NationStates Jolt Archive

For anyone who thinks the IDF carpet bombed Beirut, this should clear things up.

http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/vital_perspective_clarity/2006/07/new_map_of_beir.html

not exactly an imparital and accurate guide really, is it

What stuns me, almost enough to make my own thread about it, but I'll just borrow yours instead, is this escalation of violence on both sides leading up to the cease-fire.

It's like they are trying to play 'Beat the Clock'. Maybe they're afraid that once they stop, the international community won't let them start again so both sides are trying to get as much killing in while they still can. *shrug*

And people say I'M crazy.

That didn't clear up much.

I did find this though... It's an old one, from August 4th.

Before and after (http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/47/472/472969/beirut.jpg)

A photo from Associated Press. Does anybody have better/newer pics?

EDIT: Made pic into link to avoid breaking page

What stuns me, almost enough to make my own thread about it, but I'll just borrow yours instead, is this escalation of violence on both sides leading up to the cease-fire.

It's like they are trying to play 'Beat the Clock'. Maybe they're afraid that once they stop, the international community won't let them start again so both sides are trying to get as much killing in while they still can. *shrug*

And people say I'M crazy.
You're right, they're trying to get as much leverage as possible before the ceasefire. The problem is that Hezbollah couldn't care less about the international community. They will start the violence again when it is the right time for them.

I love how when these people don't like the truth they attack the messenger. As if it is not staggeringly obvious that the IDF was doing their best to hit Hezbollah targets. The thruth of the matter is that too many have fallen for the terrorist media blitz that makes Israel look like the bad guy. The news reports of ambulances being told to just drive back and forth empty all day with nobody in them should tell you somthing. The faked AP photos should tell you somthing. One woman managed to lose her family home...........twice? One man carrying his bloodied daughter....who in fact died from a fall off of a swingset? all of these manipulations are the types of things that get innocent bystanders on the anti-semite terrorists side, in viewing the legitimate nation, Israel, as the aggressor, and not the terrorist organization.They don't even know how much they have been manipulated. Scary stuff.

That didn't clear up much.

I did find this though... It's an old one, from August 4th.

Before and after (http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/47/472/472969/beirut.jpg)

A photo from Associated Press. Does anybody have better/newer pics?

EDIT: Made pic into link to avoid breaking page
Notice how that photo could be a shot of anything. The one I posted gives an accurate map and describes the targets in detail.

not exactly an imparital and accurate guide really, is it
Does all of your information have to come from anti-Israeli sources?

Of course, it does, read my last post. They have fallen for the Hezbollah propaganda machine that is funded by Iran.

Of course, it does, read my last post. They have fallen for the Hezbollah propaganda machine that is funded by Iran.
Not only Iran but our good friends the Saudis. The Saudis fund madrassas that teach Wahhabism, the most intolerant sect of islam right here on American soil. Also, they have CAIR and the heads of those Middle Eastern studies in most colleges? Guess where they get their money from?

You're right, they're trying to get as much leverage as possible before the ceasefire. The problem is that Hezbollah couldn't care less about the international community. They will start the violence again when it is the right time for them.

Seems like the best time, doesn't it? I mean, if they started the violence again when it wasn't the right time for them, it could backfire on them. Then again, I could be WAAAAY off base. :)

Seems like the best time, doesn't it? I mean, if they started the violence again when it wasn't the right time for them, it could backfire on them. Then again, I could be WAAAAY off base. :)
What I was trying to say is that if this so-called ceasefire is imposed, Hezbollah's popularity will be inflated because they will look like the victors. Then, they will just buy time until they can get more rockets and jihadists, and it will start again.

The very idea that now we call ceasefires with a terrorist organization if it is strong enough empowers and gives incentive to other terrorist organizations to inflate their ranks so that they might also get such an advantage. Hello....anybody in the UN? You cannot call a ceasefire with Hezbollah....they will break it. That seems rather basic.

What I was trying to say is that if this so-called ceasefire is imposed, Hezbollah's popularity will be inflated because they will look like the victors. Then, they will just buy time until they can get more rockets and jihadists, and it will start again.
their demagogy machine will show them as victors even if they will all die.
there is nothing we can do about it in the current situation, after we fail to use our opportunity and end it fast in all of our force.
it may be great mistake that we will be sorry for it, but right now ceasefire is the best option.

Notice how that photo could be a shot of anything. The one I posted gives an accurate map and describes the targets in detail.
Map with unverified target descriptions dated JULY 27th 2006 Vs. Satelite photo... Hmmm...

I'd still like to see satelite photos.

Map with unverified target descriptions dated JULY 27th 2006 Vs. Satelite photo... Hmmm...

I'd still like to see satelite photos.

So lets see them. I can only hope they are as accurate as Casbah's map! If they do not explain in as much detail, and clarity, as to what area they are in, and when the damage was done, they are not very relavent.

Does all of your information have to come from anti-Israeli sources?

none of it does, but i question that poor an image from that type of blog.

none of it does, but i question that poor an image from that type of blog.
Are you shitting me? That image was extremely detailed. What do you need, a 3-d version of every building in Beirut?

If you can produce for me an image that describes the targets and shows the extent of the damage, and the damage is more than the damage in my photo, I will eat my words.

Are you shitting me? That image was extremely detailed. What do you need, a 3-d version of every building in Beirut?

If you can produce for me an image that describes the targets and shows the extent of the damage, and the damage is more than the damage in my photo, I will eat my words.

Are we looking at the same image? The one at the top of the page you linked to?

Are you shitting me? That image was extremely detailed. What do you need, a 3-d version of every building in Beirut?

If you can produce for me an image that describes the targets and shows the extent of the damage, and the damage is more than the damage in my photo, I will eat my words.

i dont find the images as informative as i should obviously

you are making a very large assumprion that the images were taken when they say they were taken and the airport question wasnt answered to my satisfaction

So lets see them. I can only hope they are as accurate as Casbah's map! If they do not explain in as much detail, and clarity, as to what area they are in, and when the damage was done, they are not very relavent.
I would very much like to. And I would be satisfied to just see pictures of the city in its entirety. Then we can use the old map in the blog to see which areas should be hit, and where the bombing has taken place outside those areas marked on the map.

So again, has anyone seen actual updated satelitephotos of Beirut?

Props to the Eye dee eff

Props to the Eye dee eff
No, it's GeoEye.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14252208
http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/world/20060804_MIDEAST_GRAPHIC/index.html

(Same area)

Does all of your information have to come from anti-Israeli sources?Look who's talking. Take a look at all the adverts further down the page to see how impartial your source is ;)

HAHAHA!!! Look at what's at the bottom of the page:


http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/lubnanhurr.jpg (http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/vital_perspective_clarity/2006/07/new_map_of_beir.html)

Notice how that photo could be a shot of anything. The one I posted gives an accurate map and describes the targets in detail.
Pedant.

Look who's talking. Take a look at all the adverts further down the page to see how impartial your source is ;)

HAHAHA!!! Look at what's at the bottom of the page:


http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/lubnanhurr.jpg (http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/vital_perspective_clarity/2006/07/new_map_of_beir.html)
and this not only a few inches/centimetres above:
http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/if-19.gif (http://reborn-by-design.com/if-project.html)

Notice how that photo could be a shot of anything. The one I posted gives an accurate map and describes the targets in detail.
Lots of target practice in Lebanon?

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/6998/196/1600/lebanon%20map%20July%2012-25.jpg

Anyone who uses a blog as a source and claims it's impartial and/or accurate is a moron.

and this not only a few inches/centimetres above:
http://vitalperspective.typepad.com/if-19.gif (http://reborn-by-design.com/if-project.html)
I know. I'm commenting on the irony that they still have the banners from the Syrian pull out up while they're vilifying Lebanon...

I know. I'm commenting on the irony that they still have the banners from the Syrian pull out up while they're vilifying Lebanon...
Yes, how very ironic indeed. Okay Syria, remove your troops from Lebanon so that we can blow it to bits?

I know. I'm commenting on the irony that they still have the banners from the Syrian pull out up while they're vilifying Lebanon...

I'm sure the blogger would reply by saying that they are not vilifying Lebanon, they are vilifying Hizbollah - the two are hardly the same entity. Indeed, depending on the severity of the blogger they may say that irradicating 'l-Hizb is a great favour that Israel is doing them.

I love how when these people don't like the truth they attack the messenger.
You would never do anything like that, now would you? :rolleyes:

As if it is not staggeringly obvious that the IDF was doing their best to hit Hezbollah targets.
Staggeringly obvious to you perhaps?

The thruth of the matter is that too many have fallen for the terrorist media blitz that makes Israel look like the bad guy. The news reports of ambulances being told to just drive back and forth empty all day with nobody in them should tell you somthing. The faked AP photos should tell you somthing. One woman managed to lose her family home...........twice? One man carrying his bloodied daughter....who in fact died from a fall off of a swingset?
You are truly a wealth of information. Can you back up all these claims?

all of these manipulations are the types of things that get innocent bystanders on the anti-semite terrorists side, in viewing the legitimate nation, Israel, as the aggressor, and not the terrorist organization.
Lebanon is not a legitimate country? The extent of Israel's reaction to the kidnapping of a couple of soldiers is indeed disproportionate. The high number of civilian casualties and destruction of infastructure was unacceptable.

They don't even know how much they have been manipulated. Scary stuff.
*Hands USBarryAlpenGoldwaterStock a mirror.