means the US can't be evil by your own argument.

2) India hasn't said that they think a nation should be "Wiped off the map".

3) It was about Revenge actually, the US was pissed when Iran rebelled and took those people hostage, giving Iraq those weapons was an attempt at revenge by Proxy. They didn't give a damn about Iraq either, they just hated Iran more.
Fooneytopia
14-08-2006, 00:21
2) India hasn't said that they think a nation should be "Wiped off the map".



Well, they haven't gone as far as saying that with Pakistan; but the whole world begins to worry when India and Pakistan have a disagreement.
Ifreann
14-08-2006, 00:30
I assume the Myrth option means we send Myrth in there to start deating things.