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To unwind your political strings tonight, name something that your most hated politician did that you consider worthy of praise.

Think of all the good things Hitler did
Think of all the swell things Hitler did
All of the things he could do, Hitler did
You may say the hell with what Hitler did
But think of all the good things Hitler did*



*I do not condone any of Hitler's actions, but I remember the slogan from a t-shirt and expanded it into a song.

He died. THat's the only good thing that fucking cocksucker did.

I know he was a vegetarian. Is that good?

He died. THat's the only good thing that fucking cocksucker did.

No. He did many good things, which are ignored. He turned the worst off country in the world, into the greatest. He restored a broken nations pride in itself.


Had he not blamed the Jews, but rather held them as members of German society, Germany would be the Greatest nation in world history.

I know he was a vegetarian. Is that good?
1/2 points only.

I believe the Nazi party under the leadership if Hitler instituted a number of public safety laws regarding smoking?

As well, didn't the Nazis found Volkswagen? Volkswagen makes some good rides...

He was for complete, restrictive gun control?

The only good thing I can think of is the autobahn. Him dying wasn't even good. He commited suicide. How were we supposed to put him on war crimes trial if he killed himself?

As well, didn't the Nazis found Volkswagen?
Which is why I will never touch one of those fucking cars. I would love if VW dealerships would spontaneously combust.

He was a very good politicans. I wouldn't mind having someone in the USA that has his political zeal.

He was for complete, restrictive gun control?
Only as a means to make sure no rebellion could occur. That is why the only truly free countries in the world are the ones where you can bear arms.

The only good thing I can think of is the autobahn. Him dying wasn't even good. He commited suicide. How were we supposed to put him on war crimes trial if he killed himself?

That why he killed himself!

He died. THat's the only good thing that fucking cocksucker did.
Hey. Just cause he was gay doesn't mean you have to hate him ;)

And if you do your research before the whole Nazi thing he was a pretty decent fellow. But that was when he was three before his father walked out after beating the shit out of his mother. So Hitlers in hell going :upyours:

Pretty sure the ratio of good - bad is like 20:1 ...

Actually make that 2000:1.

Teh autobahn?

No. He did many good things, which are ignored. He turned the worst off country in the world, into the greatest. He restored a broken nations pride in itself.
It was only the worst of because of the Versialle (sp?) Treaty, which is the reason why the US dropped out of the Leage of Nations.


Had he not blamed the Jews, but rather held them as members of German society, Germany would be the Greatest nation in world history.
He blamed the Jews because of two things:
1. He was not allowed into a art academy where most of the Board thing was Jewish. I may be wrong, so correct me if I am.
2. He blamed them because they were doing reletively well off in the economy, and it is easy to get people up in arms against those who are doing well in the Economy.

Pretty sure the ratio of good - bad is like 20:1 ...

Actually make that 2000:1.
He did two thousand good things for every bad thing he did? Please enlighten us.

Pretty sure the ratio of good - bad is like 20:1 ...

Actually make that 2000:1.
I think you meant to say he did 2000 bad things for every good.

He did two thousand good things for every bad thing he did? Please enlighten us.

oh noes!!1!!!1 we got ourselves a nazi on hand

ALERT THE JEW CREW!

*activates jew signal*:D

oh noes!!1!!!1 we got ourselves a nazi on hand

ALERT THE JEW CREW!

*activates jew signal*:D


*watches as an illuminated giant nose appears in the air* :)

He did contribute to modern medicine. And wasn't he a meth addict or something?

He did contribute to modern medicine. And wasn't he a meth addict or something?

Sooooo...being addicted to meth is a good thing?

Interesting.

Hitler, while being an evil fuck, did do a lot economically for Germany...and...things...

Good things Hitler/the Nazi Party had a hand in off the top of my head:

-was responsible for the autobahn

-was responsible for the creation of Volkwagon, which was meant to give every Germany citizen the oppertunity for a cheap, reliable vehicle.

-Inflation was rampant, the Ruhr industrial region was under the control of France, and thus was strangling Germany's economy even more. The Nazi party regained control of the region and turned the economy around.

-The Germany Vengeance weapons project was responsible for the majority of the technology and knowledge that went into the space program in the United States.

-German scientists during that period first made the connection between smoking and lung cancer. hitler then imposed restrictions on smoking in buses and trains, and the way smoking was advertised.

-He restored a nations pride to itself. (but then it sort of went rampant and had no control over the mob.)

Hitler was a great leader from the time he came to power to the start of world war two.

Sooooo...being addicted to meth is a good thing?

Interesting.

Hitler, while being an evil fuck, did do a lot economically for Germany...and...things...

Well, I didn't mean it was a good thing. I should've added that the meth addiction could have been a main factor in him blaming the Jews.

He did contribute to modern medicine. And wasn't he a meth addict or something?

No definitly not an addict to anything except maybe power;

His positive standpoints (or at least ones that you cannot consider evil);

1) Made VW, and ensured the every german family get their own car, or the state buys one for those unable to afford one.

2) Autobahn, made the huge roads and highways of germany.

3) Vegetarian, and borderline vegan, refused to eat meat himself, and was very conscious of his body, of the four leaders, FDR, Stalin, Churchill and him, he was the fittest and healthiest.

4) Ordinated mandatory fitness hours for children, no slacking you had to run and exercise in school, and the aryan race cannot tolerate obese or unhealthy children,........

5) Was very adament against smoking. His own generals and officers were forbidden to smoke in his presence. He was also very big against drugs, he would blind eye for example the addiction of Goerring to morphine but left no opportunity out to heavily criticise him for it.

6) Loved to play with children and dogs, he always was the nice and adoring "Onkel Adolf" to the children of his officers, and he doted them with presents.

7) Was against adultery, he was not a womaniser. He highly deplored some of the chauvinistic behavior of some of his officers, he himself though stuck only with one woman during the regime, Eva Braun.

8) Abolished seperatism, all children and members of soceity had to be active in communes and clubs to further social understanding.

9) Formed the Hitler-Jugend, a boy scouts of sort, which trained young men, to be physically fit, eat healthy, and on top light military training. Also the more successful were sent to special academies where they were trained to be the future officers. He had everything planned, and unlike others was one of the few leaders to know that the future lies with the children and youth so he undertook massive propaganda to them and trained them to actively become part of the machine.

10) Was an artist, his favorite past time was to paint pictures. However despite being rejected by the art academy in Wien, he was fairly talented, his skill in painting is probably better then 99% of us here on the forum, however not quite good enough for an elite art school.

11) He had enthusiasm, political zeal, amazing eloquence. Quote frankly if he had won the war or perhaps struck a different path he might have been remembered as one of histories greatest, not darkest.

12) Managed to restore pride into a humiliated people. Managed to reform the economy of an impoverished state. Managed to rebuild a once crippled army into the most powerful in the world. Put his forgotten nation into the role of a powerbroker again.



bad sides;

1) initiated a war that resulted in over 50 million dead.


So all in all good sides < bad sides

I think you meant to say he did 2000 bad things for every good.

:eek:
My bad...

2000:1
bad/good

sorry!

Only as a means to make sure no rebellion could occur. That is why the only truly free countries in the world are the ones where you can bear arms.
lol I was being facetious. Or at least trying to be.

(snip)

4) Ordinated mandatory fitness hours for children, no slacking you had to run and exercise in school, and the aryan race cannot tolerate obese or unhealthy children,........

(snip)
Funny how in the US, some schools have banned running on the playgrounds.

Well if he had not been alive, the scene from the Blues Brothers where Jake and Elwood charge the Nazi party on the bridge never would have happened.

Only as a means to make sure no rebellion could occur. That is why the only truly free countries in the world are the ones where you can bear arms.

It is possible to rebel without using weapons. Just look at what Gandhi did.

No. He did many good things, which are ignored. He turned the worst off country in the world, into the greatest. He restored a broken nations pride in itself.


Had he not blamed the Jews, but rather held them as members of German society, Germany would be the Greatest nation in world history.

Umm, Germany got whooped by the Allies. Aerial bombing of cities and whatnot will do that to a country. Hitler brought that upon Germany.....

He did help the video game industry; indirectly.

Hilter did far more good things than bad things. Its just that bad things were kinda big so people remember them.

It is possible to rebel without using weapons. Just look at what Gandhi did. That only works when there is a free press.

It is possible to rebel without using weapons. Just look at what Gandhi did.

Yes, and look how India fell apart.

He was a great artist.

He made sure that all the political people of the future have a backup startagy.

Yes, and look how India fell apart.
Well, it didn't have the UK forcing an economy down its throut anymore.

He was a great artist.

If by great you mean horrible, then yes, I agree.

Well, Hitler fought Judaism. That's a good thing, even if he maybe had done it out of the wrong motives.

If by great you mean horrible, then yes, I agree.
Yeah, he totally sucked (http://www.hitler.org/art/)..:rolleyes:

Well, it didn't have the UK forcing an economy down its throut anymore.
What? I meant the division into India, Pakistan, and Bangla-Desh.

Yeah, he totally sucked (http://www.hitler.org/art/)..:rolleyes:

Obviously this (http://www.hitler.org/art/women/eva1.jpg) is the work of a great artist then?

He did indeed suck.

In reality, Hitler's persecution of the Jews is not entirely dissimilar to the Soviet policy on the upper and middle classes; the Nazis just choice to focus on a certain race within the higher classes.

Obviously this (http://www.hitler.org/art/women/eva1.jpg) is the work of a great artist then?

He did indeed suck.

Hitler's one artistic weakness was his difficulty with the human form. Otherwise, he may have become a famous artist, possibly on the level with Picasso and Van Gogh. Pity he tried to take over the world instead.

Yes...let's concentrate on the "good things", and treat the bad as just a "minor" distraction. You know, I remember hearing somewhere that infamous figures become heros once the memories of the lives that they have destroyed begin to fade away. Apparently, if the people are Jewish, their memories tend to fade a bit quicker, and if they're from any of the other groups Hitler targeted, then they didn't exist at all (hmmm, Hitler also went after blacks, homosexuals-aren't liberals all over the world screaming about the injustices of the United States against these groups?).


Side note: See "East of Eden is Nod" 's post if anyone cares to dispute that anti-semetism is on the rise or thinks that the threat to modern Judaism is overblown. I recognize that not all people who criticize Israel are anti-semetic (or at least they don't mean to be), but how can you classify support of the destruction of Judaism under any other category?

Obviously this (http://www.hitler.org/art/women/eva1.jpg) is the work of a great artist then?

He did indeed suck.
So you point out a bad one and make that the representative for the rest of his work (http://www.hitler.org/art/buildings/building4.jpg)?

What? I meant the division into India, Pakistan, and Bangla-Desh.
Which is bad why?

Hitler's one artistic weakness was his difficulty with the human form. Otherwise, he may have become a famous artist, possibly on the level with Picasso and Van Gogh. Pity he tried to take over the world instead.

I'll pick one of his better efforts and do a side by side.

Hilter (http://www.hitler.org/art/flowers/flower3.jpg)

A real artist (http://www.uni-bielefeld.de/lili/personen/fleischmann/d_archsuse05/207_wright_airpump.jpg)

By no stretch of the imagination was he great.

So you point out a bad one and make that the representative for the rest of his work (http://www.hitler.org/art/buildings/building4.jpg)?

Like the art academy told him, he should have become an architect.

He wasn't an artist.

I'll pick one of his better efforts and do a side by side.

Hilter (http://www.hitler.org/art/flowers/flower3.jpg)

A real artist (http://www.uni-bielefeld.de/lili/personen/fleischmann/d_archsuse05/207_wright_airpump.jpg)

By no stretch of the imagination was he great.
I love how you ignore all his good work..

Maeneonne']Yes...let's concentrate on the "good things", and treat the bad as just a "minor" distraction. You know, I remember hearing somewhere that infamous figures become heros once the memories of the lives that they have destroyed begin to fade away. Apparently, if the people are Jewish, their memories tend to fade a bit quicker. See "East of Eden is Nod" 's post if anyone cares to dispute that anti-semetism is on the rise or thinks that the threat to modern Judaism is overblown.

Hmm, because we haven't been reminded of the Holocaust every second of every minute of every hour of every day since 1945...

Well, Hitler fought Judaism. That's a good thing, even if he maybe had done it out of the wrong motives.
I wish I could say what I really think, but I'd get banned. Let me just say that it's too bad the Mossad doesn't go after Nazis like you anymore.

That's rubbish. Israel started this war almost 60 years ago. This is not about Hezbollah or Israel racting to it, this is about an obscure religious group trying to make a state in a foreign land for over 100 years now. Every Arab and everyone in the entire world who has decency has a moral obligation to oppose Israel and its unsound religious and ideological foundation. Israel is the aggressor and the obstacle to peace in the region. And as you say it must be eliminated.

And BTW someone in support of Israel really should not refer to UN resolutions. That's rediculous.



There will be no peace until the Jews have all returned to where they came from.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408652&postcount=8


Of course there will never be peace. As soon as one "enemy" is beaten, the Jews will find a new one. Jews have always defined themselves through their enmity to others. That's also the purpose of the Tanaach.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408671&postcount=11

All Jews are religious fundamentalists. Of course there is no Jewish race, but a ideologically driven group of people who have always believed to be something special
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408692&postcount=17

You are right. Judaism is bigotry
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408711&postcount=21

Jews aren't a people. They are a religious group.
And of course there is ant-Jewish sentiment among the Arab world. There has been anti-Jewish sentiment everywhere Jews have lived ever since Jews existed.
So if one kid always stirs trouble, is it the other kids' fault?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11434497&postcount=147


It's more than that. The UN have simply realized that they have allowed statehood to an evil religious group and that this is an error that needs correction.http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11416869&postcount=65

The fact of the matter is that Israel has always been a terrorist state ever since its articifial creation. But what does one expect? Judaism is an unenlightened aggressive ideology after all.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11395352&postcount=195

What does the Munich incident have to do with any god? In Munich some Palestinians were only paying back some of the cruelty imposed on entire Palestine by the intruding Jews. Zionism has someting to to with the onedimensional Jewish view on god and their alleged covenant with a god, but not the Munich incident. You seem to forget what Israel had done just prior to 1972. And "Wrath of God" and the Israeli impudence to name their revenge thus should be the reason why you don''t anylonger believe in god, especially the Jewish god. The Palestinians have every right to defend themselves and hurt Israel in every way they can.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11366744&postcount=4

You want aggressive gods? Then go for the Jewish god: most arrogant, ignorant, jealous, and aggressive god of all...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11366673&postcount=90


Jews launched an aggressive offensive against the Palestinians by coming to Palestine in the first place. Palestinians are only defending their ancestral land. There were always Jews in Palestine and that's OK. But what happened since the end of Ottoman rule in the province of Palestine due to the irresponsible and ideologically driven influx of foreign Jews is not OK.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11258727&postcount=697

I'll pick one of his better efforts and do a side by side.

Hilter (http://www.hitler.org/art/flowers/flower3.jpg)

A real artist (http://www.uni-bielefeld.de/lili/personen/fleischmann/d_archsuse05/207_wright_airpump.jpg)

By no stretch of the imagination was he great.

I'd feel safe in saying that his work is better than anything you could produce. It beats the living shit out of anything I can do.

I love how you ignore all his good work..

You mean like this (http://www.hitler.org/art/buildings/building5.jpg)?

I wish I could say what I really think, but I'd get banned. Let me just say that it's too bad the Mossad doesn't go after Nazis like you anymore.






http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408652&postcount=8


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408671&postcount=11


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408692&postcount=17


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11408711&postcount=21


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11434497&postcount=147


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11416869&postcount=65


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11395352&postcount=195


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11366744&postcount=4


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11366673&postcount=90



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11258727&postcount=697


Thank you, wow you did all the hard work. At least it's just coming from one person-at first glance I thought all the quotes came from different accounts scattered around the boards.

You mean like this (http://www.hitler.org/art/buildings/building5.jpg)?

That looks cool!!

Maeneonne']Thank you, wow you did all the hard work. At least it's just coming from one person-at first glance I thought all the quotes came from different accounts scattered around the boards.
I justed posted the list in moderation. There's even more. That's just from the first few pages of the post search I did on him.

You mean like this (http://www.hitler.org/art/buildings/building5.jpg)?
I quite like that one.

Care to stop making an ass out of yourself?

I justed posted the list in moderation. There's even more. That's just from the first few pages of the post search I did on him.

Well, IF he hates Jews, that would not make him a Nazi. That would just mean he hates Jews.

I wish I could say what I really think, but I'd get banned. Let me just say that it's too bad the Mossad doesn't go after Nazis like you anymore.


That's funny. As if someone had to be a Nazi to hate Judaism and its followers. A thorough look into the Bible and a comparison to actual history suffices. Judaism goes into one category with Mormonism, Scientology and other ideological crap. And if you really look at Judaism and the Germans' Nationalsocialism you will find that these ideologies are not so far apart. And it's all just bullshit.

That's funny. As if someone had to be a Nazi to hate Judaism and its followers. A thorough look into the Bible and a comparison to actual history suffices. Judaism goes into one category with Mormonism, Scientology and other ideological crap. And if you really look at Judaism and the Germans' Nationalsocialism you will find that these ideologies are not so far apart.
What's funny? It seems like you are in love with Adolph Hitler. You are really a sick disgusting human being.

There is absolutely no justification for your stupid hate towards the Jews. You are a vile human being.

He was a very good politicans. I wouldn't mind having someone in the USA that has his political zeal.

Be careful what you wish for.

What's funny?
Your lack of reality is funny.

It seems like you are in love with Adolf Hitler.
I said nothing of the kind. And one does not have to like Adolf Hitler to look at what he did without emotion.

You are really a sick disgusting human being.
Maybe. But I also don't hide behind political correctness.

There is absolutely no justification for your hate towards the Jews.
Oh, there are many. E.g. the idea that the value of a human depends on the lineage is absolutely inacceptable.
And did you ever think that the assumption was right that anyone who did not believe in the biblical god back in ancient days was worthless, which at the time meant practically the entire population of the planet?

You are a vile human being.
At least not as vile as followers of Judaism.

Moron, just answer me this, what makes me vile for being a Jew?

Moron, just answer me this, what makes me vile for being a Jew?

Your belief.

Your belief.
Be specific mr white trash

Be specific mr white trash
Oh, I could. I have discussed this with Rastafarians for over a year already. It's all the same with Jews. But this is not the right thread.
Well, I am going to work now.

That's funny. As if someone had to be a Nazi to hate Judaism and its followers. A thorough look into the Bible and a comparison to actual history suffices. Judaism goes into one category with Mormonism, Scientology and other ideological crap. And if you really look at Judaism and the Germans' Nationalsocialism you will find that these ideologies are not so far apart. And it's all just bullshit.

Well, since I'm the one who led the discussion so horribly askew, I might as well point out that I personally don't care if you're a Nazi or not. I did label you as an anti-semite, and all your posts prove that beyond any reasonable doubt. I was only pointing out that there are people who actually do think like that-and aren't in the least bit afraid to say it.

"To each his own"

IDF you wont be able to convince him of his beliefs otherwise all you do by arguing with him is raise your blood pressure some people can't be dealt with. BTW i am not taking either side in this, I am just pointing out something.

Maeneonne']Well, since I'm the one who led the discussion so horribly askew, I might as well point out that I personally don't care if you're a Nazi or not. I did label you as an anti-semite, and all your posts prove that beyond any reasonable doubt. I was only pointing out that there are people who actually do think like that-and aren't in the least bit afraid to say it.

An anti-semite can only be someone who regards Jews as a people or a race even. But Judaism is a denomination, not a nation. Only Jews and Nazis consider Jews a people.

Economic recovery. Admittedly the nadir of the depression was over by 1933, however economic recovery was nonetheless remarkable.

Prosecuting his intentions. Irrespective of the reprehensibility of his intentions, he pursue them trenchantly.

I've always felt that we should remember the good things genocidal bastards, such as Hitler, did. They are not enough to redeem their doers, but they are enough to remind us that they were people too. If we honestly believe that everything they did was evil and stemmed from evil motives, in our minds they cease to be people and become monsters and demons. That's when we forget that, in the right conditions, each and everyone of us is capable of committing similar atrocities. When we aknowledge that the demon is us, we are more likely to keep it at check.

Only as a means to make sure no rebellion could occur. That is why the only truly free countries in the world are the ones where you can bear arms.

you are a moron.

there is no need for guns. people owning guns increase crime or injuries look at all those stupid yanks shooting up people in thier schools, or kids shooting themselves by mistake. or cops shooting inosent civilians.

thankfully i live in a country where not only civilians are not allowed have guns, but the police neither.

I've always felt that we should remember the good things genocidal bastards, such as Hitler, did. They are not enough to redeem their doers, but they are enough to remind us that they were people too. If we honestly believe that everything they did was evil and stemmed from evil motives, in our minds they cease to be people and become monsters and demons. That's when we forget that, in the right conditions, each and everyone of us is capable of committing similar atrocities. When we aknowledge that the demon is us, we are more likely to keep it at check.

Well said. I was thinking along those lines too.

assorted crap
Please observe. (http://www.megat.co.uk/wrong/wrong.php?r=ehkrsz&n=East+of+Eden+is+Nod&c=%23FF0000&t=Judaism) I love that form.

Anyway, hey, it seems Hitler wasn't a bad artist. Though can be a great artist, if you compare it to stuff like this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Malevich.black-square.jpg

I hate modern art. But anyways, I like his pictures. We've been doing Nazi Germany in history lately, and at least Hitler instilled some pride in the German people and helped pull them out of the depression.

He blamed the Jews because of two things:
1. He was not allowed into a art academy where most of the Board thing was Jewish. I may be wrong, so correct me if I am.
2. He blamed them because they were doing reletively well off in the economy, and it is easy to get people up in arms against those who are doing well in the Economy.

1/he wasnt allowed into the academy cause he drop out of school, and you needed to get good grades in school. but he did sell his paintings before he went to wwi, as his income.

2/ hitler actuall says in mien kampf that he thought the anti-semetic nespapers were not worthy of a great city like vienna.

you have to remember at hitlers time there was zionist movement, started by theodor herzl, when he wrote the book, the jewish state.

also hitler got siphillis from a jewish prostitute.

1/he wasnt allowed into the academy cause he drop out of school, and you needed to get good grades in school. but he did sell his paintings before he went to wwi, as his income.

2/ hitler actuall says in mien kampf that he thought the anti-semetic nespapers were not worthy of a great city like vienna.

you have to remember at hitlers time there was zionist movement, started by theodor herzl, when he wrote the book, the jewish state.

also hitler got siphillis from a jewish prostitute.

Prove it.

Why not say he had a Jewis grandmother actually?:rolleyes:

In reality, Hitler's persecution of the Jews is not entirely dissimilar to the Soviet policy on the upper and middle classes; the Nazis just choice to focus on a certain race within the higher classes.

good simularity.

one could say simular to america versus muslims.
isreal against muslims.
protestants agianst catholics.(more recent history than past).

Your lack of reality is funny.
I said nothing of the kind. And one does not have to like Adolf Hitler to look at what he did without emotion.

Maybe. But I also don't hide behind political correctness.

Oh, there are many. E.g. the idea that the value of a human depends on the lineage is absolutely inacceptable.
And did you ever think that the assumption was right that anyone who did not believe in the biblical god back in ancient days was worthless, which at the time meant practically the entire population of the planet?

At least not as vile as followers of Judaism.

i think people should relise the difference between being a racist/nazi and just looking at the facts.
one can understand why hitler did things without agreeing or "being in love with him".

An anti-semite can only be someone who regards Jews as a people or a race even. But Judaism is a denomination, not a nation. Only Jews and Nazis consider Jews a people.

actuall judaism is name after the people. they have slightly different genes. but so do all different groups. by countries are more linked to german genes than our surounding neighbors. although i havent succesfully traced mine to point of origin. asuming french on the basis my family where leaders of the templars for a time period.

you are a moron.

there is no need for guns. people owning guns increase crime or injuries look at all those stupid yanks shooting up people in thier schools, or kids shooting themselves by mistake. or cops shooting inosent civilians.

thankfully i live in a country where not only civilians are not allowed have guns, but the police neither.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland

Prove it.

Why not say he had a Jewis grandmother actually?:rolleyes:

i'm a not perfect historian. i'm basing this on mien kampf as well as other books on hitler i have read.

it is not perfectly clear if his grandmother was jewish or not, but it is a posibilty.

What's funny? It seems like you are in love with Adolph Hitler. You are really a sick disgusting human being.

There is absolutely no justification for your stupid hate towards the Jews. You are a vile human being.
You know, you whine alot about genocide and the holocaust but only when such actions are taken against jews. You have no problem what so ever committing such crimes against Arabs, a people who did nothing to your people. So until you denounce genocide of all people, I suggest you close your mouth. Oh, and thank Hilter while your at it. He gave the jews an excuse to create Israel.

And btw, if you do hate genocide so much I expect you to cry out over the situation in Darfur. Because if you don't you will just prove your a hypocrite who only cares about the mass killing of humans when its done against people you view as better than all the rest.

I'd feel safe in saying that his work is better than anything you could produce. It beats the living shit out of anything I can do.

Well... speaking as an artist myself, it's average at best.
Mind you, it's not only his style I'm talking about, it's the purpose. What he produced is Wohnzimmerkunst, shallow pictures of nice things you like to put up on your living room wall, the equivalent of the famous crying clowns and dogs playing poker. Only even less original.

Goebbels once decreed "Kunst kommt von koennen. Kaeme es von wollen dann hiesse es ja Wunst", which pretty much sums up the general understanding the Nazis on the whole had of any form of art.

SNIP

Goebbels once decreed "Kunst kommt von koennen. Kaeme es von wollen dann hiesse es ja Wunst", which pretty much sums up the general understanding the Nazis on the whole had of any form of art.


I'm not white enough to understand Nazis.
What's this Wunst-thing?

I've always felt that we should remember the good things genocidal bastards, such as Hitler, did. They are not enough to redeem their doers, but they are enough to remind us that they were people too. If we honestly believe that everything they did was evil and stemmed from evil motives, in our minds they cease to be people and become monsters and demons. That's when we forget that, in the right conditions, each and everyone of us is capable of committing similar atrocities. When we aknowledge that the demon is us, we are more likely to keep it at check.

Quoted for emphasis.

*applauds

I'm not white enough to understand Nazis.
What's this Wunst-thing?

I don't think I'm going to explain that to someone who calls me a Nazi. Look it up for yourself.

I don't think I'm going to explain that to someone who calls me a Nazi. Look it up for yourself.

I haven't called you a Nazi.
I might call you a green, or a juso - but hardly a nazi.

He did help the video game industry; indirectly.

Very true, there'd be no ID software or Wolfenstein. :( Well, not as we know them. It might be Kroskiya Plueshed (if my Russian phonetic is right) instead. ;)

Total Logical Disconnect
Example: I enjoy pasta because my house is made of bricks.

ROFLMFAO. I'm going to remember and use that one. :D

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Hitler is not my least favourite politician. bush is.

Hitler is not my least favourite politician. bush is.
Yeah, Bush is way worse than the guy that plunged the whole world into war:rolleyes:

Yeah, Bush is way worse than the guy that plunged the whole world into war:rolleyes:
bush just hasent done anything YET. i'm getting very suspiscious

Hitler reduced unemployment.
Hitler united his people and prevented civil war.
Hitler was a vegetarian and a non-smoker.
Hitler gave us the Volkswagen Beetle for cryin' out loud.

Stop hatin', start participatin'. ;)

bush just hasent done anything YET. i'm getting very suspiscious
... lol? That guy across the street from me hasn't done anything... yet. However, he has a kitchen knife. He must be a mass murderer, or at least as bad as one!

bush just hasent done anything YET. i'm getting very suspiscious
I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight:p

... lol? That guy across the street from me hasn't done anything... yet. However, he has a kitchen knife. He must be a mass murderer, or at least as bad as one!
remind me to thank him for not stabing me.......yet:p

A couple of things i don't think anyone else mentioned:

He fought bravely in World War One, acting as a messanger between different parts of the line (one of the most dangerous positions in the war), earning himself an Iron Cross.

He supported animal rights.

He cleaned up most of the prostitution going on in Germany prior to his rise to power.

Hitler was a vegetarian and a non-smoker.
Hitler gave us the Volkswagen Beetle for cryin' out loud.

Stop hatin', start participatin'. ;)

why do people think being a vegetarian is a good thing? stay on the food chain and eat everything/one you can.

smoking isnt evil.


but vw's do indeed rock.

Hitler is not my least favourite politician. bush is.


Damn...
What a communist! :headbang:
Maybe Germany should think about sending new troops to poland.
You really compare a mass murderer with a conservative president????

Hitler did to many worse things. The best he did was the patriotism.
But if Jürgen Klinsmann can do it we don't need him ^^

He sponsored the development of the Volkswagon, which was a great little car and a very good idea.

I'm surprised that socialists (instead of National Socialists) didn't think of the idea first.

Damn...
What a communist! :headbang:
Maybe Germany should think about sending new troops to poland.
You really compare a mass murderer with a conservative president????

Hitler did to many worse things. The best he did was the patriotism.
But if Jürgen Klinsmann can do it we don't need him ^^
i am not a communist. i am very anti-communist. take a look at my political compass score.

I think your tinfoil hat is on too tight:p
i'm not wearing one.

Damn...
What a communist! :headbang: You honestly think a Polish communist would consider Bush worse than the man that was responsible for the country no longer existing for a while?
Maybe Germany should think about sending new troops to poland.Maybe not.

Hitler did to many worse things. The best he did was the patriotism.
But if Jürgen Klinsmann can do it we don't need him ^^"We"? If you consider what Hitler did as "patriotism", it's doubtful you grew up in Germany or are German, and then the "we" probably wouldn't apply...

He sponsored the development of the Volkswagon, which was a great little car and a very good idea.

I'm surprised that socialists (instead of National Socialists) didn't think of the idea first.It's difficult to do if you've been interned in a concentration camp for five years...

It's difficult to do if you've been interned in a concentration camp for five years...
That's what I figured. But I bet they got to put some of them together while performing slave labor.

Wasn't the VW just a publicity stunt anyway (at least at first)?

you are a moron.

there is no need for guns. people owning guns increase crime or injuries look at all those stupid yanks shooting up people in thier schools, or kids shooting themselves by mistake. or cops shooting inosent civilians.

thankfully i live in a country where not only civilians are not allowed have guns, but the police neither.
For someone who likes to call others moron, you seem woefully uninformed about guns, crime et al.

People owning guns by itself does not increase crime or injuries. It can be shown that owning guns has decreased crime in some circumstances.

Remember, it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.

People owning guns by itself does not increase crime or injuries. It can be shown that owning guns has decreased crime in some circumstances.

When?

When?
Town in Georgia passed a law that the head of households must have a gun adn be proficient in it's use. Crime in that town plummeted.

Well... speaking as an artist myself, it's average at best.
Mind you, it's not only his style I'm talking about, it's the purpose. What he produced is Wohnzimmerkunst, shallow pictures of nice things you like to put up on your living room wall, the equivalent of the famous crying clowns and dogs playing poker. Only even less original.

Goebbels once decreed "Kunst kommt von koennen. Kaeme es von wollen dann hiesse es ja Wunst", which pretty much sums up the general understanding the Nazis on the whole had of any form of art.


Well, I wouldn't mind one or two of these paintings on my drawing room wall. Some of them are quite pretty little conceits. Incidentally, how much would one have to pay for a Hitler?

EDIT: In Sterling.

People owning guns by itself does not increase crime or injuries. It can be shown that owning guns has decreased crime in some circumstances.
.

explain.

with facts.

Town in Georgia passed a law that the head of households must have a gun adn be proficient in it's use. Crime in that town plummeted.

other variables could have cause a decrease in crime.
for example; when a cummunity matures to a point where they do not need guns, it is posiblecrime decreses because that the majority of the cummunity is enlightend to the point were they produce less criminals.

explain.

with facts.
Estimates range from 800,000 to 3.5 million defensive gun uses each year in the US.

With the majority of those, the weapon never even gets fired. Compare those numbers with the total number of firearm related incidents each year.

other variables could have cause a decrease in crime.
for example; when a cummunity matures to a point where they do not need guns, it is posiblecrime decreses because that the majority of the cummunity is enlightend to the point were they produce less criminals.
In that particular example, the criminals knew that they had a much greater chance of getting shot if they committed their crimes in that town. They moved.

The fact is, anything Hitler did well was negated by his actions. And I'm not simply saying that his actions like the Holocaust negated anything good he did for Germany, but through his actions he led his nation into war, which led to its near destruction.

Anything that the people of germany gained in a positive sense through his actions was lost because he brought them to war, this his overall accomplishments were reset to 0.

Hitler was never on a par with Gustav Stresemann.

Estimates range from 800,000 to 3.5 million defensive gun uses each year in the US.

With the majority of those, the weapon never even gets fired. Compare those numbers with the total number of firearm related incidents each year.

that was pointless.

people have guns and there is gun violence.

When?
The US experienced a 64 percent decrease in violent firearm-related crime and a 50+ percent decrease in firearm murder over the same time period that gun ownership went from 200 million to 300 million firearms.

Wasn't the VW just a publicity stunt anyway (at least at first)?

Totally. It really didn't become the VW that people know today until it was restarted in 45 (i think), by the british.

They also renamed KdF Stadt, Wolfsburg.

In that particular example, the criminals knew that they had a much greater chance of getting shot if they committed their crimes in that town. They moved.

its easier for criminals to get guns where guns are leagal.
where i come gun violence is very rare and we dont have guns leagal.

imy area has the highest crime rating in the city, there has only been one gun related death in 20 years of me living here.

its easier for criminals to get guns where guns are leagal.
where i come gun violence is very rare and we dont have guns leagal.

imy area has the highest crime rating in the city, there has only been one gun related death in 20 years of me living here.

Here in the US, 94 percent of violent crime is committed without a firearm.

The US experienced a 64 percent decrease in violent firearm-related crime and a 50+ percent decrease in firearm murder over the same time period that gun ownership went from 200 million to 300 million firearms.

note that population went up and people also collect guns.

that was pointless.

people have guns and there is gun violence.
*edit*
I am not going to hijack this thread any longer. Back on topic.

Here in the US, 94 percent of violent crime is committed without a firearm.
so?

so?
So removing firearms from the US doesn't lower violent crime.

We've had a 65 percent reduction in violent crime over 10 years, while having a 50 percent increase in firearms owned.

And a 50 percent plus reduction in firearm murder over the same time period.

All with more guns.

So, you were saying?

how about the white power wierdo groups that obtain guns legally and then use them for crimes?

i personally think if a freedom results in one child death, then that freedom should be taken away.

how about the white power wierdo groups that obtain guns legally and then use them for crimes?

i personally think if a freedom results in one child death, then that freedom should be taken away.
And that is exactly what Hitler was good at... taking away freedoms.

how about the white power wierdo groups that obtain guns legally and then use them for crimes?

i personally think if a freedom results in one child death, then that freedom should be taken away.
If you look at the statistics, and look at child deaths, the majority of "children" that some parties use are over 18.

If you remove that, the majority of "children" who die annually from guns is far less than those who die in swimming pools.

Also, guns are used hundreds of thousands of times per year to stop crimes in progress without firing a shot.

I guess you want those crimes to occur, including murder.

Either that, or you want to ban swimming pools, stairs, bathtubs, and certain child safety seats that kill more kids than guns.

And that is exactly what Hitler was good at... taking away freedoms.
Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State. - Heinrich Himmler

If you look at the statistics, and look at child deaths, the majority of "children" that some parties use are over 18.

If you remove that, the majority of "children" who die annually from guns is far less than those who die in swimming pools.

Also, guns are used hundreds of thousands of times per year to stop crimes in progress without firing a shot.

I guess you want those crimes to occur, including murder.

Either that, or you want to ban swimming pools, stairs, bathtubs, and certain child safety seats that kill more kids than guns.
Don't forget cars... cars kill children.
And dogs... dogs kill children.
And falls.
And household cleaners.
And medication.
and.......
Aw the heck with it... in order to prevent the death of children, we just need to ban children.

Don't forget cars... cars kill children.
And dogs... dogs kill children.
And falls.
And household cleaners.
And medication.
and.......
Aw the heck with it... in order to prevent the death of children, we just need to ban children.

Doctors kill children. Parents kill children.

OMFG! Everything is lethal to children!

*blows himself up*

firstly i hate dogs, so if you want to kill all dogs, go ahead.


cars should be under strict law. i think traffic laws are not too strict enought.

firstly i hate dogs, so if you want to kill all dogs, go ahead.


cars should be under strict law. i think traffic laws are too strict.
I think there might be a translation issue going on here.

Cars should be under strick law, yet traffic laws (laws about cars) are too strict?

Totally. It really didn't become the VW that people know today until it was restarted in 45 (i think), by the british.
Not really. Considering that the factory was "only" opened in 1938, there wasn't really much time to produce the little cars for the masses before the war started.

They then produced the Typ 82 Kübel(sitz)wagen and the Typ 166 Schwimmwagen instead until resources ran out and the factory was destroyed in 1944.

The real problem in the whole Volkswagen story was that people had already made payments in advance on a KdF-Wagen. Approximately 340.000 persons (70.000 of which after 1939) had payed 280 million Reichsmark and that their certificates lost all value after the war.

Volkswagen has never received any of those payments, though, because the money was put in a "frozen" account at the Bank der Deutschen Arbeit.

firstly i hate dogs, so if you want to kill all dogs, go ahead.


cars should be under strict law. i think traffic laws are not too strict enought.

Well, life is the number one cause of death, so maybe we should do something about that.

Well, life is the number one cause of death, so maybe we should do something about that.


Perhaps we could ban dying and execute anyone who contravenes this measure.

Perhaps we could ban dying and execute anyone who contravenes this measure.
I second the motion by East Brittania.

very clever.

its hard to be clear when posting. but i thought what i ment was clear.

very clever.

its hard to be clear when posting. but i thought what i ment was clear.

du hast das Ziel nicht getroffen

pointless

du hast das Ziel nicht getroffen

Mine's a little rusty, but I'll have a go.

"You have a goal, but you didn't achieve it." Or thereabouts?

Mine's a little rusty, but I'll have a go.

"You have a goal, but you didn't achieve it." Or thereabouts?
You (the familiar "du") have missed the target.

At least he made the trains run on time :rolleyes:
Or was that Mussolini?

To unwind your political strings tonight, name something that your most hated politician did that you consider worthy of praise.

*



*I do not condone any of Hitler's actions, but I remember the slogan from a t-shirt and expanded it into a song.
err... he united the world under one (or two) causes.

probably already mentioned but he brought in those heart resucitation pad things, experiments on jews were carried out for it.

At least he made the trains run on time :rolleyes:
Or was that Mussolini?

Mussolini.


(Not that he actually did...)

Helped the world's population crisis.

you are a moron.

there is no need for guns. people owning guns increase crime or injuries look at all those stupid yanks shooting up people in thier schools, or kids shooting themselves by mistake. or cops shooting inosent civilians.

thankfully i live in a country where not only civilians are not allowed have guns, but the police neither.
A few things:
1) If you're going to try and make an argument, it's a lot easier to believe you if you don't have the spelling and grammar of an eight-year-old with downs.

2) It's interesting that you bring up how my country has a high murder rate. Because, oddly enough, the country to my north, Canada, owns more guns per capita and yet has less murders per thousand people (Source: Bowling for Columbine, producer: Michael Moore). So it seems that an increase of gun ownership doesn't correlate with an increase of murders.

3) It's also interesting that you bring up kids "shooting themselves by mistake" (who were they trying to shoot?). That's the fault of irresponsible parents. If you don't treat a gun with fear and respect, bad things happen. If you leave your handgun, loaded, on the dining room table, you don't deserve children. My parents kept their guns locked up until I was 13. Although they did give me an air rifle when I was 11.

4) I'm starting to get annoyed by non-Americans and non-Canadians making assumptions about gun ownership. As far as I'm aware, we're the only two who can own guns, please correct me if I'm wrong about this. You people seem to assume that by holding a gun in your hand, a switch goes off in your head and you become a soulless killing machine. Or that guns go around shooting people randomly. Come to either the US or Canada, go to a gun range, and try it for yourself.

The fact is, anything Hitler did well was negated by his actions. And I'm not simply saying that his actions like the Holocaust negated anything good he did for Germany, but through his actions he led his nation into war, which led to its near destruction.

Anything that the people of germany gained in a positive sense through his actions was lost because he brought them to war, this his overall accomplishments were reset to 0.Actually, if Hitler had had his way, Germany would have been destroyed completely. Luckily, Albert Speer didn't pass on his orders to completely dismantle Germany's infrastructure.

Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA - ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State. - Heinrich HimmlerIt's always good to quote people that are part of a movement that sought to overthrow the government with guns in order to argument in favor of such people having guns...

You (the familiar "du") have missed the target.
You have not hit the target :p
(And the "du" should have been capitalized ;) )

Errr...

Didn't he order the construction of the big no speed limit German High way?

No. He did many good things, which are ignored. He turned the worst off country in the world, into the greatest. He restored a broken nations pride in itself.


Had he not blamed the Jews, but rather held them as members of German society, Germany would be the Greatest nation in world history.


You sick fuck, you are praising ADOLF HITLER, the most evil man the this world has ever been home to. You are supporting a man that killed 6 million innocent people. He was a sickening terrible waste of a life. Dont even begin to say he was great, i dont care about him uniting germany, who cares about that, the man united germany with fear and terror. you might as wear a sign that says "I HATE JEWS." people like you are sickening and i dont understand why you even live.

You sick fuck, you are praising ADOLF HITLER, the most evil man the this world has ever been home to. You are supporting a man that killed 6 million innocent people. He was a sickening terrible waste of a life. Dont even begin to say he was great, i dont care about him uniting germany, who cares about that, the man united germany with fear and terror. you might as wear a sign that says "I HATE JEWS." people like you are sickening and i dont understand why you even live.So the other five million people he killed were guilty?

You sick fuck, you are praising ADOLF HITLER, the most evil man the this world has ever been home to. You are supporting a man that killed 6 million innocent people. He was a sickening terrible waste of a life. Dont even begin to say he was great, i dont care about him uniting germany, who cares about that, the man united germany with fear and terror. you might as wear a sign that says "I HATE JEWS." people like you are sickening and i dont understand why you even live.
calm down please. the topic of the thread is to find the good in the man. He did turn Germany around and as Wanderjar said...
Had he not blamed the Jews, but rather held them as members of German society, Germany would be the Greatest nation in world history.which means, if he didn't persecute the Jews, didn't throw them into the camps and institute the final solution.. things might've been different.

well, untill he started the war that is...

after all, he was Time Magazine's Man of the Year Twice I believe.

calm down please. the topic of the thread is to find the good in the man. He did turn Germany around and as Wanderjar said...
which means, if he didn't persecute the Jews, didn't throw them into the camps and institute the final solution.. things might've been different.

well, untill he started the war that is...

after all, he was Time Magazine's Man of the Year Twice I believe.


You cannot defend hitler. In any way shape or form. The things he did are inexcusable evil. There is no good in Adolf Hilter. And there is no good in anybody who can defend him.

calm down please. the topic of the thread is to find the good in the man. He did turn Germany around and as Wanderjar said...
which means, if he didn't persecute the Jews, didn't throw them into the camps and institute the final solution.. things might've been different.

well, untill he started the war that is...

after all, he was Time Magazine's Man of the Year Twice I believe.If he didn't persecute the jews, there'd still be the Sinti and Roma, homosexuals, the mentally and physically disabled, and just about anyone that dissented that he would be accountable for.

The Jews were the most persecuted, but dissenting political parties and groups were the first to be put in concentration camps.

So the other five million people he killed were guilty?


None of the people hitler exectued were guilty, of anything.

You cannot defend hitler. In any way shape or form. The things he did are inexcusable evil. There is no good in Adolf Hilter. And there is no good in anybody who can defend him.There's some good in everyone. Hitler was very nice to his dog and people he liked. It just pales in comparison to the evil he's done.

None of the people hitler exectued were guilty, of anything.Then up your number to about 11 million. Six million is the estimated number of Jews that died in concentration and extermination camps ;)

EDIT: Actually, that's not entirely true. Criminals were also sent to concentration camps.

There's some good in everyone. Hitler was very nice to his dog and people he liked. It just pales in comparison to the evil he's done.

Well, I'm sure Democrats here in the US are proud of the fact that Hitler was all about gun control for civilians. In fact, they were so proud, that Senator Metzenbaum merely had the Nazi gun laws translated into English, and minus a few revisions about Jews, submitted them as legislation.

You cannot defend hitler. In any way shape or form. The things he did are inexcusable evil. There is no good in Adolf Hilter. And there is no good in anybody who can defend him.
so Hitler pulled the wings off of flies as a young boy, he tortured puppies and slaughtered kittens as a toddler...

"The good that men do, is often interred with their bones. But the Evil that men do lives on"

thank you for providing the best example of this quote.

Well, I'm sure Democrats here in the US are proud of the fact that Hitler was all about gun control for civilians. In fact, they were so proud, that Senator Metzenbaum merely had the Nazi gun laws translated into English, and minus a few revisions about Jews, submitted them as legislation.Source it, please. ;)

Source it, please. ;)
Metzenbaum proposed so many failed bills along that line it will take me a bit to find the specific one.

The "sporting use" clause in the assault weapons ban was also lifted directly from the Nazi document.

Metzenbaum proposed so many failed bills along that line it will take me a bit to find the specific one.

The "sporting use" clause in the assault weapons ban was also lifted directly from the Nazi document.Goering's hunting laws are still in use over here today. We still use the Autobahn. In fact, the US highway system is based on Ike's experience on using the Autobahn to get his army through Germany.

Likewise, much of the Nazi immigration policies were inspired or copied from those of the US at the time and the United States received much praise for being the first to have such discriminatory immigration policies by the Nazis ;)

Goering's hunting laws are still in use over here today. We still use the Autobahn. In fact, the US highway system is based on Ike's experience on using the Autobahn to get his army through Germany.

Likewise, much of the Nazi immigration policies were inspired or copied from those of the US at the time and the United States received much praise for being the first to have such discriminatory immigration policies by the Nazis ;)

There's more than one... hang on... it looks like he loved to cut and paste from the Weimar document and the later revisions.

None of the people hitler exectued were guilty, of anything.
I'm pretty sure the murderers were guilty of murder…

The ONLY thing that he possibly did that was good was that he exposed the Neville Chamberlains of the world for the naive fools they were. We seem to have forgotten that lesson today.

The ONLY thing that he possibly did that was good was that he exposed the Neville Chamberlains of the world for the naive fools they were. We seem to have forgotten that lesson today.

Without Chamberlain the UK could never have rearmed enough to fight the war; he delayed the war enough for the UK to get to some sort of strength. The Brits couldn't have done anything; to intervene against Germany in the first two years of Chamberlain's administration would have been suicidal.

Sure, it may not have been what he was thinking, but it was a nice side-effect of his policy.

A few things:
1) If you're going to try and make an argument, it's a lot easier to believe you if you don't have the spelling and grammar of an eight-year-old with downs.
(snip)
This is why spelling/grammer police really shouldn't be given any budget whatsoever.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that english is not this posters first language.

Please be just a little forgiving next time.

This is why spelling/grammer police really shouldn't be given any budget whatsoever.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that english is not this posters first language.

Please be just a little forgiving next time.
Ah, fair enough then.

Without Chamberlain the UK could never have rearmed enough to fight the war; he delayed the war enough for the UK to get to some sort of strength. The Brits couldn't have done anything; to intervene against Germany in the first two years of Chamberlain's administration would have been suicidal.

Sure, it may not have been what he was thinking, but it was a nice side-effect of his policy.

Germany could not have invaded my backyard if the pacifists had not allowed him to break the treaties Germany signed after WWI.

Without Chamberlain the UK could never have rearmed enough to fight the war; he delayed the war enough for the UK to get to some sort of strength. The Brits couldn't have done anything; to intervene against Germany in the first two years of Chamberlain's administration would have been suicidal.

Sure, it may not have been what he was thinking, but it was a nice side-effect of his policy.Makes you wonder why Churchill kept him briefed on everything, though...

Germany could not have invaded my backyard if the pacifists had not allowed him to break the treaties Germany signed after WWI.

The "pacifists" not being Chamberlain. He didn't get into power until 1937.

And you're a fool to call the ones in the early years of the Nazi regime pacifists.

They saw Germany rising to be a 'great nation' again, and felt Germany had been harshly done by Versailles; they were nationalists themselves and could sympathise with Hitler's demands. They also saw Germany as a useful ally against the USSR. The German and British elite were, and always have been, very close.

After all...taking back the Rhineland didn't seem to bad; just moving into his own "back garden".

And let's not forget that many of them simply misjudged Hitler, believing him to be a great leader. In the words of Churchill himself "One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as indomitable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations."

Misjudgement. Nothing more, nothing less.

No these men weren't pacifists; these men who were warring to further build Empires were no pacifists at all. Misguided nationalits who sympathised with the Nazis and misjudged Hitler, maybe. Pacifists? No.

Hitler reduced unemployment.
Hitler united his people and prevented civil war.
Hitler was a vegetarian and a non-smoker.
Hitler gave us the Volkswagen Beetle for cryin' out loud.

Stop hatin', start participatin'. ;)
Hitler used devious means to reduce unemployment.
Vegetarianism is bad.
:)

Without Chamberlain the UK could never have rearmed enough to fight the war; he delayed the war enough for the UK to get to some sort of strength. The Brits couldn't have done anything; to intervene against Germany in the first two years of Chamberlain's administration would have been suicidal.

Sure, it may not have been what he was thinking, but it was a nice side-effect of his policy.

Nah, that's wrong.

Britain+France+Check Republic could have taken out germany in 1938. The german army wasn't ready to fight during the munich crisis and the OKW knew it.

Nah, that's wrong.

Britain+France+Check Republic could have taken out germany in 1938. The german army wasn't ready to fight during the munich crisis and the OKW knew it.That's probably why Hitler bitchslapped Mussolini for organizing the conference...

That's probably why Hitler bitchslapped Mussolini for organizing the conference...
I thought Hitler bitchslapped Mussolini all the time, after all, Mussolini was his bitch.

A few things:
1) If you're going to try and make an argument, it's a lot easier to believe you if you don't have the spelling and grammar of an eight-year-old with downs.

2) It's interesting that you bring up how my country has a high murder rate. Because, oddly enough, the country to my north, Canada, owns more guns per capita and yet has less murders per thousand people (Source: Bowling for Columbine, producer: Michael Moore). So it seems that an increase of gun ownership doesn't correlate with an increase of murders.

3) It's also interesting that you bring up kids "shooting themselves by mistake" (who were they trying to shoot?). That's the fault of irresponsible parents. If you don't treat a gun with fear and respect, bad things happen. If you leave your handgun, loaded, on the dining room table, you don't deserve children. My parents kept their guns locked up until I was 13. Although they did give me an air rifle when I was 11.

4) I'm starting to get annoyed by non-Americans and non-Canadians making assumptions about gun ownership. As far as I'm aware, we're the only two who can own guns, please correct me if I'm wrong about this. You people seem to assume that by holding a gun in your hand, a switch goes off in your head and you become a soulless killing machine. Or that guns go around shooting people randomly. Come to either the US or Canada, go to a gun range, and try it for yourself.

whoa you are an awfull retard.

1/ i'm dysexic. i'm sure many people on this forum are too. aslo my wrist is infured so it takes effort to correct my spelling. spelling is not a skill, computers do it for us.

2/ i'm pretty sure my country has a lower murder rate than yours. again i say, my area has the highest crime rating in the capital of my country, only you death due to guns in 20 years i lived here.

3/unfortunity morons are allowed to reproduce.

4/complete utter retard. of course other countries allow guns. you fucking idiot. i wonder does africa have violence?

The Jews were the most persecuted, but dissenting political parties and groups were the first to be put in concentration camps.

jews should stop moaning about that. i do believe, unless someone has the right facts to correct me, 22 milion russians were killed. so juck the jews. 6 mill is nothing. there are bigger genocides than that. ireland, armenia, vietnam, native americans.

Without Chamberlain the UK could never have rearmed enough to fight the war; he delayed the war enough for the UK to get to some sort of strength. The Brits couldn't have done anything; to intervene against Germany in the first two years of Chamberlain's administration would have been suicidal.

Sure, it may not have been what he was thinking, but it was a nice side-effect of his policy.


What a crock!! He delayed the war long enough for HITLER to re-arm! Sheese take out a history book - and READ it.

jews should stop moaning about that. i do believe, unless someone has the right facts to correct me, 22 milion russians were killed. so juck the jews. 6 mill is nothing. there are bigger genocides than that. ireland, armenia, vietnam, native americans.


You know I think you have a point. I think there is way too much crying over the jews, other entities have suffered much worse or dreadfull fates......