NationStates Jolt Archive

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Monday, August 07, 2006

YUMA, Ariz. — Nine illegal immigrants were killed in a highway crash Monday while trying to elude Border Patrol agents, and at least 12 others were injured, officials said.

The large sport utility vehicle carrying up to 22 people swerved to avoid a spike strip put out by Border Patrol agents, Sheriff's Maj. Leon Wilmot said.
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Darwin award winners...for sure.

All I can say is:

A)I am going to have to work harder to pay for the lawsuit damages the moron judge will give the families of the 21 Illegal aliens
B) Should have pulled over, or better yet, not crossed
C) How do you fit 21 people in an SUV? Even in a large one that's tough
D) Did you really expect to go far with 21 people in an ancient SUV?
E) The border patrol will probably get sued over this, as always...
F) Oh, and it's Bush's fault.

22 people. :eek:

Coyotes don't care about human life.. no one else will say it, but regulating immigration could help stop these kinds of accidents.

Coyotes don't care about human life.. no one else will say it, but regulating immigration could help stop these kinds of accidents.

So could deregulating it.

It doesn't really matter either way. This is sad because people guilty of nothing more than trying to make a decent living died a tragic death. While it is political in nature, it is vicious and heartless to turn it into a political windfall.

People would be less gloating about if these were Americans.

So could deregulating it.

It doesn't really matter either way. This is sad because people guilty of nothing more than trying to make a decent living died a tragic death. While it is political in nature, it is vicious and heartless to turn it into a political windfall.

People would be less gloating about if these were Americans.

If it was yanks somebody would be being bombed right now.

So could deregulating it.

It doesn't really matter either way. This is sad because people guilty of nothing more than trying to make a decent living died a tragic death.

That, and breaking the law.

While it is political in nature, it is vicious and heartless to turn it into a political windfall.

People would be less gloating about if these were Americans.

There's no way to make a political windfall out of it. No one cares, and similar incidents happen all the time. It won't make the papers outside L.A.

There's no way to make a political windfall out of it. No one cares, and similar incidents happen all the time. It won't make the papers outside L.A.

But you just tried to make it into political currency.

There's no way to make a political windfall out of it. No one cares, and similar incidents happen all the time. It won't make the papers outside L.A.

I hadn't realised that Brazil was now in L.A. Thanks for the heads up.

But you just tried to make it into political currency.

It's one in an unending series of tragic but unremarkable incidents. It can't be ignored because it's part of the issue itself, but one more incident won't change the overall situation, and I don't recall claiming it as proof of anything in particular.

I hadn't realised that Brazil was now in L.A. Thanks for the heads up.

We are L.A. You will be assimilated.

I hadn't realised that Brazil was now in L.A. Thanks for the heads up.

Heh. What I was saying was, that it won't be a political windfall for anyone because no one here will hear about it.. Whether it gets a blurb in Brazil is irrelevant. Brazilians don't dictate U.S. border policy and can't draw a political windfall from it either, unless you have local candidates making an issue out of foreigners' border chaos. :p

Heh. What I was saying was, that it won't be a political windfall for anyone because no one here will hear about it.. Whether it gets a blurb in Brazil is irrelevant. Brazilians don't dictate U.S. border policy and can't draw a political windfall from it either, unless you have local candidates making an issue out of foreigners' border chaos. :p

Why not? Candidates in the US make issues out of foreigners' border chaos all the time. Let Brazil have a crack at that whip I say.

"Whoops"? God, how fucking callous can you be?

"Whoops"? God, how fucking callous can you be?
That's a depth you probably don't want to plum...

That's a depth you probably don't want to plum...

Plumb?

Plumb?

No. You do not want to fruit those depths.

No. You do not want to fruit those depths.

His depths are fruity?

No. You do not want to fruit those depths.
That...yeah,...because, uh, it will prune up and be gross and, uh, yeah...(dammit...at least it happened in a thread titled "oops")

That...yeah,...because, uh, it will prune up and be gross and, uh, yeah...(dammit...at least it happened in a thread titled "oops")
"Whoops")

"Whoops")

Whoops indeed :P

His depths are fruity?
Maybe it's just that he is fruity?

"Whoops")

This thread stinks of fail. :mad:

It's all very "myserious"!!!

Darwin award winners...for sure.

"Not American == Not People"

Fine attitude there, son. I, for one, am glad that attitude will keep you out of the US Military.

"Not American == Not People"

Fine attitude there, son. I, for one, am glad that attitude will keep you out of the US Military.

Must... Hold back... Snide remark...

Plumb?
Maybe he means Plump.
Or possibly Plume
Or even Plumf.

very mysterious

Maybe it's just that he is fruity?
Hmmm..so you're suggesting that DM has repressed sexuality.

That would explain a lot.

Hmmm..so you're suggesting that DM has repressed sexuality.

That would explain a lot.

Yeah...yeah it would. The whole macho "kill 'em all!" thing. All those guns... Makes so much more sense now.

All I can say is:

A)I am going to have to work harder to pay for the lawsuit damages the moron judge will give the families of the 21 Illegal aliens
How?

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All I can say is:

A)I am going to have to work harder to pay for the lawsuit damages the moron judge will give the families of the 21 Illegal aliens

Hows that work then? You already told us before you don't pay taxes.

Coyotes don't care about human life.. no one else will say it, but regulating immigration could help stop these kinds of accidents.
Eww... Regulation. The only reason why Coyotes (slang for those who smuggle Mexicans into the US) exist is because immigration is regulated. If it weren't, they could walk across the border no problem. Coyotes are hired to help these people avoid immigration and Border Patrol.

That, and breaking the law.
Oh, kindly shut the fuck up. Seriously, saying "but it's the law" is the most retarded argument I have ever heard. And what pisses me off is that so many people say it! Look, we live in a country that was founded on the principle that government requires the consent of the governed. We don't live in a society of divine providence, no matter how much Bush wants it to be. If there's a law that is suddenly unpopular, the government takes notice. If there's a law that's unconstitutional, it is reversed. Our law isn't written in stone. At best, it's written in pencil. Don't give the argument "it's the law". If this were the 1940's, would you be saying, "The policy of interring Japanese for indefinate terms without probable cause seems like a xenophobic and unconstitutional policy" or would you say "it's the law"?

Oh, kindly shut the fuck up. Seriously, saying "but it's the law" is the most retarded argument I have ever heard. And what pisses me off is that so many people say it! Look, we live in a country that was founded on the principle that government requires the consent of the governed. We don't live in a society of divine providence, no matter how much Bush wants it to be. If there's a law that is suddenly unpopular, the government takes notice. If there's a law that's unconstitutional, it is reversed. Our law isn't written in stone. At best, it's written in pencil. Don't give the argument "it's the law". If this were the 1940's, would you be saying, "The policy of interring Japanese for indefinate terms without probable cause seems like a xenophobic and unconstitutional policy" or would you say "it's the law"?

The post you're quoting was my reply to this:

This is sad because people guilty of nothing more than trying to make a decent living died a tragic death.

All melodrama aside, they did break the law. That was my response on page one. No one deserves to die on account of breaking this particular law, but they broke it just the same.

The problem with the border is that it is not in any way consistent. It's partially regulated at best. Consequently, it lures people in, punishing some and ignoring others. That's no way to do things. If you want to call anyone who's anti-illegal immigration anti-immigrant, then go ahead, but it's not accurate. There are tens of millions of people around the globe who want to come here as citizens, and that right should be distributed fairly in a controlled way, not in uncontrollable bursts and stops depending on foreign economies.

I'm not one of the Marxists you'll see occasionally around here who'll declare that borders should be abolished, and I don't care if the Founding Fathers' guiding principle was love of fruit cocktail.. the majority do not want an unregulated border. There is nothing unconstitutional about regulating the border.

OP-snip


You're disgusting. As simple as that.

You're disgusting. As simple as that.
'mmm.

You're disgusting. As simple as that.
Indeed. Although he does have a point... 22 people in one SUV? That's certainly either Guinness Book of Records or Darwin Award material. However, the point is that these people died trying to cross the border, which is obviously completely undeserved. It's a freakin' line on a map. It's not like they murdered someone.

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Monday, August 07, 2006

YUMA, Ariz. — Nine illegal immigrants were killed in a highway crash Monday while trying to elude Border Patrol agents, and at least 12 others were injured, officials said.

The large sport utility vehicle carrying up to 22 people swerved to avoid a spike strip put out by Border Patrol agents, Sheriff's Maj. Leon Wilmot said.
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Darwin award winners...for sure.

All I can say is:

A)I am going to have to work harder to pay for the lawsuit damages the moron judge will give the families of the 21 Illegal aliens
B) Should have pulled over, or better yet, not crossed
C) How do you fit 21 people in an SUV? Even in a large one that's tough
D) Did you really expect to go far with 21 people in an ancient SUV?
E) The border patrol will probably get sued over this, as always...
F) Oh, and it's Bush's fault.

If you had a 20 metre wall on the border, those people would still be alive...

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Monday, August 07, 2006

YUMA, Ariz. — Nine illegal immigrants were killed in a highway crash Monday while trying to elude Border Patrol agents, and at least 12 others were injured, officials said.

The large sport utility vehicle carrying up to 22 people swerved to avoid a spike strip put out by Border Patrol agents, Sheriff's Maj. Leon Wilmot said.
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Darwin award winners...for sure.

All I can say is:

A)I am going to have to work harder to pay for the lawsuit damages the moron judge will give the families of the 21 Illegal aliens
B) Should have pulled over, or better yet, not crossed
C) How do you fit 21 people in an SUV? Even in a large one that's tough
D) Did you really expect to go far with 21 people in an ancient SUV?
E) The border patrol will probably get sued over this, as always...
F) Oh, and it's Bush's fault.


D'you know what a mexican says when buying a lorrie? (van)

'Olvidate de las millas per gallon! Cuantos personas caben en el baul?'

Indeed. Although he does have a point... 22 people in one SUV? That's certainly either Guinness Book of Records or Darwin Award material. However, the point is that these people died trying to cross the border, which is obviously completely undeserved. It's a freakin' line on a map. It's not like they murdered someone.

Seconded. I always wonder whatever happened to the 'huddled masses' in 'pursuit of happiness'.
But I guess the only one not neediong to check with existing inhabitants is the White Man, because it's his burden to make a profit off the native population. Or something.

So could deregulating it.

It doesn't really matter either way. This is sad because people guilty of nothing more than trying to make a decent living died a tragic death. While it is political in nature, it is vicious and heartless to turn it into a political windfall.

People would be less gloating about if these were Americans.

Gloating about it is digusting. However I sincerely doubt your opinion that there would be less gloating if they were Americans. For some, it would be a cause for celebration.

It won't make the papers outside L.A.

That's probably why I already knew the story all the way over here on the East Coast.... because it hasn't been on the 'net news.

Gloating about it is digusting. However I sincerely doubt your opinion that there would be less gloating if they were Americans. For some, it would be a cause for celebration.
For some yes … but I have not seen that kind of vindictive nature out of kinda sensible before nor have I seen that out of many of the posters.

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Monday, August 07, 2006

YUMA, Ariz. — Nine illegal immigrants were killed in a highway crash Monday while trying to elude Border Patrol agents, and at least 12 others were injured, officials said.

The large sport utility vehicle carrying up to 22 people swerved to avoid a spike strip put out by Border Patrol agents, Sheriff's Maj. Leon Wilmot said.
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Darwin award winners...for sure.

All I can say is:

A)I am going to have to work harder to pay for the lawsuit damages the moron judge will give the families of the 21 Illegal aliens
B) Should have pulled over, or better yet, not crossed
C) How do you fit 21 people in an SUV? Even in a large one that's tough
D) Did you really expect to go far with 21 people in an ancient SUV?
E) The border patrol will probably get sued over this, as always...
F) Oh, and it's Bush's fault.

You're only eligible for a Darwin award if you are the cause of your own death or sterility via gross negligence or stupidity. These poor souls don't qualify. While piling 22 into an SUV isn't bright, it is not lethal nor sterilizing. Though if the Driver himself died (unlikely) he could qualify.

I do however look foward to reading your winning entry to the Darwin awards there DM.

Seconded. I always wonder whatever happened to the 'huddled masses' in 'pursuit of happiness'.
But I guess the only one not neediong to check with existing inhabitants is the White Man, because it's his burden to make a profit off the native population. Or something.


I strongly suggest you research immigration into the US, specifically about Ellis Island.

And please, don't be so ignorant. The US is hardly a "white" nation. Just look at the census figures.

I vote assimilation and separation of Mexico into states then laugh at all the xenophobes who protest because they are closet racists.

Hmmm..... illegal immigrants..... nope, don't give a flying fuck.:)

I strongly suggest you research immigration into the US, specifically about Ellis Island.

And please, don't be so ignorant. The US is hardly a "white" nation. Just look at the census figures.

I was referring to pre-1776 immigration, but nevermind.

"In an introduction to a more detailed population profile (see references below), the Census Bureau highlighted the following facts about U.S population dynamics:

* 75.1% of respondents said they were White and no other race;
* 12.3% are of Black or African-American descent;
* Hispanics - who may belong to any race - accounted for 12.5% of the U.S. population, up from 9% in 1990;
* 3.6% of respondents are Asian;
* 2.4% of respondents are multiracial (2 or more races). The 2000 Census was the first time survey options for multiracial Americans were provided."

I don't recall stating the US was 'white nation', I merely tried to get a statement concerning the acceptability of European, i.e. predominantely white, immigration vs. the immigration of other people.

That's probably why I already knew the story all the way over here on the East Coast.... because it hasn't been on the 'net news.


Same here- I'm on the East Coast too. This is national news. And I'm sure the vast majority of Americans that heard about it also ARE NOT gloating the tragic deaths, but more feeling terrible for the victims. And the Border Patrol Agents that DONT want to kill these illegals.

I'm against illegal immigration. I DONT want to see the people that attempt to cross illegally die of dehydration in the dessert-or locked in a tractor trailer in high heat, or in accidents like this.

I want to see deplorable conditions in their home country improve so people arent willing to pay high prices and act desperately to get here. And the ones that do come here, do so legally-documented and responsible.

E) The border patrol will probably get sued over this, as always...


If the border patrol acted negligently (which we can't see from this one way or the other) and that negligence resulted in the death of people, shouldn't they get sued for that? (ignoring any sovereign immunity problems that might crop up of course).

Hmmm..so you're suggesting that DM has repressed sexuality.

That would explain a lot.
Actually I was suggesting... Aw fuck this, he isn't worth it. Not by a long shot.

*Leaves thread*

Hmmm..... illegal immigrants..... nope, don't give a flying fuck.:)
Hmmm..... human beings..... yep, I give a flying fuck.

Hmmm..... human beings..... yep, I give a flying fuck.

Human beings are worth very little.

F) Oh, and it's Bush's fault.
A truer word was never spoken. I mean that, really. It is absolutely his fault. I want o make sure you understand that I am not being sarcastic. The present mess at the border is very plainly our moron of a president's fault.

Human beings are worth very little.
Well, gee, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, skip. I am really anti-people dying unneccesarily.

Well, gee, I'm gonna have to disagree with you there, skip. I am really anti-people dying unneccesarily.

Human lives are worthless in the grand scheme of things.

Human lives are worthless in the grand scheme of things.

So sell yourself today, before your worth drops even more!

So sell yourself today, before your worth drops even more!

If only there was a market for human beings.

If only there was a market for human beings.

Well, there is eBay.

Human lives are worthless in the grand scheme of things.
Okay, so in five hundred years no one will remember that you, I, or anyone else existed. Fair enough. But to use that as an excuse to revel in the black comedy that is human tragedy and misery is probably the most fucked up practice in which I've seen my fellow man engage. The second most? To use the same statement to just not care about the same tragedy and misery. You, I and everyone we know probably won't be remembered in the long run, but the society in which we live will. I honestly can't believe people who think they can ignore human tragedy just because they have no personal connection to it. I'm not going to cry at a stranger's funeral, but I'm not going say, "At least his life was worthless".

Human lives are worthless in the grand scheme of things.

The hell are you on about? A blue eyed girl goes for 50 grand on the slave market.

"Whoops"? God, how fucking callous can you be?

I dunno, but breaking the laws of my country trying to get in makes me a little biased against you. And the part about running from the police. Tough **** hombres.


Probably would have been safer applying to get here legally.....might have skipped that whole illegal entry thing....saved ME some money and saved you your lives....but hey, waste yours how you want.

The hell are you on about? A blue eyed girl goes for 50 grand on the slave market.

Really?! *starts pricing classmates for Ebay. Damned college kids*

Really?! *starts pricing classmates for Ebay. Damned college kids*

I'm pretty sure theres a rule against the trafficking of human body parts. And I believe a classmate counts as a body part.

I'm pretty sure theres a rule against the trafficking of human body parts. And I believe a classmate counts as a body part.

It's only illegal if you get caught.

It's only illegal if you get caught.

FOR SALE: 20 year old female; good condition; few scratches on undercarriage. 20,000 OBO wanted.

Yeah, thats not difficult to detect...

A truer word was never spoken. I mean that, really. It is absolutely his fault. I want o make sure you understand that I am not being sarcastic. The present mess at the border is very plainly our moron of a president's fault.

I know. I'm angry at him for selling us out in favor of votes and for more tax revenue in the form of less worker related spendings via cheap labor.

The evil empire built it
Reagan tore it down
Bush needs to build it..
A wall

(Lame Haiku)

Really?! *starts pricing classmates for Ebay. Damned college kids*

Are you trying to sell me into a life of harlotry?

AHHHHHHHH!