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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208019,00.html

UNITED NATIONS — The U.N. Security Council adopted a resolution Friday that calls for an end to the war between Israel and Hezbollah, and authorizes 15,000 U.N. peacekeepers to help Lebanese troops take control of south Lebanon as Israel withdraws.

Hopefully it will do some good.

To paraphrase an Andrew Jackson quote:
"The UN has made its decision; now let them enforce it" :rolleyes:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,208019,00.html

UNITED NATIONS — The U.N. Security Council adopted a resolution Friday that calls for an end to the war between Israel and Hezbollah, and authorizes 15,000 U.N. peacekeepers to help Lebanese troops take control of south Lebanon as Israel withdraws.

Hopefully it will do some good.

Let me see here...15,000 UN peacekeepers who have the power to do ???? to help Lebnese troops who can't control Hezbollah...are to take control ????... I think we have been here before and Israel will have to go back again. :( :(

To paraphrase an Andrew Jackson quote:
"The UN has made its decision; now let them enforce it" :rolleyes:

Because the man who sent thousands of innocent Native Americans on a forced march to Oklahoma as part of his Ethnic Cleansing program is the perfect role model for international politics.

To paraphrase an Andrew Jackson quote:
"The UN has made its decision; now let them enforce it" :rolleyes:

Well, the head of the UN isn't called Coffee-cup Annan for no reason. :(

Let me see here...15,000 UN peacekeepers who have the power to do ????
That's not decided yet. They're leaving the option open to change the mandate.

As it is, it's a lot more soldiers, probably mainly from more developed countries who will be trying much harder. The public eye is on them.

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=19491&Cr=leban&Cr1=

I'm trying to find the actual text of the resolution they passed right now, see whether it says anything on the ROE. Can anybody help?

EDIT: Found it. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1701)
OP11. Decides, in order to supplement and enhance the force in numbers, equipment, mandate and scope of operations, to authorize an increase in the force strength of UNIFIL to a maximum of 15,000 troops, and that the force shall, in addition to carrying out its mandate under resolutions 425 and 426 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_425) (1978):
a. Monitor the cessation of hostilities;
b. Accompany and support the Lebanese armed forces as they deploy throughout the South, including along the Blue Line, as Israel withdraws its armed forces from Lebanon as provided in paragraph 2;
c. Coordinate its activities related to paragraph 11 (b) with the Government of Lebanon and the Government of Israel;
d. Extend its assistance to help ensure humanitarian access to civilian populations and the voluntary and safe return of displaced persons;
e. Assist the Lebanese armed forces in taking steps towards the establishment of the area as referred to in paragraph 8;
f. Assist the government of Lebanon, at its request, to implement paragraph 14;
OP12. Acting in support of a request from the government of Lebanon to deploy an international force to assist it to exercise its authority throughout the territory, authorizes UNIFIL to take all necessary action in areas of deployment of its forces and as it deems within its capabilities, to ensure that its area of operations is not utilized for hostile activities of any kind, to resist attempts by forceful means to prevent it from discharging its duties under the mandate of the Security Council, and to protect United Nations personnel, facilities, installations and equipment, ensure the security and freedom of movement of United Nations personnel, humanitarian workers, and, without prejudice to the responsibility of the government of Lebanon, to protect civilians under imminent threat of physical violence;
OP13. Requests the Secretary-General urgently to put in place measures to ensure UNIFIL is able to carry out the functions envisaged in this resolution, urges Member States to consider making appropriate contributions to UNIFIL and to respond positively to requests for assistance from the Force, and expresses its strong appreciation to those who have contributed to UNIFIL in the past;
OP14. Calls upon the Government of Lebanon to secure its borders and other entry points to prevent the entry in Lebanon without its consent of arms or related materiel and requests UNIFIL as authorized in paragraph 11 to assist the Government of Lebanon at its request;

To paraphrase an Andrew Jackson quote:
"The UN has made its decision; now let them enforce it" :rolleyes:

To quote frylock from ATHF
"we shoulda cloned twenties, Jackson wouldnta given a F!@k"

This is insanity. 100+ dead Israelis for what? To pull out and let those bastards at the UN sit around and beat off as Hizballah continues its attacks against Israel as its been doing. I LOVE UN resolutions that seek to implement their wishes on an organization that is not part of the UN itself.

All I have to say is Olmert is either saving face because he wants to show the world that Israel will make the most painful concessions to its own security to promote peace....or he's the biggest sucker since Rabin (may he rest in peace).

All in all though..we all now Hizballah isn't gonna be stopping their attacks anytime soon...so hopefully this resoltion won't take hold come Sunday and Israel can finish Hizballah off once and for all...and yes Israel haters...it is possible to decimate hizballah...once this resolution fails...(and IT WILL, because Hizballah is not going to be disarmed by any UN troops) Israel will have the opportunity to get in there and bomb these sons of bitches back to kingdom come.

100+ dead Israelis for what?
And what of the thousands of dead Jordanians? There are two sides in this conflict, both of which are willing to put civilians in harms way.
I fail to see any reason for a Floridian, or anyone else not directly involved, to side with either the IDF or Hezbollah.

And what of the thousands of dead Lebanese? There are two sides in this conflict, both of which are willing to put civilians in harms way.
I fail to see any reason for a Floridian, or anyone else not directly involved, to side with either the IDF or Hezbollah.most US citizens tend to side wit Israel...
Why they do it?
its a mistery
:confused: :confused: :confused:

And what of the thousands of dead Jordanians? There are two sides in this conflict, both of which are willing to put civilians in harms way.
I fail to see any reason for a Floridian, or anyone else not directly involved, to side with either the IDF or Hezbollah.


Dead Jordanians? I think you're talking about a different conflict. Israel doesn't put civilians in harms way, Hizballah does. They hide amongst them, and they don't allow people to leave. They fire rockets from civilian neighborhoods, and when civilians are killed, they parade them around for the foreign press to see. Israel is getting attacked by Hizballah from civilian neighborhoods from behind humman shields...If Israel doesn't respond, than Israel is basically giving Hizballah the "ok" to go and kill Israelis (but Nasrallah will be sure to apologize for killing Arabs, and not Jews)

I am a Floridian that believes in freedom and democracy and that a country has a right to defend itselffrom unwarranted aggression and killing. That's a damn good reason to support Israel.

I am also a Jew...and I support the Jewish state. Half my family alo lives in Israel...another damn good reason to support ISRAEL.

I'm not sure why you said Hizballah and the IDF...the IDF isn't a rogue terror entity..they are a legitimate army fighting a terror group.

most US citizens tend to side wit Israel... maybe its the Holcaust week at school..when they are kids :confused: :confused: :confused:


Not quite sure what you mean by that OD

Not quite sure what you mean by that ODI edited my post.. because I just remembered that some European schools do have Holocaust Day/week too.

Because the man who sent thousands of innocent Native Americans on a forced march to Oklahoma as part of his Ethnic Cleansing program is the perfect role model for international politics.
Not sure whether you picked up on this or not, but the comment and quote relate to how the UN lacks the ability/refuses to enforce its own resolutions (Court makes decision that Indians can keep their land; Jackson refuses enforcing it).

And what of the thousands of dead Jordanians? There are two sides in this conflict, both of which are willing to put civilians in harms way.
I fail to see any reason for a Floridian, or anyone else not directly involved, to side with either the IDF or Hezbollah.

Thousands of dead Jordanians...:confused:

Jordanians... ??He meant to say Lebanese..
mystakes happen.

and yet both sides are still attacking each other...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4786041.stm

and yet both sides are still attacking each other...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4786041.stm

The Israeli Security Cabinet has not yet approved the Cease-Fire and neither has the Lebanonese Cabinet which has two people from Hezbollah on it.

The Israeli Security Cabinet has not yet approved the Cease-Fire and neither has the Lebanonese Cabinet which has two people from Hezbollah on it.

Well I can understand Isreal 'approving' it....but not the Leb Gov...surely that is down to Hiz as an organisation...rather than the Leb Gov with Hez representatives?

I was rather hoping (forlorn I know) that both sides might have taken it upon themselves to cease their activities...

Ah well...

At last the rest of the world has decided to do something, and it conceeds nothing to either side in the process. Good on them. Now let's go do it.

Well I can understand Isreal 'approving' it....but not the Leb Gov...surely that is down to Hiz as an organisation...rather than the Leb Gov with Hez representatives?

Since this crisis deals has Lebanon right in the middle of it and since Hezbollah is indeed a political entity, it behooves them to actually approve of it since they will be deploying their troops to help disarm the Hezbollah militia.

I was rather hoping (forlorn I know) that both sides might have taken it upon themselves to cease their activities...

Ah well...

In this case, the cease-fire has to be approved by the Israeli Cabinet as they authorized expanding the ground war before this resolution passed.

Since this crisis deals has Lebanon right in the middle of it and since Hezbollah is indeed a political entity, it behooves them to actually approve of it since they will be deploying their troops to help disarm the Hezbollah militia.



In this case, the cease-fire has to be approved by the Israeli Cabinet as they authorized expanding the ground war before this resolution passed.

Hmmm I thought it was to be the UN policing that...? Or have I missed something?

The second point...yes I know that....I was just expressing a hope that they (both sides) could been able to position themselves to be 'proactive'...

I know that reality dictates otherwise... but it would have been good to be surprised....its not as if it would have hurt either side...of course both sides are so suspicious of each other that there is 0 trust...

gah....sometimes I wonder if the nuke the region people are on to something...

... disarm the Hezbollah militia.:rolleyes: the UN will disarm Hezbollah??:rolleyes: really?

If the UN promised you that.. they are selling you a bridge.

Israel Army has tried to disarm Hezbollah for some 18 years.. and they (IDF) had to retreat..

The French Troops have retreated, the Marines have retreated (Reagan).. Israel has retreated.

Do you really expect 15000 UN soldiers to defeat Hezbollah?

The UN soldiers are going to place thewmselves at the blue line.. and Ignore the armed-Hezbollah-Figthers on the Lebanese side.. No matter how close they are.

And... They(UN) are going to hope the armed-Hezbollah-Fighters ignores them too.

:rolleyes: the UN will disarm Hezbollah??:rolleyes: really?

If the UN promised you that.. they are selling you a bridge.

Israel Army has tried to disarm Hezbollah for some 18 years.. and they (IDF) had to retreat..

The French Troops have retreated, the Marines have retreated (Reagan).. Israel has retreated.

Do you really expect 15000 UN soldiers to defeat Hezbollah?

The UN soldiers are going to place thewmselves at the blue line.. and Ignore the armed-Hezbollah-Figthers on the Lebanese side.. No matter how close they are.

And... They(UN) are going to hope the armed-Hezbollah-Fighters ignores them too.
Hizbollah is not a force that is defeated by armed assault. It is defeated by making it so that the Lebanese people don't need to rely on it. Its primary weaponry is its members; its supplier, an ideology.

A constructive, supportive approach with just enough soldiers to prevent conflict and other forms of aid and assistance to get the civilian infrastructure back up and running again would do greater damage to Hezbollah than guns and tanks will ever accomplish.

Dear Hezbollah,
We, the UN, have decided that you will stop fighting Israel and live in peace. We are importing a million bunnies and several varities of flowers perfect for frolicking in.
Of course we apologize if these are against your religion, and they will be immidiatly replaced with Caliph-Aproved flowers.
So yeah, please stop fighting, we wrote up this letter thing and it was really long and we dont want to have to write it again, but we will if you keep this up.

Signed,
The UN

Dear Hezbollah,
We, the UN, have decided that you will stop fighting Israel and live in peace. We are importing a million bunnies and several varities of flowers perfect for frolicking in.
Of course we apologize if these are against your religion, and they will be immidiatly replaced with Caliph-Aproved flowers.
So yeah, please stop fighting, we wrote up this letter thing and it was really long and we dont want to have to write it again, but we will if you keep this up.

Signed,
The UN

And the one for Isreal?

And the one for Isreal?

Israel is the Big Stick in case Hezbollah is too deaf to listen to things spoken softly.

Israel is the Big Stick in case Hezbollah is too deaf to listen to things spoken softly.

Not a very effective stick though is it?

Not a very effective stick though is it?

We could always send the Zvai Haggana Le'Yisrael some new and improved clusterbombs..

We could always send the Zvai Haggana Le'Yisrael some new and improved clusterbombs..

And Begin as the Un-deadi Bomber?

And Begin as the Un-deadi Bomber?

I was rather thinking in terms of Jabberwockies.
Really, there is a munition named that way;)
With an improvement or two, can be used to fry anyone daft enough to use a GSM in the target area.

I was rather thinking in terms of Jabberwockies.
Really, there is a munition named that way;)
With an improvement or two, can be used to fry anyone daft enough to use a GSM in the target area.

I thought they were noise makers? I don't understand how that would fry mobile phone users?

I thought they were noise makers? I don't understand how that would fry mobile phone users?


I'm thinking in terms of the kind of white noise that has inference-effects, an electro-magnetic flashbang, so to speak.

I'm thinking in terms of the kind of white noise that has inference-effects, an electro-magnetic flashbang, so to speak.

well...if you are lucky you won't need any artillery!

http://www.t3.co.uk/news/247/general/general/exploding_mobile_phones!

. I LOVE UN resolutions that seek to implement their wishes on an organization that is not part of the UN itself.


Or on a nation whose big buddy has a veto.....

Or on a nation whose big buddy has a veto.....


I fail to see the point of ur statement

Israel is saying they're going to "halt the war" on Monday at 0700

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060812/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel;_ylt=AmmWAJ6tjs9aJMeX2cHgh_0UvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Israel is saying they're going to "halt the war" on Monday at 0700

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060812/ap_on_re_mi_ea/lebanon_israel;_ylt=AmmWAJ6tjs9aJMeX2cHgh_0UvioA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Good.

Let me see here...15,000 UN peacekeepers who have the power to do ???? to help Lebnese troops who can't control Hezbollah...are to take control ????... I think we have been here before and Israel will have to go back again. :( :(

It will have some positive effect. Sure Hazbollah aren't going to decide to give up arms at the sights of a blue helmet or Israel procfess all other Middle Eastern countries to be its best friend but it better than innocent Lebanese citizens suffering from the genoicide of the Israeli stirkes. Who knows maybe some UN commander and Kofi (he is leaving after all) will feel like a little payback and bomb an Israeli tower.

Should also point out that even Lebanon has agreed to it as well. Both sides are planning to cease the heavy fighting.

genoicide of the Israeli stirkes.

:rolleyes: No genocide is being committed!

Who knows maybe some UN commander and Kofi (he is leaving after all) will feel like a little payback and bomb an Israeli tower.

:rolleyes:

I fail to see the point of ur statement

This is a list of some of the resolutions the US has vetoed over the last 30 years or so. Its not comprehensive either.


1972 Condemns Israel for killing hundreds of people in Syria and Lebanon in air raids.
1973 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians and calls on Israel to withdraw from the occupied territories.
1976 Condemns Israel for attacking Lebanese civilians.
1976 Condemns Israel for building settlements in the occupied territories.
1976 Calls for self determination for the Palestinians.
1976 Afirms the rights of the Palestinians.
1978 Criticises the living conditions of the Palestinians.
1978 Condemns the Israeli human rights record in occupied territories.
1979 Calls for the return of all inhabitants expelled by Israel.
1979 Demands that Israel desist from human rights violations.
1979 Requests a report on the living conditions of Palestinians in occupied Arab countries.
1979 Offers assistance to the Palestinian people.
1979 Discusses sovereignty over national resources in occupied Arab territories.
1979 To include Palestinian women in the United Nations Conference on Women.
1980 Requests Israel to return displaced persons.
1980 Condemns Israeli policy regarding the living conditions of the Palestinian people.
1980 Condemns Israeli human rights practices in occupied territories. 3 resolutions.
1980 Afirms the right of self determination for the Palestinians.
1981 Condemns Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, human rights policies, and the bombing of Iraq. 18 resolutions.
1982 Condemns the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. 6 resolutions (1982 to 1983).
1982 Condemns the shooting of 11 Muslims at a shrine in Jerusalem by an Israeli soldier.
1982 Calls on Israel to withdraw from the Golan Heights occupied in 1967.
1984 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
1985 Condemns Israel for occupying and attacking southern Lebanon.
1985 Condemns Israel for using excessive force in the occupied territories.
1986 Condemns Israel for its actions against Lebanese civilians.
1986 Calls on Israel to respect Muslim holy places.
1986 Condemns Israel for sky-jacking a Libyan airliner.
1987 Calls on Israel to abide by the Geneva Conventions in its treatment of the Palestinians.
1987 Calls on Israel to stop deporting Palestinians.
1987 Condemns Israel for its actions in Lebanon. 2 resolutions.
1987 Calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
1988 Condemns Israeli practices against Palestinians in the occupied territories. 5 resolutions (1988 and 1989).
1989 Calling for a resolution to the Arab-Israeli conflict based on earlier UN resoltions.
1990 To send three UN Security Council observers to the occupied territories.
1995 Afirms that land in East Jerusalem annexed by Israel is occupied territory.
1997 Calls on Israel to cease building settlements in East Jerusalem and other occupied territories. 2 resolutions.
2001 To send unarmed monitors to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.
2001 To set up the International Criminal Court.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2000.htm

This is a list of some of the resolutions the US has vetoed over the last 30 years or so. Its not comprehensive either.


http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2000.htm


Cuz seriously...it's shocking that the US vetos resolutions that are one sided in strictly condemning Israel alone and are written by members of the Arab block who seek to make Israel look as bad as possible. Absolutely shocking that the US supports the freest nation in the Middle East and the lone democracy that gives undeniable rights to all its citizens. Its unbelievable to think that the US would support a nation that shares its same values when that nation is under attack militarily by the terrorists around it or politically by the Arab block in the UN.

Cuz seriously...it's shocking that the US vetos resolutions that are one sided in strictly condemning Israel alone and are written by members of the Arab block who seek to make Israel look as bad as possible. Absolutely shocking that the US supports the freest nation in the Middle East and the lone democracy that gives undeniable rights to all its citizens. Its unbelievable to think that the US would support a nation that shares its same values when that nation is under attack militarily by the terrorists around it or politically by the Arab block in the UN.

But the settlements are illegal regardless, human rights are human rights regardless - whats the problem with Palestinian women at a UN conference?

And if you read the full list on the link, you might wonder what values the US holds.....


Absolutely shocking that the US supports the freest nation in the Middle East and the lone democracy that gives undeniable rights to all its citizens
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"The Government did little to reduce institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens, who constituted approximately 20 percent of the population but did not share fully the rights and benefits provided to, and obligations imposed on, the country's Jewish citizens."
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27929.htm

Oh and just for OcceanDrive: Hezbollah leader says militant group will abide by U.N. cease-fire resolution

Oh and just for OcceanDrive: Hezbollah leader says militant group will abide by U.N. cease-fire resolution


But continue to attack until every Israeli has left Lebanon. Don't forget that part. Not to mention that Hizballah started this mess before Israel was even in Lebanon. Hizballah won't stop.

But continue to attack until every Israeli has left Lebanon. Don't forget that part. Not to mention that Hizballah started this mess before Israel was even in Lebanon. Hizballah won't stop.

I am sure they will when the additional troops show up. If they want to continue this crap with them, I am sure they will give them there fill.

But the settlements are illegal regardless, human rights are human rights regardless - whats the problem with Palestinian women at a UN conference?

The Arabs were trying to annihilate Israel before there were occupied territories and hence before there were settlements. This isn't about settlements or occupied territories. It's about the refusal of the Arabs to accept a non-Muslim state in the Middle East. The PLO was founded in 1964, before there were any occupied territories.

Moreover, Israel left Gaza Israeli and Jew-less a year ago, and have gotten nothing more but rockets and attacks. So much for the Palis taking that as a show of good faith


"The Government did little to reduce institutional, legal, and societal discrimination against the country's Arab citizens, who constituted approximately 20 percent of the population but did not share fully the rights and benefits provided to, and obligations imposed on, the country's Jewish citizens."
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27929.htm

The only thing that Arabs don't get in Israel that Jews do is mandatory military service. That's a fact, regardless of what the state dept says..and the state dept. has never been friendly or fair to Israel.

I am sure they will when the additional troops show up. If they want to continue this crap with them, I am sure they will give them there fill.

Don't think so...remember, Hizballah is laying claim to the little sliver of land called the Shebba farms that are actually being occupied from Syria. So to Hizballah, Israel will never have actually left Lebanon, even if they pull back across the blue line.

The Arabs were trying to annihilate Israel before there were occupied territories and hence before there were settlements. This isn't about settlements or occupied territories. It's about the refusal of the Arabs to accept a non-Muslim state in the Middle East. The PLO was founded in 1964, before there were any occupied territories.

Moreover, Israel left Gaza Israeli and Jew-less a year ago, and have gotten nothing more but rockets and attacks. So much for the Palis taking that as a show of good faith.

But if the PLO were actually composed of a rare breed of Elephant who had been trained by a Nazi mastermind to hid in fridges and attack any "Jew" who opened said appliance, the settlements would still be illegal. So why did the US veto them? Thats what we're talking about, remember?


The only thing that Arabs don't get in Israel that Jews do is mandatory military service. That's a fact, regardless of what the state dept says..and the state dept. has never been friendly or fair to Israel.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA....................O yes.

Would you like me to get an Amnesty international, HRW, or other such organisation report that says the same ?

If an Arab is killed by a Jewish extremist, the family does not get compesnsation. If its the other way round, they do. I don't believe that there are American parties who advocate as a party policy the deportation of hispanics, African Americans, and similar either. We here much about Arab material thats supposed to portray Israel and Jews in a negative light, yet the reverse exists too -

"An ultra-Orthodox weekly, Sh'a Tova, reportedly carried a comic strip for children with negative depiction of Arabs, including the statement, "Yes, a good Arab is a dead Arab."
http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/rsd/rsddocview.html?tbl=RSDCOI&id=437c9cec32&count=2


"Israeli school textbooks as well as children’s storybooks, according to recent academic studies and surveys, portray Palestinians and Arabs as “murderers,” “rioters,” “suspicious,” and generally backward and unproductive. Direct delegitimization and negative stereotyping of Palestinians and Arabs are the rule rather than the exception in Israeli schoolbooks.
"
http://www.mideastjournal.com/israelitextbooks6.html


And the Bedouin, despite serving in the Army, are still treated like second class citizens when it comes to land ownership.