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...how may of you are in the miltary/are going in to the military/have retired from the military; and what branch you are/were apart of.

I was in the DOD; does that count? ;)

I was in the Navy. I was an Electronic Warfare Technician. EW2. :)

My job was to protect the ship from incoming missiles. Just in case you were wondering who did. :D

...how may of you are in the miltary/are going in to the military/have retired from the military; and what branch you are/were apart of.

Joining the Marines.

HOOAH!

I was in the Navy. I was an Electronic Warfare Technician. EW2. :)

My job was to protect the ship from incoming missiles. Just in case you were wondering who did. :D

CIWS eh?

CIWS eh?

No. The OSs operated that. I operated the SLQ-32 and Super RBOC launchers.

CIWS is a last resort. An act of desperation. *nod*

I was in the Navy. I was an Electronic Warfare Technician. EW2. :)

My job was to protect the ship from incoming missiles. Just in case you were wondering who did. :D
o that sounds like a fun job:)

No. The OSs operated that. I operated the SLQ-32 and Super RBOC launchers.

CIWS is a last resort. An act of desperation. *nod*

Oh, sorry man. I'm not much up on the Navy. My Mom's side of the family is real hot on me joining the Navy, while my Dads side, overwhelmingly Army, wants me to stay out period. My "compromise" was the Marine Corps. :D



That, and I have always wanted to be a Marine, ever since I was very young.

it's an option...but who knows

o that sounds like a fun job:)

It helped mold my personality; When you are responsible for doing a job that you hope never to have to do, but you have to constantly drill for and know to the best of your ability because hundreds or thousands of your shipmates' lives depend on you being the absolute best at your job that you can be, all the other little stresses of life become background noise.

It teaches you that boiled down to it's essentials, very little in life really matters.

Oh, sorry man. I'm not much up on the Navy. My Mom's side of the family is real hot on me joining the Navy, while my Dads side, overwhelmingly Army, wants me to stay out period. My "compromise" was the Marine Corps. :D



That, and I have always wanted to be a Marine, ever since I was very young.

That's okay. Unfortunately, one of the problems with knowing what I know about anti-ship missile defense is that I can't bear rp here on NationStates. It's painful to watch. That's why I wandered over to general forum and never left. :)

It helped mold my personality; When you are responsible for doing a job that you hope never to have to do, but you have to constantly drill for and know to the best of your ability because hundreds or thousands of your shipmates' lives depend on you being the absolute best at your job that you can be, all the other little stresses of life become background noise.

It teaches you that boiled down to it's essentials, very little in life really matters.
ay, that is true. i think that is a good out look to have on life

It helped mold my personality; When you are responsible for doing a job that you hope never to have to do, but you have to constantly drill for and know to the best of your ability because hundreds or thousands of your shipmates' lives depend on you being the absolute best at your job that you can be, all the other little stresses of life become background noise.

It teaches you that boiled down to it's essentials, very little in life really matters.
So when you left the Navy, you replaced people's lives with mud?

So when you left the Navy, you replaced people's lives with mud?

Wouldn't you?

That's okay. Unfortunately, one of the problems with knowing what I know about anti-ship missile defense is that I can't bear rp here on NationStates. It's painful to watch. That's why I wandered over to general forum and never left. :)

Yeah, thats why I stick with infantry, armor, and aerial combat, something I know a great deal about. Naval combat however, I'm lost, so I avoid it at all costs. Though I did win a war using only my Navy and one MEU.....

That's okay. Unfortunately, one of the problems with knowing what I know about anti-ship missile defense is that I can't bear rp here on NationStates. It's painful to watch. That's why I wandered over to general forum and never left. :)
Why so painfull?

Is it something similar to an American kid telling a Russian how great communism is.

DISCLAIMER: Some Russian still like communism. That kind of propoganda doesn't go away overnight.

Nay. It's off to Canada before I join the armed forces. Just not something I'm suited for.

It teaches you that boiled down to it's essentials, very little in life really matters.

I've never been in the military, nor do I plan to, but I've known that tidbit since I was a little tyke.

"You're not as cool/athletic/tall/etc as the rest of us"/"You're weird."
"So?"
"So you're unpopular."
"So?"
"So we're gonna shun you."
"Mkay, you have fun. I'm gonna go read a book."

Wouldn't you?
I wouldn't join the Navy.

The Air Force, that is if I don't flunk out of ROTC.

Yeah, thats why I stick with infantry, armor, and aerial combat, something I know a great deal about. Naval combat however, I'm lost, so I avoid it at all costs. Though I did win a war using only my Navy and one MEU.....

Thank you. :)

The first time I read a post where one nation's fleet launched 900 missiles at another nation's fleet I knew I was going to get into trouble. :p

Why so painfull?

Is it something similar to an American kid telling a Russian how great communism is.
I think LG's pain is more related to patrol boats sinking aircraft carriers or something like that.

The Air Force, that is if I don't flunk out of ROTC.


Why would you be flunking ROTC?

Thank you. :)

The first time I read a post where one nation's fleet launched 900 missiles at another nation's fleet I knew I was going to get into trouble. :p

Uh, someone who does that doesn't even know about warfare, much less Naval Warfare. I use cruise missles more for long range strikes on enemy positions, and I only launch them by one or two per ship, since I thought that rate would be more realistic. Most of my naval action is done via Naval Aviators or Battleships and Destroyers (Which still exist in II, though not in RL ;))

Not my bag. They seem to be awfully keen on getting up early and running around shouting. That would seriously cut into my sitting around eating Pizza watching porno time. So no. Not for me.

If they introduce a lie-in till midday policy, I may reconsider.

ok i have a stupid question..did i forget the Navy( in the poll) or are they a sub-branch of one of the other branches of the miltary:confused:

ok i have a stupid question..did i forget the Navy( in the poll) or are they a sub-branch of one of the other branches of the miltary:confused:

They are deffinately not a subbranch. If you didn't add them, you forgot them.

I think LG's pain is more related to patrol boats sinking aircraft carriers or something like that.
0_o

They can do that? You'd think with all the aircarft on board, the carrier could defend itself.

ok i have a stupid question..did i forget the Navy( in the poll) or are they a sub-branch of one of the other branches of the miltary:confused:

Just pretend that they are part of the Coast Guard. They both have boats.

0_o

They can do that? You'd think with all the aircarft on board, the carrier could defend itself.

A Sub can get real close to an aircraft carrier though. Close enough to launch that one deadly salvo of torpedoes. Precisely why they made the Carrier Defense doctrine.

They are deffinately not a subbranch. If you didn't add them, you forgot them.
They are their own branch too?

They got the Navy, Marine Corp, and the Coast Gaurd. Why do you need three different people in boats?

0_o

They can do that? You'd think with all the aircarft on board, the carrier could defend itself.
They can't, but it wouldn't surprise me if someone tried to roleplay that, or something equally improbable.

A Sub can get real close to an aircraft carrier though. Close enough to launch that one deadly salvo of torpedoes. Precisely why they made the Carrier Defense doctrine.
That makes sense. But a patrol boat? Plz.

They are their own branch too?

They got the Navy, Marine Corp, and the Coast Gaurd. Why do you need three different people in boats?

'Tis lonely at sea.

They are their own branch too?

They got the Navy, Marine Corp, and the Coast Gaurd. Why do you need three different people in boats?
so that they can practice shooting each other
*nods*
really i have no idea

They are their own branch too?

They got the Navy, Marine Corp, and the Coast Gaurd. Why do you need three different people in boats?
They couldn't agree on one single color for the boats. Sure, they all look gray to the untrained eye, but is it "silvery gray," "seabird gray," or "summer haze gray"?

They are their own branch too?

They got the Navy, Marine Corp, and the Coast Gaurd. Why do you need three different people in boats?


The Marine Corps don't have their own boats! Their attached to Navy and the Department of the Navy. But they are officially their own branch.

Why would you be flunking ROTC?

Well, ROTC plus my other classes is going to make one hell of a workload. There's always the chance that I'll be burned out by midterms.

They are deffinately not a subbranch. If you didn't add them, you forgot them.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
:fluffle: for all you Navy folks, sorry you were left ot of the poll we still love you:fluffle:

That makes sense. But a patrol boat? Plz.

Patrol Boats are important for Riverine patrols. Ever heard to the Riverine force? The PBRs? They generally focus on deploying Special Forces, Navy SEALs, and MFRs/MSOGs into combat zones now.

Why so painfull?

Is it something similar to an American kid telling a Russian how great communism is.

DISCLAIMER: Some Russian still like communism. That kind of propoganda doesn't go away overnight.

Well, let's take the example I gave above; "My fleet launches 900 missiles at your fleet"

First, that's strategically unlikely. No military ship launches it's entire store of missiles in one volley even if they have the ability(and few do).

Second, how do they launch? Assuming that the enemy ships have electronic warfare equipment and skilled operators, the first thing they would do is jam any targeting radars they detect, thus making launches difficult or impossible for a time(how long depends on range and the skill of the radar operators). Skilled EWs only need to buy their ship about one to two minutes to have aerial assets on the attacking ship before they even launch.

So at the very least, announcing the launching of those missiles is skipping a couple combat steps. Any naval battle between two modern and highly trained navies is likely to begin in the air. Then proceed to aircraft vs. ships. Ship-to-ship combat is likely to come last. If at all.

Next, once a ship or aircraft manages to launch a couple missiles at an enemy ship, the next step is deception. Due to the abilities of chaff. decoys and SLQ-32, a first volley of missiles is probably going to be neutralized(which is why ships don't fire everything in one volley. :p ). While chaff and decoys are being reloaded is when a battle group is at it's most vulnerable. Even then, SLQ-32 is extremely effective at missile deception.

Finally, I have been told that as a last resort, CIWS has about a 50% success rate (half that vs. pop-ups).

So, even if that fleet had the desire to fire 900 missiles, probably one-in-ten would actually get launched before an aerial response. Of those 90, Probably one-in-ten would actually survive electronic countermeasures. Of the remaining nine, CIWS will eliminate four. That leaves five missile strikes out of 900 missiles.

Tactically dumb move. :)

Well, ROTC plus my other classes is going to make one hell of a workload. There's always the chance that I'll be burned out by midterms.

Yeah, I know the feeling mate. Just hang in there, and think of the reward. The babes love a fighter pilot mate ;)

(If you want to be a bomber though, you can literally work from home at war. Go fly to an enemy country at night, drop your bombs, fly back to the US of A, and sleep in your own bed. Thats what happened in the Gulf War ;))

Well, let's take the example I gave above; "My fleet launches 900 missiles at your fleet"

First, that's strategically unlikely. No military ship launches it's entire store of missiles in one volley even if they have the ability(and few do).

Second, how do they launch? Assuming that the enemy ships have electronic warfare equipment and skilled operators, the first thing they would do is jam any targeting radars they detect, thus making launches difficult or impossible for a time(how long depends on range and the skill of the radar operators). Skilled EWs only need to buy their ship about one to two minutes to have aerial assets on the attacking ship before they even launch.

So at the very least, announcing the launching of those missiles is skipping a couple combat steps. Any naval battle between two modern and highly trained navies is likely to begin in the air. Then proceed to aircraft vs. ships. Ship-to-ship combat is likely to come last. If at all.

Next, once a ship or aircraft manages to launch a couple missiles at an enemy ship, the next step is deception. Due to the abilities of chaff. decoys and SLQ-32, a first volley of missiles is probably going to be neutralized(which is why ships don't fire everything in one volley. :p ). While chaff and decoys are being reloaded is when a battle group is at it's most vulnerable. Even then, SLQ-32 is extremely effective at missile deception.

Finally, I have been told that as a last resort, CIWS has about a 50% success rate (half that vs. pop-ups).

So, even if that fleet had the desire to fire 900 missiles, probably one-in-ten would actually get launched before an aerial response. Of those 90, Probably one-in-ten would actually survive electronic countermeasures. Of the remaining nine, CIWS will eliminate four. That leaves five missile strikes out of 900 missiles.

Tactically dumb move. :)

My post for my naval tactics, was that realistic? If you didn't catch it its on the previous page.

Well, let's take the example I gave above; "My fleet launches 900 missiles at your fleet"

First, that's strategically unlikely. No military ship launches it's entire store of missiles in one volley even if they have the ability(and few do).

Second, how do they launch? Assuming that the enemy ships have electronic warfare equipment and skilled operators, the first thing they would do is jam any targeting radars they detect, thus making launches difficult or impossible for a time(how long depends on range and the skill of the radar operators). Skilled EWs only need to buy their ship about one to two minutes to have aerial assets on the attacking ship before they even launch.

So at the very least, announcing the launching of those missiles is skipping a couple combat steps. Any naval battle between two modern and highly trained navies is likely to begin in the air. Then proceed to aircraft vs. ships. Ship-to-ship combat is likely to come last. If at all.

Next, once a ship or aircraft manages to launch a couple missiles at an enemy ship, the next step is deception. Due to the abilities of chaff. decoys and SLQ-32, a first volley of missiles is probably going to be neutralized(which is why ships don't fire everything in one volley. :p ). While chaff and decoys are being reloaded is when a battle group is at it's most vulnerable. Even then, SLQ-32 is extremely effective at missile deception.

Finally, I have been told that as a last resort, CIWS has about a 50% success rate (half that vs. pop-ups).

So, even if that fleet had the desire to fire 900 missiles, probably one-in-ten would actually get launched before an aerial response. Of those 90, Probably one-in-ten would actually survive electronic countermeasures. Of the remaining nine, CIWS will eliminate four. That leaves five missile strikes out of 900 missiles.

Tactically dumb move. :)
What if they try to launch 9000!

The same thing, right?

so that they can practice shooting each other
*nods*
really i have no idea


They all have different jobs. The Navy is the warfare arm, the Coast Guard is for Coastal defense and law enforcement, and rescue.

I spent 4 years in the US Army as a Cavalry Scout (MOS 19D). I ETS'd as a CPL(P) in 2004.

Patrol Boats are important for Riverine patrols. Ever heard to the Riverine force? The PBRs? They generally focus on deploying Special Forces, Navy SEALs, and MFRs/MSOGs into combat zones now.
None of that sounds like it could take out a carrier.

What you descibe, would probably be very light and fast, would it not?

None of that sounds like it could take out a carrier.

What you descibe, would probably be very light and fast, would it not?

They are light and very fast, but not designed to attack at open sea. Thats what Wolf Packs do.

Wolf Packs are groups of Submarines which assault enemy Carrier Battlegroups, sinking the Carrier and any capital ship they can get their torpedoes into.


EDIT: All those groups other than the PBRs and Riverine Force are infantry units mate ;)

What if they try to launch 9000!

The same thing, right?

45 missile strikes?

My post for my naval tactics, was that realistic? If you didn't catch it its on the previous page.

Depends a little on the cruise missiles. Against land-based targets and positions, yes. You are using them exactly right.

In ship-vs-ship combat, the answer is littlecomplicated. Assuming say, Tomahawks. They were designed primarily for use against land-based targets. They do have anti-ship capabilities. However, it is important to note that in anti-ship engagements, Tomahawk's primary guidance systems are used to get the missile into proximity of the naval target. Then secondary guidance takes over. Those secondary guidance systems are susceptible to deception like any other missile. Tomahawks are relatively slow missiles and CIWS is probably very effective against them too.

The effectiveness of that style of cruise missiles depend on the expectations of the target of an imminent attack by those missile. To use those missiles, an accurate position of the target has to be relayed to the launchig platform. Skilled EW operators could detect the assets that can relay that data. So an attack can be predicted. Tactically, if the target suspected an imminent attack, it would neutralize the reporting asset(if possible), change position to avoid attack and prepare for incoming missiles.

However, if an attack were NOT suspected as being imminent, the amount of warning a target would have before a cruise missile strike would be very small. Probably too small to defend against it.

What if they try to launch 9000!

The same thing, right?

They collide in mid-air and the explosion takes em all out. :)

Depends a little on the cruise missiles. Against land-based targets and positions, yes. You are using them exactly right.

In ship-vs-ship combat, the answer is littlecomplicated. Assuming say, Tomahawks. They were designed primarily for use against land-based targets. They do have anti-ship capabilities. However, it is important to note that in anti-ship engagements, Tomahawk's primary guidance systems are used to get the missile into proximity of the naval target. Then secondary guidance takes over. Those secondary guidance systems are susceptible to deception like any other missile. Tomahawks are relatively slow missiles and CIWS is probably very effective against them too.

The effectiveness of that style of cruise missiles depend on the expectations of the target of an imminent attack by those missile. To use those missiles, an accurate position of the target has to be relayed to the launchig platform. Skilled EW operators could detect the assets that can relay that data. So an attack can be predicted. Tactically, if the target suspected an imminent attack, it would neutralize the reporting asset(if possible), change position to avoid attack and prepare for incoming missiles.

However, if an attack were NOT suspected as being imminent, the amount of warning a target would have before a cruise missile strike would be very small. Probably too small to defend against it.

I almost exclusively use cruismissles against land based targets. Sometimes I use them against ships, but thats rare. Generally, I use Air to Surface missles from Naval or Marine Aviators (I tend to use F/A-18 Hornets)

They are light and very fast, but not designed to attack at open sea. Thats what Wolf Packs do.

Wolf Packs are groups of Submarines which assault enemy Carrier Battlegroups, sinking the Carrier and any capital ship they can get their torpedoes into.


EDIT: All those groups other than the PBRs and Riverine Force are infantry units mate ;)
@Edit: T'is what I guessed. SF and SEALs were pretty easily recognizable. I mean how many Segul movies have there been?

Makes sense. Mass subs pwns carrier.

Wait, why am I learning about the Navy? I hate boats.

I almost exclusively use cruismissles against land based targets. Sometimes I use them against ships, but thats rare. Generally, I use Air to Surface missles from Naval or Marine Aviators (I tend to use F/A-18 Hornets)

Mixed payloads of heat-seekng, radar guided and anti-radiation missiles are very very effective. *nod*

I'm not in the militatry, due to physical reasons, but if I was I would probably be in the Marines.

I'm not in the militatry, due to physical reasons, but if I was I would probably be in the Marines.
I'd be in the "Army."

I use quotes, because in Canada, it is called the Land Force Command.

I'd be in the "Army."

I use quotes, because in Canada, it is called the Land Force Command.

You Canadians just had to be different, didn't you? :p

I'd be in the "Army."

I use quotes, because in Canada, it is called the Land Force Command.


I used to have a buddy in the Canadian Reserve...then again though, I've had friends in Delta Force, British SBS, SAS, Army, Marines, Airforce, you name it, I've had friends in it.

I used to have a buddy in the Canadian Reserve...then again though, I've had friends in Delta Force, British SBS, SAS, Army, Marines, Airforce, you name it, I've had friends in it.

Ok, the Confederates!

Ok, the Confederates!

My great Uncle was a Lieutenant in the Confederate Army....

You Canadians just had to be different, didn't you? :p
Canadian Battle Stratagy

Messenger: The Canadians are comming. They are attacking us with the Maritme Command.
Leader A: WTF? Send in the....what the fuck is a Maritime Commad?
Other Leaders:*shrug shoulders*
Leader A: Fire 900 missiles!

It's our battle startagy.

Their leaders would all be like:
Messenger: The Canadians are comming. They are attacking us with the Maritme Command.
Leader A: WTF? Send in the....what the fuck is a Maritime Commad?
Other Leaders:*shrug shoulders*
Leader A: Fire 900 missiles!

That would be sig worthy if you changed it like so:




Canadian Battle Strategy


Messenger: The Canadians are comming. They are attacking us with the Maritme Command.
Leader A: WTF? Send in the....what the fuck is a Maritime Commad?
Other Leaders:*shrug shoulders*
Leader A: Fire 900 missiles!

It's our battle startagy.

Their leaders would all be like:
Messenger: The Canadians are comming. They are attacking us with the Maritme Command.
Leader A: WTF? Send in the....what the fuck is a Maritime Commad?
Other Leaders:*shrug shoulders*
Leader A: Fire 900 missiles!

Unless you're fighting the U.S.

...
Leader A: WTF? Send in the....what the fuck is a Maritime Command? Ah, screw it, send in the Amry, Navy, Marines, and anything else you find.

That would be sig worthy if you changed it like so:
Noted

Unless you're fighting the U.S.

...
Leader A: WTF? Send in the....what the fuck is a Maritime Command? Ah, screw it, send in the Amry, Navy, Marines, and anything else you find.
Not likely.

The US Military seems to be in all our attack and defence doctrines....

I like the way that 'the military' is limited to the US military.:rolleyes: I am an Australian Army brat.

I like the way that 'the military' is limited to the US military.:rolleyes: I am an Australian Army brat.
Quit yer bitching.

Its never gonna be about the Aussie Military.

I'm in one of the militaries you seem to have ommited.:sniper:

I am more disappointed that this isn't a multiple options poll.:(

I am more disappointed that this isn't a multiple options poll.:(
Why?

Quit yer bitching.

Its never gonna be about the Aussie Military.


The ASAS is tough man!

The ASAS is tough man!
*sends in the Maritime Command*

Why?
Because it would make it more of a farce than it already is for not having other nations forces...

The Royal New Zealand Air Farce would hell as PWN the Maritime Command!

Because it would make it more of a farce than it already is for not having other nations forces...

The Royal New Zealand Air Farce would hell as PWN the Maritime Command!
The Royal Canadian Air Farce would have the RNZAF scambling for its ROFLCopters.

Because it would make it more of a farce than it already is for not having other nations forces...

The Royal New Zealand Air Farce would hell as PWN the Maritime Command!
Heheh, we bought your airforce :p And your pilots :D I was there when they arrived. It was funny to see the entire NZ airforce on one ship.

The Royal Canadian Air Farce would have the RNZAF scambling for its ROFLCopters.
Except that they sold all of their aircraft and pilots to Australia. :p

Except that they sold all of their aircraft and pilots to Australia. :p
The Royal Canadian Air Farce is a TV show.

Last I heard, our shit didn't really fly either.

The Royal Canadian Air Farce is a TV show.

Last I heard, our shit didn't really fly either.
Then it'd be a fair fight. I'd like to see any aircraft that would survive a volley a volley of sheep from the Royal New Zealand Catapult Corps. Those things get stuck in the turbines like nothing else. Even if you do make it home, the mixture of fleece, shattered bones, blood, and intestines is near impossible to clean/untangle. The aircraft will never fly the same again.

Then it'd be a fair fight. I'd like to see any aircraft that would survive a volley a volley of sheep from the Royal New Zealand Catapult Corps. Those things get stuck in the turbines like nothing else. Even if you do make it home, the mixture of fleece, shattered bones, blood, and intestines is near impossible to clean/untangle. The aircraft will never fly the same again.
Canadian Troops have unlimited morale. Each naval vessal has a Tim Hortons.

Canadian Troops have unlimited morale. Each naval vessal has a Tim Hortons.
Unless we took GW Bush's queue and started a war on an idea. We would begin the Australian war on 'Double Double', thus sapping the source of all Canadian strength. Soon everyone would be drinking 'white and one' Mwahahaha. Tim Hortons would lose his gummi-bear-brew equivalent.

Wait, was it Australia vs Canada, or NZ vs Canada? :confused: Oh, well either way, Australia would help because deep down we love the Kiwis.

i've considered joining the army, not to fight but i can use computers and things pretty well and could find the communications/information services side of things pretty interesting... but i really don't think i'm suited for that kind of thing :P (i'm pretty sure anyone who knows me would go "just... no" at the thought of me joining the military :p)


i'm flat footed, overweight and without my glasses blind as a bat. even come a draft i don't think i'll be going near the front lines :p (thankfully)

Heheh, we bought your airforce :p And your pilots :D I was there when they arrived. It was funny to see the entire NZ airforce on one ship.
When was that?:confused:
Our Vulcans we had back in the 70's?:confused:
Our Skyhawks were a vital component of the East Timor Operations, in the event of Indonesian aggression!
We stationed a Squadron(Severely depleted) in Australia for ages and it was brilliant for your training dammit.

I think we had 24 Skyhawks between 2 Squadrons, seeing as a normal Squadron would be around 20...