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Ever since the late 90's the Democrats have been on a losing streak. Now I don't know why they lost the Congress in the late 90's but ever since 2000, they keep on losing because every Democrats have been talking about repealing the tax cuts. This is the stupidest mistake anyone could make in politics, I mean people vote with their wallets man! If they repeal tax cuts, then everyone lose the extra money, and no one wants that! So what do yall think, why are Democrats on a losing streak?

because they are losers?
heheh
*flees*

Ever since the late 90's the Democrats have been on a losing streak. Now I don't know why they lost the Congress in the late 90's but ever since 2000, they keep on losing because every Democrats have been talking about repealing the tax cuts. This is the stupidest mistake anyone could make in politics, I mean people vote with their wallets man! If they repeal tax cuts, then everyone lose the extra money, and no one wants that! So what do yall think, why are Democrats on a losing streak?

That's funny, Democrats wanting to raise taxes.
"Read my lips: No new taxes."

Somewhere, the Greek god of political irony just giggled.

That's funny, Democrats wanting to raise taxes.
"Read my lips: No new taxes."

Somewhere, the Greek god of political irony just giggled.

Ok, but let's concetrate on the present, not the past.

Well, in the present, the Democratic Party is utterly without direction. The mainstream Dems on the national level are all complete jackasses, and a lot of them are becoming reactionary losers.

As Lewis Black said recently, the Republicans are a party of Bad Ideas, while the Democrats are a party of No Ideas.

Seriously, the loudest figurehead for the Democrats at this point is Hillary, and she's busy saying that video games are destroying American youth (a purely reactionary tactic). Nobody wants to rally behind her because they're all worried about whether America's ready for a female president, so the party's running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

They dont lose because of the tax cuts. I mean thats part of it because any rational person understands that less taxes makes the economy grow and anything else than that loses jobs and standard of living. Americans don't want that. But they also lose because they can't see that everyone is not equal and that they are in fact individuals. And on top of that they lose because they are too touchy feely with foreign policy and that if they can agree on a position. So basically they lose because they are out of touch, put people out of work and put people in danger of being attacked. People dont like this and this is why they will not win this year at all. Republicans will keep control, you heard it hear 1st.

Ever since the late 90's the Democrats have been on a losing streak. Now I don't know why they lost the Congress in the late 90's but ever since 2000, they keep on losing because every Democrats have been talking about repealing the tax cuts. This is the stupidest mistake anyone could make in politics, I mean people vote with their wallets man! If they repeal tax cuts, then everyone lose the extra money, and no one wants that! So what do yall think, why are Democrats on a losing streak?
Because with the Repubs you at least kinda got some economic freedom. The Dem's don't really give you any. They might want to work on that.

Well, in the present, the Democratic Party is utterly without direction. The mainstream Dems on the national level are all complete jackasses, and a lot of them are becoming reactionary losers.

As Lewis Black said recently, the Republicans are a party of Bad Ideas, while the Democrats are a party of No Ideas.

Seriously, the loudest figurehead for the Democrats at this point is Hillary, and she's busy saying that video games are destroying American youth (a purely reactionary tactic). Nobody wants to rally behind her because they're all worried about whether America's ready for a female president, so the party's running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

and the Libertarian Party is just bidding it's time, waiting for the chicken to die. *rubs hands in evil way*

and the Libertarian Party is just bidding it's time, waiting for the chicken to die. *rubs hands in evil way*

Let's hope not. There's even less organization there...if just by definition. :p

southern strategy
jerrymandering
lack of clarity and coherence as a party
general perception of merely being the lesser evil, at best
seem to get some sort of kinky pleasure out of allowing fascists to lie freely, and adopting some of the lies as if they were true

What nermid said really, they are entirely without direction. That and the dont really have a figurehead. Hillary hopped out in front pretending she was already the nomination, but polls have treated her a lot worse than other democrats. That, and many democrats publically stated that McCain was a great choice during the "anybody but Bush" period, that'll probably come back to bite them.

Really, as long as Bush keeps his head down during the elections, the Republicans have a good chance of keeping the Oval Office...

As for Congress, who knows.

southern strategy
jerrymandering
lack of clarity and coherence as a party
general perception of merely being the lesser evil, at best
seem to get some sort of kinky pleasure out of allowing fascists to lie freely, and adopting some of the lies as if they were true

Really its the southern strategy. The rest of that list could be stuck on either party.

Actually, the southern strategy was quite visionary. Even if it is reprehensible.

The reason dems have been on a losing streak is timidity. They arn't willing to really step up and fight for what nearly half of america believes in, rather, they prefer to offer compromises. The people who would vote for them don't really want compromises.

They dont lose because of the tax cuts. I mean thats part of it because any rational person understands that less taxes makes the economy grow and anything else than that loses jobs and standard of living. Americans don't want that. But they also lose because they can't see that everyone is not equal and that they are in fact individuals. And on top of that they lose because they are too touchy feely with foreign policy and that if they can agree on a position. So basically they lose because they are out of touch, put people out of work and put people in danger of being attacked. People dont like this and this is why they will not win this year at all. Republicans will keep control, you heard it hear 1st.

Ironically, the bolded section is false. Studies show that (in fact) a moderate level of taxes promote economic growth, and that either too much or too little slow it.

The reason dems have been on a losing streak is timidity. They arn't willing to really step up and fight for what nearly half of america believes in, rather, they prefer to offer compromises. The people who would vote for them don't really want compromises.

Politics is all compromises. The Republicans do it, too. They just pretend that they don't. They act like they are stone monuments to their beliefs that never waver, whereas the Democrats honestly explain why they had to compromise. People want to believe that their politicians are stone monuments, not branches blowing in the wind.

You'd be amazed what a good PR guy can do for you.

Ironically, the bolded section is false. Studies show that (in fact) a moderate level of taxes promote economic growth, and that either too much or too little slow it.
alright, let me put it this way. Republicans want moderate taxes, like where they are now. Democrats want high taxes. Using your statement guess which party would lead to an economic slowdown.

Oh, and purely because I am a grammar nazi, you meant to spell the thread title "losing," unless you're talking about a streak wherein they are letting things free.

Sorry. I had to.

alright, let me put it this way. Republicans want moderate taxes, like where they are now. Democrats want high taxes. Using your statement guess which party would lead to an economic slowdown.
Compared to most of the world, the Dems wantlow taxes, the Repubs want virtually no taxes.

Oh, and purely because I am a grammar nazi, you meant to spell the thread title "losing," unless you're talking about a streak wherein they are letting things free.

Sorry. I had to.

More of a spelling nazi than a grammar nazi.

More of a spelling nazi than a grammar nazi.

Psh, you semantics nazi.

Psh, you semantics nazi.

And I'm proud of it. *waves flag*

alright, let me put it this way. Republicans want moderate taxes, like where they are now. Democrats want high taxes. Using your statement guess which party would lead to an economic slowdown.

I'm looking for the study right now (amongst my many, disorganized books) but I'm fairly sure we are still drastically below the point where things trend down again.

Compared to most of the world, the Dems wantlow taxes, the Repubs want virtually no taxes.
This isn't about the rest of the world, it about the US. The US has a strong economy and half the unemployment rate of most Western European countries so it must be doing something right.

I'm looking for the study right now (amongst my many, disorganized books) but I'm fairly sure we are still drastically below the point where things trend down again.
But why even get close to that point? Just because its fun to take money away from hardworking people?

And I'm proud of it. *waves flag*
Guess I'm the only NeoNazi. *sighs*

*wears Third Riech flag like cape*

Goodbye cruel world!

*jumps out window*

But why even get close to that point? Just because its fun to take money away from hardworking people?

Yep. Those Democrats just orgasm at the thought of taking others people's money. Its better than sex to them.

This isn't about the rest of the world, it about the US. The US has a strong economy and half the unemployment rate of most Western European countries so it must be doing something right.
Like not counting people who's welfare has expired as unemployed?

Decent organization and a solid crop of recent candidates by the GOP. Bad campaign management by the Kerry campaign and various others.. not to mention the whole farce of that Mondale candidacy..

I happen to believe that the GOP platform is more solid and workable than the Democrat line, but being right won't win you an election.. you need some luck and some PR skill. We've been lucky enough to have some. :)

But why even get close to that point? Just because its fun to take money away from hardworking people?

Funny that we should be discussing whether to raise taxes in a nation formed on the basic principles of freedom, equality, and tax evasion.

Ever since the late 90's the Democrats have been on a losing streak. Now I don't know why they lost the Congress in the late 90's but ever since 2000, they keep on losing because every Democrats have been talking about repealing the tax cuts. This is the stupidest mistake anyone could make in politics, I mean people vote with their wallets man! If they repeal tax cuts, then everyone lose the extra money, and no one wants that! So what do yall think, why are Democrats on a losing streak?


Their base consist of lunatic left wing radicals that scare the piss out of middle America and most others who would vote ..Cyndy Sheehan Types..Al Sharpton...Dianne Feinstein...DEAN...

Aside from that although they complain alot they never present a postive plan of action...and then they are insane enough to offer up John Kerry as a candidate ?

When they are not commiting Fratracide on each other..see Joe Lieberman...and Hillary Clinton..they are fighting amognst themselves for an idenity...

"We are not Bush " JUST WONT CUT IT .

Just what do you have to offer ?


Democrats are doomed .

alright, let me put it this way. Republicans want moderate taxes, like where they are now. Democrats want high taxes. Using your statement guess which party would lead to an economic slowdown.

:rolleyes: Republicans want zero taxes, which is why they're so low already. Your definition of "moderate" basically just means low.
Dems want higher taxes, not high taxes. Why? Because the current tax rates are too low to support the nation's growing expenditures (ahem - the War in Iraq).

Their base consist of lunatic left wing radicals that scare the piss out of middle America and most others who would vote ..Cyndy Sheehan Types..Al Sharpton...Dianne Feinstein...DEAN...

Aside from that although they complain alot they never present a postive plan of action...and then they are insane enough to offer up John Kerry as a candidate ?

When they are not commiting Fratracide on each other..see Joe Lieberman...and Hillary Clinton..they are fighting amognst themselves for an idenity...

"We are not Bush " JUST WONT CUT IT .

Just what do you have to offer ?


Democrats are doomed .

Perhaps... who knows?
In any case, I'm moving to France. :D
That reminds me - the reason the French look down on us is not (solely) our support of Bush, but because those in opposition to the administration don't get up off our asses and do something about it.
We need a revolution...
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Why are Democrats on a loosing streak?


Because, especially since 9/11, the War on Terrorism and the spread of democratic, liberal, and market ideals are the focus of U.S. foreign policy. Since the Vietnam War, where 4 of the 6 presiding presidents were Democrats, the Democratic Party has feared being involved in or shaping U.S. foreign policy and military interventionism. Plus, most of those in Democratic Party circles who were not afraid of foreign policy went over to the Republican Party (thus giving birth to "new" conservatives, or Neoconservative, politics). Thus, Democrats do everything they can to avoid significant newsworthy issues, like the War on Terror and military intervention; the Republican Party, augmented by Neoconservatives, actually seems to pay attention to what Americans see happening everyday on CNN and Fox News. Any attention that the Democratic Party does pay to the War on Terrorism and military interventionism is largely seen as amounting to nothing more than political scheming (see also: Frankenstein's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_F._Kerry) foreign policy debate points during the 2004 elections basically amounting to nothing more than "exactly the same as Bush, only different.")

Clinton was a moderate he won two terms...


Name another Democrat considered a moderate...thats got a shot at winning the primary ?


Short and sweet why they are doomed to lose .

As democratic leadership withered, they began to confuse entitlement as vision. In the wake of their graft, corruption and mismanagement, the Republicans sought to show that they could make the same mistakes in a fraction of the time and of much greater magnitude. Their efficiency is an example to us all.

As democratic leadership withered, they began to confuse entitlement as vision. In the wake of their graft, corruption and mismanagement, the Republicans sought to show that they could make the same mistakes in a fraction of the time and of much greater magnitude. Their efficiency is an example to us all.

LOL. So very true.

But why even get close to that point? Just because its fun to take money away from hardworking people?

To... Hmmm...

- Pay back the debt we've earned fighting a meaningless and badly co-ordinated war?
- Pay for the growth in Social Security
- Improve American Education
- Fund Research in Alternative Energy programs more fully (thus keeping us at the forefront of the next energy revolution)
- Fund Research in Medicine

To name a few.

That or it has to come out of the military budget, and that seems even more unwise.

Ever since the late 90's the Democrats have been on a losing streak. Now I don't know why they lost the Congress in the late 90's but ever since 2000, they keep on losing because every Democrats have been talking about repealing the tax cuts. This is the stupidest mistake anyone could make in politics, I mean people vote with their wallets man! If they repeal tax cuts, then everyone lose the extra money, and no one wants that! So what do yall think, why are Democrats on a losing streak?


Do you know the outcomes for the last 10 Presidential Elections?
REPs 7 - DEMs 3.

Those 3 victories were:
Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Bill Clinton. Surn. Protestant.

According to Howard Dean, the Democratic Party has 4 pillars these days:
1. Trade Unionists.
2. Catholics.
3. African-Americans.
4. New Deal Intellectuals.

I see a bit of a disconnect between the 3 victories, and the New Base.

Democrats vow not to give up hopelessness.

Let me show you guys how this works for those of you who havent realized it yet.

Republican takes office. promptly delivers tax cuts.
Government takes in less money.

Republican spends and spends and spends, bankrupting the budget.

Democrat gets elected.
Must instantly raise taxes to cover enormous expenditures from previous administration.

This makes Democrat unpopular.

Republican gets elected.......

The reason dems have been on a losing streak is timidity. They arn't willing to really step up and fight for what nearly half of america believes in, rather, they prefer to offer compromises. The people who would vote for them don't really want compromises.

Really? My take on why dems have lost some votes is just the opposite. The impression I get is that Democrats appear to have embraced views and made fighting stands upon and passed laws governing SO very many issues that less than half the voters believe in that they dont always seem to accurately represent the people in their districts.

I dont bother differentiating between parties when Im voting though. I used to vote based purely upon a candidate's stand upon issues. However some politicians, especially the very successful ones will mislead and even lie about their stands on issues (You heard it here first!). I give more weight to a politician's record than I used to. I dont just listen to the actual points a candidate makes anymore, I also tend to listen more carefully to how a candidate makes those points. Id rather just have one lie straight to me in a crisp and clear manner rather than suffer listening to one weasel around and mince words in order to retain deniability handholds for any potential lies he may need to tell at some later date. Opportunists are somehow more palateable to me than confidence men.

Let me show you guys how this works for those of you who havent realized it yet.

Republican takes office. promptly delivers tax cuts.
Government takes in less money.

Republican spends and spends and spends, bankrupting the budget.

Democrat gets elected.
Must instantly raise taxes to cover enormous expenditures from previous administration.

This makes Democrat unpopular.

Republican gets elected.......


Sure doooood.......


Do you know the outcomes for the last 10 Presidential Elections?
REPs 7 - DEMs 3.

Those 3 victories were:
Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Bill Clinton.


:D :rolleyes:

Sure doooood.......




:D :rolleyes:

And why are the DEMs currently losing? Might they have lost focus on winning?
Might they be overfocussed on doing the wrong things?

Well, polls seem to indicate that Democrats will do well in the upcoming elections.

The only problem I see is if they don't do as well as the polls predict, we're never going to hear the end of the tinfoil hattery.

The polls said Kerry would win and that the california special election would be won by the Dems...BOTH .... WRONG


Wishfull thinking on the part of the pollsters methinks ....:D


Watch the DEMS self destruct today when they cannibalise themselves and vote for some rich dolt and get rid of Lieberman...only 20 plus years of faithfull Democratic service and a former Vice presidential candidate...but he has the balls to say what he thinks...

So they kill him...:D

They cant beat republicans so they are forced to beat on each other.:D


A micrcosm of whats wrong will be played out today..

"We are not Bush " JUST WONT CUT IT .

Just what do you have to offer ?


Democrats are doomed .

Bingo! AFAICT, the Dems whole campain is "I'm not Bush", "We need more taxes", and "We need to run from Iraq with our tail between our legs". They have a long history of fiscal irresponsibilty and corruption, and though they can point to similar problems with the Repubs, that still doesn't help their image. We need a reason to vote FOR them. Saying that the Repubs suck too just isn't enough.

democrats are the most devisive party - that doesn't help their chances - they don't seem to have ideas on how to govern that make the average person want to vote for them, it's the i hate repubs over and over with no concrete plan/direction to replace the repub's plans

;)

According to Howard Dean, the Democratic Party has 4 pillars these days:
1. Trade Unionists.
2. Catholics.
3. African-Americans.
4. New Deal Intellectuals.

I see a bit of a disconnect between the 3 victories, and the New Base.

i suppose they could try to get their old base back - the one that brought the republicans out of their generation long second place. but i doubt the racist reactionary fucktards would come back without the republicans doing something to drive them out. like passing a significant civil rights act.

Well, polls seem to indicate that Democrats will do well in the upcoming elections.

The only problem I see is if they don't do as well as the polls predict, we're never going to hear the end of the tinfoil hattery.

Yeah, right, because polls are trustworthy. According to polls, we've had 75% voter turnout the last two elections...while the actual numbers indicate about 45%. People lie on polls.

Yeah, right, because polls are trustworthy. According to polls, we've had 75% voter turnout the last two elections...while the actual numbers indicate about 45%. People lie on polls.

That's not what I hear on Democratic Underground.

To them, polls are scientifically accurate beyond all belief, and any loss by a Democrat is the result of an uberconspiracy to control the voting machines by the Republicans.

Of course, if that were true, why would any Democrats have been elected at all?

People lie on polls.

at known rates and in predictable directions. polling isn't fucking wild-ass guessing.

That's not what I hear on Democratic Underground.

To them, polls are scientifically accurate beyond all belief, and any loss by a Democrat is the result of an uberconspiracy to control the voting machines by the Republicans.

Of course, if that were true, why would any Democrats have been elected at all?


Well I get to vote for Bob casey Jr. because he is running against Rick Santorum...a man who represents everything I hate about the right wing religion and fanatacism ...I would sooner cut my own balls off with a rusted piece of shit covered scrap metal then vote for Santorum .

Bob casey Jr. is a moderate to centrist democrat..close to being what a republican could be if he tried .

Santorum is satans plaything trying to convince the world of his Christian values..and like it or not you better have them too or I'll put a bill up in congress that says you will !.

fucktards like Santorum are how democrats get elected .

at known rates and in predictable directions. polling isn't fucking wild-ass guessing.

Is too. If the polls were always administered in the same way, always consisted of the same questions, with the same responses, and administered by the same people, then maybe they'd be predictable and reliable, but they're not. Not only that, but factors between the polling and the actual election can have drastic changes, or none at all.

As it is, I could go find polls that state that the Repubs will win the elections, as well. I'm not going to, because I've got better things to do with my time, but it wouldn't be too hard.

the only poll that counts is the one I vote at on election day.

The Democrats are in trouble because of two reasons, people and positions.

Dean may think Catholics are a pillar of the Democratic party, but those who are faithful to the democratic party can hardly be called "catholic." The extreeme pro-choice of the democratic party does in fact turn away many who want a more middle of the road approach to the problem, and of coruse turns away a significat number of pro-life Catholics.

Dean may also think that African-Americans are a pillar of the Democratic party but the great lie that if you can't be an African American and not be a party line Democrat is starting to fall apart, even by Afircan Americans within the Democratic party, but by the growing numbers of African American Republican politicians like J.C. Watts.

It's in trouble because of the people. Radicals like Gore lost status after the major defeat in the first election. Moderates like Clinton and Lieberman are getting pounded because they weren't rabid anti-war radicals. It's an inconvient truth that moderates can't win primaries and radicals can't win general elections. The only good news for the Democrats is that this problem also plagues the Republicans.

But before you go into total despair, remember that the Republican party has run out of gas as well. The only people who might be good candidates for the president haven't a chance of getting through a primary. Everyone talks about the Governor of New York ... that PRO CHOICE republican who has been a part of the unholy trinity that keeps anything from happening in Albany. (This consists of the governor the speaker of the house and the head of the state senate a very odd trio of political bedfellows who have an absolute control on what gets debated in the state legislature.)

Ever since the late 90's the Democrats have been on a losing streak. Now I don't know why they lost the Congress in the late 90's but ever since 2000, they keep on losing because every Democrats have been talking about repealing the tax cuts. This is the stupidest mistake anyone could make in politics, I mean people vote with their wallets man! If they repeal tax cuts, then everyone lose the extra money, and no one wants that! So what do yall think, why are Democrats on a losing streak?
Republican propaganda is excellent. BogMarsh had a thread on this a few weeks ago.

The Democrats are in trouble because of two reasons, people and positions.

Dean may think Catholics are a pillar of the Democratic party, but those who are faithful to the democratic party can hardly be called "catholic." The extreeme pro-choice of the democratic party does in fact turn away many who want a more middle of the road approach to the problem, and of coruse turns away a significat number of pro-life Catholics.

Dean may also think that African-Americans are a pillar of the Democratic party but the great lie that if you can't be an African American and not be a party line Democrat is starting to fall apart, even by Afircan Americans within the Democratic party, but by the growing numbers of African American Republican politicians like J.C. Watts.

It's in trouble because of the people. Radicals like Gore lost status after the major defeat in the first election. Moderates like Clinton and Lieberman are getting pounded because they weren't rabid anti-war radicals. It's an inconvient truth that moderates can't win primaries and radicals can't win general elections. The only good news for the Democrats is that this problem also plagues the Republicans.

But before you go into total despair, remember that the Republican party has run out of gas as well. The only people who might be good candidates for the president haven't a chance of getting through a primary. Everyone talks about the Governor of New York ... that PRO CHOICE republican who has been a part of the unholy trinity that keeps anything from happening in Albany. (This consists of the governor the speaker of the house and the head of the state senate a very odd trio of political bedfellows who have an absolute control on what gets debated in the state legislature.)

For the love of Satan and all that is Unholy, Gore is not a RADICAL! In his 2000 campaign, he ran on a platform that was nearly identical to George W. Bushe's. The democrats lately have been the most limp and half-assed supporters of a women's right to choose to not be the slave of a man. The Democrats keep losing because voters are so apathetic in elections. If there were really a true "candidate of the people," the Republicans would get knocked on their ass in the general elections.

Ever since the late 90's the Democrats have been on a losing streak. Now I don't know why they lost the Congress in the late 90's but ever since 2000, they keep on losing because every Democrats have been talking about repealing the tax cuts. This is the stupidest mistake anyone could make in politics, I mean people vote with their wallets man! If they repeal tax cuts, then everyone lose the extra money, and no one wants that! So what do yall think, why are Democrats on a losing streak?
The Dems are on a losing streak because they continue to allow the most radical elements on the right wing to set the boundaries of our national discourse.

If the Dems want to win, they need to stop pretending like there is a "debate" over global warming, evolution, or stem cell research. If the Dems want to win, they need to stop pandering to the radicals who want to strip gay citizens of civil rights. If the Dems want to win, they need to quit caving in to the fringe lunatics who want to ban contraception and abortion. If the Dems want to win, they need to quit paying attention to "neoconservatives" when it comes to anything related to the economy. If the Dems want to win, they need to wake up and realize that over half the American public thinks Iraq was a mistake, and that we should get the fuck out of there.

Basically, if the Dems want to win, they need to realize that the majority of Americans support the Dems on pretty much every hot-button issue, and the problem is that the Dems are supporting the Republicans on every single one of those issues.

Ever since the late 90's the Democrats have been on a losing streak. Now I don't know why they lost the Congress in the late 90's but ever since 2000, they keep on losing because every Democrats have been talking about repealing the tax cuts. This is the stupidest mistake anyone could make in politics, I mean people vote with their wallets man! If they repeal tax cuts, then everyone lose the extra money, and no one wants that! So what do yall think, why are Democrats on a losing streak?

Because America does NOT want to embrace the views of the moonbat leftard morons that are hijacking the democrat prty. I wish the liberals would break off and form their own party so we could go back to having 2 reasonable parties to choose from. I want my conservative republicans to learn a lesson but NOT AT THE EXPENSE of our entire nation under liberal control. As frustrated as I get w/ some of GWB administration policies (I.E. immigration pussies) I will not abandon them for liberal policy makers.

I will not abandon them for liberal policy makers.

Just like the in the Fatherland!

You know a Godwin is needed for a troll! :D

Ever since the late 90's the Democrats have been on a losing streak. Now I don't know why they lost the Congress in the late 90's but ever since 2000, they keep on losing because every Democrats have been talking about repealing the tax cuts. This is the stupidest mistake anyone could make in politics, I mean people vote with their wallets man! If they repeal tax cuts, then everyone lose the extra money, and no one wants that! So what do yall think, why are Democrats on a losing streak?


because they think with emotion and not logic...and screw you reaching into my wallet..so you can give a patronage job to joe bob..same applies to repugnicents!

Basically, if the Dems want to win, they need to realize that the majority of Americans support the Dems on pretty much every hot-button issue, and the problem is that the Dems are supporting the Republicans on every single one of those issues.

yeah, i still don't understand what the fuck is wrong with them - it's as if they don't even want to be a political party

Radicals like Gore

anyone ever get the feeling that these people must live in some alternate reality? from what they tell me about it, it seem a shade nicer than my reality.

anyone ever get the feeling that these people must live in some alternate reality? from what they tell me about it, it seem a shade nicer than my reality.

Eh, I've gotten used to it. Just think of all the things they can't enjoy that this reality has.

Well, in the present, the Democratic Party is utterly without direction. The mainstream Dems on the national level are all complete jackasses, and a lot of them are becoming reactionary losers.

As Lewis Black said recently, the Republicans are a party of Bad Ideas, while the Democrats are a party of No Ideas.

Seriously, the loudest figurehead for the Democrats at this point is Hillary, and she's busy saying that video games are destroying American youth (a purely reactionary tactic). Nobody wants to rally behind her because they're all worried about whether America's ready for a female president, so the party's running around like a chicken with its head cut off.

i would vote for pee wee herman yanking it in a voting booth before i would vote for hitlery..or what ever guise she is pretending to be now.

i would vote for pee wee herman yanking it in a voting booth before i would vote for hitlery..or what ever guise she is pretending to be now.

SO would I. OF course, I would vote for Hillary (grudgingly) over just about every Republican.

To properly answer the question, I dug up an old excerpt that I posted on the forum long ago, as it answers the question better than I could

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Originally by Thomas Frank, What's the Matter with Kansas?

Who is to blame for this landscape of distortion, or paranoia, and of good people led astray? I have spent much of this book enumerating the ways in which Kansas voters choose self-destructive policies, but it is just as clear to me that liberalism deserves a large share of the blame for the backlash phenomenon. Liberalism may not be the monstrous, all-powerful conspiracy that conservatives make it out to be, but its failings are clear nonetheless. Somewhere in the last four decades liberalism ceased to be relevant to huge portions of its traditional constituency, and we can say that liberalism lost [his emphasis] places like Shawnee and Wichita with as much accuracy as we can point out that conservatism won them over.

This is due partially, I think, to the Democratic Party's more-or-less official response to its waning fortunes. The Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), the organization that produced such figures as Bill Clinton, Al Gore, Joe Lieberman, and Terry McAuliffe, has long been pushing the party to forget blue-collar voters and concentrate instead on recruiting affluent, white-collar professionals who are liberal on social issues. The larger interests that the DLC wants desperately to court are corporations, capable of generating campaign contributions far outweighing anything raised by organized labor. The way to collect the votes and--more importantly-- the money of these coveted constituencies, "New Democrats" think, is to stand rock-solid on, say, the pro-choice position while making endless concessions on economic issues, on welfare, NAFTA, Social Security, labor law, privatization, deregulation, and the rest of it. Such Democrats explicitly rule out what they deride as "class warfare" and take great pains to emphasize their friendliness to business interests. Like the conservatives, they take economic issues off the table. As for the working-class voters who were until recently the party's very backbone, the DLC figures they will have nowhere else to go; Democrats will always be marginally better on economic issues than Republicans. Besides, what politician in this success-worshipping country really wants to be the voice of the poor people? Where's the soft money in that?

This is, in dramatic miniature, the criminally stupid strategy that has dominated Democratic thinking off and on ever since the "New Politics" days of the early seventies. Over the years it has enjoyed few successes: the word yuppie, remember, was coined in 1984 to describe followers of the presidential candidate Gary Hart. But, as political writer E.J. Dionne has pointed out, the larger result was that both parties became "vehicles for upper-middle-class interests", and the old class-based language of the left quickly disappeared from the universe of the respectable. The Republicans, meanwhile, were industriously fabricating their own class-based language of the right, and while they made their populist appeal to blue-collar voters, Democrats were giving those same voters--their traditional constituency--the big brush-off, ousting their representatives from positions within the party and consigning their issues, with a laugh and a sneer, to the dustbin of history. A more ruinous strategy for the Democrats would have been difficult to invent. And the ruination keeps on coming. However desperately they triangulate and accomodate, the losses keep mounting.

Curiously enough, though, Democrats of the DLC variety aren't worried. They seem to look forward to the day when their party really is what David Brooks and Ann Coulter claim it to be now: a coming-together of the rich and the self-righteous. While Republicans trick out their poisonous stereotype of the liberal elite, Democrats seem determined to live up to the libel.

Such Democrats look at a situation like present-day Kansas and rub their hands with anticipation: Just look at how Ronald Reagan's "social issues" have come back to bite his party in the ass! If only those crazy Cons push just a little bit more, these Democrats think, the Republican Party will alienate the wealthy suburban Mods for good, and we will be able to step in and carry places like Mission Hills, along with all the juicy boodle that its inhabitants are capable of throwing our way.

While I enjoy watching Republicans fight one another as much as the next guy, I don't think the Kansas story really gives true liberals any cause to cheer. Maybe someday the DLC dream will come to pass, with the Democrats having movied so far to the right that they are no different from old-fashioned moderate Republicans, and maybe then the affluent will finally come over to their side en masse. But along the way the things that liberalism once stood for--equality and economic security--will have been abandoned completely. Abandoned, let us remember, at the historical moment when we needed them most.