NationStates Jolt Archive


Muslims In The Marines

RockTheCasbah
07-08-2006, 20:02
COMMENTARY: I found this article online in the NYT. It details the experiences of Muslim-Americans who have served in Iraq, what their families thought of it, what they thought of it, and how they were received by their communities when they came back.

Generations of Americans since the days of the Revolution have served honorably in America's armed services, and Muslims are following that tradition. I know I give Islam a lot of bad rap on these forums, but it's important to remember that you can't paint them all with one brush, and that there are Muslims who take it upon themselves to defend freedom and democracy abroad.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/07/nyregion/07marines.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

Here's the first page:

"Few people ever see Ismile Althaibani’s Purple Heart. He keeps the medal tucked away in a dresser. His Marine uniform is stored in a closet. His hair is no longer shaved to the scalp.

It has been 20 months since he returned from Iraq after a roadside explosion shattered his left foot. He never expected a hero’s welcome, and it never came — none of the balloons or hand-written signs that greeted another man from his unit who lived blocks away.

Mr. Althaibani, 23, was the last of five young marines to come home to an extended family of Yemeni immigrants in Brooklyn. Like the others, he grew accustomed to the uneasy stares and prying questions. He learned not to talk about his service in the company of Muslim neighbors and relatives.

“I try not to let people know I’m in the military,” said Mr. Althaibani, a lance corporal in the Marine Corps Reserve.

The passage home from Iraq has been difficult for many American troops. They have struggled to recover from the shocking intensity of the war. They have faced the country’s ambivalence about a conflict in which thousands of their fellow soldiers have been killed or maimed.

But for Muslim Americans like Mr. Althaibani, the experience has been especially fraught.

They were called upon to fight a Muslim enemy, alongside comrades who sometimes questioned their loyalty. They returned home to neighborhoods where the occupation is commonly dismissed as an imperialist crusade, and where Muslims who serve in Iraq are often disparaged as traitors.

Some 3,500 Muslims have been deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan with the United States armed forces, military figures show. Seven of them have been killed, and 212 have been awarded Combat Action Ribbons.

More than half these troops are African-American. But little else is known about Muslims in the military. There is no count of those who are immigrants or of Middle Eastern descent. There is no full measure of their honors or injuries, their struggle overseas and at home.

A piece of the story is found near Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, where two sets of brothers and a young cousin share a singular kinship. They grew up blocks apart, in the cradle of a large Muslim family. They joined the Marines, passing from one fraternity to another. Within the span of a year and a half, they had all gone to Iraq and come home.

Ismile’s cousin Ace Montaser sensed a new distance among the men at his mosque on State Street. He described it as “the awkward eye.”

Ismile’s older brother Abe, a burly New York City police officer, learned to avoid political debates.

Their cousin Abdulbasset Montaser took a different approach. He answered questions about whether he served in Iraq with a feisty, “Yeah, we’re going to Yemen next!” He has helped recruit for the Marines and boasts about his cousin’s medal to the neighbors.

“I want every Muslim in the military to be recognized,” said Mr. Montaser, a corporal. “If not, people will feel they’re not doing their part.”

Their service bears some resemblance to that of Japanese and German immigrants who fought for the United States in World War II. But for Muslims of Arab descent, the call to serve in Iraq is complicated not only by ethnic ties, but by religion.

Islamic scholars have long debated the circumstances under which it is permissible for Muslims to fight one another. The arguments are intricate, centering on the question of what constitutes a just war.

In Brooklyn, those fine points are easily lost. Here, many immigrants say that killing Muslims is simply wrong, and they cite the Koran as proof. Their opposition to the war is rooted as much in religion, they say, as in Arab solidarity.

The same week that Abe Althaibani headed to Iraq with the 25th Marine Regiment, his wife joined thousands of antiwar protesters in Manhattan, shouting, “No blood for oil!”

“It was my people,” said his wife, Esmihan Althaibani, a regal woman with luminous green eyes. “I went because it was Arabs.”
Pepe Dominguez
07-08-2006, 20:06
Those guys are certainly worthy of respect.. I can understand why they'd not want to let some of their coreligionists know, for obvious reasons, but that probably can't be helped..
United Chicken Kleptos
07-08-2006, 20:06
I can't help but love you for posting this. It's something we might actually agree on. :)
RockTheCasbah
07-08-2006, 20:08
I can't help but love you for posting this. It's something we might actually agree on. :)
Agreed. :fluffle:

Those guys are certainly worthy of respect.. I can understand why they'd not want to let some of their coreligionists know, for obvious reasons, but that probably can't be helped..
It's really too bad, though, I mean, they fought for their homeland, and their own community disowns them, in a way.
Pepe Dominguez
07-08-2006, 20:12
It's really too bad, though, I mean, they fought for their homeland, and their own community disowns them, in a way.

Some of them probably do, but less of the younger generation, I'd suspect. Less of their own generation.
New Stalinberg
07-08-2006, 20:13
They're just as American as baseball and apple pie! They deserve respect too!
Antikythera
07-08-2006, 20:15
i think its sad that they feel they have to hide that they are military but i thnk its really cool that they were/are willing to serve no matter what the cost.
props to them.
RockTheCasbah
07-08-2006, 20:15
Some of them probably do, but less of the younger generation, I'd suspect. Less of their own generation.
The way I read it, it was the other way around. Their parents seemed unhappy with their decision to serve, and while some of their own peers probably don't respect them, it seemed like someone their age was MORE likely to respect them.
Pepe Dominguez
07-08-2006, 20:15
They're just as American as baseball and apple pie! They deserve respect too!

Exactly. I'm sure lots of German and Italian-American soldiers got the stinkeye when they came back from WWI and WWII, but it's probably tougher being a small minority, as Arab-Americans are. It can't be an easy thing to deal with.
Wallonochia
07-08-2006, 20:15
What about Muslims in the Army?

*goes off and grumbles about the USMC's fantastic PR department*
Call to power
07-08-2006, 20:16
I can't Imagine what they must of gone through In the military and outside of it

but yeah there as American as Uncle Sam (nearly said the statue of liberty:D)
RockTheCasbah
07-08-2006, 20:16
What about Muslims in the Army?

*goes off and grumbles about the USMC's fantastic PR department*
:p
Pepe Dominguez
07-08-2006, 20:17
The way I read it, it was the other way around. Their parents seemed unhappy with their decision to serve, and while some of their own peers probably don't respect them, it seemed like someone their age was MORE likely to respect them.

Isn't that what I said? I thought so..
RockTheCasbah
07-08-2006, 20:23
Isn't that what I said? I thought so..
Sorry, I think I misundastood :cool: you