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Just on the news: Syrian tanks have moved onto the Golan Heights and Syrian soldiers have been spotted removing mines in the area.

My comments: this sort of activity usually preceeds an attack by armor.

Just on the news: Syrian tanks have moved onto the Golan Heights and Syrian soldiers have been spotted removing mines in the area.

My comments: this sort of activity usually preceeds an attack by armor.

for fucks sake.

what a misleading title

for fucks sake.

what a misleading title
Oh? And why would that be, oh Great One? Hmmm?

for fucks sake.

what a misleading titleBe fair, it does have a question mark...

Isn't the Golan Heights area technically Syrian under Israeli occupation anyway?

Personally, I'd call this a very poor time to try to launch any sort of vaguely militaristic action on Israeli forces, especially as third-party troops are set to move into the region. We can hardly condemn Syria for trying to take back its own territory, but we can condemn the use of force at this time as blatant opportunism, and I'm sure if they start with the tank movements the UN will come down on them like a tonne of bricks.

Isn't the Golan Heights area technically Syrian under Israeli occupation anyway?

Personally, I'd call this a very poor time to try to launch any sort of vaguely militaristic action on Israeli forces, especially as third-party troops are set to move into the region. We can hardly condemn Syria for trying to take back its own territory, but we can condemn the use of force at this time as blatant opportunism, and I'm sure if they start with the tank movements the UN will come down on them like a tonne of bricks.
Israel returned the Golan to Syria years ago, IIRC.

Linkity link-link?

Oh, and:
The Golan Heights (Hebrew: רמת הגולן Ramat HaGolan, Arabic: هضبة الجولان Hadhbat al-Jaulan) or Golan, formerly also known as the Syrian Heights, [1][2], is a plateau on the border of Israel, Lebanon, Jordan and Syria. Israel captured the Heights from Syria in the 1967 Six-Day War (and again in the 1973 Yom Kippur War). In 1981, Israel applied its "laws, jurisdiction and administration" in the Golan Heights with the Golan Heights Law. Syria asserts that the Heights are part of the governorate of Al Qunaytirah, and the international community considers the area Syrian territory under Israeli occupation.
Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_Heights)

Israel returned the Golan to Syria years ago, IIRC.You don't. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_Heights)

Syrian tanks? they broke down yet :p

Syria is just trying to rock the boat honestly what are they going to do hope that somehow there troops travel back to the 40’s and fight Israel when might be able to win

Isn't the Golan Heights area technically Syrian under Israeli occupation anyway?

Personally, I'd call this a very poor time to try to launch any sort of vaguely militaristic action on Israeli forces, especially as third-party troops are set to move into the region. We can hardly condemn Syria for trying to take back its own territory, but we can condemn the use of force at this time as blatant opportunism, and I'm sure if they start with the tank movements the UN will come down on them like a tonne of bricks.

*rolls over floor laughing*

Israel returned the Golan to Syria years ago, IIRC.

Lebanon does border part of the Golan Heights, so the Syrians might be trying to create a new military presence in the region and open up or restore connections between the two countries. It's most likely nothing more than strategic rearrangement of their forces in the wake of the Israeli attacks in Lebanon.

After all, the cease-fire is supposed to take effect at midnight so Syria would have to be mind-bogglingly stupid to attack now.

You don't. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golan_Heights)
The heights are part of Israel, I was there this past Christmas and I sure as hell wasnt in Syria. We did come up to the border with Syria though.

Linkity link-link?
No got. It was on the news ... just like I said.

The heights are part of Israel, I was there this past Christmas and I sure as hell wasnt in Syria. We did come up to the border with Syria though.

you didnt read the thread did you!!

its occupied land

Israel returned the Golan to Syria years ago, IIRC.
The heights are part of Israel, I was there this past Christmas and I sure as hell wasnt in Syria. We did come up to the border with Syria though.

*rolls over floor laughing*
Well, look. They've already decided to send military forces into the region and they're fed up with Imperialistic aggression. It's not a huge jump to suggest that they might beef up the outgoing military and extend the barrier to Syria too, should needs request it.

Besides, if the US hears Syria is getting involved, I bet you the UN will suddenly find a lot more resources available at its disposal.

you didnt read the thread did you!!

its occupied land
I never said it wasnt.:confused:

The heights are part of Israel, I was there this past Christmas and I sure as hell wasnt in Syria. We did come up to the border with Syria though.What the HECK!!! How did you manage to read that out of my post?!?!?!?

What the HECK!!! How did you manage to read that out of my post?!?!?!?
...I was agreeing with you....I was saying that Syria did NOT have control of the Golan, and that Israel did in fact, have the Golan Heights under there control..as I was there.:confused:

You guys are confusing. Perhaps if you just agreed to disagree or something? :p

No got. It was on the news ... just like I said.
Ah... TV-thing? I'll be on the lookout later then :)

...I was agreeing with you....I was saying that Syria did NOT have control of the Golan, and that Israel did in fact, have the Golan Heights under there control..as I was there.:confused:My apologies... I'm reading Ctrl+Alt+Del at the moment, so that might explain my tendency for emotional outbursts...

Yeah, I don't see Israel giving it back anytime soon either, considering its one of their big sources of water, and since you've been in Israel, you've probably seen all those watering devices...

My apologies... I'm reading Ctrl+Alt+Del at the moment, so that might explain my tendency for emotional outbursts...

Yeah, I don't see Israel giving it back anytime soon either, considering its one of their big sources of water, and since you've been in Israel, you've probably seen all those watering devices...
What!? Its just a plateau with some big "almost mountains"! What are you talking about big sources of water? Theres a lake in the south of the Heights but I dont think its a big source of water, hell I dont even know about their being any "watering devices" there at all, unless I totally missed them.:confused:

Mostly its just plateau and Kibbutizm, which, if I may add, are totally lame and a complete anachronism.:)

What!? Its just a plateau with some big "almost mountains"! What are you talking about big sources of water? Theres a lake in the south of the Heights but I dont think its a big source of water, hell I dont even know about their being any "watering devices" there at all, unless I totally missed them.:confused:

Mostly its just plateau and Kibbutizm, which, if I may add, are totally lame and a complete anachronism.:)One of my professors that deals in sustainable development and has a lot of experience with water management in the region mentioned it in one of our lectures. It's probably groundwater or deeper lying sources. Most of the water in that region is fossil and things can get ugly when those run out...

One of my professors that deals in sustainable development and has a lot of experience with water management in the region mentioned it in one of our lectures. It's probably groundwater or deeper lying sources. Most of the water in that region is fossil and things can get ugly when those run out...
Well, who am I to argue with one of your professors?!:p

I guess there could be water underground.
*shrugs shoulders*

Attacking Israel is a foolish thing for Syria to do.

Syrian tanks? they broke down yet :p

Syria is just trying to rock the boat honestly what are they going to do hope that somehow there troops travel back to the 40’s and fight Israel when might be able to win
The Syrians did fight Israel in the 40s, and lost.

Well, who am I to argue with one of your professors?!:p

I guess there could be water underground.
*shrugs shoulders*
It's a very good argument to explain why Israel has turned Gaza over to Palestinian control but hasn't given the Golan Heights back to Syria.

Again, from Wiki:
The governmental Jewish Agency for Israel states that "Although reported as a annexation, it is not: the Golan Heights are not declared to be Israeli territory." On the other hand, the Benjamin Netanyahu government's Basic Policy Guidelines stated "The government views the Golan Heights as essential to the security of the state and its water resources. Retaining Israel's sovereignty over the Golan will be the basis for an arrangement with Syria."
and
Syria and Israel still contest the ownership of the Heights but have not used overt military force since 1974. The great strategic value of the Heights both militarily and as a source of water means that a deal is uncertain.

After all, the cease-fire is supposed to take effect at midnight so Syria would have to be mind-bogglingly stupid to attack now.


Is'nt being mind bogglingly stupid what humanity is good at?

since it have been raised, I want to clearify some things.
there were negotiation with syria about return the golan highets for peace, but it fail on few kilometers and there wasn't second trying since the second intifada start.
lake of Kinneret is the israeli biggest source for water, and it take is water from 2 or 3 great rivers that start in syria. one of the israeli demands in the negotiation was that the syrian won't prevent the rivers from going to israel.
there aren't current negotiation with syria, since assad seen as untrusted person and USA prefer we won't make actions for syria (since they on their axis of evil or something). anyway, the israeli leadership prefer not to deal with that issue for now, as assad wasn't agree to compromise.
in the golan highets there are also mount. Hermon which his peak is in syria and it is the only ski site in israel (although only in winter).
other part of the water sources in israel lies underground in the center (which had danger of salting from the sea) and the westbank mountains (which mostly polutted by the palastinian canalization system).
this water also suplied to the PLO and jordan (since the peace agreement).

Nothing on the news so far... I seriously doubt Syria is planning to invade at this stage, so I'll believe it when I see it.

It's a very good argument to explain why Israel has turned Gaza over to Palestinian control but hasn't given the Golan Heights back to Syria.
It is, and you know what?

I find that rather shallow and pedantic.

It is, and you know what?

I find that rather shallow and pedantic.
Looked in the mirror lately? :D

Looked in the mirror lately? :D
YesssssbutimnotsurewhatthathastodowithIsrael'soccupationoftheGolan.





*exhales*

Okay, I saw this thread and my first response was to laugh. It wasn't intentional, it just came out of me. I laughed because the idea of the Syrian Army thinking that they would be able to do anything without getting their asses served to them on a platter is just absurd. Sometimes you have to wonder is as-Sad is a bit of a masochist...

What!? Its just a plateau with some big "almost mountains"! What are you talking about big sources of water? Theres a lake in the south of the Heights but I dont think its a big source of water, hell I dont even know about their being any "watering devices" there at all, unless I totally missed them.:confused:

Mostly its just plateau and Kibbutizm, which, if I may add, are totally lame and a complete anachronism.:)

Yeah... you must have been walking around blindfolded and with your fingers in your ears to miss all the waterworks. Compared to the South the temperate climate and high altitude of the Heights make them perfect for harvesting water. They've a huge new aquaduct there and everything.

Yeah... you must have been walking around blindfolded and with your fingers in your ears to miss all the waterworks. Compared to the South the temperate climate and high altitude of the Heights make them perfect for harvesting water. They've a huge new aquaduct there and everything.
I'm not denying it.

I must just be retarded and was in the only area of the Golan where there WASNT water works.

Zomg!!!111!1! Teh Anti_semitians R Going To Pwn Up Isreal!!!1!!! We Gots Ta Bomb Ta Brownies!!!111!

It's just a gesture of solidarity to make the Syrians look good. Kinda like the aftermath of Gulf War 1, when the US told the Shias that they would support their struggle for justice and so on, the Shias rose up, and the US watched them get slaughtered from across the Kuwaiti border.

It's that sort of thing. Cheap, easy, risk-free publicity, makes you look strong and sympathetic on TV.

It's just a gesture of solidarity to make the Syrians look good. Kinda like the aftermath of Gulf War 1, when the US told the Shias that they would support their struggle for justice and so on, the Shias rose up, and the US watched them get slaughtered from across the Kuwaiti border.

It's that sort of thing. Cheap, easy, risk-free publicity, makes you look strong and sympathetic on TV.
Yep.

It's just a gesture of solidarity to make the Syrians look good. Kinda like the aftermath of Gulf War 1, when the US told the Shias that they would support their struggle for justice and so on, the Shias rose up, and the US watched them get slaughtered from across the Kuwaiti border.

It's that sort of thing. Cheap, easy, risk-free publicity, makes you look strong and sympathetic on TV.

Well put. They've made several threats against Isreal during this conflict but I would be shocked is they acted upon them. Of course, I'd be even more shocked if the UN decided to do anything about it.

Green Israel was right when he said that Israel was negotiating with syria to give back the Golan. There were actually wide protests throughout Israel towards the turn of the century right before the intifada started that were aimed at maintaning the Golan as part of Israel. The slogan in hebrew was "Ha Am Im Ha Golan" which translates into "The nation with the Golan."(I was actually in Israel during the negotiations and the banners were everywhere..I also pocketed a few bunmper stickers myself)


Israel will never give the Golan back because they arent willing to give up the high ground and the defensible borders that Israel currently enjoys to the north. It would be suicide to let the Syrians back in because they would just go back to sniping Israelis from the hills or planning their next invasion. Israel must and will maintain defensible borders.

Isn't the Golan Heights area technically Syrian under Israeli occupation anyway?

Personally, I'd call this a very poor time to try to launch any sort of vaguely militaristic action on Israeli forces, especially as third-party troops are set to move into the region. We can hardly condemn Syria for trying to take back its own territory, but we can condemn the use of force at this time as blatant opportunism, and I'm sure if they start with the tank movements the UN will come down on them like a tonne of bricks.

If by 'ton of bricks' you mean shuffle papers angrily, then yes. The UN will go positively apeshit. :)

Isn't the Golan Heights area technically Syrian under Israeli occupation anyway?

Personally, I'd call this a very poor time to try to launch any sort of vaguely militaristic action on Israeli forces, especially as third-party troops are set to move into the region. We can hardly condemn Syria for trying to take back its own territory, but we can condemn the use of force at this time as blatant opportunism, and I'm sure if they start with the tank movements the UN will come down on them like a tonne of bricks.
Ah yes, the UN. Very effective bleeders, they are :rolleyes:

Israel will never give the Golan back because they arent willing to give up the high ground and the defensible borders that Israel currently enjoys to the north. It would be suicide to let the Syrians back in because they would just go back to sniping Israelis from the hills or planning their next invasion. Israel must and will maintain defensible borders.

Is that from the GW School of Fearmongering 101?

Syria has pursued the return of the Golan by no other means except the political process for over 30 years now, and has repeatedly stated that it is the ONLY stumbling block to fullll normalization of relations with Israel.

Suicide?

Holster the drama and re-enter the real world please!

Is that from the GW School of Fearmongering 101?

Syria has pursued the return of the Golan by no other means except the political process for over 30 years now, and has repeatedly stated that it is the ONLY stumbling block to fullll normalization of relations with Israel.

Suicide?

Holster the drama and re-enter the real world please!

Because when the Syrians did have control of the Golan they didn't rain sniper fire down onto northern Israel??? What planet are you living on? Syria has been a major player in every war waged against Israel. The only reason they've been using political means is because the IDF is too powerful for them and they've been beaten down by the Israelis time and time again. It would really be a great idea for Israel to give control of the high ground and the major source of the countries water to a hostile neighbor that has and continues to seek Israels destruction.

I haven't been doing any fear mongering. The threat to Israel is very real. To say otherwise is delusional thinking.

It's a similar reasoning behind holding the West Bank. If Israel ever gives up the WB to form another hostile Arab state next to Israel, there won't be a single city in Israel that's not in range of rockets. But I guess that's for a whole other thread.

Because when the Syrians did have control of the Golan they didn't rain sniper fire down onto northern Israel??? What planet are you living on? Syria has been a major player in every war waged against Israel. The only reason they've been using political means is because the IDF is too powerful for them and they've been beaten down by the Israelis time and time again. It would really be a great idea for Israel to give control of the high ground and the major source of the countries water to a hostile neighbor that has and continues to seek Israels destruction.

I haven't been doing any fear mongering. The threat to Israel is very real. To say otherwise is delusional thinking.



Make up your mind. The IDF is too strong, but it would be suicide to give back the lands? Is there any way you DON'T want to be able to take this?

Naaaahhhhh, stick to that whole: they did some stuff in '73 and nothing can possibly have changed since then attitude - despite 30 years of complete military inaction by them.

Yah - that sounds like astute thinking!

But you DO make the correct point. It is all about the water.

Well, I am looking at budget numbers here....

Israel's gdp: $154 Billion
Israel's military budget: $9 Billion

Syria's gdp: $72 Billion
Syria's military budget: $0.8 Billion

seems the only question is political will. We know who would win in an all out fight.

Just on the news: Syrian tanks have moved onto the Golan Heights and Syrian soldiers have been spotted removing mines in the area.

My comments: this sort of activity usually preceeds an attack by armor.

Hmmm... It's been 10 hours since you first put this up, and nothings showing up in any of the mainstream or specialist media sources I can find. If this were a real event, it should be online by now. Unless you or someone else can come up with a source, I'm chalking this up as busted.

Make up your mind. The IDF is too strong, but it would be suicide to give back the lands? Is there any way you DON'T want to be able to take this?

Naaaahhhhh, stick to that whole: they did some stuff in '73 and nothing can possibly have changed since then attitude - despite 30 years of complete military inaction by them.

Yah - that sounds like astute thinking!

But you DO make the correct point. It is all about the water.


Israel was lucky to win it's wars and everyone knows that. They were outnumbered each and everytime. Israel holds the high ground now preventing any other such attacks on the citizens of Northern Israel or any such attack on Israel from Syria because of the Golan. It's a strategical neccesity. This isn't just wa wa wa 73, its the entire history of the conflict; every war fought against Israel Syria played a major role. Syria is supplying arms and weapons to Hizballah as we speak! So the whole "nothing has changed since then" attitude is in fact the right attitude to take in this conflict. In fact, the only thing that has changed is Syrias tactics of trying to remove Israel from the Middle East.

But alas I shall rephrase: it would be suicidal for the residents of northern Israel to have Syria in control of the Golan, and that is simply unacceptable.

Hmmm... It's been 10 hours since you first put this up, and nothings showing up in any of the mainstream or specialist media sources I can find. If this were a real event, it should be online by now. Unless you or someone else can come up with a source, I'm chalking this up as busted.

Ah but who is to say it does not happen 2 weeks from now? The anti-semite terrorists of Hezbollah are not the only enemy that is manipulating the media against Israel. Any nation near Israel could choose to attack at any time, as Israel is irrationally hated so much.....Iran, syria, Iraq, Egypt, the list goes on. We ignore the danger of Muslim extremism at our own peril.

Israel was lucky to win it's wars and everyone knows that. They were outnumbered each and everytime. Israel holds the high ground now preventing any other such attacks on the citizens of Northern Israel or any such attack on Israel from Syria because of the Golan. It's a strategical neccesity. This isn't just wa wa wa 73, its the entire history of the conflict; every war fought against Israel Syria played a major role. Syria is supplying arms and weapons to Hizballah as we speak! So the whole "nothing has changed since then" attitude is in fact the right attitude to take in this conflict. In fact, the only thing that has changed is Syrias tactics of trying to remove Israel from the Middle East.

But alas I shall rephrase: it would be suicidal for the residents of northern Israel to have Syria in control of the Golan, and that is simply unacceptable.


Again, you are just fearmongering. How many years of following the political process do you need for Syria to prove it's lack of direct military intent?

'73? Nothing can change in that time?

Sh*t! Care to look at the difference in US/Vietnamese relations over that period for context?

Syria has no designs on attacking Israel. Your perpetuating that myth is nothing but a self-serving excuse to continue to hold what was stolen from them.

Ah but who is to say it does not happen 2 weeks from now?

If a news report that Syria is doing what Eut claims gets posted in 2 weeks, then it Eut's post that this is in the news now will have been busted.



The anti-semite terrorists of Hezbollah are not the only enemy that is manipulating the media against Israel. Any nation near Israel could choose to attack at any time, as Israel is irrationally hated so much.....Iran, syria, Iraq, Egypt, the list goes on. We ignore the danger of Muslim extremism at our own peril.

You're such a cute little troll.

Ah but who is to say it does not happen 2 weeks from now?

If a news report that Syria is doing what Eut claims gets posted in 2 weeks, then it Eut's post that this is in the news now will have been busted.



The anti-semite terrorists of Hezbollah are not the only enemy that is manipulating the media against Israel. Any nation near Israel could choose to attack at any time, as Israel is irrationally hated so much.....Iran, syria, Iraq, Egypt, the list goes on. We ignore the danger of Muslim extremism at our own peril.

You're such a cute little troll.

Ah but who is to say it does not happen 2 weeks from now?

If a news report that Syria is doing what Eut claims gets posted in 2 weeks, then it Eut's post that this is in the news now will have been busted.



The anti-semite terrorists of Hezbollah are not the only enemy that is manipulating the media against Israel. Any nation near Israel could choose to attack at any time, as Israel is irrationally hated so much.....Iran, syria, Iraq, Egypt, the list goes on. We ignore the danger of Muslim extremism at our own peril.

You're such a cute little troll.

Ah but who is to say it does not happen 2 weeks from now?

If a news report that Syria is doing what Eut claims gets posted in 2 weeks, then it Eut's post that this is in the news now will have been busted.



The anti-semite terrorists of Hezbollah are not the only enemy that is manipulating the media against Israel. Any nation near Israel could choose to attack at any time, as Israel is irrationally hated so much.....Iran, syria, Iraq, Egypt, the list goes on. We ignore the danger of Muslim extremism at our own peril.

You're such a cute little troll.

Oh joy! Another quad courtesy of Jolt. :rolleyes:

Syria has no designs on attacking Israel. Your perpetuating that myth is nothing but a self-serving excuse to continue to hold what was stolen from them.

Fascinating how folks like Hezbollah are put on an equal moral level as legitimate nations....note to fellow people on this thread.....the UN created Israel....why doesnt Hezbollah attack the UN instead of Israel? Because they hate jews, so remember what they are really fighting for...to kill jews.

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You're such a cute little troll.[/QUOTE]

saying that Muslim extremists want to destroy Israel, manipulate the media, hide behind and kill civilians, and are not a legitimate negotiating power...is trolling now? They either have some kind of grip on you that I cannot fathom or you are not reading me correctly.

saying that Muslim extremists want to destroy Israel, manipulate the media, hide behind and kill civilians, and are not a legitimate negotiating power...is trolling now?

Nope. Posting an exaggeratredly extreme opinion in order to inflame or provoke, ike you usually do, is.

troll v.,n. To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies"; which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling";, a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite.
http://www.urban75.com/Mag/troll.html

"The anti-semite terrorists of Hezbollah are not the only enemy that is manipulating the media against Israel. Any nation near Israel could choose to attack at any time, as Israel is irrationally hated so much.....Iran, syria, Iraq, Egypt, the list goes on. We ignore the danger of Muslim extremism at our own peril."

thats what I wrote...now lets see how that is trolling......
do you deny that those in Hezbollah are anti-semites?
Do you deny that Hezbollah has manipulated the media?
Do you deny that any nation near Israel could attack at any timr?
Do you deny my opinon that Israel is hated irrationally in many cases?
Do you deny that Iran is on a bad footing with Israel? Or syria? or Iraq? or Egypt?
Do you deny the scary record of extremist Islam

I did not exaggerate. I posted somthing which was favorable to Israel. Apparently, on this forum, that is considered trolling. How sad.

May I suggest any of you pick up a history book? Or is that also asking too much? This stuff is rather cut and dry! The Golan is without doubt land owned by Syria!!!

The UN has drafted and PASSED resolutions for Israel to return the Golan back to Syria. However Israel has done no such thing.

Seriously guys, please take your emotions off your sleeves and check out the facts, not the myths.

If Israel really wanted peace they would return all occupied lands. It would be at least a good start!

Just on the news: Syrian tanks have moved onto the Golan Heights and Syrian soldiers have been spotted removing mines in the area.

My comments: this sort of activity usually preceeds an attack by armor.

They are just waiting until Israel violates their borders so they can return the assault and bring Iran into the war.

May I suggest any of you pick up a history book? Or is that also asking too much? This stuff is rather cut and dry! The Golan is without doubt land owned by Syria!!!

The UN has drafted and PASSED resolutions for Israel to return the Golan back to Syria. However Israel has done no such thing.

Seriously guys, please take your emotions off your sleeves and check out the facts, not the myths.

If Israel really wanted peace they would return all occupied lands. It would be at least a good start!

whoa, back up, you are talking about land that Israel took in a war that they did not start. Give me a break.

I have to leave. God bless.

whoa, back up, you are talking about land that Israel took in a war that they did not start. Give me a break.


Hey, I read the site often enough, but tend not to post very much anymore... most arguments on NS are a little lacking in knowledge with of course some exceptions.. (you know who you are)

But this one I had to comment on...

Give you a break? I think not...

Here, read this and think about it for a while...Israel at the moment holds the record for the MOST UN resolutions passed against them, not including the ones that the USA vetoes now on a regular basis.

Hezbollah won this war... like it or not... it's the truth. If the USA can send 2 billion dollars a year to Israel in arms & aid...(given they are no where even close to a third world country) Then what the hell is wrong with Iran and or Syria giving aid to the ONLY army (Hezbollah) who has ever won battles against Israel. Perhaps when Israel stops holding the Palestinians hostage on their own land... I will have a good word for Israel. In the meantime, it is what it is.

And lets not forget... for everyone who thinks "Anti-Semite" only applies to Israel... NEWS FLASH! Arab's are Semites too! Just keep that in mind.

With all due respect, 99% of you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Sorry, but that is just the way it is.


UN Security Council Resolutions on Israel since 1948



Res 101 (Nov 24, 53): Expressed 'strongest censure' of Israel for the first time because of its raid on Qibya.



Res 106 (Mar 29, 55): Condemned Israel for Gaza raid.



Res 111 (Jan 19, 56): Condemned Israel for raid on Syria that killed 56 people.



Res 127 (Jan 22, 58): Recommended Israel to suspend its no-man's zone in Jerusalem.



Res 162 (Apr 11, 61): Urged Israel to comply with UN decisions.



Res 171 (Apr 9, 62): Determined 'flagrant violation' by Israel in its attack on Syria.



Res 228 (Nov 25, 66): Censured Israel for its attack on Samu in Jordan.



Res 237 (June 14, 67): Urged Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian refugees.


Resolution 242 (November 22, 1967): Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area. Calls on Israel's neighbors to end the state of belligerency and calls upon Israel to reciprocate by withdraw its forces from land claimed by other parties in 1967 war. Interpreted commonly today as calling for the Land for peace principle as a way to resolve Arab-Israeli conflict





Res 248 (Mar 24, 68): Condemned Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in Jordan.



Res 250 (Apr 27, 68): Called on Israel to refrain from holding military parade in Jerusalem.



Res 251 (May 2, 68): Deeply deplored Israel's military parade in Jerusalem and declared invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as its capital.



Res 256 (Aug 16, 68): Condemned Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant violation'.



Res 259 (Sep 27, 68): Deplored Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe occupation.



Res 262 (Dec 31, 68): Condemned Israel's attack on Beirut airport destroying the entire fleet of Middle East Airlines.



Res 265 (Apr 1, 69): Condemned Israel for air attacks on Salt in Jordan.



Res 267 (July 3, 69): Censured Israel for administrative acts to change status of Jerusalem.



Res 270 (Aug. 26, 69): Condemned Israel for air attack on villages in southern Lebanon.



Res 271 (Sep 15, 69): Condemned Israel's failure to comply with UN resolutions on Jerusalem.



Res 279 (May 12, 70): Demanded withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.



Res 280 (May 19, 70): Condemned Israeli attacks against Lebanon.



Res 285 (Sep 5, 70): Demanded immediate Israeli troop withdrawal from Lebanon.



Res 298 (Sep 25, 71): Deplored Israel's change of status of Jerusalem.



Res 313 (Aug 8, 72): Demanded Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.



Res 316 (June 26, 72): Condemned Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.



Res 317 (July 21, 72): Deplored Israel's refusal to release Arabs abducted from Lebanon.



Res 332 (Apr 21, 73): Condemned Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.



Res 337 (Aug 15, 73): Condemned Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.



Res 347 (Apr 24, 74): Condemned Israeli attacks on Lebanon.



Res 425 (Mar 19, 78): Called on Israel to withdraw its forces unconditionally from Lebanon.



Res 427 (May 3, 78): Called on Israel to complete its withdrawal from Lebanon.



Res 444 (Jan 19, 79): Deplored Israel's lack of cooperation with UN peace forces.



Res 446 (Mar 22, 79): Determined Israeli settlements as a 'serious obstruction' to peace, and called on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions.



Res 450 (June 14, 79): Called on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.



Res 452 (July 20, 79): Called on Israel to cease building settlements in occupied territories.



Res 465 (Mar 1, 80): Deplored Israel's settlements and asked all member States not to assist Israel's settlement programme.



Res 467 (Apr 24, 80): Condemned Israel's military intervention in Lebanon.



Res 468 (May 8, 80): Called on Israel to rescind illegal expulsion of two Palestinian Mayors and a Judge, and to facilitate their return.



Res 469 (May 20, 80): Strongly deplored Israel's failure to observe the Council's order not to deport Palestinians.



Res 471 (June 5, 80): Expressed deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.



Res 476 (June 30, 80): Reiterated that Israel's claims to Jerusalem are 'null and void'.



Res 478 (Aug 20, 80): 'Censured in the strongest terms' Israel for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'basic law'.



Res 484 (Dec 19, 80): Declared it imperative Israel re-admit two Palestinian mayors.



Res 487 (June 19, 81): Strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's nuclear facility.



Res 497 (Dec 17, 81): Decided Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan Heights is 'null and void' and demanded that Israel rescind its decision forthwith.



Res 498 (Dec 18, 81): Called on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.



Res 501 (Feb 25, 82): Called on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and withdraw its troops.



Res 508 (June 6, 82): Demanded Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and un-conditionally from Lebanon.



Res 515 (July 29, 82): Demanded Israel lift its seige of Beirut and allow in food.



Res 517 (Aug 4, 82): Censured Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and demanded Isreal withdraw its forces from Lebanon.



Res 518 (Aug 12, 82): Demanded Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in Lebanon.



Res 520 (Sep 17, 82): Condemned Israel's attack into West Beirut.



Res 573 (Oct 4, 85): Condemned Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in attack on PLO Headquarters.



Res 587 (Sep 23, 86): Took note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon and urged all parties to withdraw.



Res 592 (Dec 8, 86): Strongly deplored the killing of Palestinian students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.



Res 605 (Dec 22, 87): Strongly deplored Israel's policies and practices denying human rights of Palestinians.



Res 607 (Jan 5, 88): Called on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly requested it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.



Res 608 (Jan 14, 88): Deeply regreted that Israel had defied the UN and deported Palestinian civilians.



Res 636 (July 6, 89): Deeply regreted the Israeli deportation of Palestinians.



Res 641 (Aug 30, 89): Deplored Israel's continuous deportation of Palestinians.



Res 672 (Oct 12, 90): Condemned Israel for violence against Palestinians at Jerusalem's Haram Al-Sharif.



Res 673 (Oct 24, 90): Deplored Israel's refusal to cooperate with the UN.



Res 681 (Dec 20, 90): Deplored Israel's resumption of deportation of Palestinians.



Res 694 (May 24, 91): Deplored Israel's deportation of Palestinians and called on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.



Res 726 (Jan 1, 92): 'Strongly condemned' Israel's decision to resume deportation of Palestinians from 'Palestinian territories... including Jerusalem.'



Res 799 (Dec 19, 92): Deplored Israel's mass deportation of some 400 Palestinians and called for thir immediate return.





Vetoes cast by the United States to defend Israeli crimes:


Sep 10, 72: Condemned Israel's attacks on Southern Lebanon and Syria. Vote: 13 to 1 in favor with 1 abstention.



July 26, 73: Affirmed the rights of Palestinian people to self-determination, statehood and equal protections. Vote: 13 to 1 in favor with China absent.



Dec 8, 75: Condemned Israel's air strikes and attacks in southern Lebanon and its murder of innocent civilians. Vote: 13 to 1, with 1 abstention.



Jan 26, 76: Called for self-determination of Palestinian people. Vote: 9 to 1 with 3 abstentions.



Mar 25, 76: Deplored Israel's altering of the status of Jerusalem, which is recognised as an International city by most world nations and the United Nations. Vote 14 to 1.



June 29, 76: Affirmed the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people. Vote: 10 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.



Apr 30, 80: Endorsed self-determination for the Palestinian people. Vote: 10 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.



Jan 20, 82: Demanded Israel's withdrawal from the Golan Heights. Vote: 9 to 1 in favour with 4 abstentions.



Apr 2, 82: Condemned Israel's mistreatment of Palestinians in the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip and its refusal to abide by the Geneva Convention protocols of civilized nations. Vote: 14 to 1.



Apr 20, 82: Condemned an Israeli soldier who shot 11 Muslim worshippers in the Haram Al-Sharif near Al Aqsa Mosque in the Old City of Jerusalem. Vote: 14 to 1.



June 8, 82: Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not withdraw from its invasion of Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.



June 26, 82: Urged sanctions against Israel if it did not end its invasion of Beirut, Lebanon and withdraw. Vote: 14 to 1.



Aug 8, 82: Urged cut-off of economic aid to Israel if it refuses to withdraw from its occupation of Lebanon. Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions.



Aug 2, 83: Condemned continued Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Ghazzah Strip, denouncing them as an obstacle to peace. Vote 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.



Sep 6, 84: Deplored Israel's brutal massacre of Arabs in Lebanon and urged its withdrawal. Vote 14 to 1.



Mar 12, 85: Condemned Israeli brutality in southern Lebanon and denounced the Israeli 'Iron Fist' policy of repression. Vote: 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions. Sep 13, 85: Denounced Israel's violation of human rights in the occupied territories. Vote: 10 to 1 with 4 abstentions.



Jan 17, 86: Strongly deplored Israel's violence in southern Lebanon. Vote 11 to 1 with 3 abstentions.



Jan 30, 86: Deplored Israel's activities in occupied Arab East Jerusalem which threatened the sanctity of Muslim holy sites. Vote 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.



Feb 6, 86: Condemned Israel's hijacking of a Libyan passenger plane on 4 February. Vote: 10 to 1 with 1 abstention.



Jan 18, 88: Strongly deplored Israeli attacks against Lebanon and its measures and practices against the civilian population of Lebanon. Vote: 13 to 1 with 1 abstention.



Feb 1, 88: Called for Israel to abandon its policies against the Palestinian uprising that violate the rights of the Palestinians, to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention and formalise a leading role for the UN in future peace negotiations. Vote: 14 to 1.



Apr 15, 88: Urged Israel to reaccept deported Palestinians, condemned Israel's shooting of civilians, called on Israel to uphold the Fourth Geneva Convention and called for a peace settlement under UN auspices. Vote: 14 to 1.



May 10, 88: Condemned Israel's May 2 incursion into Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.



Dec 14, 88: Strongly deplored Israel's commando raids on Lebanon. Vote: 14 to 1.



Feb 17, 89: Strongly deplored Israel's repression of the Palestinian uprising and called on Israel to respect the human rights of the Palestinians. Vote 14 to 1.



June 9, 89: Strongly deplored Israel's violation of the human rights of the Palestinians. Vote: 14 to 1.



Aug 11, 89: Demanded Israel return property confiscated from Palestinians during a tax protest and allow a fact-finding mission to observe Israel's crackdown on the Palestinian uprising. Vote: 14 to 1.



Mar 5, 90: Called for a fact-finding mission on abuses against Palestinians in Israeli occupied lands. Vote: 14 to 1.



(Sources: Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, Washington, DC)

Hey, I read the site often enough, but tend not to post very much anymore... most arguments on NS are a little lacking in knowledge with of course some exceptions.. (you know who you are)

But this one I had to comment on...

Give you a break? I think not...

Here, read this and think about it for a while...Israel at the moment holds the record for the MOST UN resolutions passed against them, not including the ones that the USA vetoes now on a regular basis.

Hezbollah won this war... like it or not... it's the truth. If the USA can send 2 billion dollars a year to Israel in arms & aid...(given they are no where even close to a third world country) Then what the hell is wrong with Iran and or Syria giving aid to the ONLY army (Hezbollah) who has ever won battles against Israel. Perhaps when Israel stops holding the Palestinians hostage on their own land... I will have a good word for Israel. In the meantime, it is what it is.

And lets not forget... for everyone who thinks "Anti-Semite" only applies to Israel... NEWS FLASH! Arab's are Semites too! Just keep that in mind.

With all due respect, 99% of you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Sorry, but that is just the way it is.
Always great to read your insightful views!! :)

BTW, I was in the process of digging up those same UN Resolutions when viola there they were in your post. Uncanny to say the least!!

They are just waiting until Israel violates their borders so they can return the assault and bring Iran into the war.

Stop right there...

Perhaps this is the moment to tell you that there is no monolithic evil in the Middle East, nor will there be in this diverse region.

True many is connected in one way or another, but for Syria to bring its puppet Iran in the war...:rolleyes:

Syrian tanks? they broke down yet :p

Syria is just trying to rock the boat honestly what are they going to do hope that somehow there troops travel back to the 40’s and fight Israel when might be able to win


See the 'Is time travel possilbe' thread. I think it was started by the Syrian government.

If Israel were to return the Golan Heights Syrian troops would occupy them and once again use the high ground as a vantage point for sniping at Israeli citizens. If International Law says that Israel needs to give back that strip of land so a batfuck insane regime can murder its innocent civilians - well, that is just another example of International Law being unfounded in any moral basis and irrelevant to the real world.

As for the threat facing Israel today, the fact is that disregarding the 'Axis of Evil' nations Israel is pretty safe. The Regimes of Egypt, Jordan, even Iraq before it got invaded, had realised that Israel was there to stay, and indeed many of them had quite friendly relations with Israel... just in secret. The fact is that even though the Arab leaders (dispicable tyrants with no regard for the popular will, I should add) have learned to live with Israel, the occassional anti-Zionist rants they come out with are simply empty words used to placate their ignorant populaces.

Just on the news: Syrian tanks have moved onto the Golan Heights and Syrian soldiers have been spotted removing mines in the area.

My comments: this sort of activity usually preceeds an attack by armor.

Syria can not be that stupid! Or can they?

If Israel really wanted peace they would return all occupied lands. It would be at least a good start!

If you listen to the Palestinians, that means all of Israel.

Syria can not be that stupid! Or can they?


That's why it is an unlikely story indeed. The government of Syria is many things, but not irrational..

If you listen to the Palestinians, that means all of Israel.
Well, if you listen to most of the Palestinians that means the West Bank and Gaza. They're perfectly happy with a viable two-state solution.


Then again you go talk to the extremist minority....

Q17. Some believe that a two-state formula is the favored solution for the Israeli-
Palestinian conflict, while others believe that historic Palestine cannot be
divided and thus the favored solution is a bi-national state on all of Palestine
where Palestinians and Israelis enjoy equal representation and rights. Which of
these solutions do you prefer?-

Two-state solution: an Israeli and
a Palestinian
57.9%

Source (http://www.jmcc.org/publicpoll/results/2006/no57.pdf)

Well, if you listen to most of the Palestinians that means the West Bank and Gaza. They're perfectly happy with a viable two-state solution.

And yet Israel did pull out of Gaza and what did they get for their troubles?

Then again you go talk to the extremist minority....





Source (http://www.jmcc.org/publicpoll/results/2006/no57.pdf)

Thank God for sane minds.

And yet Israel did pull out of Gaza and what did they get for their troubles?


Yeah they did. Sadly, they didn't pull out of the West Bank thereby nullifying the casus belli of most groups.

Thank God for sane minds.
Which is the majority of the population. Sadly flag burning and chanting 'Death to Israel' makes better t.v than the moderate majority agreeing to a two state solution.

Again, you are just fearmongering. How many years of following the political process do you need for Syria to prove it's lack of direct military intent?

'73? Nothing can change in that time?

Sh*t! Care to look at the difference in US/Vietnamese relations over that period for context?

Syria has no designs on attacking Israel. Your perpetuating that myth is nothing but a self-serving excuse to continue to hold what was stolen from them.

I am in no way fearmongering. As I said in my prior post, Syria may be following the political process through negotiations etc, but they are still hostile towards Israel as they facilitate weapons transfers from Iran to Hizballah and provide shelter and safe haven to Khaled Mashaal and other terrorists in Damascus.

If you go back and read what I wrote, I said that the only thing that has changed is Syrias tactics. Instead of being a military power they have become terrorist financers.

Moreover, Israel has even been willing to negotiate the giving back of parts if not all ofthe Golan in return for a secure peace instead of an "non-belligerence" contract that the first Assadwas hoping for. Israel also wanted to maintain an early alert system that is on top of the heights that helps secure Israel from an attack. Syria has just refused to sign a true peace treaty with Israel in these negotiations.

To go on, Syria may not be thinking of actually invading past the Jordan river, but I believe the thought of them trying to gain ground in the Golan is a very real threat. Why else would they be de-mining the border and putting tanks there?

The land wasn't "stolen," it was taken in a war that they did not start after 19 years of sniper fire raining down on the northern cities of Israel.

As for your analogy to US-Vietnam relations..you might as well throw that out the window because as far as I know, Vietnam hasn't been supplying weapons and safe haven to US enemies.

Yeah they did. Sadly, they didn't pull out of the West Bank thereby nullifying the casus belli of most groups.


Which is the majority of the population. Sadly flag burning and chanting 'Death to Israel' makes better t.v than the moderate majority agreeing to a two state solution.


Yea a two state solution bringing every single city in Israel into rocket range. That would be a great move by Israel. If the Palestinians wanted a two state solution they would have developed Gaza after the Israeli withdrawal instead of razing the greenhouses to the ground. They would have not continuously fired rockets into Israel since the withdrawl. They would have taken that as a sign of good faith that Israel was willing to pull out of occupied territory. The Palestinians have failed miserably. Every time Israel makes a concession, they are seen as weak, and the Arabs use that to their advantage.

you didnt read the thread did you!!

its occupied land
As it stands, Israel occupied the Golan after the 1967 War, in which Egypt and Syria were moving to attack Israel. Israeli control of the Golan Heights was reaffirmed after the Yom Kippur War, in which the Israeli's secured the position after a surprise attack launched by the Syrian and Egyptian militaries. Under the conditions, the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights is a defensive occupation, against the military of a state that has been known to launch aggressive attacks against Israel in the past.

Yea a two state solution bringing every single city in Israel into rocket range. That would be a great move by Israel.
You're assuming that the Palestinians as a whole want the destruction of the state of Israel. I showed you that almost 60% of Palestinians prefer a two- state solution.

If the Palestinians wanted a two state solution they would have developed Gaza after the Israeli withdrawal instead of razing the greenhouses to the ground.
Easily countered. If the Israelis wanted a two state solution they would have pulled out of the West Bank too. *shrug*

They would have not continuously fired rockets into Israel since the withdrawl.
See: Problem of continuing occupation of West Bank.

They would have taken that as a sign of good faith that Israel was willing to pull out of occupied territory. The Palestinians have failed miserably. Every time Israel makes a concession, they are seen as weak, and the Arabs use that to their advantage.
"Good faith" would be exemplified by a withdrawal from the Gaza strip and the West Bank, not merely one of them.
*shrug*

Just on the news: Syrian tanks have moved onto the Golan Heights and Syrian soldiers have been spotted removing mines in the area.

My comments: this sort of activity usually preceeds an attack by armor.


They'll only attack if israel breaks the cease fire. and they will never go past golan heights. Unless attacked.

They'll only attack if israel breaks the cease fire. and they will never go past golan heights. Unless attacked.

Israel has already violated Syrian airspace several times. And Israel has never needed a reason or cause to attack.

You're assuming that the Palestinians as a whole want the destruction of the state of Israel. I showed you that almost 60% of Palestinians prefer a two- state solution.


Easily countered. If the Israelis wanted a two state solution they would have pulled out of the West Bank too. *shrug*


See: Problem of continuing occupation of West Bank.


"Good faith" would be exemplified by a withdrawal from the Gaza strip and the West Bank, not merely one of them.
*shrug*

And 40% of them are hostile towards Israel and DON'T want a two state solution.

How is that fair to Israel? To give away every last baragaining chip (they need those to ensure their safety from their hostile neighbors) without any sign that the Palestinians would actually end their hostilities towards Israel?

If the Pals really wanted to live in peace, they woul dhave taken Gaza as a sign that Israel is willing to uproot Jews that have ben living in these areas for almost 40 years to make peace.

An honest peace partner would have seen the Gaza withdrawl as a sign that Israel can and will give up lands in order to make peace. But, as I've said, Israel has gotten nothing more but rockets. Why would the Palestinians keep firinng missiles from the land they had just been given. If I was a Palestinian I would have seen the Gaza pullout as a major concession by Israel and would have realized that if we put our damn weapons down, we coul dhave the whole west bank.

The thing yo are failing to see about this conflict is that it isnt' about Occupied Territories. It's about the failuire to accept Israel as a state, and as you've shown us...40% of the Palestinians refuse to accept a two state solution. Before '67, all the arabs nd the Palis were trying to destroy Israel. Palestinian terrorism and Arab aggression wasn't soemthing new to the post ''67 era. It's been going on since the 20s.

EDIT: takin my little bro for pizza everyone, be back in half hour

Hey, I read the site often enough, but tend not to post very much anymore... most arguments on NS are a little lacking in knowledge with of course some exceptions.. (you know who you are)

But this one I had to comment on...

Give you a break? I think not...

Here, read this and think about it for a while...Israel at the moment holds the record for the MOST UN resolutions passed against them, not including the ones that the USA vetoes now on a regular basis.

Hezbollah won this war... like it or not... it's the truth. If the USA can send 2 billion dollars a year to Israel in arms & aid...(given they are no where even close to a third world country) Then what the hell is wrong with Iran and or Syria giving aid to the ONLY army (Hezbollah) who has ever won battles against Israel. Perhaps when Israel stops holding the Palestinians hostage on their own land... I will have a good word for Israel. In the meantime, it is what it is.

And lets not forget... for everyone who thinks "Anti-Semite" only applies to Israel... NEWS FLASH! Arab's are Semites too! Just keep that in mind.

With all due respect, 99% of you haven't a clue what you're talking about. Sorry, but that is just the way it is.
Generally regarding that these resolutions were passed with the support of the Soviet Bloc, and that the Americans didn't veto for the simple reason that we wanted to keep some semblance of influence amongst the Arab states in the region, most of these resolutions are meaningless. Propaganda was the primary purpose for most of these toothless resolutions, make it so the Soviets could stir up support for themselves amongst the Arab populations of the region. No real substance to them at all.

And 40% of them are hostile towards Israel and DON'T want a two state solution.
Ok, focus on the minority then. I'll focus on the majority (which is all that matters) Maybe if you click the link you see that less than 3% want an Islamic state. 22% want a state encompassing all of Palestine
where Palestinians and Israelis enjoy equal representation and rights.

Doesn't say anything about them being 'hostile'.


How is that fair to Israel? To give away every last baragaining chip (they need those to ensure their safety from their hostile neighbors) without any sign that the Palestinians would actually end their hostilities towards Israel?
No, I believe their "last bargaining chip" would be their technologically advanced military.


If the Pals really wanted to live in peace, they woul dhave taken Gaza as a sign that Israel is willing to uproot Jews that have ben living in these areas for almost 40 years to make peace.
If the Israelis really wanted to live in peace, they would have pulled out of the West Bank at the same time, thereby nullifying the casus belli of most Palestinian groups.

If I was a Palestinian I would have seen the Gaza pullout as a major concession by Israel and would have realized that if we put our damn weapons down, we coul dhave the whole west bank.
If I was a Palestinian I would have seen the Gaza pullout and wondered why the hell they didn't pull out of the West Bank too.

The thing yo are failing to see about this conflict is that it isnt' about Occupied Territories. It's about the failuire to accept Israel as a state, and as you've shown us...40% of the Palestinians refuse to accept a two state solution.
Yeah...actually click on the link and read through some of it. Its eye-opening.

Ok, focus on the minority then. I'll focus on the majority (which is all that matters) Maybe if you click the link you see that less than 3% want an Islamic state. 22% want a state encompassing all of Palestine
where Palestinians and Israelis enjoy equal representation and rights.

Doesn't say anything about them being 'hostile'.


No, I believe their "last bargaining chip" would be their technologically advanced military.


If the Israelis really wanted to live in peace, they would have pulled out of the West Bank at the same time, thereby nullifying the casus belli of most Palestinian groups.


If I was a Palestinian I would have seen the Gaza pullout and wondered why the hell they didn't pull out of the West Bank too.


Yeah...actually click on the link and read through some of it. Its eye-opening.

60-40..yes the 40 would be the minority, however 40% is still quite a large amount of the population that wishes to see Israel disappear.


Is it that hard to accept the fact that these Palestinians don't want to see Israel exist? That they want to fly the flag of Allah over all of Palestine (go check out the Hamas charter). The Israeli right has said for years that giving away land does nothing but make Israel look weak to the Arabs and allows them to attack Israel from a closer range.

You would wonder why they didn't pull out of the West Bank? Have you forgotten about the suicide bombings, kidnappings, etc? Those are the harsh reality over there. And for Israel to give away land with no guarantee of peace and safety would in fact be suicide.

60-40..yes the 40 would be the minority, however 40% is still quite a large amount of the population that wishes to see Israel disappear.

Clearly you haven't read the link yet.

Is it that hard to accept the fact that these Palestinians don't want to see Israel exist?
I accept a tiny minority (less than 3%) want that yes. Just don't perpetrate the falseity that people voted for Hamas purely becuase they want the destruction of Israel,

Q24. If you voted for Hamas , why so?*
Hope to end the Corruption 43%
For their political agenda 11.8%
The Israeli right has said for years that giving away land does nothing but make Israel look weak to the Arabs and allows them to attack Israel from a closer range.
Ain't self-determination a bitch?


You would wonder why they didn't pull out of the West Bank? Have you forgotten about the suicide bombings, kidnappings, etc? Those are the harsh reality over there. And for Israel to give away land with no guarantee of peace and safety would in fact be suicide.
Holding on to it hasn't made them any safer. Maybe a two state solution would work. Couldn't hurt to try. God knows the IDF would just waltz back in regardless.

Yeah they did. Sadly, they didn't pull out of the West Bank thereby nullifying the casus belli of most groups.

They are still planning on pulling out of the West Bank. Will have to wait and see on that.

Which is the majority of the population. Sadly flag burning and chanting 'Death to Israel' makes better t.v than the moderate majority agreeing to a two state solution.

Yep.

Syria preparing to attack Isreal?
Is real? Nah, is fake.

Looks like the Syrian President is talking the talk. I found this on a Jewish news site. It talks about an interview with Assad in an Egyptian paper.

Syrian President Bashar Assad said his country is prepared for any war that may break out with Israel, adding that he is convinced that the chances for peace have decreased and that “the Golan Heights will be liberated by Syria.”http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3291338,00.html

Looks like the Syrian President is talking the talk. I found this on a Jewish news site. It talks about an interview with Assad in an Egyptian paper.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3291338,00.html

If he wants to be stupid and attack Israel, that is his perogative. I hope he realizes the devestation that his nation is going to suffer if he does.