NationStates Jolt Archive

And you thought this was going to be about Palistine! :D

I have seen excitment over the assumed pending doom of Castro.

Many comments also involved what parents and grandparents owned and lost in 1959.

So do the Cubans have a right to return and or to claim former assets?

Are they justified to claim compensation?

If history is any guide, fuck the right of return.

Yup.

Well, if they can provide proof that their property in Cuba was taken from them in the 1959 revolution then they should have the right to reclaim it. I would limit that to the people who directly lost the property and not the grandchildren or children of those whose property was taken by the Cuban government.

If the Cuban government decides to make any dramatic changes in its economic or political system (like the USSR in 1992) they should do so slowly rather than pull another free-market free-for-all that might produce the kind of corruption and gangsterism that is seen in many Russian businesses.

They can bitch and moan about it, but nothing will come of it. Eithern that or they'll fuck something up.

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Geddit?

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Geddit?

You obviously have not had enough beer. Sit down and drink.

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Geddit?
You're obviously anti-Semitic.

No. They don't have the right. Happened too long ago. Also, for better or worse, the Cuban government is sovereign, so it can do as it sees fit with property under its control.

Finders keepers, losers weepers?

No. They don't have the right. Happened too long ago. Also, for better or worse, the Cuban government is sovereign, so it can do as it sees fit with property under its control.

What is "too long ago?"

The people affected are still alive(well most I think).

It's different from the cliams of the decendents of the US slaves.

So what if people are still alive. Should the PRC start handing back property to people in the ROC who are still alive?

Anyway, I gather most of these people left Cuba when castro came to power. They've been here for half a century, become citizens, and really have very little material interest in the day to day administration of the island (other than historical ties). I can't see their interest in it. As far as I am concerned they abandoned their claims when they became refugees. (Or does the US government get to offset the costs of their resettlement from their claims if this comes to pass).

Anway, like it or not, the Castro regime is the legitimate sovereign, so it can dispose of property under its control as it sees fit. Governments do this all the time. I don't see why this particular group of people have some special extra-government right in property that once belonged to them.

So what if people are still alive. Should the PRC start handing back property to people in the ROC who are still alive?



And yet the PRC says it has claim to Taiwan. Doesn't the same principle apply?

no.

cuba has been reformed and there is no place for reparations. they cant afford to go back to the old days. the people who currently own this stolen property should be able to keep it.

unless some of the claims are for government owned property. that should be returned to whomever can reasonably make the claim. it needs to be distributed anyway, it may as well go to whomever used to own it. that would also bring more investment money into cuba.

oh and any non-real estate should be returned to whomever can prove the claim in court. art, jewelry, any other moveable treasures, should be returned to their rightful owners.

And yet the PRC says it has claim to Taiwan. Doesn't the same principle apply?

Not really. That's a territorial dispute between governments, not about individual property claims.

It would be more like china deciding to nationalize everything in HK, then the refugees claiming fifty years from now that they had a right to compensation. Not saying it's fair, just that there is no 'right' to compensation. Governments take shit all the time.