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I'd have to say Gul Dukat from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Unlike the cliche villains on Star Wars, he is a multi-dimensional character who draws a variety of reactions from the viewers and those around him.

We of course know his history as Prefect of Bajor where he killed millions. THis history of course draws a negative light on him. Regardless of what happened, by comparison to other Cardassians, he was humane. He ended child labor and cut worker quotas.

During the first few seasons of DS9, we see multiple sides of him. Dukat was an ally of the Federation. when it came to fighting the Klingons when a Changeling replaced General Martok and convinced Gowron to fight the Federation.

We saw a major change in Dukat when he found his half-Bajoran daughter Ziyal. He originally was going to kill her to cover up her existance. Major Kira stopped him. ONce Dukat and Ziyal had a close father-daughter relationship, you could see Dukat in a better light. Dukat once again helped the Federation as he fought the Klingons in his stolen bird of prey.

Just when we think Dukat has changed, he announces that he had been in secret talks with the Dominion. In exchange for leadership over Cardassia, the Cardassian Union became an ally of the Dominion. Dukat and Weyoun then lead the attack on DS9 to begin the DOminion War.

When the station was retaken, Ziyal was killed and Dukat had a mental breakdown. Despite his many crimes, the viewer actually felt sympathy for him. This changed once a demented Dukat became even more deranged and swore that he would destroy Bajor. This all lead to his pact with the Pah-Wraiths. Dukat released a Pah-Wraith into the wormhole with the intent to destroy the Bajoran people. In the process, he killed my favorite character.:( (We still miss you Jadzia Dax)

Dukat was a great villain. He could surprise the viewer. Unlike most Sci-Fi characters, it was hard to judge initially whether he was truly evil or good. When we made a judgement leaning one way, he'd surprise you and make you question your previous judgement.

What an awful choice.

Gul Dukat? Only a mega-fan could say that... Ewww...

Hal

The negative monster from forbidden planet. Pure class.

Mechagodzilla. Hands down.

Bush

http://dubyasong.ytmnd.com/
Congratulations for being an idiot and turning this thread into a political one.

What an awful choice.

Gul Dukat? Only a mega-fan could say that... Ewww...
I am a mega-fan. He's a great character. I also loved Weyoun's character

Congratulations for being an idiot and turning this thread into a political one.
Woah someone is way too uptight about the sci-fi thread … I knew I was a geek but woah it was just a joke if a bad one, settle down tiger.

I'd say....


Dark Helmet. :D

Woah someone is way too uptight about the sci-fi thread … I knew I was a geek but woah it was just a joke if a bad one, settle down tiger.
I don't care about off-topic posts so long as it stays away from a political OOOH BUSH SUZKORS OR KERRY SUKZ thread.

Darth Vader.

IT'S VADER TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't care about off-topic posts so long as it stays away from a political OOOH BUSH SUZKORS OR KERRY SUKZ thread.
Im sorry it was all I found when I was browsing through the site earlier I not a member of a lot of those sites.

If there was another popular figure in there that tied so well into “Sci fi” like the bush did with his star trek outfit that would have been posted

But in the end I did not see one


Oh well I still giggle at it

LAWL, BUSH!

Eat my wooden shoe! :p



Dukat? Pssh. Baal from Stargate > Dukat.

I think Quinn Dexter from P.F Hamilton's Night's Dawn Trilogy is up there. Nothing but pure malice and pervertedness. I don't think he was intended to be the brightest of bulbs, but he was very cunning and tenacious. I was starting to wonder how the massive trilogy would wrap up towards the end.

Bush

http://dubyasong.ytmnd.com/
*sighs* What plugin do I need to play this?

*fires up Synaptic*

Ummm, on topic, on topic. *dances like I need to go to the bathroom*

I am going to have to agree with HAL. It killed because it was confused.

*sighs* What plugin do I need to play this?

*fires up Synaptic*

Ummm, on topic, on topic. *dances like I need to go to the bathroom*

I am going to have to agree with HAL. It killed because it was confused.
Been so long ... I think it is quicktime if I remember right

Worst sci fi villian was John Travolta in Battlefield Earth.


im sure the book was better (at least i hope)

Been so long ... I think it is quicktime if I remember right
Gxine?
*tries*
Nope. You need to break your system more so you know your media plugins better.
Not VLC either.
Nor Helix Player.
*gives up*

Darth Vader. At least before he became Emo-Anakin. He was all man-machine, choking people across the room, red lightsaber "I am your father, BITCH!"

Vader was friggen awesome.

Worst sci fi villian was John Travolta in Battlefield Earth.


im sure the book was better (at least i hope)

How can you blame the pawn who played the part when the master of sci fi villiany wrote the book? L Ron Hubbard is the ebil one.

Abaddon the Despoiler

Noone is more evil than him.

Vader.

Gxine?
*tries*
Nope. You need to break your system more so you know your media plugins better.
Sorry on windows box for the night my *nix box is chugging along trying to recover a laptop hard drive

Dukat has some depth, and at times you think he may not be that bad, just from a radically different culture. But other times he is clearly evil as hell. He is a sufficient villain most of the time, but there are several sci-fi heavy's that I think are much better- Vader in particular.

And I am more fed up with Bush/Shrub/Bushisms/Anti-Bush everything than I am with Chuck Norris. Let me say, that's pretty damn bad. So I understand IDF's reaction.

Jesus

Jesus

We're talking Sci-fi, not fantasy, man.

Keruvalia:

"Jesus"


Which sci fi was he in?

We're talking Sci-fi, not fantasy, man.
You bitch about bush in a star trek outfit making its way in this thread, but join in when religion makes its way in too? Wtf

Keruvalia:

"Jesus"


Which sci fi was he in?

I can't believe you haven't heard of it. It's called "The Bible". Except, as I already said, it's fantasy, not Sci-fi.

(here I go, talking about how I hate people who bring up Bush every five seconds, and I fall into Keruvalia's religion trap. Sorry IDF)

Hal

"Stop. Stop Dave. I'm scared Dave. Stop. My mind is going. I can feel it. I can feel it, Dave." ;)

Yeah, I think I agree with you. He is a really creepy villain with just the right mixture of inhumanity and humanity.

Alex "you can't have a society with everybody behaving in my manner of the night" DeLarge - he may not have had the power of most great villains, but you can't beat him for pure unadulturated purposeless sociopathy.

Worst sci fi villian was John Travolta in Battlefield Earth.

Terl

im sure the book was better (at least i hope)

Yeah, it was - in the same way a gut punch is better than getting kicked in the nads.

*twitches. spasms. shakes* KHAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!! :mad:

Hehehe. :D

Unless...
Does Randall Flagg/Flagg/Marten/Walter/etc. count? Because I have to go with him. *nod*

The Guy who said:

" I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Stallin, easy win

Stallin, easy win

Stallin, easy win

Stallin, easy win

Stallin, easy win

Stallin, easy win

The Guy who said:

" I find your lack of faith disturbing.

:eek: Pat Robertson?!? :eek:

Cancer Man.

:eek: Pat Robertson?!? :eek:


I was going for Oren Hatch, actually, but thats a good guess!

Stallin, easy win
How the FUCK did you manage to bypass the flood control?!

How the FUCK did you manage to bypass the flood control?!
Jolt went apeshit around that time. *nod*

Keruvalia:

"Jesus"


Which sci fi was he in?He has a short part in "The Life of Brian".

lol, Deleted post...
Darth Vader.

The annonymous Stormtrooper :D
I would say either Darth Vader (as a cyborg, not when he was fully human) or Emperor Palpatine. Being able to manipulate an entire Senate into making him Supreme Chancellor, giving him all those powers, plus fomenting a Sepratist movement and playing them each other.

How can you blame the pawn who played the part when the master of sci fi villiany wrote the book? L Ron Hubbard is the ebil one.

Hubbard? Is this the same Hubbard who founded Scientology and got arrested for fraud?

Komyunizumu']Hubbard? Is this the same Hubbard who founded Scientology and got arrested for fraud?

Yep. Same Hubbard. He was a science fiction writer long before he created a nutty religion. :)

The Daleks :p

To be honest, the greatest sci-fi stories don't have a real villain. It's too black and white when it's good vs evil, too two-dimensional.

Scariest:
The “Alien” in the first Alien movie, before he became an automaton robot warrior of the later movies, the first one scared the shit out of people.

Most in your face: Darth Vader in IV, and V.

Most unbeatable villain, the one the hero can’t actually beat and the audience is left thinking, “damn” at the end of the movie, it’s a tie:
-The “Man,” the bureaucracy itself, the Government with a secret in Soylent Green.
-The Ape world itself and not being able to return home in the original Planet of the Apes, before the sequels messed over the whole thing.

Cock-Knocker from bluntman and cronic (jay and silent bob strike back)

http://praxeology.net/MORDEN.JPG

http://praxeology.net/MORDEN.JPGHe was just a lackey to the Shadows, though..

The agent from Serenity was an excellent villain.
*Spoiler*
Although, I was dissappointed that when he saw the error of his ways, he didn't fall on his sword as I had expected.

For scary, the Alien wins without doubt. Especially the Queen.

For bigness, gotta go with King Ghidrah from Godzilla movies. He's so cool.

What an awful choice.

Gul Dukat? Only a mega-fan could say that... Ewww...

Yep...everyone knows that the Borg are the biggest Sci-Fi villain of all time. :D

Vader ties with Sauron and the Witch-King for appearance awesomeness. Vader has choke skillz though, so Vader. [/unoriginality]

http://praxeology.net/MORDEN.JPG

Hey!!!! I liked him. He is not the greatest villain of all time in the B5 world. The shadows themselves where.

Do not pick on Morden like that :(

Keruvalia:

"Jesus"


Which sci fi was he in?

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rnuninga/NovCol/NCjom-e.jpg

Richard M. Nixon

Fidel Castro, year 2350:D .

TNG Borg.

Han Solo, or Chewbacca. Two of the coolest anarchistic terrorists around.
If you haven't heard of "a case for the empire", check this (http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/001/248ipzbt.asp?pg=1) out.
Actually in terms of the 'greatest' villian it would be Yoda. His efforts to maintain, then regain the rule of the elitist and genetically superior order of the jedi are truly amazing. Even after losing his perch on top of the galaxy to the empire, he then masterminds a plan to topple the empire itself (at the expense of the trillions upon trillions of inhabitants in the empire. This would most likely end in a galactic chaos, where it would be easy for the jedi to lord it over the rabble.

Vader. In the first two movies.

Abaddon the Despoiler

Noone is more evil than him.
Except for Horus, I'd say!

Horus has wreaked more havoc on the whole galaxy than Abbadon could ever wish to accomplish. *nods*

Stella Mudd

http://homepage.mac.com/m5comp/trekbits/trekpics/imudd/imudd5.jpg

For the obvious reason (below) I change my vote.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/PootWaddle/Aaaagh.jpg

For the obvious reason (below) I change my vote.

http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k23/PootWaddle/Aaaagh.jpg

Hey! Do not pick on poor Stuff Puffy like that. He is not evil you meanie! *runs off crying*

Richard M. Nixon

Lest you think I'm just being partisan here: Philip K. Dick Is Dead, Alas by Michael Bishop.

Lest you think I'm just being partisan here: Philip K. Dick Is Dead, Alas by Michael Bishop.

Funnily enough thats what I thought of when I saw your first post! LOL

*twitches. spasms. shakes* KHAAAAAAANNNN!!!!!! :mad:


*echoes* KHAAAAANNNNN!!!!!!

First off, anyone who says that a Star Wars villain is one of the best has no taste and no ability to determine the quality of a character.

Second off, no one from Stargate would qualify either. While fun and whatnot, it's not up to Star Trek's quality.

Third off, not even Gul Dukat qualifies. I'm sorry, but even with his depth, he's nowhere near the best.

There is only one man for the best. Only one person for the job. We all know his name. We all scream it in agony. It is, the one and only: KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!


...

Nah, seriously, I have no idea. Wouldn't be anyone from the three Stars though.

First off, anyone who says that a Star Wars villain is one of the best has no taste and no ability to determine the quality of a character.

Second off, no one from Stargate would qualify either. While fun and whatnot, it's not up to Star Trek's quality.

Third off, not even Gul Dukat qualifies. I'm sorry, but even with his depth, he's nowhere near the best.

There is only one man for the best. Only one person for the job. We all know his name. We all scream it in agony. It is, the one and only: KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!


...

Nah, seriously, I have no idea. Wouldn't be anyone from the three Stars though.
The question was the greatest, not the most original/obscure. Besides I am attempting to chaff the arses of all of the star wars kids by nominating Yoda.

The agent from Serenity was an excellent villain.
*Spoiler*
Although, I was dissappointed that when he saw the error of his ways, he didn't fall on his sword as I had expected.

To be fair, he was kinda chained up at that point. :p

Anyways, I'm kinda divided. On the one hand the Daleks. On the other hand, the Borg. On my left foot, carefully balanced Dukat, and on my right foot The Operative. Good thing I'm sitting down, eh?

Hmm...

Best "Chaotic Evil" Villain: awarded jointly to the Shadows and the Vorlons from Babylon 5. Need I say more?

Best "Really Obviously Evil" Villain: Anubis, Stargate SG-1 - villains are so much funnier/better when you know they're a reference to another villain (say, Palpatine).

i still say HAL wins

Shouldn't there be some definition of what a "villain" is? Are we talking "embodiment of pure evil," " Christ, this thing wants to eat me / impregnate me," or "this guy wants the opposite of me?" Scifi books, or films and tv?

Vader is pretty good, and has the best theme music ;)

Khan, too, is a contender. What about Baltar, or maybe Count Iblis?

How about the slugs in Heinlein's book The Puppet Masters?

I don't know what to call Event Horizon, or Maximillian from the Black Hole.

Uh-uh, guys. You want the best, you gotta go Old School. Who was blowing up planets DECADES bfore anybody heard the term "Death Star"? Who was setting up autocracies long before Kirk and Spock's creator was even born? Who was so EVIL the good guys had to create the Lensmen (clear progenitors of the Jedi, but a hell of a lot smarter) just to have a chance?

Eddore.

Infinitely old, staggeringly powerful, and dedicated to converting the entire UNIVERSE into a twisted mirror of themselves.

The Eddorians, through their great organization Boskone, thought nothing of obliterating world, peoples, whole stellar systems, just because they were in the way. And where brute force was contraindicated, their tools were corruption, vice and depravity - who cares wh wins if both sides serve Eddore's purpose?

These johhnnie-come-latelies ain't a patch on the Real Thing.

OOOOOOH, I know! Princess Ardala from Buck Rogers! Now there's a villain for you. "Become my sex slave, or I will wipe out the Earth."

Probably the Mooninites.

sci fi villian... UNICRON. it's got a very simple need... it just wants to eat planets.


other than that, the Doctor from Lost in Space. he wants to screw the family over, but he knows he needs them...

To be fair, he was kinda chained up at that point. :p
I meant when he was free, after saying goodbye to Malcolm and the crew.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~rnuninga/NovCol/NCjom-e.jpg

*is officially gobsmacked* :eek:

Wait...

Anybody remember the fifth book in the Hitchiker Trilogy?

That version of the Hitchiker's Guide.

Your explanation of Dukat is strikingly similar to that "cliched" villain Darth Vader.

I was always amazed at Palpatines ability to manipulate.

I'd have to say Gul Dukat from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. Unlike the cliche villains on Star Wars, he is a multi-dimensional character who draws a variety of reactions from the viewers and those around him.

We of course know his history as Prefect of Bajor where he killed millions. THis history of course draws a negative light on him. Regardless of what happened, by comparison to other Cardassians, he was humane. He ended child labor and cut worker quotas.

During the first few seasons of DS9, we see multiple sides of him. Dukat was an ally of the Federation. when it came to fighting the Klingons when a Changeling replaced General Martok and convinced Gowron to fight the Federation.

We saw a major change in Dukat when he found his half-Bajoran daughter Ziyal. He originally was going to kill her to cover up her existance. Major Kira stopped him. ONce Dukat and Ziyal had a close father-daughter relationship, you could see Dukat in a better light. Dukat once again helped the Federation as he fought the Klingons in his stolen bird of prey.

Just when we think Dukat has changed, he announces that he had been in secret talks with the Dominion. In exchange for leadership over Cardassia, the Cardassian Union became an ally of the Dominion. Dukat and Weyoun then lead the attack on DS9 to begin the DOminion War.

When the station was retaken, Ziyal was killed and Dukat had a mental breakdown. Despite his many crimes, the viewer actually felt sympathy for him. This changed once a demented Dukat became even more deranged and swore that he would destroy Bajor. This all lead to his pact with the Pah-Wraiths. Dukat released a Pah-Wraith into the wormhole with the intent to destroy the Bajoran people. In the process, he killed my favorite character.:( (We still miss you Jadzia Dax)

Dukat was a great villain. He could surprise the viewer. Unlike most Sci-Fi characters, it was hard to judge initially whether he was truly evil or good. When we made a judgement leaning one way, he'd surprise you and make you question your previous judgement.

I wouldn't say Dukat quite so much--he struck me as a man who had done terrible things, rather than a terrible man. After he was broken at Terak Nor, he became more of a tragic shell of a man, a ghost just waiting to be used by someone else.

The real villians were the Founders, especially the Changeling in charge of the Dominion in the Alpha Quadrant. Where Dukat was conflicted, these were cold as ice and utterly merciless. I still remember my first taste of the Dominion even better than I remember the end of The Best of Both Worlds Pt. I, and that was a long summer, when the Dominion absolutely tore the Odyssey apart. The Founders didn't disappoint after that, engineering the takeover of the Cardassian Union, setting Romulans, Klingons, and Feds against each other, and all the time manipulating behind the scenes for total control. Even at the end, when the Federation had finally driven them to the last, the Dominion still held for no other reason than to systematically murder every Cardassian on Cardassia and to make the cost of victory so high that the Gamma Quadrant would always be safe. The worst thing for me, however, was the little touches, like when a Changeling masqueraded as Nerys only to fool Odo into thinking that his love died in front of his eyes, then reforming to inform him coldly that she would never love him in return. Say what you want, but that's just sadistic.

*is officially gobsmacked* :eek:

Bah! If you're going to cite Jesus as a villian, you also have to cite him as an action hero extraordinaire:

http://www.odessafilmworks.com/images/popups/jcvh_lg.jpg

The Witches of Karres. Not precisely "villains," but they wreaked enough havoc that they should qualify.

Bah! If you're going to cite Jesus as a villian, you also have to cite him as an action hero extraordinaire:

http://www.odessafilmworks.com/images/popups/jcvh_lg.jpg

<pointless quibble>Whoever made that movie poster clearly has never read said "First Testament." Jesus was quite fond of borrowing.</pointless quibble>

The Witches of Karres. Not precisely "villains," but they wreaked enough havoc that they should qualify.



<pointless quibble>Whoever made that movie poster clearly has never read said "First Testament." Jesus was quite fond of borrowing.</pointless quibble>

[Lex Luthor]You're missing the big picture!![/Lex Luthor]

Probably the Mooninites.

Oh yah?

Well...

I hope you can see this, becuase Im doing it as hard, as I possibly can.....

Oh yah?

Well...

I hope you can see this, becuase Im doing it as hard, as I possibly can.....
:eek:
As long as your next post isn't about cleaning your keyboard... :D