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I really hope Castro pulls through. I mean he's been a staple of the world for decades, but doesn't Chavez sound like Squeeler from Animal Farm? Especially this part:

"Among other things Fidel told me ... 'I keep saying Chavez, God help Chavez and his friends,'" Chavez said."

"It was the most affecting sight I have ever seen!" said Squealer, lifting his trotter and wiping away a tear. "I was at his bedside at the very last. And at the end, almost too weak to speak, he whispered in my ear that his sole sorrow was to have passed on before the windmill was finished. 'Forward, comrades!' he whispered. 'Forward in the name of the Rebellion. Long live Animal Farm! Long live Comrade Napoleon! Napoleon is always right.' Those were his very last words, comrades."




http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_castro

I don't. After all the things he has done, I hope the bugger gets what is coming to him.

I am more than curious to see what happens to cuba when fidel is gone, Its not like his brother has more than another 10 years in him either.

SNIP

animals can't talk!

animals can't talk!

Allegorical animals can ;)

Castro will never die. It's a fact. He's going to outlive the United States.

Castro will never die. It's a fact. He's going to outlive the United States.
Morbo: ...and, in other news, Fidel Castro just celebrated his 1000th birthday. Citizens across Earth boo'd his birthday celebrations, for they still hate communists.

Castro will never die.Legends do not Die.

I don't believe for a second Castro said 'God help Chavez.' And I'm insulted that he thinks he can fool me that way.

i thought that chavez made it sound like castro is on death's door. i hope he goes peacefully and soon and that it makes a difference for the better for the cuban people.

Since when is Castro a staple of the world?

Since when is Castro a staple of the world?

Well, he's like a sharp pointy metal thing that holds things together, but sucks when it's pointed into your skin.

Well, he's like a sharp pointy metal thing that holds things together, but sucks when it's pointed into your skin.

Nah, the USA would be the staple that held things together.

Nah, the USA would be the staple that held things together.

So what office supply would Castro be?

So what office supply would Castro be?

paper clips

or maybe post-it notes

So what office supply would Castro be?

Letter opener?

I would picture him to be something that has been in the office a lot longer. Like 'record retension' or something. That dusty old file folder that you keep having to dig out for your boss, yet can't destroy because it always seems to have some sort of relevance.

So what office supply would Castro be?

Pencil sharpener, or perhaps a sponge that people use to wet their fingers so that they can turn pages better.

Damn Communist!

So what office supply would Castro be?

Pffft, everybody knows he's the trash can

Legends do not Die.

Since when is Castro a legend. He isn't blowing jewish people up, is he?

I really hope Castro pulls through. I mean he's been a staple of the world for decades, but doesn't Chavez sound like Squeeler from Animal Farm? Especially this part:

"Among other things Fidel told me ... 'I keep saying Chavez, God help Chavez and his friends,'" Chavez said."

"It was the most affecting sight I have ever seen!" said Squealer, lifting his trotter and wiping away a tear. "I was at his bedside at the very last. And at the end, almost too weak to speak, he whispered in my ear that his sole sorrow was to have passed on before the windmill was finished. 'Forward, comrades!' he whispered. 'Forward in the name of the Rebellion. Long live Animal Farm! Long live Comrade Napoleon! Napoleon is always right.' Those were his very last words, comrades."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060810/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_castro


WAIT A SECOND.

Communists are supposed to be atheists. You know, "religion is the opiate of the masses".

What's with the "God" thing?

WAIT A SECOND.

Communists are supposed to be atheists. You know, "religion is the opiate of the masses".

What's with the "God" thing?
Chavez is more a socialist than a commie. Don't have to be an atheist to be a socialist.

Chavez is more a socialist than a commie. Don't have to be an atheist to be a socialist.
I also remember hearing Cubans talk to reporters on NPR, and saying that "Castro is in our prayers".

Kinda funny, that.

Chavez is more a socialist than a commie. Don't have to be an atheist to be a socialist.
He's saying that Castro said "God " to him.

I also remember hearing Cubans talk to reporters on NPR, and saying that "Castro is in our prayers".

Kinda funny, that.
Yeah, I also remember that it didn't take long for churches to start up a booming business again after communism fell in the former Soviet Union.

He's saying that Castro said "God " to him.
Yeah, but Chavez is playing to his people, and he must think that they'll respond to an invocation of God. Maybe Castro really did say it--I doubt it, but maybe he did.

Chávez cannot appear as a atheist, our people is religious and he needs to maintain his populist facade, so he keeps saying things in his speeches like "God", and "I was praying", although he is a known and confessed atheist.

Keep buying his shit. He seems to be good at making foreigners love him.

Yeah, but Chavez is playing to his people, and he must think that they'll respond to an invocation of God. Maybe Castro really did say it--I doubt it, but maybe he did.
I seriously doubt Castro said, "God".

I seriously doubt Castro said, "God".
Yeah, me too.

He seems to be good at making foreigners love his oil.
Fixed.

So what office supply would Castro be?
With just a pink eraser and some pushpins, you can make a little pig.
Which brings us back to the OP.

animals can't talk!
Some animals are more equal than others.

I do not wish ill on Fidel Castro, but wonder if the embargo (which honestly should have gone the way of the Dodo YEARS ago) will be lifted once he's dead.

It's something that would benefit both Cuba and the US. Gaining a new market for goods and a new market for the tourist industry should improve the standard of living in Cuba.

I do not wish ill on Fidel Castro, but wonder if the embargo (which honestly should have gone the way of the Dodo YEARS ago) will be lifted once he's dead.

It's something that would benefit both Cuba and the US. Gaining a new market for goods and a new market for the tourist industry should improve the standard of living in Cuba.
Depends. There will certainly be a push to make it happen, but there will also be a call to get Raul to accept democratic reforms, and Raul, if anything, is more hardcore than Fidel. But I really hope the embargo is lifted.

And what's more, if the Cuban community down here tries another Bay of Pigs style incident, I hope the Cubans beat the hell out of them again.

Its rather amusing when you think about it.

Castro went to the US after he overthrew the Batista regime to get support...

The US rejected him so he went to Kruschev who took advantage of a big mistake by the US.

Such things history is made of.

Depends. There will certainly be a push to make it happen, but there will also be a call to get Raul to accept democratic reforms, and Raul, if anything, is more hardcore than Fidel. But I really hope the embargo is lifted.

And what's more, if the Cuban community down here tries another Bay of Pigs style incident, I hope the Cubans beat the hell out of them again.
What I think is more likely is that after Cuba really opens up (and who knows when that will happen), a bunch of Miami carpetbaggers with money will move in.

What I think is more likely is that after Cuba really opens up (and who knows when that will happen), a bunch of Miami carpetbaggers with money will move in.

Surprisingly perhaps....I think you could well be right.

The world will be better off when these two cold war throwbacks have their regimes ended once their people get wise. May I remind you:

average income:

Venezuela: $6,100 per year
Cuba: $3,500 per year and
USA: $42,000 per year

if that does not say it all I don't know what does.

The world will be better off when these two cold war throwbacks have their regimes ended once their people get wise. May I remind you:

average income:

Venezuela: $6,100 per year
Cuba: $3,500 per year and
USA: $42,000 per year

if that does not say it all I don't know what does.
That says that the average US citizen earns more. What does it mean for the world, however?

The world will be better off when these two cold war throwbacks have their regimes ended once their people get wise. May I remind you:

average income:

Venezuela: $6,100 per year
Cuba: $3,500 per year and
USA: $42,000 per year

if that does not say it all I don't know what does.
You mean America and Cuba have regimes that are throwbacks to the Cold War?

The world will be better off when these two cold war throwbacks have their regimes ended once their people get wise. May I remind you:

average income:

Venezuela: $6,100 per year
Cuba: $3,500 per year and
USA: $42,000 per year

if that does not say it all I don't know what does.

It says that the American economic embargo has crippled Cuba's economy? Also that Castro inherited a country ruined by American corporations from the US backed Batista? Which, incidentally, I think is likely to happen as soon as socialism in Cuba falls.

Shouldn't the title be...

Chavez on Castro on Chavez?

Damn this thread with its misleading title! Called "Chavez on Castro" and not even the slightest hint of red hot evil-commie-leader on evil-commie-leader action!

The world will be better off when these two cold war throwbacks have their regimes ended once their people get wise. May I remind you:

average income:

Venezuela: $6,100 per year
Cuba: $3,500 per year and
USA: $42,000 per year

if that does not say it all I don't know what does.

No. It does not say it all. It does not say why there is a disparity. It does not prove that the US model of being a cold war throwback is somehow more successful than the Cuban model. Perhaps you could try again with some sort of argument, and some logic or links to back it up.

As to the discussion, I see Castro's death as another opportunity for the USA to increase its influence in Latin America. It may be successful if the Monroe Doctrine fellows limit themselves to economic pressures. Another bay of Pigs would be bad for all parties involved, though the USA would win this time as the warhawks in power now are a short-sighted and bloodthirsty lot.

The world will be better off when these two cold war throwbacks have their regimes ended once their people get wise. May I remind you:

average income:

Venezuela: $6,100 per year
Cuba: $3,500 per year and
USA: $42,000 per year

if that does not say it all I don't know what does.

$6,100 are more or less 18 millions of bolívares a year, more or less my income, that goes around a little more than a million per month. Minimum wage "enjoyed" by most of the population, is not even half a million a month. Average income?, no way, that's the income of a well placed professional. Here in Venezuela the average income is not above $4,000, and most of the population (60% or more), tries to survive with less than that. Where did you get those numbers anyway?

$6,100 are more or less 18 millions of bolívares a year, more or less my income, that goes around a little more than a million per month. Minimum wage "enjoyed" by most of the population, is not even half a million a month. Average income?, no way, that's the income of a well placed professional. Here in Venezuela the average income is not above $4,000, and most of the population (60% or more), tries to survive with less than that. Where did you get those numbers anyway?

His flaw was that he was equating GDP with income.

I like Castro, Chavez is a nut.

So what office supply would Castro be?
Blu-tack.

I wonder if Castro has something planned for the memorial anniversary of Che coming up.