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Whodunnit? Terror-Plot foiled in London. Who plotted?

BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 11:56
Poll coming.


http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c.php?leftnm=11&bKeyFlag=IN&autono=4113
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/10/uk.terror/index.html
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1230417,00.html

Whodunnit?

Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Christians, Jews, Wiccans, Atheists or maybe little green men?
Philosopy
10-08-2006, 11:59
'Muslims'? What, all of them?

Perhaps we ought to be locking up people with brown hair or Yorkshire accents next. Some of the 7/7 terrorists came from Leeds, you know.
The blessed Chris
10-08-2006, 12:00
Shit! Not the green men!:eek:

Much as I will be castigated as a racist stereotpying cad for this, they were Islamic, and, I daresay, ethnic minorities.

Why even raise the notion that Irish republucanism, or Combat 18, were responsible?
BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 12:01
'Muslims'? What, all of them?

Perhaps we ought to be locking up people with brown hair or Yorkshire accents next. Some of the 7/7 terrorists came from Leeds, you know.

Dreadfully sorry. I'm not asking whether or not all muslims were in some giant conspiracy.
I'm asking what the religious affiliation of the suspects was.
Not sure what the religious affiliation of little green men is, but those who vote for that should be able to give us some clue.
Philosopy
10-08-2006, 12:02
Dreadfully sorry. I'm not asking whether or not all muslims were in some giant conspiracy.
I'm asking what the religious affiliation of the suspects was.
I believe the former is implied by the very asking of the latter. What does it matter otherwise?
BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 12:04
I believe the former is implied by the very asking of the latter. What does it matter otherwise?

No reasonable person would deny that KKK-terrorism is done by white men.
With perhaps the odd white lass.

On the other hand, dancing about saying that maybe, just maybe, it was a group of disgruntled aboriginals is a smokescreen.
Aryavartha
10-08-2006, 12:04
That's easy. It's the P***s.
Safalra
10-08-2006, 12:06
Not sure what the religious affiliation of little green men is, but those who vote for that should be able to give us some clue.
Lilttle green men are tree-worshippers (see Kodama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kodama_%28spirit%29), which are kind of greenish).
BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 12:21
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4778575.stm

With thanks to Aryarvatha.
Lolicom
10-08-2006, 12:24
I was planning to fly out on holiday today. Sucks.
Teh_pantless_hero
10-08-2006, 12:27
That's easy. It's the P***s.
Penis?
German Nightmare
10-08-2006, 12:27
As far as I've heard and read, the plot was to mix liquid explosives smuggled onto the planes and then setting them off while in the air.

That would include blowing themselves up with the plane.

Now I might be mistaken, but there are only very few people who come to mind who'd be willing to die during that strike - and that doesn't look too good for some misguided members of the muslim faith, now does it?
Psychotic Mongooses
10-08-2006, 12:34
Does it matter?

A groups of people who thought they could link themselves to AQ and become heroes.

Big deal. Thats why we have bag screenings for hand luggage at airports. Excuse me for not stopping my everyday life for this.
Cabra West
10-08-2006, 12:43
Poll coming.


http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c.php?leftnm=11&bKeyFlag=IN&autono=4113
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/10/uk.terror/index.html
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1230417,00.html

Whodunnit?

Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Christians, Jews, Wiccans, Atheists or maybe little green men?


Criminals.
I don't care about their denomination.
Rubiconic Crossings
10-08-2006, 12:44
Penis?

Paki's

It seems Aryavartha is a bit of a nationalist/racist. Of course in true racist/nationalist cowardly fashion he uses the ***'s to hide his purile language.

Shame really. Pity he does not have the guts to stand up for his convictions.
Neu Leonstein
10-08-2006, 12:46
Same as the London Bombings - British born, somewhat troubled kids turning to religion for guidance, meeting the wrong sort of religious teachers and ending up something you can only do when you're young and you don't give a shit.

And yes, obviously Muslim.
Keruvalia
10-08-2006, 12:58
*shakes fist at damn dirty Wiccans*
Soviestan
10-08-2006, 13:01
The Jews. The Jews are responsible for all the terrorism in the w....Hey Mel Gibson, give me my computer back. Sorry about that guys:D No but seriously it was Muslims, or flying monkeys. Haven't figured out which yet.
ConscribedComradeship
10-08-2006, 13:03
Anyone else think that the press conference, which stole morning television from me, was infuriatingly vague? And the policeman on the left was annoying enough for all of them.
Rubiconic Crossings
10-08-2006, 13:06
Anyone else think that the press conference, which stole morning television from me, was infuriatingly vague? And the policeman on the left was annoying enough for all of them.

What? 'Dr' Reid?
Neu Leonstein
10-08-2006, 13:08
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bojinka
Airline bombing plot
The next plan would have involved at least five Al-Qaeda operatives, including Yousef, Khan, Shah and two more unknown operatives. Starting on January 21, 1995 and ending on January 22, 1995, they would set the bombs on 11 United States-bound airliners that had stopovers all around East Asia and Southeast Asia. All of the flights had two legs. The bombs would be planted inside life jackets under seats on the first leg, when each bomber would disembark. He would then board one or two more flights and repeat. After all of the bombers planted bombs on all of the flights, each man would then catch flights to Lahore, Pakistan. The men never needed U.S. visas, as they only would have stayed on the planes on their first legs in Asia.

United States airlines had been chosen instead of Asian airlines to maximize the shock toward Americans. The flights targeted were listed under operatives with codenames: "Zyed", "Majbos", "Markoa", "Mirqas" and "Obaid". Obaid, who was really Abdul Hakim Murad, was to hit United flight 80, and then he was to go back to Singapore under another United flight which he would bomb. [1] [12] [13]

Zyed, probably Ramzi Yousef, was to hit Northwest Flight 30, a United Flight going from Taipei to Honolulu, and a United Flight going from Bangkok to Taipei to San Francisco [1] [16]

The bombs would have been timed before the operatives stepped off the planes. The aircraft would have blown up over the Pacific Ocean and the South China Sea almost simultaneously. If this plan worked, several thousand would have perished, and air travel would have been shut down worldwide for days, if not weeks. The U.S. government estimated the prospective death toll to be about 4,000 if the plot had been executed.
A hint perhaps, to all those who're a little bit blind.
ConscribedComradeship
10-08-2006, 13:09
What? 'Dr' Reid?

Well it wasn't John Reid, nor Douglas Alexander.
Aryavartha
10-08-2006, 13:18
Paki's

It seems Aryavartha is a bit of a nationalist/racist. Of course in true racist/nationalist cowardly fashion he uses the ***'s to hide his purile language.

Shame really. Pity he does not have the guts to stand up for his convictions.

:rolleyes:

OMG!!HECALLEDMERACIST!!!!#11
Rubiconic Crossings
10-08-2006, 13:18
Well it wasn't John Reid, nor Douglas Alexander.

Yeah...I thought you had typed 'wannabe policeman' :p
Rubiconic Crossings
10-08-2006, 13:20
:rolleyes:

OMG!!HECALLEDMERACIST!!!!#11

And a troll to boot! ;)
Waveny
10-08-2006, 13:21
There is of course the chance that it is none of the above, as it may be a fabrication by the government to force through more draconian anti-terror laws. I’m not normally this cynical but when it comes to the Labour government it’s rather hard not to be.
Intestinal fluids
10-08-2006, 13:26
Does it matter?

A groups of people who thought they could link themselves to AQ and become heroes.

Big deal. Thats why we have bag screenings for hand luggage at airports. Excuse me for not stopping my everyday life for this.

Thats mighty egocentric of you. The whole POINT of a planned terrorist attack is to BYPASS and outsmart the screening process. If this plot had been sucessful it could have killed a thousand people. Would you care more if you traveled every week overseas for your job or whatever?
Rubiconic Crossings
10-08-2006, 13:33
There is of course the chance that it is none of the above, as it may be a fabrication by the government to force through more draconian anti-terror laws. I’m not normally this cynical but when it comes to the Labour government it’s rather hard not to be.

:tinfoil hat:

I know the Rev Smiler is a bit of a whack job....but no...this is the same kind of nutty conspiracy stuff that gathered around the tragic day of 11/9/2001.
Swilatia
10-08-2006, 13:49
this is all a government lie.
Harlesburg
10-08-2006, 13:51
The Jews.
No Public poll. :(
BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 14:28
And a troll to boot! ;)

Yeah - whatever it takes to avoid the inferment that it was a bunch of muslims who tried terror again...
Teh_pantless_hero
10-08-2006, 14:31
I vote the people doing it were Curious George, Little Orphan Annie, Madeline, Sideshow Bob, Cartman, Bugs Bunny, and the rest of those devious characters.
Meath Street
10-08-2006, 14:32
Poll coming.


http://www.business-standard.com/common/storypage_c.php?leftnm=11&bKeyFlag=IN&autono=4113
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/10/uk.terror/index.html
http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1230417,00.html

Whodunnit?

Muslims, Hindus, Buddists, Christians, Jews, Wiccans, Atheists or maybe little green men?
Terrorists.

Penis?
The Big One is a rising threat that will attack prematurely.
BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 14:34
Terrorists.


The Big One is a rising threat that will attack prematurely.

Marvelous, Doctor.
His wallet was emptied by - thieves.
Which ones? Which gang?
Rubiconic Crossings
10-08-2006, 14:35
Yeah - whatever it takes to avoid the inferment that it was a bunch of muslims who tried terror again...

Well I'd rather deal with facts rather than inference...and I would point out that I have never denied that these nutters are using Islam or their own corrupted version of Islam to justify their evil.

But at the end of the day they are criminals and need to be viewed as such...otherwise it lends (mistaken) moral support to their evil as well.
Meath Street
10-08-2006, 14:36
Marvelous, Doctor.
His wallet was emptied by - thieves.
Which ones? Which gang?
Al-Qaeda... it says so in the report. This thread is rather redundant.
BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 14:41
Al-Qaeda... it says so in the report. This thread is rather redundant.

It ought to be redundant. You're right there. It should be redundant.

But it ain't redundant when there's some 45% hiding behind sophistries that maybe, just maybe, it was little green men. Or the Jews. Or Buddhists. Or Wiccans.

Even as reports stream in, we got folks arguing that you can't say it was muslim terrorists. For it might actually be a group of born-again christians of Sinhalese extraction, right?
BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 14:47
Well I'd rather deal with facts rather than inference...and I would point out that I have never denied that these nutters are using Islam or their own corrupted version of Islam to justify their evil.

But at the end of the day they are criminals and need to be viewed as such...otherwise it lends (mistaken) moral support to their evil as well.


At the end of the day, our resources need to be employed at eradicating foundamentalists.
And at the end of the day, we're not going to find foundamentalists in a wiccan coven.
And at the end of the day, we're going to make judgement-calls.
And at the end of the day, those judgement-calls are dead-right.

Denouncing that as racism *cough* canuckheaven *cough* is at the end of day, nothing but an attempt to cover up.
Intestinal fluids
10-08-2006, 14:50
this is all a government lie.

Cite?
Airenia
10-08-2006, 15:00
Cite?

you'll have to wait while he dons the rubber glove :D
Swilatia
10-08-2006, 15:02
Cite?
what in facks sake do you mean?
Rubiconic Crossings
10-08-2006, 15:02
At the end of the day, our resources need to be employed at eradicating foundamentalists.
And at the end of the day, we're not going to find foundamentalists in a wiccan coven.
And at the end of the day, we're going to make judgement-calls.
And at the end of the day, those judgement-calls are dead-right.

Denouncing that as racism *cough* canuckheaven *cough* is at the end of day, nothing but an attempt to cover up.

Good call on my use of a tired cliché...its the football fan part of my personality LOL

Regarding the eradicating of fundementalists...would that include those of other faiths besides Islam?

Yes you will find fundimentalists in a wiccan coven. I sadly speak from experience. (and no...I am not a wiccan...I am an atheist)

The judgement calls are not being made by us but rather by our politicians...who have or are involved in vested interests from staying in power or that lucrative 'lecture tour' deal to the boards of organisations that will keep them in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

However these judgement calls are not right. A case in point being our involvement in Iraq.

Not racism no. Fallacy perhaps?
Airenia
10-08-2006, 15:05
what in facks sake do you mean?

wheres your evidence that its a Government plot, other than your own opinion
Swilatia
10-08-2006, 15:07
wheres your evidence that its a Government plot, other than your own opinion
i said it is a government lie. there is no terrorist plot.
Psychotic Mongooses
10-08-2006, 15:08
It ought to be redundant. You're right there. It should be redundant.

But it ain't redundant when there's some 45% hiding behind sophistries that maybe, just maybe, it was little green men. Or the Jews. Or Buddhists. Or Wiccans.

Even as reports stream in, we got folks arguing that you can't say it was muslim terrorists. For it might actually be a group of born-again christians of Sinhalese extraction, right?
Why does it matter what religion they are?
They're criminals and the law is (supposedly) blind.
Airenia
10-08-2006, 15:11
i said it is a government lie. there is no terrorist plot.

how about responding to the actual question put before you instead of nitpicking? :headbang:
Swilatia
10-08-2006, 15:13
how about responding to the actual question put before you instead nitpicking? :headbang:
the evidence is that "ties to al-qaeda are metioned. al-qaeda does not exist and never has.
BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 15:46
the evidence is that "ties to al-qaeda are metioned. al-qaeda does not exist and never has.

uh-Huh. Have you been to Rosswell?
Rubiconic Crossings
10-08-2006, 15:59
the evidence is that "ties to al-qaeda are metioned. al-qaeda does not exist and never has.

LOL oh dear...lay off the Vodka dudester!
BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 16:08
LOL oh dear...lay off the Vodka dudester!

*offers Rubicon a can of Carling*+
*opens one too*
Meath Street
10-08-2006, 16:13
But it ain't redundant when there's some 45% hiding behind sophistries that maybe, just maybe, it was little green men. Or the Jews. Or Buddhists. Or Wiccans.

Even as reports stream in, we got folks arguing that you can't say it was muslim terrorists. For it might actually be a group of born-again christians of Sinhalese extraction, right?
Correct, it's just bloody illogical what CanuckHeaven and others are saying.
Rubiconic Crossings
10-08-2006, 16:13
*offers Rubicon a can of Carling*+
*opens one too*

ummm...in one thread you are castigating me and in another yer offering beer...

Now I am confused! LOL

Rather have a Abbot...I really can't hack Carling...I don't like the aftertaste...

but...

what the hell...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/vonbek/cheers.gif
Intestinal fluids
10-08-2006, 17:38
What kind of poll doesnt include Canadians as a potential suspect ?!
The blessed Chris
10-08-2006, 17:41
i said it is a government lie. there is no terrorist plot.

You're funny:)

Incidentally, you wouldn't happen to have any of, whats it called again, that evidence thingy, would you?
BogMarsh
10-08-2006, 17:45
What kind of poll doesnt include Canadians as a potential suspect ?!

A lack of ice-rinks and mooses within airplanes.
Hence, we rule out Canadians as suspects.
Blood has been shed
10-08-2006, 17:46
the evidence is that "ties to al-qaeda are metioned. al-qaeda does not exist and never has.

Its true, the Koran was written by the American government as well!!
The Niaman
10-08-2006, 18:14
A lack of ice-rinks and mooses within airplanes.
Hence, we rule out Canadians as suspects.

But what about their funny accents?
Deep Kimchi
10-08-2006, 18:17
the evidence is that "ties to al-qaeda are metioned. al-qaeda does not exist and never has.
Make sure you tell Osama that. And Zacharias Moussaoui. And Richard Reid.

And John "Taliban" Walker.