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Moscow presses for 72-hour Mideast truce
August 11, 2006 - 6:04AM

Russia's UN ambassador says he will introduce a Security Council resolution calling for a 72-hour humanitarian truce due to long delays in US-French efforts to seek a ceasefire in the fighting between Israel and Lebanon's Hizbollah.

Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said he would press for a quick truce because there was as yet no deal in the 15-nation council on the final wording of a US-French draft calling for an end to the fighting and also setting out broad principles for a political solution to the conflict.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Moscow-presses-for-72hour-Mideast-truce/2006/08/11/1154803057390.html
Sources YahooNEWS/TheAgeLtd./OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: the US and France have Failed..
Next.

Pardon me if I fail to trust Russia.

Pardon me if I fail to trust Russia.
They're at least as trustworthy as the US.

Coke or Pepsi, it's your choice.

I'm sure nothing will come of this - not because Russia's got no diplomatic clout, its because neither side gives a damn what any other countries want. (Unless you count Israel's dependence on the United States).

I'm sure nothing will come of this ...
()...Unless you count Israel's dependence on the United States.I dont know if this resolution will be respected by Israel.. But at least it will put pressure on Israel to stop the killing.

Or it will put the US on the spot (force Bush to use his veto).. Because when Russia calls for a UNSC vote on this 72 Cease-Fire.. I can only see Bush voting against it.

They're at least as trustworthy as the US.

As far as I can tell, as long as they'll buy military hardware to shoot people with and sell them oil, Russia doesn't care if the killing stops or not. They're not concerned about peace.

As far as I can tell, as long as they'll buy military hardware to shoot people with and sell them oil, Russia doesn't care if the killing stops or not. They're not concerned about peace.if Russia is not concerned about peace.. Why are they pressing for a Cease-Fire?

Moscow presses for 72-hour Mideast truce
August 11, 2006 - 6:04AM

Russia's UN ambassador says he will introduce a Security Council resolution calling for a 72-hour humanitarian truce due to long delays in US-French efforts to seek a ceasefire in the fighting between Israel and Lebanon's Hizbollah.

Ambassador Vitaly Churkin said he would press for a quick truce because there was as yet no deal in the 15-nation council on the final wording of a US-French draft calling for an end to the fighting and also setting out broad principles for a political solution to the conflict.

http://www.theage.com.au/news/World/Moscow-presses-for-72hour-Mideast-truce/2006/08/11/1154803057390.html
Sources YahooNEWS/TheAgeLtd./OcceanNEWS©2006

my2cents: the US and France have Failed..
Next.

Now how are they going to get Hezbollah to go along with it?

As to France and the US failing, France jumped ship.

Even if it did pass what's to say that both sides would ignore it. What do you really belive that the UN will attack Israel for refusing? Pieces of Paper saying "Cease Fire" mean Jack shit in the real world.

But I forget you hate Jews.

HOORAY! another occeandrive thread
this is almost as entertaining as jesussaves

As far as I can tell, as long as they'll buy military hardware to shoot people with and sell them oil, Russia doesn't care if the killing stops or not. They're not concerned about peace.
Same could be said about the US and its weapon sales to Israel.

I'm curious as to why France and Russia are cooperating so closely these days. You never hear of one without the other on the international front, it seems.

if Russia is not concerned about peace.. Why are they pressing for a Cease-Fire?

Could be an economic reason(E.G. oil prices) or a just a plain old P.R. move you have to admit that most of the E.U. wants a cease-fire and russia would look very good if they joined in, and lets not forget the Ruskies have fundie terrorists too, in Chechnya backing up the U.S.(and Israel) could provoke another Beslan

HOORAY! another occeandrive thread
this is almost as entertaining as jesussaves
But aren't they polar opposites?

Wait... what if they are the same person?

And it's just a Troll playing both sides to start stuff.

if Russia is not concerned about peace.. Why are they pressing for a Cease-Fire?

Historically, they've always been Russia first and foremost. Sudden acts of concern are out of character.

If you want a scenario...

1. Iran tells their major trading partner "Do this so we can resupply our army in Lebannon."
2. Russia proposes "Peace Initative"
3. Nations buy it.
4. Iran and Syria spend 48 hours driving stuff in like madmen.
5. At hour 60, the missle barrage resumes.

Easy. :)

I have trouble believing that Russia's motives are pure. A ceasefire at this point would have the terrorists of Hezbollah claiming victory and I believe that is a very unacceptable outcome for this problem. Israel being forced to pull punches at a group of terrorists would only be a cause of celebration for the anti-Israel lobby, anti-semites, and of course Iran's regime. Many people with good intentions are being taken advantage of by those who would like to see Israel terrorized by radical Islam. A ceasefire agreement right now is the perfect trap for such good intentioned people who are seeking peace to fall into. Russia has been increasingly shady in recent years and I simply cannot take their offer at face value.

Historically, they've always been Russia first and foremost. Sudden acts of concern are out of character.

If you want a scenario...

1. Iran tells their major trading partner "Do this so we can resupply our army in Lebannon."
2. Russia proposes "Peace Initative"
3. Nations buy it.
4. Iran and Syria spend 48 hours driving stuff in like madmen.
5. At hour 60, the missle barrage resumes.

Easy. :)
I don't think Russia would risk that at this time. Russia pulled off such maneuvers in the past because they had the economic and military power to back it up. In other words, they could do whatever they want and no one could stop them. They can't do that now. They have a delicate relationship with Europe and the U.S. and this would seriously compromise it, methinks.

Russia has been increasingly shady in recent years and I simply cannot take their offer at face value.
Same could be said about the US. Precisely the same.

Coke or Pepsi?

I'm curious as to why France and Russia are cooperating so closely these days. You never hear of one without the other on the international front, it seems.
Well, since both are a shell of their former selves, the preservation of their political clout comes to mind....

...this point would have the terrorists of Hezbollah claiming victory and I believe that is a very unacceptable outcome.I have bad news for you..

For you.. It will be a very unacceptable outcome.. independently of the number of Ceasefires..

Hezbollah is winning this by a Landslide.
And unless either Israel or Bush pull a rabbit of their magic hats.. I dont see that final score changing much.. We are in the last minute of regulation... and Hezbollah is up by 3 TDs

Same could be said about the US. Precisely the same.

Coke or Pepsi?
Not trusting Russia doesn't mean you have to trust the US. This isn't down to black and white, there is still a gray area. And I don't trust Russia to act in anyone's interests but Russia's. And I don't see how the US is benefiting from Iraq. So.........

Don't back Russia's powerplays because you don't trust the US. Just keep and eye on both. Don't worry, us USians aren't that good at deception.


Except for that thing in Normandy........

Hezbollah is winning this by a Landslide.

Umm how?

Umm how?as we Speak..

Hezbollah has gained multiple Sunni supporters..
Hezbollah has multiplied his popularity by 20..
Hezbollah has multiplied his sources of Income by 10..
Hezbollah has multiplied his recruitiment line-upd by 4..
Hezbollah is now able to franchize outside Lebanon.

No, I do not have any proof.. but that is how Hezbollah is clearly winning this war.

BTW.. it is now clear that the weapons supply lines were never completely broken..

as we Speak..

Hezbollah has gained multiple Sunni supporters..
Hezbollah has multiplied his popularity by 20..
Hezbollah has multiplied his sources of Income by 10..
Hezbollah has multiplied his recruitiment line-upd by 4..
Hezbollah is now able to franchize outside Lebanon.

No, I do not have any proof.. but that is how Hezbollah is clearly winning this war.

BTW.. it is now clear that the weapons supply lines were never completely broken..

Well since you have no proof to back anything up, I will brush it off as more of your bs.

Now how is this resolution going to enforce a cease-fire?

Same could be said about the US. Precisely the same.

Coke or Pepsi?

The United States is not calling for nations to pull their punches when fighting terrorists. The left has not had its way yet.

as we Speak..

Hezbollah has gained multiple Sunni supporters..
Hezbollah has multiplied his popularity by 20..
Hezbollah has multiplied his sources of Income by 10..
Hezbollah has multiplied his recruitiment line-upd by 4..
Hezbollah is now able to franchize outside Lebanon.

No, I do not have any proof.. but that is how Hezbollah is clearly winning this war.


Hizballah is also trapped in Lebanon and can't leave or recieve more weapons due to the Israeli blockade. Hundreds of Hizballah terrorists have been klled and Hizballah headquarters and strongholds have been utterly destroyed.

How is Hizballah winning?

We knew from the beginning that Hizballah had accumulated 15,000 rockets since Israel left 6 years ago. They haven't fired anywhere near that amount yet so I am not surprised to see the continuing rocket fire. Not to mention these are small mobile rockets that are easily hidden and transported. It doesn't mean that Hizballah is winning...it just means that Israel was retarded to pull out of Lebanon in the first place and let them dig in deep there. Think about it. This is a very small area of land we're talking about here. They've have SIX YEARS do dig in and prepare for the next invasion, because we all know these guys have been preparing. Anyone who thought Israel could wipe out this terror group in a month was on another planet. Granted, Israel could have done more and used more force than it did initially...but that would have just angered the UN all the lefties on NSG even more than the initial airstrikes and various attacks.

I have bad news for you..

For you.. It will be a very unacceptable outcome.. independently of the number of Ceasefires..

Hezbollah is winning this by a Landslide.
And unless either Israel or Bush pull a rabbit of their magic hats.. I dont see that final score changing much.. We are in the last minute of regulation... and Hezbollah is up by 3 TDs


I like how you say "Israel or Bush" instead of "Israel or the United States", cute. You are using the scary leftist argument that when you are having difficulty fighting terrorists the best tactic to switch to is that of ...running away from the fight. I do not agree with it.

as we Speak..

Hezbollah has gained multiple Sunni supporters..
Hezbollah has multiplied his popularity by 20..
Hezbollah has multiplied his sources of Income by 10..
Hezbollah has multiplied his recruitiment line-upd by 4..
Hezbollah is now able to franchize outside Lebanon.

No, I do not have any proof.. but that is how Hezbollah is clearly winning this war.

BTW.. it is now clear that the weapons supply lines were never completely broken..

you have no sources is what you have. And how to the "facts" above make it logical for Israel to suddenly become a punch of peaceniks?

Well since you have no proof to back anything up, I will brush it off as more of your bs.

Now how is this resolution going to enforce a cease-fire?

By using magic to force terrorists funded by Iran to embrace the concepts of peace and love. Good grief.

Well since you have no proof to back anything up, I will brush it off ..ok. whatever.

ok. whatever.

How is Russia going to get Hezbollah to agree to cease-firing?

Now how is this resolution going to enforce a cease-fire?Like I said.. do not know if Israel will respect the Cease fire.. but at least It will put some presure in Israel to stop the killing.

How is Russia going to get Hezbollah to agree to cease-firing?Hezbollah has already said that they will stop shooting.. If Israel stops.

Like I said.. do not know if Israel will respect the Cease fire.. but at least It will put some presure in Israel to stop the killing.

You deleted a word. What about hezbollah? Israel will honor it provided that Hezbollah does. So tell me, how is this proposal going to get Hezbollah to stop firing their rockets into Israel?

Hezbollah has already said that they will stop shooting.. If Israel stops.

And yet Israel says they will stop shooting when Hezbollah stops and are disarmed.

By using magic to force terrorists funded by Iran to embrace the concepts of peace and love. Good grief.
Well, I guess you would never know unless you give it a try? IF the terrorists violate the "cease-fire" then it wouldn't take much for Israel to ramp up their attacks again?

Are you giving USalpenstock the rest of the night off?

How is Russia going to get Hezbollah to agree to cease-firing?
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Whoops, that's Illuminati.

And yet Israel says they will stop shooting when Hezbollah stops and are disarmed.
Hezbollah sees what happens when one side is disarmed and the other is not. Iraq comes to mind, and we all know what happened to Iraq?

Hezbollah sees what happens when one side is disarmed and the other is not. Iraq comes to mind, and we all know what happened to Iraq?

Hezbollah is not even a legitament army. By 1559, they were supposed to have been disarmed. We all know what happens when people violate UN resolutions.

I like how you say "Israel or Bush" instead of "Israel or the United States", cute.You like?.. me like it too ;)
You are using the scary leftist ..What? scared of the Left? ... Good :cool:
You are using the scary leftist argument that when you are having difficulty fighting terrorists the best tactic to switch to is that of ...running away from the fight. I do not agree with it.Ronald Reagan (US Gov) has already runned away from Hezbollah.. Israel Army has already runned away from Hezbollah.. Your asses are not virgin. Get over it.

Meh. not going to happen.

The two sides that are actively beating the shit out of each other do not seem to want a cease-fire. Everyone else does, but that's beside the point because I don't imagine anyone is actually going to invade to stop them.

I'd care if it wasn't for the fact that every gun in every third world country is an AK-47.

I'd care if it wasn't for the fact that every gun in every third world country is an AK-47.

Oh be fair, there are quite a few SKS as well.

And yet Israel says they will stop shooting when Hezbollah ... are disarmed.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Then.. Israel better be prepared for a very long war.. Last Israel-vs-Hezbollah war lasted some 18 years.. and Israel did not Win.. not at all.

methinks >> technically that war never ended.. so this is simply a continuation of that war.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Then.. Israel better be prepared for a very long war.. Last Israel-vs-Hezbollah war was 18 years.. and the Israel Army did not Win.. not at all.

Times have changed. Israel does know what they are doing and I bet that they will succeed. Of course, if an International Force comes in and takes over, Hezbollah is just as screwed.

Times have changed. Israel does know what they are doing and I bet that they will succeed. Of course, if an International Force comes in and takes over, Hezbollah is just as screwed.In a way.. Israel was not able to finish Hezbollah.. so thay are whinning/asking for the help of the NATO/US/UN.. hoping they can do the job for them.

In a way.. Israel was not able to finish Hezbollah.. so thay are whinning/asking for the help of the NATO/US/UN.. hoping they can do the job for them.

They are whining now? Oh brother. I dare you to back that one up with links.

Hezbollah is not even a legitament army. By 1559, they were supposed to have been disarmed. We all know what happens when people violate UN resolutions.
Israel is a classic example, except that Israel doesn't have to violate UN Resolutions because the US just vetoes them so that Israel does not have to comply.

They are whining.. ( how?) "please send NATO forces.. please... "

"please send NATO forces.. please... "

Now back up that they are whining!

Ok here's what's going to happen.

The UN will pass a resolution. Nothing will happen for about 2 or 3 weeks. Then the fighting will stop. And international force moves in. 6 months from now a few car bombs will go off and the international force will leave (this of course will no doubt be America's fault) then fighting resumes.

Or... Isreal keeps on fighting takes over Lebanon and maybe Syria, trys to mantian peave fails and things go back the way they were. (pointless fighting)

So, in conclusin, the UN won't help at all and hezbola even if it's wiped out will be reborn with a different name. No body wins, everyone dies.
The only option that will work is to nuke the whole god damned area remove all the radiated soil fill it with water and make it a nice lake. I'm going to start buying property around my soon to exsist lake.

Israel is a classic example, except that Israel doesn't have to violate UN Resolutions because the US just vetoes them so that Israel does not have to comply.

We all know that Israel has violated UN Resolutions. The same can be said for Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Jordan and Egypt.

"please send NATO forces.. please... "Now back up that they are whining!Nah.. lets save some time :D

Alleghany: prove it !! ...Prove It !!! ...PROVE IT !!!!
Occean: No.
Alleghany: Well since you have no proof, I will brush it off .
Occean: ok. whatever.

Nah.. lets save some time :D

Alleghany: Prove it !!
Occean: No.
Alleghany: Well since you have no proof, I will brush it off .
Occean: ok. whatever.

:rolleyes:

Ok here's what's going to happen.

The UN will pass a resolution. Nothing will happen for about 2 or 3 weeks. Then the fighting will stop. And international force moves in. 6 months from now a few car bombs will go off and the international force will leave (this of course will no doubt be America's fault) then fighting resumes.

Or... Isreal keeps on fighting takes over Lebanon and maybe Syria, trys to mantian peave fails and things go back the way they were. (pointless fighting)
.pointless fighting is the perfect definition.. Israel tried for some 18 years to defeat Hezbollah..

pointless fighting.

hmmm the former soviets want the killing to stop...Why they run out of bullets to sell ?

hmmm the former soviets want the killing to stop...Why they run out of bullets to sell ?

or they found a cute little bunny that told them to be nice to people....

hmmm the former soviets want the killing to stop...Why they run out of bullets to sell ?Weapon sales to the Middle east..

lets see the numbers. ;)

Weapon sales to the Middle east..

lets see the numbers. ;)

Let's ask: who designed the Katushya rocket...

Let's ask: who designed the Katushya rocket...
...sixty years ago...

...sixty years ago...
and currently manufactured by Iran, and delivered free of charge to Hezbollah...

Counting sales dollars doesn't do well for comparison when there's no money changing hands in exchange for weapons.

Counting sales dollars doesn't do well for comparison when ....Thou shall not be afraid of the Numbers.

The Truth will set you free.. etc.. etc..

Thou shall not be afraid of the Numbers.

The Truth will set you free.. etc.. etc..
Not afraid of the numbers.

Just telling you that numbers don't tell the real story.

Of course, you would love to cover up how much Iran gave away.

Still working on that sports drink, Ocean?

Still working on that sports drink, Ocean?I'll make it.. If you drink it :D

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