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This is your chance to wish Fidel Castro a Happy Birthday,
and fast recovery from surgery if you wish, or to die and
go to hell where he belongs, if he is not already dead.

He might be recovering from surgery and will not be able
to resume his dictator duties, but will be left a sort of
figure head dictator.

Or he is recovering and will resume his dictator like duties.

Post your wishes why or why not.

Fidel Castro Ruz born August 13, 1926
in Biran Cuba, Oriente Province,
now Biran Cuba, Holguin Province.

Cuba is ruled by Fidel, a psychotic dictator like personality
who rules without fear or favor, outlaws just about anything.

While helping other nations with educators, doctors and nurses,
while treating foreigners better than his brothers and sisters, with hotels, restaurants and Jineteras, all reserved for foreigners, while treating his brothers and sisters as his little play things for life.

Naming his brother Raul as thier successor dictator for life.

Sunday August 13, an appropriate date for his birthday,
Fidel the devil of Cuba, may rise again to rule
another 47 years or so over his brothers and sisters
as his little play things for life.

May he finally rot in hell where he belongs.

I just want to see him fall face first in public again.

Eh I think he's already dead. I mean if he wasn't wouldn't his government be parading it like a pimp parades a really good looking whore?

I'd rather have Fidel than Raul. So I hope he gets better. He might not have a democratic place, but he sure keeps it clean.

ahhhh Fidel. Out of all the worlds dictators, he's the most loveable.

Haaaaaappppy birthday, to you.
Haaaaaappppy birthday, to you.
Haaaaaappppy birthday, Mr. Dictator.
Haaaaaappppy birthday, to you.

*kisses*

Happy birthday Fidel Castro, you plundering, theiving (http://www.usatoday.com/money/2006-05-04-castro_x.htm), oppressive, murderous bastard. May you never see another.

ahhhh Fidel. Out of all the worlds dictators, he's the most loveable.

nah. That'd be good ole Moammar Qaddafi.

Ok, for all of the Castro supporters out there, why do you like him? Beside the national health care policy.

And where's the "I wish Fidel a Happy 80 th Birthday, now die already" option?

His candles should be sticks of dynamite.

Ok, for all of the Castro supporters out there, why do you like him? Beside the national health care policy.

If I might be so bold as to answer truthfully what they probably won't tell you: one of the main reasons is because he "stands up to teh Ebil, ebil, ebil USAians!"

You know, I'd always wondered whether he had already named a successor or not.

Lines of succession make assassination more complicated.

If I might be so bold as to answer truthfully what they probably won't tell you: one of the main reasons is because he "stands up to teh Ebil, ebil, ebil USAians!"

Which is Ironic since it was Cubans who carried out the Bay of Pigs, the USA just gathered the intelligence.

If I might be so bold as to answer truthfully what they probably won't tell you: one of the main reasons is because he "stands up to teh Ebil, ebil, ebil USAians!"

that and his dashing good looks

Didn't Fidel refuse aid from the US for one of the hurricanes? That guy is awesome.

You know, I'd always wondered whether he had already named a successor or not.

Lines of succession make assassination more complicated.

Not unless they're all in the same building and you blow the building up!

Didn't Fidel refuse aid from the US for one of the hurricanes? That guy is awesome.

Yea... umm, how does that make him awesome exactly?

Yea... umm, how does that make him awesome exactly?
You're one of those people who needs smilies to know how to feel about someone's comment, right?

If I might be so bold as to answer truthfully what they probably won't tell you: one of the main reasons is because he "stands up to teh Ebil, ebil, ebil USAians!"
*nods*

If I might be so bold as to answer truthfully what they probably won't tell you: one of the main reasons is because he "stands up to teh Ebil, ebil, ebil USAians!"

I'm an American and I support Fidel.

You're one of those people who needs smilies to know how to feel about someone's comment, right?

Answear the question.

I'm an American and I support Fidel.

Then why?

Answear the question.
You're sad

You're sad

You got nothing. All you're doing is making Daistallia 2104 comments accurate.

You got nothing. All you're doing is making Daistallia 2104 comments accurate.
are you an idiot?

are you an idiot?

You said Didn't Fidel refuse aid from the US for one of the hurricanes? That guy is awesome.

and I ask you why you thought that, however you haven't really provide a real answear, and you call me an idiot? Contact General Control on 121.80 good day.

If I might be so bold as to answer truthfully what they probably won't tell you: one of the main reasons is because he "stands up to teh Ebil, ebil, ebil USAians!"

well he does, and with style and panache and grandfatherly dignity. sure the butchering imperial scum of the yankee industrofascist elite hate him for his courage integrity and honesty, but they have never in the last 40 years been able to bring him down.

they have tried to kill the great man many times. plotted for years with the counter revolutionary cowardly traitors lurking in miami to overthrow him, and slandered his name in the corperate press and their propaganda organs, but all to no avail. he is beloved in cuban, and respect throughout all the rest of the world, their schemes and bribes and bullying have come to nothing and the great man will die of natural causes and be buried in his homeland as its greatest hero.

then the vermin will proclaim victory against him as if they had brought him down, and begin again their plotting and with the treasonous exile scum they will attempt to undermine all he and the heroic cuban people have accomplished in the last 40 years.

that and his dashing good looks

I'll give him that. ;)

As a bearded "wierdo" myself, I always envy the commies beards. They always seem to have the best ones.

Didn't Fidel refuse aid from the US for one of the hurricanes?

Yep (http://english.people.com.cn/200408/24/eng20040824_154602.html) - twas Dennis in 2004, and he made a big deal about rejecting the $50k.

Then last year he very quietly accepted US aid after Wilma (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/10/27/141009.shtml).

The US kindly returned the rejection (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9311876/) after Katrina.

You said

and I ask you why you thought that, however you haven't really provide a real answear, and you call me an idiot? Contact General Control on 121.80 good day.
That's correct, I did. I was thinking that you couldn't be that daft, I was wrong. Why would I point out something incredibly moronic,spiteful and selfish that he did and then give him a pat on the back unless I were being facetious?

I'll give him that. ;)

As a bearded "wierdo" myself, I always envy the commies beards. They always seem to have the best ones.



Yep (http://english.people.com.cn/200408/24/eng20040824_154602.html) - twas Dennis in 2004, and he made a big deal about rejecting the $50k.

Then last year he very quietly accepted US aid after Wilma (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/10/27/141009.shtml).

The US kindly returned the rejection (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9311876/) after Katrina. :D That is classic Fidel. I didn't know about the other 2, interesting.

I find it mildly ironic, that Castro, the 16th most hated man in the world
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/allender/worldhat.htm never uses a glass bubble, or any sort of protection when he is in public, unlike the pope. I have to say to Castro though, he looked a lot better than the old pope did on his 80th.

I find it mildly ironic, that Castro, the 16th most hated man in the world
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/allender/worldhat.htm never uses a glass bubble, or any sort of protection when he is in public, unlike the pope. I have to say to Castro though, he looked a lot better than the old pope did on his 80th.
Wow, that list really needs to be updated. Anyway, only 16th? what a failure.

lol

I'll give him that. ;)

As a bearded "wierdo" myself, I always envy the commies beards. They always seem to have the best ones.
VERY ture! (code for "you have a TG!")

I'll give him that. ;)

As a bearded "wierdo" myself, I always envy the commies beards. They always seem to have the best ones.

non-existent god willing, i'll have myself a kropotkin when i'm old

http://www.marxists.org/espanol/kropotkin/kropotkin.gif

non-existent god willing, i'll have myself a kropotkin when i'm old

http://www.marxists.org/espanol/kropotkin/kropotkin.gif

I bet that'll be a bitch to clean out.

You know, I'd always wondered whether he had already named a successor or not.

Lines of succession make assassination more complicated.

AFAIK, Raul's been the designated successor for quite some time. Interestingly, if he does end up as President, we can probably expect a Chinese style hardline party run state with capitalistic market reforms.

well he does, and with style and panache and grandfatherly dignity.

Granted.

sure the butchering imperial scum of the yankee industrofascist elite hate him for his courage integrity and honesty, but they have never in the last 40 years been able to bring him down.

they have tried to kill the great man many times. plotted for years with the counter revolutionary cowardly traitors lurking in miami to overthrow him, and slandered his name in the corperate press and their propaganda organs, but all to no avail. he is beloved in cuban, and respect throughout all the rest of the world, their schemes and bribes and bullying have come to nothing and the great man will die of natural causes and be buried in his homeland as its greatest hero.

then the vermin will proclaim victory against him as if they had brought him down, and begin again their plotting and with the treasonous exile scum they will attempt to undermine all he and the heroic cuban people have accomplished in the last 40 years.

Now that's good parody! :D

I find it mildly ironic, that Castro, the 16th most hated man in the world
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/allender/worldhat.htm never uses a glass bubble, or any sort of protection when he is in public, unlike the pope. I have to say to Castro though, he looked a lot better than the old pope did on his 80th.

:confused: Why is Tipper Gore hated more than...well, everyone except Manson and Nixon?

Then why?

He handles Cuba very well and has done pretty good for it.

He handles Cuba very well and has done pretty good for it.

Then expain why Miami has Cuban refugees.

Why the Hell is Lee Harvey Oswald still hated? Are people dumb enough to still believe that he killed JFK?

Why the Hell is Lee Harvey Oswald still hated? Are people dumb enough to still believe that he killed JFK?

Time to pass out the Tin Foil Hats!

Then expain why Miami has Cuban refugees.

Those people are either

A: opposition to Fidel
B: want democracy

Besides, some people flee the U.S.

I don't particularly like him, but I don't wish death on him.

nah. That'd be good ole Moammar Qaddafi.

What about Niyazov, the Great Turkmenbashi?

non-existent god willing, i'll have myself a kropotkin when i'm old

http://www.marxists.org/espanol/kropotkin/kropotkin.gif

I see your Kropotkin and raise you a Bakunin.

http://www.ronaldbrucemeyer.com/rantpix/bakunin.gif

Then expain why Miami has Cuban refugees.

castro fans could reasonably ask the same question about new brunswick in the 1780s

Those people are either

A: opposition to Fidel
B: want democracy

Besides, some people flee the U.S.

Yea, but they don't go from the US to Cuba, they go somewhere equally as good.

non-existent god willing, i'll have myself a kropotkin when i'm old

http://www.marxists.org/espanol/kropotkin/kropotkin.gif

Sweet. I've got a good start on one...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/Daistallia/beadotheweirdo.jpg

(And yes, it is a hellacious bitch to keep clean. But you'd be amazed at how it attracts women. I know I am.)

And while we're on the subject, this one's always my best beard (even though I only get to wear it a few times a year.)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/Daistallia/a89388cb.jpg

Sweet. I've got a good start on one...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/Daistallia/beadotheweirdo.jpg

(And yes, it is a hellacious bitch to keep clean. But you'd be amazed at how it attracts women. I know I am.)

And while we're on the subject, this one's always my best beard (even though I only get to wear it a few times a year.)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v493/Daistallia/a89388cb.jpg

Ever lost a french fry in your beard? I can see you now, cleaning out your bead and you find a month old French Fry in it.

Yea, but they don't go from the US to Cuba, they go somewhere equally as good.

Well, obviously they don't. Americans aren't too well-liked there. Much like most of the world. So they go to Canada, which also happens to be where I'm going to move.

Then expain why Miami has Cuban refugees.

Why not go a step further and explain why California has Mexican immigrants?

No offence intended, and not necessarily directed at you, but I find it kinda funny how I see much whingeing about people entering the US from a nation that has done its own fair share of oppression in the past, (but is, nonetheless, a US ally) but Cuban people who do the same are merely "refugees" fleeing teh evil kommiez.

*shrugs*

I see your Kropotkin and raise you a Bakunin.

http://www.ronaldbrucemeyer.com/rantpix/bakunin.gif

well i'll raise you two zapatas

http://www.tlfq.ulaval.ca/axl/amnord/images/zapata.jpg

http://www.utpb.edu/utpb_adm/academicaffairs/collegeofartscience/deptofhumanitiesfinearts/ProgramOfHistory/zapata.jpg

He handles Cuba very well and has done pretty good for it.

Well better than Fulgencio Batista at least. (And you'll hopefully recognize that as the majoir concesion it is.)

Wilgrove, no french fries lost, but you'd be amazed at how hard it is to get melted cheese out of it. (>.<)

Why not go a step further and explain why California has Mexican immigrants?

Eh for the same reason the Cuban comes here, for a better life. However, we have had enough immigrants and really need to reform our immigration laws, however that's another topic.


No offence intended, and not necessarily directed at you, but I find it kinda funny how I see much whingeing about people entering the US from a nation that has done its own fair share of oppression in the past, (but is, nonetheless, a US ally) but Cuban people who do the same are merely "refugees" fleeing teh evil kommiez.

*shrugs*

Eh we're an ally to Mexico like a hard working person is an ally to the fat lazy cousin who he supports.

well i'll raise you two zapatas

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/br/8/8d/Makhno.jpg

Makhno mo coming yo way.

Why not go a step further and explain why California has Mexican immigrants?

No offence intended, and not necessarily directed at you, but I find it kinda funny how I see much whingeing about people entering the US from a nation that has done its own fair share of oppression in the past, (but is, nonetheless, a US ally) but Cuban people who do the same are merely "refugees" fleeing teh evil kommiez.

*shrugs*
If they make it to the beach, they're granted asylum. There must be a lot of pissed of Mexicans out there hearing that.

No offence intended, and not necessarily directed at you, but I find it kinda funny how I see much whingeing about people entering the US from a nation that has done its own fair share of oppression in the past, (but is, nonetheless, a US ally) but Cuban people who do the same are merely "refugees" fleeing teh evil kommiez.

Expedience explains why Mexico is an ally and Cuba isn't. If the US had gone the realpolitik route back in the 50s in regards to Cuba, we may not have been in this current situation. And Cuba might have been a lot freer.

Expedience explains why Mexico is an ally and Cuba isn't. If the US had gone the realpolitik route back in the 50s in regards to Cuba, we may not have been in this current situation. And Cuba might have been a lot freer.

Maybe, but that's not really what i'm getting at. What gets me is that immigrants from Cuba are okay, because they're fleeing omgkommunism, while those from Mexico are seen as just wannabe freeloaders.

(I might be wrong, and Cuban immigrants are treated much the same, but I have not seen evidence of such on this forum.)

*bakes a birthday cake*

Maybe, but that's not really what i'm getting at. What gets me is that immigrants from Cuba are okay, because they're fleeing omgkommunism, while those from Mexico are seen as just wannabe freeloaders.

(I might be wrong, and Cuban immigrants are treated much the same, but I have not seen evidence of such on this forum.)

A wicked mix of who has more influance, the perception that Cubans are political and Mexicans are economic migrants fed by stereotyping, the remenants of the the cold war's "OMFG!!! TEH COMMIES!!!!!!!!" ideology, and inertia. That a better answer? ;)

A wicked mix of who has more influance, the perception that Cubans are political and Mexicans are economic migrants fed by stereotyping, the remenants of the the cold war's "OMFG!!! TEH COMMIES!!!!!!!!" ideology, and inertia. That a better answer? ;)

Yes, quite. :D

Posted from The Real Cuba.com,
the only reason I am posting from the site is because
of the interesting way they expressed my general sentiment on the subject
of Fidel's reaperance.

Will Castro reappear on Sunday?

That is the $64,000 question.
Posted by La Habana Cuba, I would say that is the $ million Dollar question.

Sunday is the dictator's 80th. birthday and if his recuperation is as good as Cuban officials and the dictator's friends are saying, he should make an appearance on TV, probably with Elian Gonzalez bringing him a birthday cake, or something like that.

But the coca cake from Evo Morales will have to wait for now.
Morales asked for a visa to travel to Cuba and visit Castro, but the Cuban ambassador in Bolivia told him that Castro is not receiving visitors.

At the very least, the Cuban government would have to show a photo of him in his hospital bed to show that Castro is alive.

We will have to wait and see, but I bet that some kind of official announcement will be made on Sunday. Stay tuned.

Posted by La Habana Cuba :

Sunday August 13, an appropriate date for his birthday,
Fidel the devil of Cuba, may rise again to rule
another 47 years or so over his brothers and sisters
as his little play things for life.

May he finally rot in hell where he belongs.

14 Posters, 60 Posts, 252 views. only 12 voters, 07 of which posted?

Ok, for all of the Castro supporters out there, why do you like him? Beside the national health care policy.
Because he took one of the rottenest status quos going and turned it on its' priviliged, self-entitled head.

Fidel may not be the most popular person in USA but he's sure tougher than any US president so far.

Fidel may not be the most popular person in USA but he's sure tougher than any US president so far.


Jerusalem, I agree with you, Fidel is much tougher
than any US president so far, so much tougher that
if he were president of the USA in the same way he
is president of Cuba, he would take all the rights
away, many on this forum seem to take for granted.

The right to assemble, to protest, to vote for thier
political party or ideology, to disagree with any
government policy and have a system to change and
pass diffrent laws, the right to participate on a site
like Nationstates.

Check out the results of my two Public Poll threads,

Fidel Castro for, or George W Bush for USA

President?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476920

Fidel Castro or Other for President of the USA?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476922

Interesting to see how many on this forum would
vote for and wish a happy birthday to Fidel who would
really take all thier rights away,
including participating on a site like Nationstates.

Some persons think Fidel is already dead, and
the Cuban government is just buying time to
sort out power sharing and post positions by
governement leaders, as they seem to have done.

Some think this is all just a Cuban government
hoax for publicity, and Fidel will appear on his
birthday August 13 in excellent health.

If so this would be a very cruel hoax on all the
world including Fidel's opponents and admirers the world over, maybe including Hugo Chavez of Venezuela who may know or not know.

Some think he really is sick and recovering from
surgery and may or may not be fully capicitaded to
resume his dictator duties.

Some think this could be away for Raul to take over
with Fidel as a sort of figure head dictator,
actually in control.

Some like myself think any of these scenarios is
possible, as no-one can put anything past the Cuban
government.

Anyways, on Sunday August 13-06, Fidel's birthday
the Cuban government should show Fidel on TV or
in person, on less they want to continue the
speculation.

Jerusalem, I agree with you, Fidel is much tougher
than any US president so far, so much tougher that
if he were president of the USA in the same way he
is president of Cuba, he would take all the rights
away, many on this forum seem to take for granted.

The right to assemble, to protest, to vote for thier
political party or ideology, to disagree with any
government policy and have a system to change and
pass diffrent laws, the right to participate on a site
like Nationstates.

Check out the results of my two Public Poll threads,

Fidel Castro for, or George W Bush for USA

President?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476920

Fidel Castro or Other for President of the USA?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476922

Interesting to see how many on this forum would
vote for and wish a happy birthday to Fidel who would
really take all thier rights away,
including participating on a site like Nationstates.

Some persons think Fidel is already dead, and
the Cuban government is just buying time to
sort out power sharing and post positions by
governement leaders, as they seem to have done.

Some think this is all just a Cuban government
hoax for publicity, and Fidel will appear on his
birthday August 13 in excellent health.

If so this would be a very cruel hoax on all the
world including Fidel's opponents and admirers the world over, maybe including Hugo Chavez of Venezuela who may know or not know.

Some think he really is sick and recovering from
surgery and may or may not be fully capicitaded to
resume his dictator duties.

Some think this could be away for Raul to take over
with Fidel as a sort of figure head dictator,
actually in control.

Some like myself think any of these scenarios is
possible, as no-one can put anything past the Cuban
government.

Anyways, on Sunday August 13-06, Fidel's birthday
the Cuban government should show Fidel on TV or
in person, on less they want to continue the
speculation.

Just out of curiousity, why do you post in that manner? Is it to make your posts seem longer?

On topic, if Fidel dies, who will become the Free World's next bogeyman?

I really hope Castro gets better, more because I'm going to Cuba on holiday tommorow and don't want to be present at his funeral than anything else.

Ahmedinejad, off course.

I wish everyone a happy birthday, even if they harm the rights of protestant communities in the country in which they have illegally come to power.

I simply hope that the birthday of Mr. Castro-Ruz will be celebrated outside the realms of power.

I find it mildly ironic, that Castro, the 16th most hated man in the world
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/allender/worldhat.htm never uses a glass bubble, or any sort of protection when he is in public, unlike the pope. I have to say to Castro though, he looked a lot better than the old pope did on his 80th.
10 Fatty Arbuckle... lol. how can a generally forgotten and long dead silent movie comedian, brought down by a sex scandel before 90 some percent of the worlds population was even born be one of the top 10 most hated people in 1992... most of the people who voted for him probably didn't even know who he was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatty_Arbuckle

With a stagnant economy, concentration camps, no freedom of speech, and no free elections under his rapid anti-freedom dictatorship...it is a wonder that 45% of the people polled in this thread would wish for him to be happy on his birthday. He is a vile man who has ruined his nation's modern life. Don't believe me? Ask around in Miami next time you are there.

I hope that he is suffering stomach pains in place of the pains of concience he ought to be feeling, since he seems to have ignored them.

'Course, as dictators go, he's probably better than the other options, given that he's had a much easier time of it because of the size and population of his opressed homeland.

There is simply no excuse for supporting or liking Fidel Castro in any way. Look at his record. He is a terrible dictator.

There is simply no excuse for supporting or liking Fidel Castro in any way. Look at his record. He is a terrible dictator.

But he looks cool on tee shirts. If we get rid of all the dictators then what will students wear to look cool? :confused:

But he looks cool on tee shirts. If we get rid of all the dictators then what will students wear to look cool? :confused:
haha indeed.:D

I always thought if they ran out of Che guevera they could have Stalin shirts.

http://www.lowculture.com/archives/images/reagan-shirtfront.jpg

thats what I have.

But he looks cool on tee shirts. If we get rid of all the dictators then what will students wear to look cool? :confused:

They still wear (cli)Che Guevera shirts and he's dead. Martyrs are even better to look cool.

haha indeed.:D

I always thought if they ran out of Che guevera they could have Stalin shirts.

http://www.lowculture.com/archives/images/reagan-shirtfront.jpg

thats what I have.

So you like wearing dictators on your T-shirts too? :p

They still wear (cli)Che Guevera shirts and he's dead. Martyrs are even better to look cool.

True, I just think it's bad form to wish harm on anyone with such impressive facial hair. The man has a beard you could lose a badger in :p

They still wear (cli)Che Guevera shirts and he's dead. Martyrs are even better to look cool.

Che Guevera is a martyr just the way Eichmann is a martyr....oh, only communism killed more people than the Nazis ever dreamed of killing.

So you like wearing dictators on your T-shirts too? :p
yeah, dictators of America that win 49 states in the 1984 election :D

Che Guevera is a martyr just the way Eichmann is a martyr....oh, only communism killed more people than the Nazis ever dreamed of killing.

We're going to have to introduce you to a concept called sarcasm.... We use it a lot around here. :)

We're going to have to introduce you to a concept called sarcasm.... We use it a lot around here. :)

yeah I got that you were sarcastic...but it really does bug me when people wear those che guevera shirts. Its pretty disturbing. ;)

time to bring out the embarrassing photos:

http://www.trinity.edu/jdunn/images/YoungWorldLeaders/castro1.bmp

a young Castro + 40 tonnes of crude oil (oddly enough no baby pictures Castro is clearly a smart man indeed)

yeah, dictators of America that win 49 states in the 1984 election :D

The German people voted Hitler into office (twice!) too you know. :p

...

I just godwinned myself again, didn't I. :headbang:

http://varifrank.com/images/castro_falls3.jpg


my favorite photo of Castro ( yes this really happened)

:)

Che Guevera is a martyr just the way Eichmann is a martyr....oh, only communism killed more people than the Nazis ever dreamed of killing.

AFAIK Che was a Marxist and not a communist.

yeah I got that you were sarcastic...but it really does bug me when people wear those che guevera shirts. Its pretty disturbing. ;)

If it's any consolation, most of them have no idea what they are wearing, so they just wear them because Communism is "Against the man" and therefore cool.

That's why you see KGB and CCCP T-shirts as well.

yeah I know, so many people got on boats in Miami to run to Cuba to escape the tyranny of Ronald Reagan. Just like in Scarface....oh...wait.:D

AFAIK Che was a Marxist and not a communist.
Just like Bush is a Republican....not a Conservative. Two pieces of the same pie.

If it's any consolation, most of them have no idea what they are wearing, so they just wear them because Communism is "Against the man" and therefore cool.

That's why you see KGB and CCCP T-shirts as well.

Yeah I know, point taken. I just find it ironic. Communism as a concept was responsible for far more deaths around the World then Nazism. Yet who gets in trouble at a school...a kid with a swastica on his shirt, or a kid with the CCCP shirts. I find it ironic. Sort of disturbing too. People are sort of dumb I guess.

Just like Bush is a Republican....not a Conservative. Two pieces of the same pie.

No...just no. Thats kind of like saying that Republicans and Democrates are the same because they agree on some things.

http://www.vheadline.com/graf/Cisneros_Castro_01.jpg

is it me or is there a cover-up going on here that couldn't be Gustavo Cisneros could it :D

Yeah I know, point taken. I just find it ironic. Communism as a concept was responsible for far more deaths around the World then Nazism. Yet who gets in trouble at a school...a kid with a swastica on his shirt, or a kid with the CCCP shirts. I find it ironic. Sort of disturbing too. People are sort of dumb I guess.

For the most part the Western World feels a much deeper sense of guilt and responsibility for Hitler than we do for Communism. This may be because we didn't act sooner, or because we know that there are things we could have done to prevent his rise in the first place, but for whatever reason, we have a much greater fear and hate of Nazism.

It could just be the racism side of things. After all, the commies beleived in equality. Everyone got their chance to be ruthlessly slaughtered.

Yeah I know, point taken. I just find it ironic. Communism as a concept was responsible for far more deaths around the World then Nazism. Yet who gets in trouble at a school...a kid with a swastica on his shirt, or a kid with the CCCP shirts. I find it ironic. Sort of disturbing too. People are sort of dumb I guess.

I think it comes from the fact that not many people think the hammer and sickle is offensive also the fact that communism isn't so much about hate (I said so much)

No...just no. Thats kind of like saying that Republicans and Democrates are the same because they agree on some things.
No Republicans and Democrats have opposing ideologies. Marxism came from communism the same way the Republican party comes from conservatism. Not that I would compare the two, being that communism is an ideology of mass death, that destroys economies and lives.

No Republicans and Democrats have opposing ideologies. Marxism came from communism the same way the Republican party comes from conservatism. Not that I would compare the two, being that communism is an ideology of mass death, that destroys economies and lives.

No, communism came from marxism. The writings of Karl Marx? Ringing any bells?

For the most part the Western World feels a much deeper sense of guilt and responsibility for Hitler than we do for Communism. This may be because we didn't act sooner, or because we know that there are things we could have done to prevent his rise in the first place, but for whatever reason, we have a much greater fear and hate of Nazism.

It could just be the racism side of things. After all, the commies beleived in equality. Everyone got their chance to be ruthlessly slaughtered.

yeah....so our hate is because of our own guilt. I don't know, I would feel alot more guilty of allowing communism to come about as it did. Tens of millions dead. Equal oppurtunity slaughter, though, to be sure.

I think it comes from the fact that not many people think the hammer and sickle is offensive also the fact that communism isn't so much about hate (I said so much)


so killing tens of millions out of a semi-hateful dumb ideology is better than killing less than 10 million out of a racist and hateful ideology? That just does not make sense, I guess people really don't have their cards stacked right. I mean, the worst slaughter, mass starvation, and mass human rights abuse ever performed by governments was that of communist states in the 20th century. There is no way around it. Yet if I am teaching a history class and some kid wheres the symbol of that slaughter into my class....I cannot force him to take it off? I don't know, thats bad.

No, communism came from marxism. The writings of Karl Marx? Ringing any bells?

well now you are getting at the root of what I am talking about. They are one and the same. Marx wrote the communist manifesto after all.

well now you are getting at the root of what I am talking about. They are one and the same. Marx wrote the communist manifesto after all.

And what you saw in countries such as Soviet Russia and Maoist China betrayed the spirit of his writings. Marxism =/= what is recognised as communism in the modern world.

SNIP

ah but communism never really went out to kill all those people well okay maybe a few...million but still for the most part it just sort of happened out of incompetence and a low value of human life

And what you saw in countries such as Soviet Russia and Maoist China betrayed the spirit of his writings. Marxism =/= what is recognised as communism in the modern world.

yes, and that explains the close alliance with Soviet Russia, the inprisonment of political opponents of the regime, and concentration camps for others....give me a break. Gueverra and Castro are part of the same brutal network that we took down in the Cold war. They are a last reminder of this brutal by-gone era. I can only hope the old bastard dies and the Cuban people elect a free government that lets them earn real money and make economic progress...out of the shanty-town and into the first world.

ah but communism never really went out to kill all those people well okay maybe a few...million but still for the most part it just sort of happened out of incompetence and a low value of human life

The systematic starvation of the five year plans and the "cultural revolution" showed that communists were even worse than Nazis as far as systematic mass death by government designs go.

yes, and that explains the close alliance with Soviet Russia, the inprisonment of political opponents of the regime, and concentration camps for others....give me a break. Gueverra and Castro are part of the same brutal network that we took down in the Cold war. They are a last reminder of this brutal by-gone era. I can only hope the old bastard dies and the Cuban people elect a free government that lets them earn real money and make economic progress...out of the shanty-town and into the first world.

You do know that Che opposed the Soviet Union right?

You do know that Che opposed the Soviet Union right?
yeah, he only aided and helped establish the regime that served as a key base for the Soviets in their plot of global domination. He also wanted to spread marxism across the globe and by doing so destroy the world economy. Talk about starvation deaths. Thank God he did not get his way. He was not a good person.

yeah, he only aided and helped establish the regime that served as a key base for the Soviets in their plot of global domination. He also wanted to spread marxism across the globe and by doing so destroy the world economy. Talk about starvation deaths. Thank God he did not get his way. He was not a good person.

Hang on...he tried to spread his idealogy across the world, sometimes by force? That sound familiar, I'm sure someone else is doing that right now. If only I could put my finger on his name.

Edit: Anyway, I thought you said that you had to go do something when you left the Indian Rape thread. It seems like you've not stopped posting since, a more cynical person might think that you were just running away from a thread where you where getting your arse handed to you.

Well Castro, you're 80. You've survived so far:

The Cuban revolution. (And bagged yourself a country for life)

The Cold War. (Along with the rest of the world)

The Miami Cubans i.e Bay of Pigs (Er... Didn't have to strain yourself then eh?)

Several CIA assassination attempts. (Exploding Cigar included)

Your own party. (A few purges here and there work wonders)

Your own population. (Surprisingly)

The USA. (You're like an itch they can't scratch)

Life in general. (What's your secret?)

Fidel Castro: Infuriating the USA one day at a time.


Enjoy your birthday while it lasts Mr Castro. Then kindly keel over and let the people insurrect the hell out of Raul. They deserve better. (Although I must admit you were onto something with national health care)

Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday dear Castro,
Happy birthday to you.

Wonder what his birthday wish would be?

Hang on...he tried to spread his idealogy across the world, sometimes by force? That sound familiar, I'm sure someone else is doing that right now. If only I could put my finger on his name.

ah so now you are in the business of comparing democracy and free elections to that of communism.....we decided this in a little thing called the cold war. Now not that I am placing a value judgement...hehe.

Edit: Anyway, I thought you said that you had to go do something when you left the Indian Rape thread. It seems like you've not stopped posting since, a more cynical person might think that you were just running away from a thread where you where getting your arse handed to you.


I had to drain my swimming pool, take a shower, walk 3 dogs, eat some lunch, and call my father...all of which I did....so I really don't understand what you are talking about. I was gone for less time than I expected but it had to be a good 45 minutes.

Well Castro, you're 80. You've survived so far:

The Cuban revolution. (And bagged yourself a country for life)

The Cold War. (Along with the rest of the world)

The Miami Cubans i.e Bay of Pigs (Er... Didn't have to strain yourself then eh?)

Several CIA assassination attempts. (Exploding Cigar included)

Your own party. (A few purges here and there work wonders)

Your own population. (Surprisingly)

The USA. (You're like an itch they can't scratch)

Life in general. (What's your secret?)

Fidel Castro: Infuriating the USA one day at a time.


Enjoy your birthday while it lasts Mr Castro. Then kindly keel over and let the people insurrect the hell out of Raul. They deserve better. (Although I must admit you were onto something with national health care)

Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday to you,
Happy birthday dear Castro,
Happy birthday to you.

Wonder what his birthday wish would be?
well said! I think his birthday wish should be to stop bleeding out of his arse.

ah so now you are in the business of comparing democracy and free elections to that of communism.....we decided this in a little thing called the cold war. Now not that I am placing a value judgement...hehe.

Ahh yes, the free election in Afghanistan and Iraq were brought about by peaceful means weren't they? You are either stupid or being deliberatly obtuse, I was obviously comparing the methods and not the ideologies weilding them.

Ahh yes, the free election in Afghanistan and Iraq were brought about by peaceful means weren't they? You are either stupid or being deliberatly obtuse, I was obviously comparing the methods and not the ideologies weilding them.
I never claimed they were peaceful. Show me where I did? Now you are calling me silly names for somthing that I did not say. Well, if you were comparing the methods.....I would suggest that you examine the difference between the two ideologies. The best way to do this is to hang around Miami for a month and see if there are more boats arriving...or departing....
Che Gueverra fought to take away the right of people to make the most of their lives. A business community without private sector leadership is always a failure and he must have known that....just look at the five year plans. Communism is merely a pipe dream of a front to create anarchy so that a dictator like Stalin or Castro can swoop in. I always thought that it was staggeringly obvious.

so killing tens of millions out of a semi-hateful dumb ideology is better than killing less than 10 million out of a racist and hateful ideology? That just does not make sense, I guess people really don't have their cards stacked right. I mean, the worst slaughter, mass starvation, and mass human rights abuse ever performed by governments was that of communist states in the 20th century. There is no way around it. Yet if I am teaching a history class and some kid wheres the symbol of that slaughter into my class....I cannot force him to take it off? I don't know, thats bad.

But you ignore that all of that happened under Stalin, and not under any other Soviet rulers.

But you ignore that all of that happened under Stalin, and not under any other Soviet rulers.
you are right, I should not ignore other deaths that occured because of communist policies:
The Soviet Union: 20 million victims
China: 65 million
Vietnam: 1 million
North Korea: 2 million
Cambodia: 2 million
Eastern Europe: 1 million
Latin America: 150,000
Africa: 1.7 million
Afghanistan: 1.5 million

thanks for reminding me.

yeah....so our hate is because of our own guilt. I don't know, I would feel alot more guilty of allowing communism to come about as it did. Tens of millions dead. Equal oppurtunity slaughter, though, to be sure.

The thing is that we don't feel as if our actions somehow allowed Communism to rise (whether or not they did is irrelevant, since logic and emotion don't coexist well). We see ourselves as it's natural enemy, and therefore blameless in it's purges. Nazism on the other hand, we see our guilt in. Our own guilt drives us to push it as far from our culture as possible to the point where it becomes an object of hate and fear. As a whole it just strikes closer to home.

It's also fair to point out that Commies had a hell of a lot more opportunity to kill people than did Nazis, and that if the two groups had existed in the same places at the same times, the Nazis would have won hands down.

The thing is that we don't feel as if our actions somehow allowed Communism to rise (whether or not they did is irrelevant, since logic and emotion don't coexist well). We see ourselves as it's natural enemy, and therefore blameless in it's purges. Nazism on the other hand, we see our guilt in. Our own guilt drives us to push it as far from our culture as possible to the point where it becomes an object of hate and fear. As a whole it just strikes closer to home.

It's also fair to point out that Commies had a hell of a lot more opportunity to kill people than did Nazis, and that if the two groups had existed in the same places at the same times, the Nazis would have won hands down.

yet the record of my last post stands as a reminder that our fear and loathing may be misplaced.

I never claimed they were peaceful.

You implyed that the way in which the US is currently exporting its belief system around the world is less distasteful than the way Che did it. I way pointing out that you were wrong. You never claimed the method was peaceful, the questioning nature of my post was meant to imply that I was questioning the belief at the basis of your assertation rather than anything else.

Now you are calling me silly names for somthing that I did not say.

No, I'm calling you dense or obtuse because you seem to answer the point you think I'm making rather than reading what I've written. Thank you for amking my point for me.

Well, if you were comparing the methods.....I would suggest that you examine the difference between the two ideologies. The best way to do this is to hang around Miami for a month and see if there are more boats arriving...or departing....

And if you could point out the relevance this has to the method used by governments to export belief systems?

Che Gueverra fought to take away the right of people to make the most of their lives. A business community without private sector leadership is always a failure and he must have known that....just look at the five year plans.

I've never seen one of Che's 5 year plans and I can't find one on google. Could you link to one please?

Communism is merely a pipe dream of a front to create anarchy so that a dictator like Stalin or Castro can swoop in. I always thought that it was staggeringly obvious.

Conservatism is merely a pipe dream of a front to create a ridgedly ordered economic hierarchy so that the already rich can keep the poor in their place, using the promise that one day they to my be rich as an anesthetic, numbing the masses to the fact that where they are now is going to be their lot in life regardless of hard work. I always thought that it was staggeringly obvious.

Two can have fun like that.

yet the record of my last post stands as a reminder that our fear and loathing may be misplaced.

Loathing: hell yes.

Fear? Not really. Unlike Nazism, it's hard to see a situation in which the USA falls to communism.

well said! I think his birthday wish should be to stop bleeding out of his arse.

Really? I would hope it would be something more noble like:

"I wish for Communist World Peace."

OR

"I wish all the children of the world to be happy communists."

OR

"I wish people would stop hovering over my bed like this. I'M NOT DEAD YET!"

OR MAYBE JUST

"I wish the bleeding of my backside would stop!"

You implyed that the way in which the US is currently exporting its belief system around the world is less distasteful than the way Che did it. I way pointing out that you were wrong. You never claimed the method was peaceful, the questioning nature of my post was meant to imply that I was questioning the belief at the basis of your assertation rather than anything else.no go back and read what you did. You tried to pull a fast one and I got you.



No, I'm calling you dense or obtuse because you seem to answer the point you think I'm making rather than reading what I've written.
once again...


And if you could point out the relevance this has to the method used by governments to export belief systems?
some belief systems liberate people by giving them somthing else than dictatorship , others merely deconstruct civilization so that anarchy can occur and a dictator can take over. The later is communism.


I've never seen one of Che's 5 year plans and I can't find one on google. Could you link to one please?
yeah...he only fought to put a regime in place that would be a close associate of the most brutal regime in history. well done che.


Conservatism is merely a pipe dream of a front to create a ridgedly ordered economic hierarchy so that the already rich can keep the poor in their place, using the promise that one day they to my be rich as an anesthetic, numbing the masses to the fact that where they are now is going to be their lot in life regardless of hard work. I always thought that it was staggeringly obvious.

Two can have fun like that.

Only if you assume that my point on the communist pipe dream of a front has slaughtered millions around the world, while Conservatism and the free market has built the most powerful economic force, that has helped the most people around the world...ever....America. Slightly different. And if you dare compare the evil murderous ideology of communism with that of Conservatism again I will challange you to a duel.

I've never seen one of Che's 5 year plans and I can't find one on google. Could you link to one please?

How about his time as the man in charge of executing dissidents in Cuba? Does that work for you?

I can't beleive I'm siding with a Conservative... :eek:

How about his time as the man in charge of executing dissidents in Cuba? Does that work for you?

I can't beleive I'm siding with a Conservative... :eek:

Barry told me to read his 5 year plan. I'm asking for it. His time executing prisoners has no bearing whatsoever on a document I've not seen any evidnece he ever wrote.

How about his time as the man in charge of executing dissidents in Cuba? Does that work for you?

I can't beleive I'm siding with a Conservative... :eek:

Hey, when it comes to opposing communism even Carter and Reagan were on the same page in principal.:D

Hey, when it comes to opposing communism even Carter and Reagan were on the same page in principal.:D

Did you have to pick Carter? You could have at least picked someone more effective than Carter... JFK or Truman or something. ;)

Did you have to pick Carter? You could have at least picked someone more effective than Carter... JFK or Truman or something. ;)

well....John Kennedy sounds like a perfect example. The don't make them like they used to though.....he was a liberal hawk.

Hey, when it comes to opposing communism even Carter and Reagan were on the same page in principal.:D

Indeed. Carter was quite enthusiastic in supporting terrorists and mass murderers in Guatemala, as was Reagan both there and elsewhere.

no go back and read what you did. You tried to pull a fast one and I got you.

can you please show me were I said that you'd claim the US's methods were peaceful? Just so I never do it again by mistake you understand.

some belief systems liberate people by giving them somthing else than dictatorship , others merely deconstruct civilization so that anarchy can occur and a dictator can take over. The later is communism.

And again I ask you to show what relevance this has on the way governments export their systems. You are describing internal politics rather than foreign policy.

yeah...he only fought to put a regime in place that would be a close associate of the most brutal regime in history. well done che.

And the document? I assume that since you brought it up that you have a copy? Or have at least read it?

Only if you assume that my point on the communist pipe dream of a front has slaughtered millions around the world, while Conservatism and the free market has built the most powerful economic force, that has helped the most people around the world...ever....America. Slightly different. And if you dare compare the evil murderous ideology of communism with that of Conservatism again I will challange you to a duel.

:rolleyes:

Indeed. Carter was quite enthusiastic in supporting terrorists and mass murderers in Guatemala, as was Reagan both there and elsewhere.

Hey nothing is better than the creation of murderous tyranical governments to prevent the rise of murderous tyranical governments...

can you please show me were I said that you'd claim the US's methods were peaceful? Just so I never do it again by mistake you understand.
"Ahh yes, the free election in Afghanistan and Iraq were brought about by peaceful means weren't they? You are either stupid or being deliberatly obtuse"


And again I ask you to show what relevance this has on the way governments export their systems. You are describing internal politics rather than foreign policy.
one is a policy that helps people live in freedom and the other is an ideology of mass death...one is acceptable to spread..the other is not


And the document? I assume that since you brought it up that you have a copy? Or have at least read it?



:rolleyes: hmmm

I find it highly disturbing that in a thread about Castro I am the only one who will say that he is a bad leader who the world would be better off without. I have heard you all talk about Stalin, marx, Reagan, Bush, and so on...but you are all veering away from the central issue that is the only truely...relavent one...that Castro is a bad person and a bad dictator. Am I alone on this?

I find it highly disturbing that in a thread about Castro I am the only one who will say that he is a bad leader who the world would be better off without. I have heard you all talk about Stalin, marx, Reagan, Bush, and so on...but you are all veering away from the central issue that is the only truely...relavent one...that Castro is a bad person and a bad dictator. Am I alone on this?


Well, I wished him a happy birthday and a full recovery from this embarassing condition since it's his birthday, but I agree with you that he'd be better off dead.

Funny how topics can veer off course eh?

"Ahh yes, the free election in Afghanistan and Iraq were brought about by peaceful means weren't they? You are either stupid or being deliberatly obtuse"

Way to chop off half a sentence and change the meaning of my post. Intellectual honesty is so refreshing, shame about the lack of it in your responses.

one is a policy that helps people live in freedom and the other is an ideology of mass death...one is acceptable to spread..the other is not

Again, we were dicussing the methods used by governments to spread their ideology, not the ideology itself. You can't seem to give a straight answer.

And the document? I assume that since you brought it up that you have a copy? Or have at least read it?

As much as I hate to quote myself you still haven't aswered this question. Can you link to a copy of Ches' 5 year plan? Either provide a link or admit you were communicating via your posterior.


Oh, answering points by bolding within a qoute makes you're posts difficult to respond to.

Hey nothing is better than the creation of murderous tyranical governments to prevent the rise of murderous tyranical governments...

More like to "prevent the rise" of social systems that might actually give a damn about the poor and the powerless. What "murderous tyrannical government" did Jacobo Arbenz lead?

Well, I wished him a happy birthday and a full recovery from this embarassing condition since it's his birthday, but I agree with you that he'd be better off dead.

Funny how topics can veer off course eh?

:D yeah.

Again, we were dicussing the methods used by governments to spread their ideology, not the ideology itself. You can't seem to give a straight answer.



As much as I hate to quote myself you still haven't aswered this question. Can you link to a copy of Ches' 5 year plan? Either provide a link or admit you were communicating via your posterior.




I never said he had a 5 year plan. You made that part up. What a waste of time you are conducting. Nothing to say about Castro I see? You must be another sympathizer. Some boo hooing about free health care perhaps?

I would wish Fidel Castro a happy 80th birthday and a full recovery even were he, say, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, or Ronald Reagan, so independently of the advantages and disadvantages of authoritarian statist pseudosocialism as practiced in Cuba, I voted for the first option.

More like to "prevent the rise" of social systems that might actually give a damn about the poor and the powerless. What "murderous tyrannical government" did Jacobo Arbenz lead?


well lets see.....in the US people make an average of 12 times as much as people do in Cuba. Our poverty line is nearly 6 times their average income. Talk about giving a damn about the poor.

I never said he had a 5 year plan. You made that part up. What a waste of time you are conducting. Nothing to say about Castro I see? You must be another sympathizer. Some boo hooing about free health care perhaps?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11536356&postcount=110

See the bit about 5 year plannage?

Why would I have anthing to say about Castro? I though we were discussing Che.

I would wish Fidel Castro a happy 80th birthday and a full recovery even were he, say, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, or Ronald Reagan, so independently of the advantages and disadvantages of authoritarian statist pseudosocialism as practiced in Cuba, I voted for the first option.

advantages? LOL...what "advantages"?

well lets see.....in the US people make an average of 12 times as much as people do in Cuba. Our poverty line is nearly 6 times their average income. Talk about giving a damn about the poor.

Do you always completely miss the context of posts?

advantages? LOL...what "advantages"?

By Latin American standards, a low infant mortality rate, near-universal literacy, a decent education system, a decent health care system, and high life expectancy.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11536356&postcount=110

See the bit about 5 year plannage?

Why would I have anthing to say about Castro? I though we were discussing Che.

We're either singing happy birthday to Castro, or spitting at our computer screens in disgust. No Che Guevara, Iraq, Stalin, Afghanistan, Cold War, Bush, etcetera etcetera.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11536356&postcount=110

See the bit about 5 year plannage?

Why would I have anthing to say about Castro? I though we were discussing Che.

"Che Gueverra fought to take away the right of people to make the most of their lives. A business community without private sector leadership is always a failure and he must have known that....just look at the five year plans."

you see I was referring to the only five year plans that a history major would be talking about...that of the Soviet Union ( duh?). Che never had five year plans. I was pointing out that he must have known that a business community without private sector leadership is always a failure because of the five year plans in Russia. That was obvious....I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I thought that Che was Stalin or somthing.

bw, this little side track is pointless and I say we end it. You have avoided talking about Castro wheras I keep bringing him up over and over only to be ignored. He is a bad man.

We're either singing happy birthday to Castro, or spitting at our computer screens in disgust. No Che Guevara, Iraq, Stalin, Afghanistan, Cold War, Bush, etcetera etcetera.

We're 10 pages in. Do you think that the OP has the slightest relevence anymore?

We're 10 pages in. Do you think that the OP has the slightest relevence anymore?


I suppose as far as NationStates goes, I suppose you're right. Although it would be nice if we could get back on track with the Castro-oriented posting.

you see I was referring to the only five year plans that a history major would be talking about...that of the Soviet Union ( duh?). Che never had five year plans. I was pointing out that he must have known that a business community without private sector leadership is always a failure because of the five year plans in Russia. That was obvious....I don't know how you came to the conclusion that I thought that Che was Stalin or somthing.

Ah, I thought you might have read something I hadn't.

On the suject of 5 year plans, you should probably reasses the quality of your education, I can think of 3 other off the top of my head.

bw, this little side track is pointless and I say we end it. You have avoided talking about Castro wheras I keep bringing him up over and over only to be ignored. He is a bad man.

I gave you my opinion on Castro

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11536003&postcount=76

By Latin American standards, a low infant mortality rate, near-universal literacy, a decent education system, a decent health care system, and high life expectancy.

what good does Latin American standards do? You get to be born, know how to read, have healthcare, and live a while....but you do it within this context.
an average national income of $291 per month (ouch)
repression of dissents
severely restricted human rights
massive political prisons
restriction of worker's unions
little religious freedom
barred human rights monitering
From 1991 through 1997, the U.N. Human Rights Commission approved annual U.S.-backed resolutions condemning human rights violations in Cuba
no free elections
no free speech
no chance to make it rich

and yet some find ways to support Castro. They should read this:
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/cuba/Cuba996-01.htm#P355_13934

I gave you my opinion on Castro

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11536003&postcount=76
you gave some comment on his beard.....in order to divert from his horrific record.

Ah, I thought you might have read something I hadn't.

On the suject of 5 year plans, you should probably reasses the quality of your education, I can think of 3 other off the top of my head.



I gave you my opinion on Castro

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11536003&postcount=76

Would you mind telling us about these other five year plans if they're so fresh in your mind?

Why does it really matter? Anyone like Fidel is sure to live, not just to 80, but to 800, or maybe even 8,000.

Happy birthday Mr. Castro. May you outlive/oppose/ignore more U.S. presidents. *bakes a cake*

Why does it really matter? Anyone like Fidel is sure to live, not just to 80, but to 800, or maybe even 8,000.

Happy birthday Mr. Castro. May you outlive/oppose/ignore more U.S. presidents. *bakes a cake*


Here Here!

you gave some comment on his beard.....in order to divert from his horrific record.

And that is my opinion. I wish him happy birthday and think that anyone who wishes pain or death on another regardless of provocation is scum. Is that clear enough?

Why does it really matter? Anyone like Fidel is sure to live, not just to 80, but to 800, or maybe even 8,000.

Happy birthday Mr. Castro. May you outlive/oppose/ignore more U.S. presidents. *bakes a cake*

why are you so intent on damning the Cuban people in such a way? Did it ever occur to you that those US presidents preside over a system of free elections, a human rights based Constitution, and an economic system that gives us..on average 12 times as much money as the average Cuban.? I hope that cake has plasric explosive in it.

Here Here!
Thats why all of the boat people are running to Cuba from the evil American regime right? hehehe.

Would you mind telling us about these other five year plans if they're so fresh in your mind?

Vietnam, Nepal, India.

The specifics escape me but google is your friend and I'm sure they'll be on wiki.

And that is my opinion. I wish him happy birthday and think that anyone who wishes pain or death on another regardless of provocation is scum. Is that clear enough?

The allied scum of Normandy beach would like a word with you. You are clearly crazy.

Vietnam, Nepal, India.

The specifics escape me but google is your friend and I'm sure they'll be on wiki.

the specifics of the horrors of Castro's regime also escape you.

why are you so intent on damning the Cuban people in such a way? Did it ever occur to you that those US presidents preside over a system of free elections, a human rights based Constitution, and an economic system that gives us..on average 12 times as much money as the average Cuban.? I hope that cake has plasric explosive in it.

I'm not going to get into this, but using the indicators of a successful country (rich-poor divide, infant mortality, growth of disease, availablity of clean drinking water/food, etc.) Cuba far outranks to U.S.. Sorry.

@SS, Thank you. *bows, while winking and baking another cake for Fidel*

the specifics of the horrors of Castro's regime also escape you.

No they realy don't. I just seem to have a greater respect for the sanctity of human life than you do.

In this case I think that Castros death will probably cause upheaval and disruption within Cuba, leading to worse conditions in the short term but it will open the way for a more moderate government to take his place.

The difference between me and you is that I'm not sat at my keyboard touching my special place thinking about the death of a man.

I'm not going to get into this, but using the indicators of a successful country (rich-poor divide, infant mortality, growth of disease, availablity of clean drinking water/food, etc.) Cuba far outranks to U.S.. Sorry.

@SS, Thank you. *bows, while winking and baking another cake for Fidel*

Source your claim on the rich poor divide...being that the average income in Cuba is $3500 per year...you might be hard pressed.

Infant mortality is the same in our two nations...neither beats the other
source growth of disease
source on clean drinking water
source on clean food

I always thought the clear indicators were GDP, a stable government that was elected, and the percent of people in poverty. Where would you want to live, Cuba or the USA. Which way are the refugee boats going in the Gulf? You must be sarcastic or somthing.

No they realy don't. I just seem to have a greater respect for the sanctity of human life than you do.

In this case I think that Castros death will probably cause upheaval and disruption within Cuba, leading to worse conditions in the short term but it will open the way for a more moderate government to take his place.

The difference between me and you is that I'm not sat at my keyboard touching my special place thinking about the death of a man.

No, you are a weakling on defense....as you called the men of Normandy beach scum a moment ago. That is the difference between us. You are only capable of defending a dictator. I guess if it was up to you Saddam would still be in power too.

Basically, I applaude Fidel's "pro's" e.g National Health Care, Literacy rate and other areas where his country excels, however these things are outweighed by the "cons" of Fidel such as restriction of political, religious and personal freedoms as well as the ignoration of basic human rights.

Don't get me wrong though, I don't trust those Miami Cubans neither.

The people of Cuba would be served better by a different and democratic government. Hopefully the timely and natural death of Castro will result in this.

No, you are a weakling on defense....as you called the men of Normandy beach scum a moment ago. That is the difference between us. You are only capable of defending a dictator. I guess if it was up to you Saddam would still be in power too.

When did I call the men on Normandy beaches scum? I'd like a link to the post where I said it please.

As you don't actually know anything about me I'll let the weakling on defence thing slide for now.

I'd also like a link to the post where I defended Castro or his action please.

Just for the record, its "Ernesto Guevara" aka Che Guevara".

Not guevera nor guevarra nor gueverre.

Guevara.

Thank you for your atention.

Happy birthday, Fidel!

Happy birthday to you fidel, you crazy old man, you've done some good and some bad. You've been villified by your neighbours for years. You overthrew puppets of a capitalist state and created a country in your own image, causing pain and suffering but also creating the best healthcare in the world and having some of the highest educated people in it as well.
In the end, you are only human, mistakes have been made, people have been killed at your command, but so have they thrived. I wish you good health in the days to come, and when your time comes, may you pass in peace.

In the dictatorship nation of cuba, it is hard to know what is really going on.

By Anthony Boadle
1 hour, 6 minutes ago

HAVANA (Reuters) - Ailing Cuban leader Fidel Castro appeared in photographs published on Sunday to reassure Cubans he was still alive on his 80th birthday while his brother Raul made his first public appearance since becoming acting president.

Raul Castro met Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez with a military salute and a hug at the Havana airport. It was the Cuban defense minister's first appearance since his brother temporarily ceded power to him on July 31 due to surgery to stop intestinal bleeding.

Chavez, a leading ally, flew to Havana to mark the elder Castro's birthday and became the first foreign leader to see the ailing Castro, though he was not seen again after arrival.

The Communist youth newspaper Juventud Rebelde published what it said were current pictures of Fidel Castro, along with a cautious message attributed to the leader saying his condition had improved but that he was not out of the woods.

"I suggest you be optimistic and, at the same time, always prepared to receive bad news," he said, adding he faced a long recovery.

"To say the stability has improved considerably is not to tell a lie. To say that the period of recovery will be short and there is now no risk would be absolutely incorrect," Castro said in the message also posted on the youth daily's Web site (http://www.juventudrebelde.cu).

The photographs of Castro were the first visual evidence he was alive since he relinquished power to his younger brother.

The pictures showed Castro in a bedroom, wearing a track suit and sitting in a chair speaking on the telephone.

The four photographs of Castro, showing him from the waist up, included one of him holding a birthday supplement published by the Communist Party newspaper Granma on Saturday, an apparent move to show the pictures were current.

Venezuela's Presidential Press office issued a statement saying that Chavez "met this Sunday, August 13 with his Cuban counterpart Fidel Castro." The press release did not describe the meeting or comment on Castro's condition apart from repeating Castro's own statement.

RAUL THE MAN

Word that the "comandante" had reappeared and was on the mend came as a relief to many Cubans worried his death could create upheaval in one of the world's last Communist outposts.

"He looks good. His smile conveys calm and serenity," said Yasmin, a 21-year-old teacher. "If it is true the photos were taken after the operation, there is no reason to worry."

Others were more skeptical about the pictures and voiced concern at the message's cautious tone, their anxiety increased by the constant tributes to Castro, documentaries and old video being shown by government media, which they saw as evidence he might already be dead.

"If he is as good as he looks in the pictures, why hasn't he spoken on television?" said an electrician, who asked not to be named. "I think this is a montage."

Details of Castro's health are considered a state secret. It is not known what operation he underwent, nor whether he will be able to resume his government duties. Cuban officials have said the workaholic Castro will have to slow down if he is to recover.

Some in Cuba doubt whether the uncharismatic Raul Castro, 75, can handle his brother's job.

Sugar Minister Gen. Ulises Rosales del Toro, leading 500 workers doing an extra stint in a cane field outside Havana in homage to Fidel, defended Raul.

"Raul is the man with the qualities to lead the nation's destiny next to Fidel and when he is no longer with us," Rosales told reporters in the sweltering 95-degree Fahrenheit (35 C) heat.

Castro is the last of the key Cold War-era figures on the world stage and has survived 10 U.S. presidents, despite efforts to oust him. He also weathered the collapse of Cuba's benefactor, the Soviet Union.

In Miami's Little Havana neighborhood, restaurant patrons viewed the photos warily. One photo, showing Castro resting his chin on a closed fist, seemed to have been "posed to show strength and vigor," said a man who identified himself only as Seth.

(Additional reporting by Marc Frank in Havana, Michael Connor in Miami and Brian Ellsworth in Caracas)

I don't understand why you people like him. My grandfather's brother couldn't get out in time and was killed by the regime. My grandfather was almost killed twice by Castro. Castro took my grandfather's ranch where he lived with my grandmother and their son and which had been in his family since they had arrived in Cuba in the 1700's. Castro seized all their assets and they were lucky to escape the country alive. They were forced to start all over again in the United States. I have many friends in my hometown of Miami who were born in Cuba and could tell you about the rations and how little food they get. My former Karate instructor could tell you stories of how he used to have to catch cats and dogs and kill them for food so his family could subsist.

I am a Socialist and I am a Cuban, but I am not and never will be a supporter of Castro or his regime. he has done too much wrong in the name of this false revolution of his.

The only thing I got for fidel is http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/nuts.gif


I don't like him or what he has done to cuba.

The only thing I got for fidel is http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/nuts.gif


I don't like him or what he has done to cuba.
I should wonder you'd noticed. Weren't there any music videos or video games kicking around for you to enthuse yourself with?

I should wonder you'd noticed. Weren't there any music videos or video games kicking around for you to enthuse yourself with?


Don't you have anything better to do than flamebait me?

Don't you have anything better to do than flamebait me?
No, not really. Well, maybe. Then again, maybe not. Are you over the age of consent?

Tell you what, forget I asked.

No, not really. Well, maybe. Then again, maybe not. Are you over the age of consent?

Tell you what, forget I asked.


http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/byebye.gif


ooook. Pretending I never read that.......http://www.abestweb.com/smilies/escape.gif