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http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/10/uk.terror/index.html

There wasn't a thread on this yet so I started one.

The Islamic terror threat is alive and well despite the fact that some people continually deny its existance.

Just a thought, does anyone think this is connected to the 11 missing students? I mean a terror group would likely want simultaneous attacks.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/10/uk.terror/index.html

The Islamic terror threat is alive and well despite the fact that some people continually deny its existance.
Where does it say anything about Islam in that article or Muslim or anything connected to the religion or people?

Unless you have another link, I think you are showing your prejudice?

Where does it say anything about Islam in that article or Muslim or anything connected to the religion or people?

Unless you have another link, I think you are showing your prejudice?
Excuse me for jumping to conclusions, but I will bet a good sum of money it's Islamic terrorism. After all, attacking airliners is their MO.

No mention of Islamic terrorists on the BBC, it is just reporting the known FACTS at the moment. It might be Irish Republicans or animal rights nut-bars or anti capitalists...anti war....

Excuse me for jumping to conclusions, but I will bet a good sum of money it's Islamic terrorism. After all, attacking airliners is their MO.
Ah, so you admit to jumping the gun. It would appear that your hatred runs deep? You still have time to edit your post until you actually get something substantial, like facts?

No mention of Islamic terrorists on the BBC, it is just reporting the known FACTS at the moment. It might be Irish Republicans or animal rights nut-bars or anti capitalists...anti war....
the IRA wouldn't do this. They are bad, but they don't go after mass civilian targets. This has Al-Qaeda written all over it. This plot is eerily similar to the late 90s one where they would simultaneously blow up 20 trans-Pacific flights.

Ah, so you admit to jumping the gun. It would appear that your hatred runs deep? You still have time to edit your post until you actually get something substantial, like facts?
I may be jumping the gun, but I would bet a whole lot of money at Vegas that I'm right.

I've been amused by the pains the UK newsanchors have been going to not to mention Islam in their reports on this.

The wince on on womans face on the BBC when a pundit mentioned Islamic extremists after she'd very carfully phrased a question was priceless.

I've been amused by the pains the UK newsanchors have been going to not to mention Islam in their reports on this.

The wince on on womans face on the BBC when a pundit mentioned Islamic extremists after she'd very carfully phrased a question was priceless.
Political correctness is a bitch. I know I'm right. I'll eat my words if I'm wrong, but I can say it's safe I won't have to.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1230417,00.html
Brunt said the threat was thought to be imminent and those arrested were mainly young, British-born Asian men

Must be those damned Burmese. :rolleyes:

I may be jumping the gun, but I would bet a whole lot of money at Vegas that I'm right.
Sorry but your credibility meter just zeroed out.

Sorry but your credibility meter just zeroed out.
Skynews seems to be now backing me up. What was that about my credibility?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1230417,00.html


Must be those damned Burmese. :rolleyes:
Asian, just like the NYT described the people in the Canadian plot. LOL

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-1230417,00.html

Must be those damned Burmese. :rolleyes:
Well now, it does appear that we are getting somewhere.

BTW, had I placed a money wager, I'd be collecting the dough right now.

It's hard being right all the time.:p

the IRA wouldn't do this. They are bad, but they don't go after mass civilian targets. This has Al-Qaeda written all over it. This plot is eerily similar to the late 90s one where they would simultaneously blow up 20 trans-Pacific flights.


ummmmm the IRA blew up Manchester and they blew up a load of people at a remembrance day parade and they planted nail bombs in Hyde park and blew up men and horses and band members (these were military, but it was a public park and people go and watch this stuff in London you know) they used to bomb London and they blew up a hotel in Brighton..Not that I think it is them actually, but couldnt let that go.

Skynews seems to be now backing me up. What was that about my credibility?
You are grasping at straws.

British born Asians = / = Islamic terrorists.

Or are all Asians Islamic and terrorists?

BTW, had I placed a money wager, I'd be collecting the dough right now.

It's hard being right all the time.:p
How do you figure you are right?

You are grasping at straws.

British born Asians = / = Islamic terrorists.

Or are all Asians Islamic and terrorists?


I love you Canuck, lets be friends...I already have one Canuck upstairs in my bed....actually that sounds terrible....I just mean I like your style and agree with you.

Is that better and less sleazy?

You are grasping at straws.

British born Asians = / = Islamic terrorists.

Or are all Asians Islamic and terrorists?
No, but I find it ironic that the NYT described the Islamic extremists arrested in the Canada plot as "South East Asians."

The media is just playing PC games right now. Not all Asians are Islamic, but I don't believe in coincidences.

I'm watching Sky News and they just said they are "British Born Muslims."

How do you figure you are right?
Sky News just confirmed it on TV. Put the TV on. They said "British Born Muslims."

Asian, just like the NYT described the people in the Canadian plot. LOL

Don't you know that it could be the people from Laos/Mongolia/Kazakhstan/Nepal doing this....:p

10 bucks says that most of the suspects are P*** (or south Asian of a particular faith which shall not be named). But no, how can the name of the tightest ally be tarnished...hence the catch-all word "Asian".

They've closed Heathrow to all incoming flights not already in the air....just breaking on the Beeb....

They've closed Heathrow to all incoming flights not already in the air....just breaking on the Beeb....
I'm watching too. They are also telling people to not bother traveling to the airport. Pretty shocking. They caught these people in the nick of time.

Funny thing is that just today people were bitching about Britains anti-terror laws.

Sky News just confirmed it on TV. Put the TV on. They said "British Born Muslims."
There is no need to. Your credibility was busted on your first post. Whether your assumption was right or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is your obvious prejudice.

Beebs also saying alot of foreign airlines have cancelled flights to the UK not already in the air.

The terrorists have managed to seriously disrupt britain without killing a single person. Not ideal but a step in the right direction I suppose.

There is no need to. Your credibility was busted on your first post. Whether your assumption was right or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is your obvious prejudice.
I made a conclusion given the MO and information available. I was 100% right. It's not my fault that 99% of all global terrorism today is the work of Islamic terrorist groups.

I'm watching too. They are also telling people to not bother traveling to the airport. Pretty shocking. They caught these people in the nick of time.

Funny thing is that just today people were bitching about Britains anti-terror laws.

You have your wires crossed mate, this isn't a nick of time thing, it's an operation thats been going on for months. They just decided to arrest them today. The airport closures are due to a backup of aircraft on the ground without berths due to outgoing flights being delayed by the stricter security.

You have your wires crossed mate, this isn't a nick of time thing, it's an operation thats been going on for months. They just decided to arrest them today. The airport closures are due to a backup of aircraft on the ground without berths due to outgoing flights being delayed by the stricter security.
you're probably right there.

I made a conclusion given the MO and information available. I was 100% right. It's not my fault that 99% of all global terrorism today is the work of Islamic terrorist groups.
I guess the war on terrorism isn't working then?

BTW, can you support your 99% claim?

I guess the war on terrorism isn't working then?

BTW, can you support your 99% claim?
Check this link out (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2005.htm)
It doesn't have an exact percentage, but this will give you a clear picture.

I love you Canuck, lets be friends...I already have one Canuck upstairs in my bed....actually that sounds terrible....I just mean I like your style and agree with you.

Is that better and less sleazy?
Thanks for the compliment. :)

It is always nice to make more friends!!

Check this link out (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2005.htm)
It doesn't have an exact percentage, but this will give you a clear picture.

That site is bollox and you know it, I know you know it because I've seen threads where it you pointed out to you.

Crime by a muslim =/= terrorism

That site is bollox and you know it, I know you know it because I've seen threads where it you pointed out to you.

Crime by a muslim =/= terrorism
When it is a person using an AK to shoot a crowd in a market, then it clearly is

Check this link out (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2005.htm)
It doesn't have an exact percentage, but this will give you a clear picture.
Now, what does that tell you?

Now, what does that tell you?

What it tells ME is that IDF is believing all the garbage spouted by the American governments media machine to justify the deaths of young American servicemen and women in the pursuit of a bogus and illegal 'war'

When it is a person using an AK to shoot a crowd in a market, then it clearly is

...

http://www.answers.com/topic/terrorism


A shooting is not neccisarily terrorism. It could be that someone just went off the deep end, simply put.

When it is a person using an AK to shoot a crowd in a market, then it clearly is


I hope you are joking?


If not...why? I'm sure muslim's snap occasionally, just like people of all faiths and heritages. Ummm...ever heard the phrase "Going Postal?" And also...An AK is quite simply a very easy weapon to get, and it is effective.



EDIT: Beaten to it. Damn you, United Chicken Klepto's!!!!!:p

What it tells ME is that IDF is believing all the garbage spouted by the American governments media machine to justify the deaths of young American servicemen and women in the pursuit of a bogus and illegal 'war'
It also tells me that the war on terror has made worldwide terrorism worse.

Not one American soldier should have died in Iraq. Invading Iraq has been equivalent to poking a hornets nest, and Afghanistan is starting to heat up again. There is a constant stream of Canadians coming home in body bags.

Check this link out (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks-2005.htm)
It doesn't have an exact percentage, but this will give you a clear picture.

Ummm....I notice nary a mention of the Nepalese Communist Party (Maoist) in that list...

In fact that list is only about Islamic attacks...so yes by that list all terror is committed by Islamics...which is a load of bullshit. See above re Nepal.

or these Hindu groups -

Shiv Sena
Vishwa Hindu Parishad
Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh

or how about some Christian groups like...

Army of God
Nagaland Rebels
Lord's Resistance Army
God's Army
National Liberation Front of Tripura

How about Sikhs?

Bhinderanwala Tiger Force of Khalistan
Khalistan Liberation Front

Or the

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam

What about

ETA

Or

Aryan Nations
Combat 18

or

FLNA

Just a thought, does anyone think this is connected to the 11 missing students? I mean a terror group would likely want simultaneous attacks.
Do I think that these terror raids in Britain are connected to 11 missing Egyptians in America?

I'm going to go out on a limb now and say no.

I will feel more comfortable with our 'war on terror' when we produce a bit more evidence. The last raids in London left one person shot, no evidence what so ever and a very upset community who will never trust the police again.
I wonder how many charges will result from the latest arrests?

Ummm....
Wouldn't most Aryan groups be considered Christian? All the ones near mean seem to be a crazy off-shoot of Christianity.

Wouldn't most Aryan groups be considered Christian? All the ones near mean seem to be a crazy off-shoot of Christianity.

I'd have thought Christian Terror group to be an oxymoron as well! :)

No idea...all I know is that they are not Islamic...and if you look at say the Congo where MILLIONS have perished....well it puts this current spat in the Mid East into perspective...

-snip-

I didn't bother with that link, but does it even mention Timothy McVeigh? Mastermind of the USA's second most deadly terrorist attack ever?

Ummm....I notice nary a mention of the Nepalese Communist Party (Maoist) in that list...

In fact that list is only about Islamic attacks...so yes by that list all terror is committed by Islamics...which is a load of bullshit. See above re Nepal.

or these Hindu groups -

Shiv Sena
Vishwa Hindu Parishad
Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh

or how about some Christian groups like...

Army of God
Nagaland Rebels
Lord's Resistance Army
God's Army
National Liberation Front of Tripura

How about Sikhs?

Bhinderanwala Tiger Force of Khalistan
Khalistan Liberation Front

Or the

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam

What about

ETA

Or

Aryan Nations
Combat 18

or

FLNA

And watch him cop out with "But They Don't Behead People!!"

Do I think that these terror raids in Britain are connected to 11 missing Egyptians in America?

I'm going to go out on a limb now and say no.
Besides, last I heard several of those guys turned themselves in when they heard they were being searched for.

Ummm....I notice nary a mention of the Nepalese Communist Party (Maoist) in that list...

In fact that list is only about Islamic attacks...so yes by that list all terror is committed by Islamics...which is a load of bullshit. See above re Nepal.

or these Hindu groups -

Shiv Sena
Vishwa Hindu Parishad
Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh

or how about some Christian groups like...

Army of God
Nagaland Rebels
Lord's Resistance Army
God's Army
National Liberation Front of Tripura

How about Sikhs?

Bhinderanwala Tiger Force of Khalistan
Khalistan Liberation Front

Or the

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam

What about

ETA

Or

Aryan Nations
Combat 18

or

FLNA

forgot a few:
George Bush, the worlds number 1 terrorist worse than Adolf Hitler
Republican Party, equal to the nazi party
white, heterosexual christian conservative white men

lol...it is the P***s. I am guessing LeT + Hizbut Tahrir in the background.

Could be wrong...let's see...

Good on them for stopping it.

I don't think anyone is denying the existence of a certain level of threat though. People just differ in how much they let that threat rule their lives.

And watch him cop out with "But They Don't Behead People!!"

well I can understand his point...but terror is not only killing and maiming but also the threat of such...

forgot a few:
George Bush, the worlds number 1 terrorist worse than Adolf Hitler
Republican Party, equal to the nazi party
white, heterosexual christian conservative white men

1 - crap

2 - crap

3 - crap

Good on them for stopping it.

I don't think anyone is denying the existence of a certain level of threat though. People just differ in how much they let that threat rule their lives.

Absolutely...if it is 'true'.... can't help but think of Forest Gate...

But rather safe than sorry....

Primarily, bloody good show by the intelligence services.

Secondly, why on earth aren't the would be traitors publically hung?

Primarily, bloody good show by the intelligence services.

Secondly, why on earth aren't the would be traitors publically hung?
Well, I'd hold fire on both points there if I were you, given the recent form of the Intellegence Services in shooting the wrong people and then calling them paedophiles in an attempt to cover their embarrassment.

Well, I'd hold fire on both points there if I were you, given the recent form of the Intellegence Services in shooting the wrong people and then calling them paedophiles in an attempt to cover their embarrassment.

They actually do appear to have done rather well in this case, however.

As for the second point, it would be undeniably effective.

Primarily, bloody good show by the intelligence services.

Secondly, why on earth aren't the would be traitors publically hung?

Because there is no death penalty in the UK and they have not killed anyone...

As for the second point, it would be undeniably effective.
Yes, you're right; it would be highly effective at martyring them and showing ourselves to be no better than them.

Because there is no death penalty in the UK and they have not killed anyone...

If you conducted a public poll, I should imagine the majority would endorse public executions for would-be terrorists.

If you conducted a public poll, I should imagine the majority would endorse public executions for would-be terrorists.
Then thank God we're not a democracy.

Yes, you're right; it would be highly effective at martyring them and showing ourselves to be no better than them.

As opposed to a "life sentence" presumably?:rolleyes:

If you conducted a public poll, I should imagine the majority would endorse public executions for would-be terrorists.

And if you conducted a public, I should imagine the majority would endorse a much lower level of taxation.

Well now, it does appear that we are getting somewhere.

And you could not see that coming from the first instant?

Dreadfully sorry, but you were responding like a certain former Spanish PM.
'Maybe it was the ETA?'

And if you conducted a public, I should imagine the majority would endorse a much lower level of taxation.

Not my problem. Admittedly such inherently Athenian practices as demagoguic rule are flawed, however, in the context of potential mass murder, public opinion ought to be considered. Indeed, if the mainstream parties fail to appreciate this, I daresay the extremist elements of politics will.

You are grasping at straws.

British born Asians = / = Islamic terrorists.

Or are all Asians Islamic and terrorists?

When you're talking about Asians in the UK, which is, following UK-parlance, you're talking about Pakistanis etc, and not Koreans or Siberians.

When you are talking about Pakistanis etc, you've a 95-99% probability that yuo're talking about muslims.

When you're talking about folks who do hijacking, you're talking about terrorists.

Not my problem. Admittedly such inherently Athenian practices as demagoguic rule are flawed, however, in the context of potential mass murder, public opinion ought to be considered. Indeed, if the mainstream parties fail to appreciate this, I daresay the extremist elements of politics will.

If it is not your problem then kindly STFU.

Where does it say anything about Islam in that article or Muslim or anything connected to the religion or people?

Unless you have another link, I think you are showing your prejudice?

LOL!

Nobody is as mad as Muslim people! Terror is always made by muslims.
This is not a prejudice as left people say, it's a fact.

Allah :mp5:
Muslim Terrorists :sniper:

If it is not your problem then kindly STFU.

Bad form.

What would be inherently wrong with adopting NKVD tactics at present?

When you're talking about Asians in the UK, which is, following UK-parlance, you're talking about Pakistanis etc, and not Koreans or Siberians.

When you are talking about Pakistanis etc, you've a 95-99% probability that yuo're talking about muslims.

When you're talking about folks who do hijacking, you're talking about terrorists.

errrr.....Pakistani's etc? Are you seriously including Indians and Kashmiries in that rather silly sweeping generalisation???

Indians being predominantly Hindu these days and Kashmiries being mainly Sikh...

errrr.....Pakistani's etc? Are you seriously including Indians and Kashmiries in that rather silly sweeping generalisation???

Indians being predominantly Hindu these days and Kashmiries being mainly Sikh...

Well, when we're talking about Hindus, we're unlikely to be talking about terrorists, are we? So you're being irrelevant. I think we CAN safely take it for granted that we were not talking about Indian Hindus - nor Bangladeshi's for that matter...

You're putting up another smokescreen, thus endangering national security.

Bad form.

What would be inherently wrong with adopting NKVD tactics at present?

No. What is bad form is you making comments about this situation and then saying that well actually its got nothing to do with me but listen to what I am saying. That is bad form. So unless you are willing to deal with this then you do not say 'not my problem'.

Not my problem. Admittedly such inherently Athenian practices as demagoguic rule are flawed, however, in the context of potential mass murder, public opinion ought to be considered. Indeed, if the mainstream parties fail to appreciate this, I daresay the extremist elements of politics will.

Nothing should be decided in heat or hatred.

And, thankfully, unlike certain other countries, we've done away with the barbarous practice of state-sanctioned murder. At least for criminals, funny-looking foreigners seem to be fair game in their own countries. Bloody Blair.

Well, when we're talking about Hindus, we're unlikely to be talking about terrorists, are we? So you're being irrelevant. I think we CAN safely take it for granted that we were not talking about Indian Hindus - nor Bangladeshi's for that matter...

You're putting up another smokescreen, thus endangering national security.

Ok come on...you made a silly sweeping comment equating all Asians to be mainly from Pakistan and therefore Muslims. I called you on that and now you are engaging in invective rather than admitting to a mistake.

As for Hindi terror groups -

Shiv Sena
Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh

and its spin off

Vishwa Hindu Parishad

there are also a number of extremist political parties such as the Bharatiya Janata Party who are definately not Muslim friendly.

Bangladesh? Do you not mean Kashmir? After all that is the other state I mentioned. Or is that you know that there are terror groups on both sides that are active in that region and you are using Bangladesh as a smokescreen for your own shortcomings/failure?

No. What is bad form is you making comments about this situation and then saying that well actually its got nothing to do with me but listen to what I am saying. That is bad form. So unless you are willing to deal with this then you do not say 'not my problem'.

I rather think I did adress it through a discussion, admittedly short, of the dangers of demagoguery.

Nothing should be decided in heat or hatred.

And, thankfully, unlike certain other countries, we've done away with the barbarous practice of state-sanctioned murder. At least for criminals, funny-looking foreigners seem to be fair game in their own countries. Bloody Blair.

Moron. How would you, assuming those arrested are guilty, deal with them?

Indians being predominantly Hindu these days and Kashmiries being mainly Sikh...

India has 12-15% muslims and a sizable south Asian muslim immigrant population in UK is Indian. Until now there has been no incidents involving muslims of Indian descent, but it won't be like that forever due to increasing radicalisation and the reach of P*** based jihadi orgs.

Kashmir is not "mainly Sikh". It is muslims majority (absolute majority in Kashmir province and overall majority in Jammu and Kashmir state) with hindus next (majority in Jammu province) and then buddhists (majority in Ladakh province) and then Sikhs (a sprinkling here and there).

I rather think I did adress it through a discussion, admittedly short, of the dangers of demagoguery.

What by starting off your statement by saying 'not my problem'????

good grief!

What by starting off your statement by saying 'not my problem'????

good grief!

Ok. I apologise, that may not have been the most prudent of statements.

However, omitting that statements, I adress the issue.

Now please do inform me as to why an NKVD style force would be unfeasible at present.

Ok come on...you made a silly sweeping comment equating all Asians to be mainly from Pakistan and therefore Muslims. I called you on that and now you are engaging in invective rather than admitting to a mistake.

As for Hindi terror groups -

Shiv Sena
Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh

and its spin off

Vishwa Hindu Parishad

there are also a number of extremist political parties such as the Bharatiya Janata Party who are definately not Muslim friendly.

Bangladesh? Do you not mean Kashmir? After all that is the other state I mentioned. Or is that you know that there are terror groups on both sides that are active in that region and you are using Bangladesh as a smokescreen for your own shortcomings/failure?


And what do Hindu 'terror'-groups or the BJP have to do with terrorism in the UK?

More smokescreens by the doves....

As for Hindi terror groups -

Shiv Sena
Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh

and its spin off

Vishwa Hindu Parishad

there are also a number of extremist political parties such as the Bharatiya Janata Party who are definately not Muslim friendly.

Bangladesh? Do you not mean Kashmir? After all that is the other state I mentioned. Or is that you know that there are terror groups on both sides that are active in that region

Nonsense.

Shiv Sena is based only in Maharashtra state. It is a political party. They are admittedly right wing. RSS and VHP are non-political orgs which are also right wing.

Where your nonsensical analogy fails is that none of these orgs carry out terror attacks outside the country. They do not enlist and arm Pakistani hindus to carry out terror attacks in Pakistan.

Added later: Their problem is participating in hindu-muslim rioting which is an internal issue and I fail to see why it is relevant here.

and you are using Bangladesh as a smokescreen for your own shortcomings/failure?

Bangladesh is fast becoming an islamist base, if not already one. Some of the recent terror attacks in India had a Bangladeshi hand in it (either training / transit facilities there and in some cases even a Bangladeshi citizen involved).

There is a sizeable BD muslim immigrant population in UK. It would be naive to think that somehow BD muslims are immune to radicalisation in UK.

Ummm....I notice nary a mention of the Nepalese Communist Party (Maoist) in that list...

In fact that list is only about Islamic attacks...so yes by that list all terror is committed by Islamics...which is a load of bullshit. See above re Nepal.

or these Hindu groups -

Shiv Sena
Vishwa Hindu Parishad
Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh

or how about some Christian groups like...

Army of God
Nagaland Rebels
Lord's Resistance Army
God's Army
National Liberation Front of Tripura

How about Sikhs?

Bhinderanwala Tiger Force of Khalistan
Khalistan Liberation Front

Or the

Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam

What about

ETA

Or

Aryan Nations
Combat 18

or

FLNA


I though IDF said global terrorism.:rolleyes:

I dunno about others, but the Indian groups you mentioned (RSS, VHP, SS, Khalistanis, Christian militant groups of NE India etc) have not carried out any attacks outside the country. Not even the LTTE has done that.

India has 12-15% muslims and a sizable south Asian muslim immigrant population in UK is Indian. Until now there has been no incidents involving muslims of Indian descent, but it won't be like that forever due to increasing radicalisation and the reach of P*** based jihadi orgs.

Kashmir is not "mainly Sikh". It is muslims majority (absolute majority in Kashmir province and overall majority in Jammu and Kashmir state) with hindus next (majority in Jammu province) and then buddhists (majority in Ladakh province) and then Sikhs (a sprinkling here and there).

Your first paragraph - No arguement from me on that...at all. Obviously I hope it does not happen. However India is mainly a Hindu country.

Second paragraph - You are right! My mistake. I had always associated the Kashmir Valley as being Sikh! Every day is a learning day...thanks for putting me straight on this.

I know know it is the Punjab where most Sikhs live...

Ok. I apologise, that may not have been the most prudent of statements.

However, omitting that statements, I adress the issue.

Now please do inform me as to why an NKVD style force would be unfeasible at present.

Because we do not live in a total police state....yet.

Also because most Brits would not sanction the levels of violence that the NKVD or even KGB 'indulged' in.

And what do Hindu 'terror'-groups or the BJP have to do with terrorism in the UK?

More smokescreens by the doves....

Well fund raising for one.

Also I am not a dove. But you are more than welcome to jump to conclusions if you wish. That is an ignorant persons perogative after all.

Well fund raising for one.

Also I am not a dove. But you are more than welcome to jump to conclusions if you wish. That is an ignorant persons perogative after all.

Fundraising. Indeed. Today's events were about fundraising.

Since you are no dove, I suppose you fully support our Forces in Iraq?

The "Asian" tag come off.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4778575.stm
According to BBC sources the "principal characters" suspected of being involved in the plot were British-born. There are also understood to be links to Pakistan.

and

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/news/defence/mid-flight-mass-murder-plot-thwarted-$447210.htm
Those detained are from London, Birmingham and the Thames Valley regions, with sources suggesting that they are British-born but of Pakistani origin

lol.

Nonsense.

Shiv Sena is based only in Maharashtra state. It is a political party. They are admittedly right wing. RSS and VHP are non-political orgs which are also right wing.

Where your nonsensical analogy fails is that none of these orgs carry out terror attacks outside the country. They do not enlist and arm Pakistani hindus to carry out terror attacks in Pakistan.

Added later: Their problem is participating in hindu-muslim rioting which is an internal issue and I fail to see why it is relevant here.



Bangladesh is fast becoming an islamist base, if not already one. Some of the recent terror attacks in India had a Bangladeshi hand in it (either training / transit facilities there and in some cases even a Bangladeshi citizen involved).

There is a sizeable BD muslim immigrant population in UK. It would be naive to think that somehow BD muslims are immune to radicalisation in UK.

So Shiv Sena has never been involved in violent confrontation? Never terrorised Muslim neighbourhoods? Terror groups do not need to kill to be considered a terror group. Just the threat of extreme violence is enough. However there have been a number of Sena induced riots that have claimed the lives of Indian citizens.

RSS and VHP have also carried out terror activities of the same ilk as Sena.

My nonsensical ... um...yeah ok... so they do not recieve funding from UK based Hindu Indians? Please. Don't be this naive. Or are you saying that it is ok to fundraise in the UK to support terror groups abroad....?

Once more the issue of Bangladesh...I have little knowledge of Bangladesh violence towards others. I do have knowledge of Indian violence towards Bangladesh back in the 1970's.

Fundraising. Indeed. Today's events were about fundraising.

Since you are no dove, I suppose you fully support our Forces in Iraq?

No funds - no terror groups.

I fully support the removal of our troops from Iraq. I support our Troops during their politically motivated and illegal occupation of Iraq. I do not support our government for sending them there.

I do however support our total involvement in Afghanistan to eridicate the Taliban and their henious anti-islamic movement.

The "Asian" tag come off.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4778575.stm


and

http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/news/defence/mid-flight-mass-murder-plot-thwarted-$447210.htm


lol.

I do not think this is at all amusing.

No funds - no terror groups.

I fully support the removal of our troops from Iraq. I support our Troops during their politically motivated and illegal occupation of Iraq. I do not support our government for sending them there.

I do however support our total involvement in Afghanistan to eridicate the Taliban and their henious anti-islamic movement.


paragraph 1: smokescreen.

paragraph 2: same position as me.

paragraph 3: take away an adjective or 2 and I agree.

paragraph 1: smokescreen.

paragraph 2: same position as me.

paragraph 3: take away an adjective or 2 and I agree.

1 - You cannot be a terror group without funds. That is not a smokescreen. That is a reality.

2 - Good! Are you shocked?

3 - No. I know enough Muslims...worked with enough to know that the Taliban are not Islamic in the sense of what Muhammed wanted. If you want to delve into the source of this you need to examine what the Ottomans did to the Arabic Islamicists. The Taliban are the remaining vestage of that awfull history. Not surprising though seeing as they grew out of the twenty odd years of living in refugee camps with nothing. But that does not excuse their present need of total self reliance and religious inversion (not a good word to use I know...but I cannot think of another English word...possibly introspection?).

For what it is worth - I hold all religions in contempt. However I also happen to beleive that everyone is entitled to have a faith if they feel they need it.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/08/10/uk.terror/index.html

There wasn't a thread on this yet so I started one.

The Islamic terror threat is alive and well despite the fact that some people continually deny its existance.

Just a thought, does anyone think this is connected to the 11 missing students? I mean a terror group would likely want simultaneous attacks.
your using cnn:eek: but its evil left wing media

So Shiv Sena has never been involved in violent confrontation? Never terrorised Muslim neighbourhoods? Terror groups do not need to kill to be considered a terror group. Just the threat of extreme violence is enough. However there have been a number of Sena induced riots that have claimed the lives of Indian citizens.

RSS and VHP have also carried out terror activities of the same ilk as Sena.

Why is this of relevance here?

Unless you are saying "look there are hindu groups rioting against muslims in India, so it is ok for P***s to bomb UK":rolleyes:

Is that what you are saying? I hope not.

I will NOT defend the actions of hindu right wing groups. It is of no relevance to the topic here. You are engaging in what is called moral-equivalency BS.


Once more the issue of Bangladesh...I have little knowledge of Bangladesh violence towards others.

You are correct here, your little knowledge, that is. BD involvement in islamist terrorism is not that hard to search for.

I do have knowledge of Indian violence towards Bangladesh back in the 1970's.

What nonsense is this. You are really stupid.

India liberated Bangladesh from Pakistani violence in the 1971 war. P***s were committing a genocide on BD - million plus dead and hundreds of thousands raped by P*** army and P*** armed Razakar militia.

How is an Indian army invasion defeating P*** army and making BD an independant democratic country = Indian violence towards BD?:rolleyes:

3 - No. I know enough Muslims...worked with enough to know that the Taliban are not Islamic in the sense of what Muhammed wanted. If you want to delve into the source of this you need to examine what the Ottomans did to the Arabic Islamicists. The Taliban are the remaining vestage of that awfull history. Not surprising though seeing as they grew out of the twenty odd years of living in refugee camps with nothing. But that does not excuse their present need of total self reliance and religious inversion (not a good word to use I know...but I cannot think of another English word...possibly introspection?).

Oh God.

Taliban is a product of Deobandi ideology and is a brainchild of P*** military establishment as part of their strategic depth policy.

The father of Taliban is a P*** deobandi mullah. WTF have Ottomans got to do with this?

Why is this of relevance here?

Unless you are saying "look there are hindu groups rioting against muslims in India, so it is ok for P***s to bomb UK":rolleyes:

Is that what you are saying? I hope not.

I will NOT defend the actions of hindu right wing groups. It is of no relevance to the topic here. You are engaging in what is called moral-equivalency BS.



You are correct here, your little knowledge, that is. BD involvement in islamist terrorism is not that hard to search for.


What nonsense is this. You are really stupid.

India liberated Bangladesh from Pakistani violence in the 1971 war. P***s were committing a genocide on BD - million plus dead and hundreds of thousands raped by P*** army and P*** armed Razakar militia.

How is an Indian army invasion defeating P*** army and making BD an independant democratic country = Indian violence towards BD?:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

I do not think this is at all amusing.

It is. for me.

Children of an entity created by UK and sustained by US now plans to hijack UK planes and crash it in US.

It is amusing.

Oh God.

Taliban is a product of Deobandi ideology and is a brainchild of P*** military establishment as part of their strategic depth policy.

The father of Taliban is a P*** deobandi mullah. WTF have Ottomans got to do with this?

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

Whoever did it, by the way, we know where they got the idea (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Bojinka#Airline_bombing_plot).

It is. for me.

Children of an entity created by UK and sustained by US now plans to hijack UK planes and crash it in US.

It is amusing.

:rolleyes:

You are a racist and too weak to admit it. Why not type Paki instead of P***?

You are also quite an ignorant troll.

:rolleyes:

You are a racist and too weak to admit it. Why not type Paki instead of P***?

You are also quite an ignorant troll.

I have nothing to prove to you. Your taunts will be ignored, but your ignorance will still be exposed.

I have nothing to prove to you. Your taunts will be ignored, but your ignorance will still be exposed.

No...that is right you have nothing to prove...your racism needs no further proof as it is already here for all to read.

It is a shame that you cannot even commit to thinking instead of calling me stupid. You can call what I am saying stupid and I'd have been more than happy to debate but no...you just had to go and hurl insults at me. The usual Modus Operandi of the truely ignorant. Just like you in fact!

Have a nice life and it won't be long until your HB1 is revoked :p

Where does it say anything about Islam in that article or Muslim or anything connected to the religion or people?

Unless you have another link, I think you are showing your prejudice?
Read the article. This wasn't ETA at work.


The intelligence that uncovered the plot "makes very strong links to al Qaeda," a senior U.S. administration official told CNN. The official said it is believed the plot was close to being operational.

....

Asked if Britain's Muslim community was involved in the investigation, Reid would not comment. "We are involved in a long wide and deep struggle against very evil people," Reid said. "This is not a case of one civilization against another, one religion against another."

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Peter Clarke, Head of the Metropolitan Police Service Anti-Terrorist Branch, said the arrests followed an "unprecedented level of surveillance" over several months involving meetings, movements, travel, spending and the aspirations of a large group of people.

Ah, so you admit to jumping the gun. It would appear that your hatred runs deep? You still have time to edit your post until you actually get something substantial, like facts?
Hatred of Islamist terrorists? I don't share it, but it's understandable.

Even if the article had not said it, it's quite a rational observation to state that it was probably al-Qaeda. Nothing to do with hatred.

You are grasping at straws.

And you are ignoring empirical evidence to suit your intellectual dishonesty.

Seriously, fundamentalist Muslims don't need all your rhetorical protection.

Sky News just confirmed it on TV. Put the TV on. They said "British Born Muslims."
Yes, let's not get carried away about this.

Thanks a lot CanuckHeaven. You've encouraged racism with your needless emphasis on religion.

There is no need to. Your credibility was busted on your first post. Whether your assumption was right or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is your obvious prejudice.
Come on, stop lying. EVeryone knew that in all likelihood this was an al-Qaeda plot. There was a remote chance that it was someone else, but as has been confirmed, it wasn't.

You're grasping to see racism where there is none.

What it tells ME is that IDF is believing all the garbage spouted by the American governments media machine to justify the deaths of young American servicemen and women in the pursuit of a bogus and illegal 'war'
That's not a US Government site. What US Servicemen died in the foiling of this terrorist plot in the UK?

If anything, this was a vindication for those of us who believe that the solution to the terrorism problem is to treat it as a matter of crime, and not a matter of war.

That site is bollox and you know it, I know you know it because I've seen threads where it you pointed out to you.

Crime by a muslim =/= terrorism
The site is biased, but most of those events are terrorist attacks, even if only small ones.

Also, I don't believe that attacks against military personnel count as terrorism.

well, this is all stupid. i consider this all to be government lies. besides, every terrorist attack since 11/9 was blamed on muslims, are you really sure they were all done by muslims. was there really such a plot? i don't think so. i believe this is a lie made up by the US and UK governments.

sheesh why is it called "terrorism" when a muslim does it but just called "murder" when a non-muslim does it??

And watch him cop out with "But They Don't Behead People!!"
Gauthier, master of straw men, raves again. Maybe he'll highlight the more logical fact that those are not global terror groups, so are not acceptable answers when asked for a list of global terrorist groups.

lol...it is the P***s. I am guessing LeT + Hizbut Tahrir in the background.

Could be wrong...let's see...
Stop talking. You sound like a racist asshole.


Secondly, why on earth aren't the would be traitors publically hung?
Civilisation.

If you conducted a public poll, I should imagine the majority would endorse public executions for would-be terrorists.
Yes, at certain times when such things were in the news.

And if you conducted a public, I should imagine the majority would endorse a much lower level of taxation.
And a much higher level of public services!

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.

Well, when we're talking about Hindus, we're unlikely to be talking about terrorists, are we? So you're being irrelevant. I think we CAN safely take it for granted that we were not talking about Indian Hindus - nor Bangladeshi's for that matter...
Bengals (aka East Pakistanis) are also Muslims.

You're putting up another smokescreen, thus endangering national security.
On an obscure internet forum. Bit of an exaggeration there!

sheesh why is it called "terrorism" when a muslim does it but just called "murder" when a non-muslim does it??
Well, I don't think that there have been examples of global terrorism that killed dozens of people committed by non-Muslims lately.

Think of the murder of the Theo van Gogh. It was motivated by religious Islamist reasons, but nobody called it a terrorist attack. It was a murder, commited by a Muslim.

Same with the 56 or so honour killings that have blighted Germany in the last decade.

Gauthier, master of straw men, raves again. Maybe he'll highlight the more logical fact that those are not global terror groups, so are not acceptable answers when asked for a list of global terrorist groups.


Sadly the fact is that if they recieve funding outside of the country where they operate then they are a global group. The same applies if they have supporters outside of the country in which they operate.

Well, I don't think that there have been examples of global terrorism that killed dozens of people committed by non-Muslims lately.

Think of the murder of the Theo van Gogh. It was motivated by religious Islamist reasons, but nobody called it a terrorist attack. It was a murder, commited by a Muslim.

Same with the 56 or so honour killings that have blighted Germany in the last decade.
i'm talking about now, not in the last few centuries.

SNIP

Bengals (aka East Pakistanis) are also Muslims.


And fortunately, the Bangladeshi/terror connection is kinda weak.
Unlike the Pakistani/terror connection.



When you hear hoofbeats, you look for horses, and not for zebras.
Especially when you're not in the savannah and there's applecores all over the place.

LOL!

Nobody is as mad as Muslim people!
And why are the Muslim people mad?

Terror is always made by muslims.
For you to make such a claim would suggest that you know very little about history?

This is not a prejudice as left people say, it's a fact.

Allah :mp5:
Muslim Terrorists :sniper:
How many people have Muslim terrorists killed in the past 5 years? How many Iraqis have died in the past 3 years?

And why are the Muslim people mad?



Mosques are being misused for propagating and inciting hatred against each other's sect and beliefs and against the Government, too.

Pervez Musharraf.

I find it disappointing that when you hear that a terrorist plot has been foiled the following things happen:

IDF claims it's muslim.
Aryavartha claims it's Pakistanis.

Methink their racism is showing.

Where does it say anything about Islam in that article or Muslim or anything connected to the religion or people?

Unless you have another link, I think you are showing your prejudice?

Can't you read the bit that says "strong links to Al Queda"?

And you could not see that coming from the first instant?

Dreadfully sorry, but you were responding like a certain former Spanish PM.
'Maybe it was the ETA?'
I think you have missed the point that I was trying to make with IDF, and that was that he was automatically blaming Islamic terrorists before the news even stated any connection to Islam or Muslims, and as yet, there still has been no actual determination made to that effect.

I was drawing attention to IDF's blatant prejudice. He made a judgment without benefit of any facts.

Can't you read the bit that says "strong links to Al Queda"?
The original article posted by IDF had no reference to Al Queda. I read very well thanks. :D

Edit: The original article by CNN has been updated to include the reference that you talk of.

I find it disappointing that when you hear that a terrorist plot has been foiled the following things happen:

IDF claims it's muslim.
Aryavartha claims it's Pakistanis.

Methink their racism is showing.
I wish people would stop using the term "methinks". It sounds stupid.

Aryavartha seems racist, but IDF isn't.

And why are the Muslim people mad?

For you to make such a claim would suggest that you know very little about history?

How many people have Muslim terrorists killed in the past 5 years? How many Iraqis have died in the past 3 years?
Of all the valid posters you could have replied to you chose a troll?

I wish people would stop using the term "methinks". It sounds stupid.

Can't help you there. I'll refrain from using it today, just for you though. ;)

Aryavartha seems racist, but IDF isn't.

Read IDF's post history and two conclusions will come to you:

1. Israel is great and can do no wrong.
2. arabs are dirty terrorists scum and are to blame for everything bad happening.

now, if that isn't racism, I don't know what is.

Of all the valid posters you could have replied to you chose a troll?
Speaking of trolls, I believe that this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11523862&postcount=102) of yours falls well within the confines of trolling. :p

Edit: The original article by CNN has been updated to include the reference that you talk of.

Ok, fair enough i guess.

I find it disappointing that when you hear that a terrorist plot has been foiled the following things happen:

IDF claims it's muslim.
Aryavartha claims it's Pakistanis.

Methink their racism is showing.
I find it even more disappointing when liberal fantasists desperately try to cling onto the the tiniest prospect of it being evil whitey that planned the attacks.

I think you have missed the point that I was trying to make with IDF, and that was that he was automatically blaming Islamic terrorists before the news even stated any connection to Islam or Muslims, and as yet, there still has been no actual determination made to that effect.

I was drawing attention to IDF's blatant prejudice. He made a judgment without benefit of any facts.


I think you're missing the point that - even IF IDF is prejudiced - his version is dead-right.
And that therefore, whatever you do to try to detract from that, is nothing but a smokescreen.

Twenty-One arrested? WOW.

UK-US flights have been raised to Red and domestic flights are on orange alert.

What the heck happened?

I find it even more disappointing when liberal fantasists desperately try to cling onto the the tiniest prospect of it being evil whitey that planned the attacks.
I find it disappointing when conservative fantasists desperately put words in our mouth in the vain hope that their racism will somehow be justified because it turns out it was an arab who done it. Nevermind the fact that they jumped the gun and had even chances of being wrong.

I think you're missing the point that - even IF IDF is prejudiced - his version is dead-right.
And that therefore, whatever you do to try to detract from that, is nothing but a smokescreen.
There is no excuse for saying something as fact, when in fact it had no basis in fact to begin with.

I was simply pointing out his obvious prejudice at the time. This is not about smokescreens, it is about reasoning.

There is no excuse for saying something as fact, when in fact it had no basis in fact to begin with.

I was simply pointing out his obvious prejudice at the time. This is not about smokescreens, it is about reasoning.

Theres plenty of basis in fact, who are the most likely group of people to try and blow up American Airliners in the current global climate taking into account past events? Its common sense :rolleyes:

It may be wrong to state it as a fact, but saying there is no basis to make such an assumption is ridiculous

Speaking of trolls, I believe that this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11523862&postcount=102) of yours falls well within the confines of trolling. :p
How? If I implied that you were lying, is it really any better than screaming "you're racist" at everyone?

If my points aren't too good to refute, maybe you can "shoot them down" like you did with that troll.

I was simply pointing out his obvious prejudice at the time. This is not about smokescreens, it is about reasoning.
If you believe that there is an equal chance that all known terrorist groups may have perpetrated this attack, then your "reasoning" is flawed.

From what I am hear, they believe that a Pakistani terror group could be involved in all of this.

From what I am hear, they believe that a Pakistani terror group could be involved in all of this.

War against Pakistan! Yeehaw!

:rolleyes:

You are a racist and too weak to admit it. Why not type Paki instead of P***?

You are also quite an ignorant troll.


And you are a left wing communist without any
political knowledge.
Why is someone a racist if he fights the most racist religion,
islam?

War against Pakistan! Yeehaw!

Who said anything about a war?

And you are a left wing communist without any
political knowledge.
Why is someone a racist if he fights the most racist religion,
islam?

LOLOL too rich...

I am as far from a communist as one could wish for! Political knowledge....ok...I'll play your little game...please point out my lack of political knowledge...

Here I'll start - Left wing Communist YOU LOSE!

LOL thanks for the laugh....

As for the rest of the twaddle you typed...

The term Paki is a dergoratory term for those who come from Pakistan. It is a racist term. Or are you that naive to think that only white people can be racist?

Islam racist? Possible...as possible as Christianity or Shinto or Zorastroism...

And you are a left wing communist without any
political knowledge.
Why is someone a racist if he fights the most racist religion,
islam?

You do make a fair point. Christianity is unequivocally inclusive, Islam is exclusive.

You do make a fair point. Christianity is unequivocally inclusive, Islam is exclusive.

Then please account for the huge number of different Christian 'Chruches and Sects'....

Roman Catholic to Voodoo....(ok...Voodoo is extreme but it does have and uses much Christian theology...)

Why is someone a racist if he fights the most racist religion,
islam?
Ideologically Hinduism is probably the most racist religion. But with the ridiculous number of Muslims who hate Jews, maybe they take tha biscuit.

LOLOL too rich...

I am as far from a communist as one could wish for! Political knowledge....ok...I'll play your little game...please point out my lack of political knowledge...

Here I'll start - Left wing Communist YOU LOSE!

LOL thanks for the laugh....

As for the rest of the twaddle you typed...

The term Paki is a dergoratory term for those who come from Pakistan. It is a racist term. Or are you that naive to think that only white people can be racist?

Islam racist? Possible...as possible as Christianity or Shinto or Zorastroism...

Of course everybody can be racist. But Islam racist is not possible it's a fact!
Look at Israel and Iran.

Of course everybody can be racist. But Islam racist is not possible it's a fact!
Look at Israel and Iran.
Of course everybody can be racist. But Jewish racist is not possible it's a fact!
Look at Israel.

Of course everybody can be racist. But Christian racist is not possible it's a fact!
Look at the USA

Notice a trend?

Ideologically Hinduism is probably the most racist religion. But with the ridiculous number of Muslims who hate Jews, maybe they take tha biscuit.


Or how about:

'You're an ignorant Indian peasant! Only we Arabs really understand Islam!'

Of course everybody can be racist. But Islam racist is not possible it's a fact!
Look at Israel and Iran.

I see you nicely avoided the politics part there German Rich...

However -

But Islam racist is not possible it's a fact!

So if it is not possible (and that is a fact) for Islam be racist then I fail to understand your point.

But if you just got your words muddled up (I have also been guilty of that) then are you saying that Isreal and Iran are racist?

BUMP.

Some person missed it...

No mention of Islamic terrorists on the BBC, it is just reporting the known FACTS at the moment. It might be Irish Republicans or animal rights nut-bars or anti capitalists...anti war....

i dont ever remember irish republicans using suicide bombers.

its silly, you lose a soldier.

ummmmm the IRA blew up Manchester and they blew up a load of people at a remembrance day parade and they planted nail bombs in Hyde park and blew up men and horses and band members (these were military, but it was a public park and people go and watch this stuff in London you know) they used to bomb London and they blew up a hotel in Brighton..Not that I think it is them actually, but couldnt let that go.

still no suicide bombers.

the proper ira only attacks military targets.

i dont ever remember irish republicans using suicide bombers.

its silly, you lose a soldier.
IRA did once.

Handcuffed a fella to a steering wheel and forced him to drive up to an Army base/tower. He didn't know the car was rigged with a remote controlled device. Boom.

IRA did once.

Handcuffed a fella to a steering wheel and forced him to drive up to an Army base/tower. He didn't know the car was rigged with a remote controlled device. Boom.

suicide is volutary.

Make a new thread, and keep the racially abusive terms and trolling out of it.

This thread is now several pages of off-topic back-and-forth accusations of whose racism is greater, and is not salvagable.

Aryavartha is now on a third one-week forum ban this year, and the recipient of a final warning to cease to use racially abusive terms. Guess what? Sticking *** into the middle does not work.