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I ran across this article this morning...

So What's Our Role in Iraq's Civil War? (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/08/AR2006080800941.html)

Interesting piece, but what really caught my attention was this paragraph...

"While chairing a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, [Virginia Republican John] Warner suggested that the president might need a new congressional resolution authorizing our presence in Iraq, since the conflict there has become (or, best case, may yet become) a civil war."

I sure most of you here would have a good idea how that vote would come out...

I never supported the Iraq war, But now that were in this mess, I think we should stick it out. We really can't just abandon a country after destroying it, we should clean up our own mess

I never supported the Iraq war, But now that were in his mess, I think we should stick it out. We really can't just abandon a country after destroying it, we should clean up our own mess

The problem is that a majority of USians, a majoity of Iraqis, and the Iraqi PM himself want us out.

Here's a great analogy I've heard.

"You don't understand. I don't want to go out with you anymore!"

"Great. So, I'll pick you up tomorrow at 8."

etc...

In the end our government is acting like a stalker of an ex-boyfriend.

There must be no civil war. America must stay behind and clear up the mess they made, no matter how many of your "fine young men" have to die.

I don't think we'll be leaving anytime soon, unless somehow the entire mainstream American political spectrum moves left. And the trends have it just moving further and further right...so yeah. I see arms contractors benefiting from this for years to come.

The problem is that a majority of USians, a majoity of Iraqis, and the Iraqi PM himself want us out.

Here's a great analogy I've heard.

"You don't understand. I don't want to go out with you anymore!"

"Great. So, I'll pick you up tomorrow at 8."

etc...

In the end our government is acting like a stalker of an ex-boyfriend.

Though in that analogy, the woman wasn't falling down a building the man threw her off of. If he acknowledged his mistake and offered help, and she would rather splat on the ground than have him save her (by diving down and using a parachute when he catches her or something) then she's a stupid bitch.

I don't think we'll be leaving anytime soon, unless somehow the entire mainstream American political spectrum moves left. And the trends have it just moving further and further right...so yeah. I see arms contractors benefiting from this for years to come.

I dunno about that - it seems most people are tired of listening to republican rhetoric and bullshit explanations, so I think we'll see more left-leaning than usual.

Though in that analogy, the woman wasn't falling down a building the man threw her off of. If he acknowledged his mistake and offered help, and she would rather splat on the ground than have him save her (by diving down and using a parachute when he catches her or something) then she's a stupid bitch.

And your analogy doesn't make a bit of sense...

Honestly.

None.

Since when did we "expect" anything from the Iraq war? We stormed in without the faintest idea as to when or how it might finish.

****** Yawn *****

I never supported the Iraq war, But now that were in this mess, I think we should stick it out. We really can't just abandon a country after destroying it, we should clean up our own mess

They can abandon it, they did it in Afghanistan, they did it in Somalia, they did it in Viet Nam and they're gunna do it now.

And your analogy doesn't make a bit of sense...

Honestly.

None.

I'm sorry, but it does.

We threw the woman (Iraq) off a building (Dictatorship and relative stability and familiarity) so she could be on the ground (more stable, democratic Iraq) and then realized "Holy shit she's gonna hit the ground way too fast, we have to help her!" ("We fucked up so badly in pretty much everything we've done to further our goal"), so just walking away would be bad. So we're offering to dive down and save her (stay in and stop fucking up) so she lands on the ground more softly.


I'm not sure how that doesn't make sense.

They can abandon it, they did it in Afghanistan, they did it in Somalia, they did it in Viet Nam and they're gunna do it now.

They didn't so much "abandon" Vietnam, as they did "get their asses whooped by guerilla soldiers" - slight difference. They pretty much HAD to leave.

The problem is that a majority of USians, a majoity of Iraqis, and the Iraqi PM himself want us out.

Here's a great analogy I've heard.

"You don't understand. I don't want to go out with you anymore!"

"Great. So, I'll pick you up tomorrow at 8."

etc...

In the end our government is acting like a stalker of an ex-boyfriend.

*shrugs* people don't know whats good for them sometimes
if we just buggered off we'd pretty much be creating another Somalia in the center of the middle east.

They can abandon it, they did it in Afghanistan, they did it in Somalia, they did it in Viet Nam and they're gunna do it now.
And look how absolutely peachy things turned out for Afghanistan and Somalia. (Vietnam, on the other hand, seems to be looking up now, somewhat curiously, and under a functioning socialist government, too)

The US should never have gone into Iraq, problem is, now we're there we can't just get up and leave. Iraq looks like it is on the verge of civil war and at the moment, US soldiers are the only common enemy the extremists have. I don't want to see soldiers killed for a pointless war, but if they stay then there is at least a chance of stability in the future.

If the US and Britain pull out now then the various factions will turn on each other and the whole powder keg will blow up leading to a long and destructive civil war

And look how absolutely peachy things turned out for Afghanistan and Somalia. (Vietnam, on the other hand, seems to be looking up now, somewhat curiously, and under a functioning socialist government, too)

Well, considering how hard they fought for it, it's not really a surprise.

Actually we're still in Afghanistan.

Vietnam, on the other hand, seems to be looking up now, somewhat curiously, and under a functioning socialist government, too

Why not read up on the aftermath of the war.... where 1 million vietnamese fled the country and another million got stuck in "re-education" centers......

But its looking up... US multi-nationals are building factories there... so it cant all be bad any more

Actually we're still in Afghanistan.

We're also still in Germany and Japan it dosen't mean we have any effect.