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Okay, here's a question regarding Political Correctness vs Security. If you had to decide whether to "randomly" search an old woman in a wheelchair or a 20 year old Arab, which would you search? Assuming you can't search them both, for whatever reason.

Poll should be coming, if I don't fk anything up.

are they traveling together or seperate?

oh, and when my husband flies they have this code on his ticket that says he was "randomly picked by the computer to be searched" except it happens everytime he flies, do you guys think he is on "the list" and nobody told us?

I think searching the 20-year-old Arab would be more fun...

Mu.

I would search each of them equally, as each has an equal chance of destroying an aircraft. Damn, that sounded stupid. Let me try again.

I don't work for the government, that means I can use common sense. The Arab would be searched, interrogated, and then deported.

What are the circumstances here?

I guess if this is a moral philosophical thing just to see which way we jump with the info given, I search the 20 year old, not because he's an arab but because he's 20.

are they traveling together or seperate?



Seperate. No known connection between them.

Seperate. No known connection between them.
hmm.... am I supposed to choose the old lady so I don't look like a racist?

hmm.... am I supposed to choose the old lady so I don't look like a racist?

Hmm, well I feel like a sexist. I somehow assumed that the Arab was a man.

Hmm, well I feel like a sexist. I somehow assumed that the Arab was a man.

Touche! I meant 20 year old Arab MALE, but forgot to specify that. :p

Touche! I meant 20 year old Arab MALE, but forgot to specify that. :p

Yes, I fear I've rather been a victim of your failure to specify the Arab's sex, whilst mentioning that the wheelchair-bound ancient was a woman.

The old woman, because her wheelchair would set off the metal detector forcing a search.

I voted for the 20 y.o., bit it's a fairly stupid poll.

I don't work for the government, that means I can use common sense. The Arab would be searched, interrogated, and then deported.
Won't the latter two events depend on the outcome of the first?

I suppose it would depend on the circumstances. Maybe the old woman is looking to go out with a bang?
Anyone in a wheelchair ought to be searched from a security standpoint. It's easy to hide things in/on a wheelchair. And the metal detector won't be much help.

Well, I would choose the 20 year old. Primarily because young adults are more susceptible to the 'recruitment' drives of terrorist groups, and more likely to spend time out at training camps and the like. I have a difficult time picturing the lady in the wheelchair running through the desert with an AK-47.

Not that she couldn't be a terrorist, but she's less likely to be.

I would never stop and old woman in a wheelchair (what ever happened to respect your elders and common decency).

Suspicious Arab man (with Islamic name like Akmed) yeah, I'd stop him. He ain't touchin' that plane with a 100 ft. pole.

I would never stop and old woman in a wheelchair (what ever happened to respect your elders and common decency).

Suspicious Arab man (with Islamic name like Akmed) yeah, I'd stop him. He ain't touchin' that plane with a 100 ft. pole.

Actually, I think not being a bigoted racist is part of common decency.

Actually, I think not being a bigoted racist is part of common decency.

Not when the guy might be out to kill me or someone else. I'm not worried about the Grandmother who's knitting in her wheelchair. I AM worried about young Muslim man who keeps checking his shoe.

are they traveling together or seperate?

oh, and when my husband flies they have this code on his ticket that says he was "randomly picked by the computer to be searched" except it happens everytime he flies, do you guys think he is on "the list" and nobody told us?

A lot of men between specific ages are always picked for searches.

Also, some airlines (like United on international flights), will search the carry-ons of every male. No exceptions. By hand.

A lot of men between specific ages are always picked for searches.

Also, some airlines (like United on international flights), will search the carry-ons of every male. No exceptions. By hand.
yeah, he always has a carry-on maybe that's it.

Not when the guy might be out to kill me or someone else. I'm not worried about the Grandmother who's knitting in her wheelchair. I AM worried about young Muslim man who keeps checking his shoe.

Yes, because Arab equals Muslim. :rolleyes: *pats* Run along back to racist generalisation camp.

I suppose all white men called John or Joe are Christian, too.

Not when the guy might be out to kill me or someone else.So might the old woman, or whoever put the C4 in her wheelchair.

I'm not worried about the Grandmother who's knitting in her wheelchair.Which is exactly why they're the best suicide bombers, nobody expects them to be.

Yes, because Arab equals Muslim. :rolleyes: *pats* Run along back to racist generalisation camp.

I suppose all white men called John or Joe are Christian, too.

Thus far, the terrorists I've been shown, and the ones who have actually DONE something, all look like cousins to me.

Won't the latter two events depend on the outcome of the first?

Not for Myrmidonisia and his kind. The guy has already committed a crime by being brown and entering the airport, see.

I'm not worried about the Grandmother who's knitting in her wheelchair. I AM worried about young Muslim man who keeps checking his shoe.

The question didn't state this, so you made it up. So I'm making stuff up too. The Arab is looking at his shoe because a pebble got caught in it. The knitting lady is actually a Russian SMERSH agent trying to look inconscpicuous - haven't you read any James Bond stories?

That's the idea of random searches. If you make it dependent on race, gender and age, this is not merely discrimination, it is also ineffective. Women can be terrorists too - and if that fails, men can disguise themselves as women. A strip search would uncover that, but if only men get searched in the first place...

I'd search the arab guy.


Not because I think he'd be more likely to be a terrorist, but rather because I'd take every opportunity I can to get my hands on some hot youngmale arab flesh :D

I'd search the arab guy.


Not because I think he'd be more likely to be a terrorist, but rather because I'd take every opportunity I can to get my hands on some hot youngmale arab flesh :D

Tcha... whatever... to each his (in this case "her") own. :fluffle:

Okay, here's a question regarding Political Correctness vs Security. If you had to decide whether to "randomly" search an old woman in a wheelchair or a 20 year old Arab, which would you search? Assuming you can't search them both, for whatever reason.

Poll should be coming, if I don't fk anything up.

Neither. :)

Thus far, the terrorists I've been shown, and the ones who have actually DONE something, all look like cousins to me.

None of them look like my cousin - he's seven and has no real interest in international terrorism

Stop the generalisations

Neither. :)

You named your NS country very well then. :p

definitely the old woman in the wheelchair. blatant heroine smuggler. also, random searches should be just that. you don't get to choose who you search.

None of them look like my cousin - he's seven and has no real interest in international terrorism

Stop the generalisations

I sense a touchy soft-spot...

Must have hit a nerve vein somewhere along this thread...

definitely the old woman in the wheelchair. blatant heroine smuggler. also, random searches should be just that. you don't get to choose who you search.

Hmmm... If you put it that way....:D

Tcha... whatever... to each his (in this case "her") own. :fluffle:
Nah, I'm a "him" alright. :D

I sense a touchy soft-spot...

Must have hit a nerve vein somewhere along this thread...

Maybe it was when you started making racist comments. :rolleyes:

It'd be much easier if everyone would just be sedated for a plane flight. It would also allow many more people to be crammed into one plane, making it cheaper to travel. And you can just bring them to again once they've arrived.
Unconscious people hardly ever commit violence, you'd only have to look out for timed explosives.

Random sidenote: Why is it that I noticed only now the name was "Lunatic Goofballs" and not "Lunatic Golfballs"? Particularly since the latter makes no sense? Strange...

Edit: Frankly, I don't trust any flight company enough to allow myself to be rendered unconscious at any point during the flight.

You named your NS country very well then. :p

Thank you. :)

Simply speaking, I don't believe the additional security of random searches is worth the loss of liberty.

Nah, I'm a "him" alright. :D

Aaahhhh... I see...
I'm just going to smile and walk away

*to myself*
(I'm such an idiot)

Random sidenote: Why is it that I noticed only now the name was "Lunatic Goofballs" and not "Lunatic Golfballs"? Particularly since the latter makes no sense? Strange...

Edit: Frankly, I don't trust any flight company enough to allow myself to be rendered unconscious at any point during the flight.

Welcome to the club. You're in good company. :)

In fact, some people have gone over a thousand posts before noticing that I'm not a golfball. Perhaps it has something to do with all the dents in my head. :(

Thank you. :)

Simply speaking, I don't believe the additional security of random searches is worth the loss of liberty.

I don't believe in random searches either. I am all for profiling. (even if it is "racist")

Twenty year old.

Unless the old lady wears a chador... ;)

So might the old woman, or whoever put the C4 in her wheelchair.

Which is exactly why they're the best suicide bombers, nobody expects them to be.
Oh come on, Niaman may be a moron, but granny isn't going to be a suicide bomber. Be realistic.

I'd search the arab guy.

Not because I think he'd be more likely to be a terrorist, but rather because I'd take every opportunity I can to get my hands on some hot youngmale arab flesh :D
lol, I was waiting for this from someone! :D

Thank you. :)

Simply speaking, I don't believe the additional security of random searches is worth the loss of liberty.
How can you possibly claim that the mild inconvenience of a search is worth more than human lives???

lol, I was waiting for this from someone! :D

:( That's what I was saying in the second post. *cries for attention*

Mu.
I agree. Loaded questions be no fun.

Aaahhhh... I see...
I'm just going to smile and walk away

*to myself*
(I'm such an idiot)
Hah, no need to get defensive, you're not my type.


And if you react that way, just think of what the poor muslim dude's face will look like if he learns it, too :D

:( That's what I was saying in the second post. *cries for attention*
Awww, come on, we can share. I'm sure there's enough of that hot little arab dude for both of us ;)

How can you possibly claim that the mild inconvenience of a search is worth more than human lives???

How can you possibly claim that human lives are worth more than the freedom to live them?

It'd be much easier if everyone would just be sedated for a plane flight. It would also allow many more people to be crammed into one plane, making it cheaper to travel. And you can just bring them to again once they've arrived.
Unconscious people hardly ever commit violence, you'd only have to look out for timed explosives.
And you could fire the cabin crew. Then redesign planes so that the pilot/s don't have access to the passenger cargo area except in emergencies and it might actually work.

Awww, come on, we can share. I'm sure there's enough of that hot little arab dude for both of us ;)

:)

I'd randomly search passenger number, say, 34 in alphabeltical order on the manifest. Whoever it is.

That's what random is all about.

Talk about a loaded choice. What about the other people on that hypotetical flight?

I'd randomly search passenger number, say, 34 in alphabeltical order on the manifest. Whoever it is.

That's what random is all about.

Talk about a loaded choice. What about the other people on that hypotetical flight?

Okay, the other people on the flight are you, you're mother, you're mother's aunt's friend's cousin twice removed, your gym teacher from 8th grade, your ex-girlfriend, Bob, Chuck Norris, Billy the Kid, Sponge Bob, and God.

Okay, the other people on the flight are you, you're mother, you're mother's aunt's friend's cousin twice removed, your gym teacher from 8th grade, your ex-girlfriend, Bob, Chuck Norris, Billy the Kid, Sponge Bob, and God.
number 34 then.

Okay, the other people on the flight are you, you're mother, you're mother's aunt's friend's cousin twice removed, your gym teacher from 8th grade, your ex-girlfriend, Bob, Chuck Norris, Billy the Kid, Sponge Bob, and God.
I'd search Billy the Kid. I mean, he IS a notorious criminal after all.


Plus, he's another piece of hot young male flesh ^^

number 34 then.

You want to search Hello Kitty? Oh, wait, sorry, I counted wrong- number 34 is... well whadya know- It's Tiger Woods.

*to Woods*

Sorry sir, your going to have to come with me. No you can't take the golf clubs with you. Company policy. No not the balls either. Get over here.

*frisking*

So you thought you could hide a pack of bubble gum from me, eh. Well, I got it now. Now if you'll hand me that bag of chips you were hauling just a second ago, we'll let you on your way.

Pleasure working with you. *stuffs face with chips and gum* *chomp chomp chomp*

I don't work for the government, that means I can use common sense. The Arab would be searched, interrogated, and then deported.

The....hell?

Those two sentences seem to be a bit oxymoronical.

The....hell?

Those two sentences seem to be a bit oxymoronical.

It's if he theoretically had the power to arrest and deport.

Okay, the other people on the flight are you, you're mother, you're mother's aunt's friend's cousin twice removed, your gym teacher from 8th grade, your ex-girlfriend, Bob, Chuck Norris, Billy the Kid, Sponge Bob, and God.
If His Roundhousekickingness is on the flight there's no need to search anyone. Explosives know better than to go off in the prescence of Chuck Norris.

If His Roundhousekickingness is on the flight there's no need to search anyone. Explosives know better than to go off in the prescence of Chuck Norris.
*rolls on the floor, laughing* :p

Okay, the other people on the flight are you, you're mother, you're mother's aunt's friend's cousin twice removed, your gym teacher from 8th grade, your ex-girlfriend, Bob, Chuck Norris, Billy the Kid, Sponge Bob, and God.
Well, I woudent even bother

It would take very little time for my Mother to deal with the terrorist
My mother's aunt's friend's cousin twice removed is too removed for me to distinguish him as anything but an ordinary civillian
I hate my 8th grade gym teacher
I dumped my ex for a reason
I dont know Bob
Chuck Norris would roudhouse kick the terrorist back to whereever
Billy the Kid is an actual crimminal, he would have to be arrested
Sponge Bob has survived many horrible things, watch the show sometime
And from what I've read, God is all-powerful, a puny terrorist dosent stand a chance

:D Ifrean and Franberry are funny. And they speak truth too.:p

:D Ifrean and Franberry are funny. And they speak truth too.:p
I like this guy

Much better question would be, elderly Arab woman in a wheel chair or 20 year old white male of apparent Northern European descent?

Who do you choose to search now?

Much better question would be, elderly Arab woman in a wheel chair or 20 year old white male of apparent Northern European descent?

Who do you choose to search now?

Neither. Both are scotch free to get on the plane. I'm not stopping either of them.

Much better question would be, elderly Arab woman in a wheel chair or 20 year old white male of apparent Northern European descent?

Who do you choose to search now?
The 20 year old, regardless of race

Why?
a lot of terrorists seem to be around this age, while the elderly woman might be some sort of clever plan by some terrorist mastermind, I'm still inclined against the young adult


Also, the original poll dosen't say the race of the elderly woman, she could be glowing green for all we know, I think people assumed she was white

The 20 year old, regardless of race

Why?
a lot of terrorists seem to be around this age, while the elderly woman might be some sort of clever plan by some terrorist mastermind, I'm still inclined against the young adult


Also, the original poll dosen't say the race of the elderly woman, she could be glowing green for all we know, I think people assumed she was white

I was thinking of a nice old black lady. With one of them Southern Accents.

I voted for the 20 y.o., bit it's a fairly stupid poll.


Won't the latter two events depend on the outcome of the first?

Sure, but the point of the poll is that all _are_ treated equally by the TSA. We absolutely refuse to acknowledge that 'young Arab male' is an accurate description of a criminal suspect. They should get more scrutiny than the old woman in a wheel chair.

It's if he theoretically had the power to arrest and deport.

He stated "The Arab would be searched, interrogated, and then deported." and in doing so makes a very huge mistake. Arab is an ethnicity. It is, at best, a race. It is NOT a nationality. There is no nation of "Arabland". My friend Kivanc, who is Muslim and Turkish by decent considers himself "arab", and he is arab by every practical definition of the word.

If you tried to "search, interrogate, and (especially) deport" him, I'd imagine you'd have one HELL of a lawsuit on your hands. He is a 20something Arab male, this is true..

He is also an American citizen.

We absolutely refuse to acknowledge that 'young Arab male' is an accurate description of a criminal suspect.

Because it is not. A suspect requires a reasonable suspicion. Simply being of a particular ethnicity does not define you as suspect.

I was thinking of a nice old black lady. With one of them Southern Accents.
well, I think its safe to assume that most people thought of a very nice lady

and then theres those who think shes a Russian spy, but meh

well, I think its safe to assume that most people thought of a very nice lady

and then theres those who think shes a Russian spy, but meh

AAAAAACKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!! THE COMMIES ARE COMING!!!!!!!! THE COMMIES ARE COMING!!!!!!!!!! ARMS RACE!!!! GET THE NUKES!!!!!!!!
:sniper: :gundge: :mp5: :sniper: :gundge: :mp5:
DIE!!!!!!! OLGA!!!!!! DIE!!!!!!!!!




....sorry. I spazzed for a second. I'm sorry. I don't really want Olga to die- after all, she is handicapped. *blubbering at stupid mistake*:(

I don't work for the government, that means I can be a racist bigot. The Arab would be searched, interrogated, and then deported.
Fixed.

Also: I'd search the old woman. I refuse to believe an old woman in a wheelchair would want to ride on a plane. She's GOT to be someone in disguise.

Besides, that twenty-year old Arab man is probably my manager anyway.

Besides, that twenty-year old Arab man is probably my manager anyway.

Ooo. That does present a problem.

Besides, that twenty-year old Arab man is probably my manager anyway.
zing!

Okay, here's a question regarding Political Correctness vs Security. If you had to decide whether to "randomly" search an old woman in a wheelchair or a 20 year old Arab, which would you search? Assuming you can't search them both, for whatever reason.

Poll should be coming, if I don't fk anything up.
it would depend on which one I was asked to look for first. If both come in at the same time, I would assist the one that has the fewer people looking.

If you had to do a random search, then search every tenth person regardless of what she or he looked like.

If you're CHOOSING, it's not RANDOM.

Because it is not. A suspect requires a reasonable suspicion. Simply being of a particular ethnicity does not define you as suspect.
I love to see intelligence at work in an abstract sort of way. Instead of recommending public policy, wouldn't you rather work a sudoku instead?

If you had to do a random search, then search every tenth person regardless of what she or he looked like.

If you're CHOOSING, it's not RANDOM.

Yeah, but the question wasn't "if you had to decide whether to randomly search...", it was "if you had to decide whether to 'randomly' search..."

If you had to do a random search, then search every tenth person regardless of what she or he looked like.

If you're CHOOSING, it's not RANDOM.
ah, but if you choose to search the tenth person it's not exactly random either.

I'd search the ol' lady really carefully while having a colleague closely watch him standing next in line.

And then I'd search him. After all, it's randomn search, right? There's always enough time to search'em all if need be.

depends on what the search is for. If I'm airport security I search the young Arab male. If I'm a cop with a gang related homicide I search the young African American or Hispanic male. If I'm FBI tracking a serial killer who eats his victims genitals I search the middle aged white male.

depends on what the search is for. If I'm airport security I search the young Arab male. If I'm gang related homicide I search the young African American or Hispanic male. If I'm FBI tracking a serial killer who eats his victims genitals I search the middle aged white male.
And if it's Jessica Alba, you give her a strip search and a body cavity search.

And if it's Jessica Alba, you give her a strip search and a body cavity search.
Damn why did you have to metion her name.

My God she is the mold by which all beauty should be judged.

She makes my pants feel too small. :)

And if it's Jessica Alba, you give her a strip search and a body cavity search.
Give me Nicole de Boer, and maybe that'll apply.

Damn why did you have to metion her name.

My God she is the mold by which all beauty should be judged.

She makes my pants feel too small. :)

And you know you would give anything to be the TSA worker searching her...

Whoever complains more I search, just to spite them.

Give me Nicole de Boer, and maybe that'll apply.
I'll send her to your security station for searching.

It depends on which one has the name that I randomly picked out of a hat. Random searches seem to be better to me. After all, how long will it be before the terrorists catch on and start using little old ladies?

Now arriving at Psychotic Dan's security checkpoint...
http://www.celebopedia.com/alba/images/jessica_alba.jpg

sending this one over to Kyronea
http://mario.lapam.mo.it/ds9/gifs/NicoleDeBoer.jpg

Now arriving at Psychotic Dan's security checkpoint...
http://www.celebopedia.com/alba/images/jessica_alba.jpg
Oh, God...



Ooooohhhhhhh, God!!!!!!!!



I'm usually not a celeb worshipper, but MAN!

If the search is suppose to be random then I will flip a coin to decide.

Obviously the 20 year old, i don't think an old woman in a wheel chair is capable of any serious crime.

Oh, God...



Ooooohhhhhhh, God!!!!!!!!



I'm usually not a celeb worshipper, but MAN!
Mine's better than yours.

*Awaits the random user coming in and laughing/mocking us for this pathetic display.*

Why would I alone be doing the searching?

I'd search whoever my collegues didn't. Which, in all fairness, is likely to leave me with the woman.

Mine's better than yours.

*Awaits the random user coming in and laughing/mocking us for this pathetic display.*
Please!

http://cache.kotaku.com/gaming/jessica_alba_12.jpg
http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebs/jessicaalba/jessica_alba_3.jpg
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:EuGERU3RfvymiM:http://www.thesonsofscotland.co.uk/images/jessica%2520alba/Jessica_b4.jpg
http://lebris.cedric.free.fr/hidden/wallpapers/Jessica%20Alba%2001%20-%201280.jpg

Mine's better than yours.

*Awaits the random user coming in and laughing/mocking us for this pathetic display.*
mines better than both of yours

Okay, here's a question regarding Political Correctness vs Security. If you had to decide whether to "randomly" search an old woman in a wheelchair or a 20 year old Arab, which would you search? Assuming you can't search them both, for whatever reason.

Poll should be coming, if I don't fk anything up.
Does the old woman look Pakistani or Arab? In that case search both. If not, search the Arab. Sorry but I just don't imagine too many old white, black, Asian (not pakistani asian, but chinese-type asian) or native American ladies in wheelchairs blowing up a plane.

Does the old woman look Pakistani or Arab? In that case search both. If not, search the Arab. Sorry but I just don't imagine too many old white, black, Asian (not pakistani asian, but chinese-type asian) or native American ladies in wheelchairs blowing up a plane.
I do sure like rasist bias

I do sure like rasist bias
Surely if you're going to serach someone for explosives, it makes more sense to search the type of person who is more likely to be a terrorist?

Surely if you're going to serach someone for explosives, it makes more sense to search the type of person who is more likely to be a terrorist?
It could be either of them for all you know

the Arab man might be fliying to speak at a "Get rid of landmines" convention
while the old, kind, lady might be packing a lot of explosive in her wheelchair

It could be either of them for all you know

the Arab man might be fliying to speak at a "Get rid of landmines" convention
while the old, kind, lady might be packing a lot of explosive in her wheelchair
Of course it's possible. But I'm just thinking about what's most likely.

Of course it's possible. But I'm just thinking about what's most likely.
how many wheelchair-riding grannies have you seen on airplanes? I have seen none?

How many Arabs? I've seen lots

Sorry but I just don't imagine too many old white, black, Asian (not pakistani asian, but chinese-type asian) or native American ladies in wheelchairs blowing up a plane. That's what old ladies in wheelchairs want you to believe. They are evil.

how many wheelchair-riding grannies have you seen on airplanes? I have seen none?

How many Arabs? I've seen lots

Not in a predominantly white/black/hispanic country I don't. If there's THAT many arabs who need to use a plane, they need to move closer to wherever it is they keep going to. That way, they don't have to use the plane and we don't have this problem anymore.

Not in a predominantly white/black/hispanic country I don't. If there's THAT many arabs who need to use a plane, they need to move closer to wherever it is they keep going to. That way, they don't have to use the plane and we don't have this problem anymore.
what?

That logic dosent make sense, therefore, noone should ride on planes

I've seen lots of white people on planes, well, we shoudl throw them off, and they can go whereever they're going by car or train or boat or w/e

what?

That logic dosent make sense, therefore, noone should ride on planes

I've seen lots of white people on planes, well, we shoudl throw them off, and they can go whereever they're going by car or train or boat or w/e

I'm not too fond of planes anyway, really. I wouldn't mind.

If i was in charge, i would search EVERYBODY. flying is a luxury not a right. It might take a little longer but then nobody could complain about bias and security would be increased. I wouldnt mind arriving an hour earlier to the airport knowing that the chance of anything getting onto a plane would be greatly decreased.

Searching everybody would also mean that the little old lady with the chemical explosive under her wheelchair and the 20 year old arab man with the explosives in his shoes would have a lot harder time getting through.

If you dont want to have to wait for the additional security just remember that you Paid for this service, the airlines are taking Everybody's saftey into consideration instead of your impatiance and that if you dont like that, ride the train/boat. They could use the business and your trip would be alot more scenic.