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So, I am an amateur at it, but I want to do it, since its alot of fun, however, all i have right now is Windows Movie Maker(or whatever its called) and it sucks. What can you suggest i buy or download? I want the option to play licensed materials, i want to be able to have many different file types to use, and i would like it to be a little more user friendly, as I am still an amateur at it. Thanks for anyhelp :)

Adobe Premiere(sp? is a good starter program if you can afford it.

Adobe Premiere(sp? is a good starter program if you can afford it.


well right now, i can afford free and dirt cheap...

well right now, i can afford free and dirt cheap...


well i dont think its free, but its what i used while at CCP. pretty easy to use and effective.


....dont know of any free ones.

Adobe Premiere(sp? is a good starter program if you can afford it.
Starter? what windows software do you preffer beyond that?

Personaly Premier and Vegas are my two

well i dont think its free, but its what i used while at CCP. pretty easy to use and effective.


....dont know of any free ones.


well thanks anyways...i think i could -cough- steal-cough...ermm find a copy of Adobe premiere ;)

Starter? what windows software do you preffer beyond that?

Personaly Premier and Vegas are my two


it was the first one i ever used...hence the starter.


and i havent used any programs in a few years so i didnt know if any better programs came out since...

well thanks anyways...i think i could -cough- steal-cough...ermm find a copy of Adobe premiere ;)


you never know. youd be amazed at the stuff that falls of the back of trucks these days....

it was the first one i ever used...hence the starter.


and i havent used any programs in a few years so i didnt know if any better programs came out since...
Vegas is an upgrade but not groundbreaking just a good solid piece of software

Jahshaka is open source. I guess that's cheap enough. Don't know how good it is, though. You may want to read a few related magazines for product reviews.

Hmm, do I have to buy Microsoft Movie maker or does it come with XP?

Hmm, do I have to buy Microsoft Movie maker or does it come with XP?
It comes with XP.

It comes with XP.

Sweeeet.

Vegas is an upgrade but not groundbreaking just a good solid piece of software

is it expensive?

Jahshaka is open source. I guess that's cheap enough. Don't know how good it is, though. You may want to read a few related magazines for product reviews.


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is it expensive?
Premier price range … it is equivalent competing software made for a production environment

500

Yay! *devours cookie*

Still, I don't know how good that is. Open Source software sometimes is very advanced, sometimes not so much.

Ulead VideoStudio is easy to use and works well for me.

Oh and not sure how full featured it is but

http://www.sonymediasoftware.com/products/showproduct.asp?pid=965

There is a free trial

Premier price range … it is equivalent competing software made for a production environment

500


nice. i could probably get it for less if i get it thorugh my school.

nice. i could probably get it for less if i get it thorugh my school.
Me as well I got it for 212 for a full version … educational software rocks

Sweeeet.
Not really. It cannot work with very many filetypes. Even ones that work fine on Windows Media Player (stupid name). You can tell they do not pay much attention to it.

It does get a major overhaul for Vista, IIRC.

VideoStudio 10 plus costs 100 dollars and there is a free trial version

http://www.ulead.com/vs/

Me as well I got it for 212 for a full version … educational software rocks


yeah it does. I was offered 250 for premiere a long while ago. but turned it down ( i couldnt even afford it then :( )

Not really. It cannot work with very many filetypes. Even ones that work fine on Windows Media Player (stupid name). You can tell they do not pay much attention to it.

It does get a major overhaul for Vista, IIRC.
Yeah but mine is buggy in my vista install

yeah it does. I was offered 250 for premiere a long while ago. but turned it down ( i couldnt even afford it then :( )
Yeah bout the same when I bought my premiere as well (few years ago)

I feel like I should reply, but I use Final Cut which is both expensive (yay school discount on my now very dated version) and you have to have a Mac. Not really worth it if you're just hobbying.

I will in a week finally have something to shoot footage to edit with, even if it's expensive as all hell to get the medium...

Yeah but mine is buggy in my vista install
I just glazed over looking at it.

Besides, between Vista's highram usage and my bad ram, everything was a lil buggy, and allot crashy.

I feel like I should reply, but I use Final Cut which is both expensive (yay school discount on my now very dated version) and you have to have a Mac. Not really worth it if you're just hobbying.

I will in a week finally have something to shoot footage to edit with, even if it's expensive as all hell to get the medium...
Ehhh I was never all that impressed with final cut … its not bad but in the end I guess I like vegas a bit more for software

Not to mention that vegas runs distributed on 2 processes … not a big deal for most people unless they are like me running 2 processors so I can span and cut my encoding time down by 50%

I just glazed over looking at it.

Besides, between Vista's highram usage and my bad ram, everything was a lil buggy, and allot crashy.
Ahhh I am up to 4 gigs now so not really an issue here

Ehhh I was never all that impressed with final cut … its not bad but in the end I guess I like vegas a bit more for software

Not to mention that vegas runs distributed on 2 processes … not a big deal for most people unless they are like me running 2 processors so I can span and cut my encoding time down by 50%
WTF? Have you seen those new Future Shop commercials? "Get a dual-core so you can listen to music, use the internet and write an essay all at the same time" LOL, no wonder you have a job. You just need to meet XP's min specs to do that.:D

WTF? Have you seen those new Future Shop commercials? "Get a dual-core so you can listen to music, use the internet and write an essay all at the same time" LOL, no wonder you have a job. You just need to meet XP's min specs to do that.:D
Yeah kick your ram up to a gig and you will do all that comfortably

Kick it up to 2 gigs and you can add BF2 on top of all that :)

Ehhh I was never all that impressed with final cut … its not bad but in the end I guess I like vegas a bit more for software

Not to mention that vegas runs distributed on 2 processes … not a big deal for most people unless they are like me running 2 processors so I can span and cut my encoding time down by 50%
FCPs been doing that since 4.5 I believe, to run on the G5 dual processors. For me it's all about industry standard. I don't see many listings for a Vegas editor, but I do for Final Cut and Avid (Avid I don't have. I wish I did.)

FCPs been doing that since 4.5 I believe, to run on the G5 dual processors. For me it's all about industry standard. I don't see many listings for a Vegas editor, but I do for Final Cut and Avid (Avid I don't have. I wish I did.)
Ehhh they do a false process emulation … it helps but its not nearly the same

Ahhh I am up to 4 gigs now so not really an issue here
Yes, but you suck.
*is envious*
Yeah kick your ram up to a gig and you will do all that comfortably

Kick it up to 2 gigs and you can add BF2 on top of all that :)
You have high standards of comfortable.

I can do that comfortably with 224MiB (rofl, that PC is so fucked right now. right clicking does not work. you have menu+click to get the context sensative menu, which appears at the top right of the window/desktop), 1GiB for BF2.

Yes, but you suck.
*is envious*

You have high standards of comfortable.

I can do that comfortably with 224MiB (rofl, that PC is so fucked right now. right clicking does not work. you have menu+click to get the context sensative menu, which appears at the top right of the window/desktop), 1GiB for BF2.
Oh you can do it … I was talking about flawless integration without ANY performance hit.

If you are willing to take a bit you can do it on much less

(like right now the hot that it is windows when you give it a FREE leash takes about 500 MB of ram … I sit at about 700 but that’s with a lot of shit open)

Oh you can do it … I was talking about flawless integration without ANY performance hit.

If you are willing to take a bit you can do it on much less

(like right now the hot that it is windows when you give it a FREE leash takes about 500 MB of ram … I sit at about 700 but that’s with a lot of shit open)
I'm at 330MiB right now. The biggest offender being XGL, taking up a third of that.

I'm at 330MiB right now. The biggest offender being XGL, taking up a third of that.
I was talking about windows which is more of a hog

using 230 right now on my *nix box most of which is for Stellar which is being emulated in wine to recover a windows laptop hard drive

I was talking about windows which is more of a hog

using 230 right now on my *nix box most of which is for Stellar which is being emulated in wine to recover a windows laptop hard drive
Vista idled at 576 fo' me. I have no idea where XP idles for me. I frankly don't have that much faith in it. When it says you have more mem than BIOS can detect, something ain't right.

final cut pro is a very useful software package for video editing although perhaps not the most amateur friendly but you could learn how to use it in a few weeks if you spend time with it.

Adobe Premiere(sp? is a good starter program if you can afford it.
i found it difficult to use and a piece of shit.... then again, it was an old version (before even real-time effects were added and you had to re-render the entire clip just to see what a single change did :rolleyes: :headbang: ), and i don't generally like adobe's non-intuitive GUI
it also didn't like the resolution of the Canon XM1 we have (i think 4,000x4,000) and crashed a lot.
unless you go for the latest, latest version, i couldn't possibly recommend Premier


i've made some fairly pro-looking stuff with the free windows movie maker program that's been shown at conferences and things, and gone down well. the only problem i had wasn't in fact anything to do with the program (it did a great job of splicing up the DV files and couldn't have been easier to use in simply arranging clips of interviews - nothing fancy, it just did the job) but with my camera's microphone.
(edit: i'm not saying it does a great professional job, but its free and easy to use (for me) and just does the job unless you want fancy stuff)

Ok, a bit harder question. What you guys recommend for pro use? My boss is finally going to change the whole edit system and we can't decide between Final Cut and Avid. There's nothing worth saving in the old system so he'd buy new hardware in any case. I haven't really used either (just some very basic editing).

The one I've enjoyed the most was Liquid Silver (Fast, back then) and the worst one ever has been Discreet (Pinnacle).

Ok, a bit harder question. What you guys recommend for pro use? My boss is finally going to change the whole edit system and we can't decide between Final Cut and Avid. There's nothing worth saving in the old system so he'd buy new hardware in any case. I haven't really used either (just some very basic editing).

The one I've enjoyed the most was Liquid Silver (Fast, back then) and the worst one ever has been Discreet (Pinnacle).
Probably Avid, it's still faster and more, for lack of a better term, durable. Most of the time when I work with broadcast shows they all still edit on Avid, saying that Final Cut hasn't quite caught up in a high volumne setting. For low volumne editing Final Cut is great, and cheaper. So it depends on the level of editing you're doing and how much you want to spend on it.

Probably Avid, it's still faster and more, for lack of a better term, durable. Most of the time when I work with broadcast shows they all still edit on Avid, saying that Final Cut hasn't quite caught up in a high volumne setting. For low volumne editing Final Cut is great, and cheaper. So it depends on the level of editing you're doing and how much you want to spend on it.
Very, very small company (I'm the film and sound editor, script writer, graphic designer ;) ) We would survive with Final Cut, almost got it already, but now another company is trying to sell all their edits and they have one brand new Avid...and the price isn't too bad.

Very, very small company (I'm the film and sound editor, script writer, graphic designer ;) ) We would survive with Final Cut, almost got it already, but now another company is trying to sell all their edits and they have one brand new Avid...and the price isn't too bad.
If they where the same price, I'd get the Avid. Though I like using Final Cut but that's just because I'm used to it.

You're gig rocks. I wish I was doing something like that. I like working on the set, but not at the lowly level I do.

So, I am an amateur at it, but I want to do it, since its alot of fun, however, all i have right now is Windows Movie Maker(or whatever its called) and it sucks. What can you suggest i buy or download? I want the option to play licensed materials, i want to be able to have many different file types to use, and i would like it to be a little more user friendly, as I am still an amateur at it. Thanks for anyhelp :)

Do what I do. Take snippets from your favorite porn, edit them together with your favorite music as the soundtrack.

It's good practice, and it's fun.

You're gig rocks. I wish I was doing something like that. I like working on the set, but not at the lowly level I do.
I wish I was doing something like that with another boss. But can't complain too much.