NationStates Jolt Archive

Part One (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html)
Part Two (http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,5500,987933,00.html)

So a friend of mine just sent me the links to these articles. This is the example of the worst parenting I've ever seen. You can't help but to feel sorry for the teens who are sent to these camps. How would you have liked it when you were a teen to have been kidnapped at your parents request and sent to one of these places?

The first thing I thought of when I read about how the "treatment" worked was Miniluv in Nineteen Eighty-Four. Read for yourself and see.

:eek:

You could set people straight just by having them read the article and threatening to send them there. The resemblance to jail is amazing, except prisoners get more rights than the kids sent there, not to mention more free time and less oversight.

This issue has be addressed several times before in General, and it never loses its "punch".

And aye, 'tis vile...

:eek:

You could set people straight just by having them read the article and threatening to send them there. The resemblance to jail is amazing, except prisoners get more rights than the kids sent there, not to mention more free time and less oversight.
Man, I've been to jail (May 2006 in Grant County, Washington). Jail kicks ass compared to how this place sounds. At least in jail we had cable TV and could talk to each other. This place… It just sounds terrible.

This should be illegal. Utterly inexcusable.

This should be illegal. Utterly inexcusable.
I absolutely agree. This and most other "behavior modification" techniques. Where I work(Wendy's if you must know) we have satallite radio piped in. Occasionally a commercial will run for one type of behavior modification for children or another. I did some research, and it seems all of these are merely one form or another of torture for children. Quite frankly, it is the parent's fault for not raising their children properly in the first place. If certain medical research on items such as the artificial dyes and other chemicles in most junk food these days is true(they can affect the brain and alter personality to be somewhat like one with ADD or ADHD) then they should try not raising their kids on that stuff. 'Course, that's just common sense: you want your kids to be healthy.

I just can't stand it whenever I see abuse of children. It sickens me to the core.

Quite frankly, it is the parent's fault for not raising their children properly in the first place.

Any parent who would seriously consider sending their children to this place is not the kind of parent who would be "raising their children properly."

And who is to say that these kids in fact do have problems? Why should it be assumed that because the parents say so, it is so?

I just can't stand it whenever I see abuse of children. It sickens me to the core.

It is vile. And the supposedly "benevolent" attitude - "we're only helping them" - makes it far worse.

That last scene in 1984 keeps on running through my head....

Dude, that place seems like a total mind-fuck. There'd be hell to pay if my parents even considered sending me some place like this. How is this shit even legal?

I'd feel sorry for my "kidnappers". I would just kick the ever loving shit out of them. If they sent ex-NFL players to get me, and I obviously couldn't take them, then I would do precisely what captured Americans in WWII did (no not cry damnit!!)

Work with fellows to try and escape at all costs.

I'd feel sorry for my "kidnappers". I would just kick the ever loving shit out of them. If they sent ex-NFL players to get me, and I obviously couldn't take them, then I would do precisely what captured Americans in WWII did (no not cry damnit!!)

Work with fellows to try and escape at all costs.

After reading it, I am so glad my parents considered me well-disciplined and respectful at all times. Man, I would hate to go there....

Makes me glad that I'm not quite bad enough for that.

Definitely the Hot Zone. I dont think i should have read it at 10. Doesnt bother me now. just when i first read it.

Any parent who would seriously consider sending their children to this place is not the kind of parent who would be "raising their children properly."

And who is to say that these kids in fact do have problems? Why should it be assumed that because the parents say so, it is so?



It is vile. And the supposedly "benevolent" attitude - "we're only helping them" - makes it far worse.

That last scene in 1984 keeps on running through my head....

2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5! 2+2=5!

I love big brother.

(Yes, I was thinking the same thing)

Commit no thoughtcrimes, young citizens!

And who is to say that these kids in fact do have problems? Why should it be assumed that because the parents say so, it is so?

i know of at least one case where it was largely political differences between parents and kid that led them to have the kid abducted and held at one of these places

i know of at least one case where it was largely political differences between parents and kid that led them to have the kid abducted and held at one of these places

That's despicable. Employ a legal kidnapping ring that brainwashes its victims through physical and psychological torture - all to make your child adopt your political line.

There's no way in fucking hell that places like this can be justified. The place should be closed and the people who run it punished.

I am honestly shocked beyond any kind of feeling... I'm speechless.

It sounds like a miserable place, but I've heard of some of these "camps" that are actually quite successful. There was one a while back that forced troubled teens to go on a 3 month "vacation" where they basically lived entirely off the land, learning to make fire, fish, and work together. It had a startling success rate for turning around kids whose lives looked like they would end up in prison. The "kidnapping" thing still happened though.

i know of at least one case where it was largely political differences between parents and kid that led them to have the kid abducted and held at one of these places
Damn those Democratic parents!

It sounds like a miserable place, but I've heard of some of these "camps" that are actually quite successful. There was one a while back that forced troubled teens to go on a 3 month "vacation" where they basically lived entirely off the land, learning to make fire, fish, and work together. It had a startling success rate for turning around kids whose lives looked like they would end up in prison. The "kidnapping" thing still happened though.

3 months is one thing... it's bad enough if the kid is abducted and forced to undergo treatment they don't agree with.
But if I understand it correctly, the place described in the article gets to keep you as long as they want.
If a kids life looks like it'll end up in prison (and no, it's not exclusively the parents' fault, I know of a few cases in my own family where the parents did the best they could but were in the end just helpless bystanders to their kid's life) that's bad. But it's no justification for taking away all human rights from you child, it's no excuse for torturing it and for brainwashing it.
I understand that this place falls outside American jurisdiction, as it is convenitently situated in Jamaica. However, the abductions do take place in the US, and I think the parents ought to be prosecuted for abduction, child abuse and violation of human rights.

Yes, we've already gone over plans to storm the camp with AKs, liberate the kidnapped children and brutally execute the criminals.

Man, I've been to jail (May 2006 in Grant County, Washington). Jail kicks ass compared to how this place sounds. At least in jail we had cable TV and could talk to each other. This place… It just sounds terrible.
Hey, me too. Mercer County, NJ workhouse and Burlington county minimum security facility in Pemberton, NJ.

Sounds like Guantanamo Bay to me.

"The bottom line is, what's the end result you want? Getting there may be ugly, but at least with us you're going to get there" (Neo-Hitler fascist who runs this place)

*Smacks 6 year old girl in the face with a tire iron*

What can I say about this place that hasn't already been said. What I can say, is that the parents who do this kind of thing are, like the owner, Neo-Hitler fascists.

Anyone want to assemble a list of illegal activities related to the parents and Tranquelity, I'll start:

*Abduction
*Detainment of someone against their will, in the form of punishment, without any trial, etc....

Where the fuck are Amnesty International when you need them?

That's just terrible. What shitty parents, to be too lazy and uncaring to dicipline your kid. They're just as bad as the place itself. If I had to go there, my parents would have hell to pay.

That's just terrible. What shitty parents, to be too lazy and uncaring to dicipline your kid. They're just as bad as the place itself. If I had to go there, my parents would have hell to pay.

No, by the time you got out you'd realise that you deserved to be sent there and that your parents had saved your life by sending you. People go in rebels, they come out doubleplusgood duckquackers.

this makes me so sick! i can beileve that a parent would or could send their child to such a place.

as an expierment i think it could be inetersting to see how quicky i could get through and then go back through and see how long it would be befor they gave up...


this is a human rights violation its sick

Where the fuck are Amnesty International when you need them?
Amnesty is never around when it concerns first world countries.

Part One (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html)
Part Two (http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,5500,987933,00.html)

this makes me sick, how can these places be legal? and what kind of fucked up mind must parents have to think it would be good for their kids? sort of reminds me of the handmaids tale aswell.

i wonder how long it would be possible to remain aloof to it and just pretend the conditioning was working so you can get released early and then wreak bloody revenge on the people who sent you there.

Amnesty is never around when it concerns first world countries.

But the re-education camp is based in Jamaica, who aren't first world.

Where the fuck are Amnesty International when you need them?

covering the crimes and abuses of states rather than private entities, usually.

But the re-education camp is based in Jamaica, who aren't first world.
But they don't do something to the Jamacians.

Particulary i do not feel scared, but i do feel very sad about how those kids were treated, it makes me more sick that their parents would do such a thing, i can not even think of a swaer word that describes how i feel, i would curse every single swear word ever known to mankind to those parents.

Were I to ever get sent there, they would get name, rank, and serial number from me. Nothing more. These children are treated like POWs (or, rather, mistreated) and it is appalling that the Jamaican government has not been called to task for this by international watch groups.

Not to try to show bravado or anything and being extremely serious, even I, as a relatively non-violent person, would eagerly join an armed group to attack that camp and liberate those prisoners. You may notice the choice of words- that is what I believe this travesty stands for.

Part One (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html)
Part Two (http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,5500,987933,00.html)

So a friend of mine just sent me the links to these articles. This is the example of the worst parenting I've ever seen. You can't help but to feel sorry for the teens who are sent to these camps. How would you have liked it when you were a teen to have been kidnapped at your parents request and sent to one of these places?

The first thing I thought of when I read about how the "treatment" worked was Miniluv in Nineteen Eighty-Four. Read for yourself and see.

Wow. That's insane. I wonder if they've ever had to cover up a suicide or two in that shithole.

the question abbout the suiside is a good one

you all should google this place and take a look at the web site

Well this has been brought up before. Last time I wrote an email regarding it to the Prime Minister of Jamaica, through the Cabinet Office page.

I'd recommend you do the same, but unfortunately the site I used appears to be down.

Here's the old thread - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477480

and the post with my message and the (currently unworking) link - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10755406&postcount=194

the question abbout the suiside is a good one

you all should google this place and take a look at the web site

I don't think you'd have enough unmonitored time to commit suicide

I don't think you'd have enough unmonitored time to commit suicide
sadly you are probly right:(
i guess they cant force you to eat..you would lose "points" but if you want to die you arnt going to care....just make suer you have a living will stateing that you sont want any kind of medical intervention

sadly you are probly right:(
i guess they cant force you to eat..you would lose "points" but if you want to die you arnt going to care....just make suer you have a living will stateing that you sont want any kind of medical intervention

They could force feed and probably would if you were about die of starvation, they wouldn't want a kids death to get out but if you stayed alive you'd probably be too busy thinking those happy happy thoughts to tell anyone.

I'm going to use this news article as a scary bedtime story for my nephew just to make sure he stays in line. I'll probably skip the part where it costs 40k and is in Jamaica.

They could force feed and probably would if you were about die of starvation, they wouldn't want a kids death to get out but if you stayed alive you'd probably be too busy thinking those happy happy thoughts to tell anyone.

I'm going to use this news article as a scary bedtime story for my nephew just to make sure he stays in line. I'll probably skip the part where it costs 40k and is in Jamaica.
i say we get a bunch of kids taht are perfetly behaved and send them there and i bet they eather take over( that would be their goal) or turning to raging

this makes me sick, how can these places be legal? and what kind of fucked up mind must parents have to think it would be good for their kids? sort of reminds me of the handmaids tale aswell.
The places aren't legal. That's why they're off-shore.

Well this has been brought up before. Last time I wrote an email regarding it to the Prime Minister of Jamaica, through the Cabinet Office page.

I'd recommend you do the same, but unfortunately the site I used appears to be down.

Here's the old thread - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=477480

and the post with my message and the (currently unworking) link - http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10755406&postcount=194
It's been brought up in even older threads. There was one in late '04 or early '05, I think.

But the re-education camp is based in Jamaica, who aren't first world.

But this facility should be illegal, according to the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, which Jamaica did sign. Tranquility Bay is American owned, though. I don't know if that makes it legal or not... I'm assuming it does, since the "behavior-modification centre" still exists.

Where the fuck are Amnesty International when you need them?

They're more concerned about child soldiers in Liberia and Rwanda than they are about some rich tart who isn't willing to go along with Mum and Dad's idea of life.

They're more concerned about child soldiers in Liberia and Rwanda than they are about some rich tart who isn't willing to go along with Mum and Dad's idea of life.
I wish I could say I was surprised by you posting something this sickening. I really, really wish I could.

I wish I could say I was surprised by you posting something this sickening. I really, really wish I could.
It's only sickening because it's true and you know it.

For those of you with Google Earth, the facility is located at 17deg 52' 13.48N and 77deg 45'04.20 W

I'm certain this is it because of the building outside of the fence and the wierd little thing in the pool.

Pic of building and pool in question (http://www.tranquilitybay.org/program.php?id=1)

They're more concerned about child soldiers in Liberia and Rwanda than they are about some rich tart who isn't willing to go along with Mum and Dad's idea of life.
not all of these kids are rich and the ones that are turned out the way that they did because mommy and daddy were to busy fucking and being rich to be parents and teach there kids.

It's only sickening because it's true and you know it.
No, it's sickening because it continues to display your callous disregard for humanity.

No, it's sickening because it continues to display your callous disregard for humanity.
Has nothing to do with my "regard" for humanity, and everything to do with an honest appraisal of supposedly "humanitarian" organizations.

Organizations that are not supposed to have an "agenda".

But who most certainly do.

After all, Amnesty's money could probably not be spent on a Paris Hilton-in-rebellion - their benefactors would stop supporting them. But some poor misguided child soldiers - well, that's gravy there!

The places aren't legal. That's why they're off-shore.

Unfortunately these places are legal in the US. In fact, there are a number of similar places all over the US. They are all a part of the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs. Here's the official site of the WWASP. http://www.wwasp.com/

The reason such "programs" are allowed in the US is because the States never signed the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.

My sister went to that place.

She came back happier and kinder than ever.

:eek: That is scary. In my story I based some of the behavior camps off of it, but they are MUCH nicer that Tranquility Bay. :eek: Why hasn't somebody pointed it out yet? The parents of those kids should be arrested for kidnap and child abuse, the staff should be arrested for abuse, Jay Kay should be jailed for life sharing a cell with a violent perv, and those kids should get serious help.

And to whom it may concern, there was a suicide there. Her name was Valerie and yes, it was covered up- her stuff was given away to other girls.

:eek: That is scary. In my story I based some of the behavior camps off of it, but they are MUCH nicer that Tranquility Bay. :eek: Why hasn't somebody pointed it out yet? The parents of those kids should be arrested for kidnap and child abuse, the staff should be arrested for abuse, Jay Kay should be jailed for life sharing a cell with a violent perv, and those kids should get serious help.

And to whom it may concern, there was a suicide there. Her name was Valerie and yes, it was covered up- her stuff was given away to other girls.

How did they cover it up from the parents?

Fucking A. If I ended up in one of those places I'd probably pull a V for Vendetta and blow some shit up. And then go home and take my revenge on whoever put me there.

Unfortunately these places are legal in the US. In fact, there are a number of similar places all over the US. They are all a part of the World Wide Association of Specialty Programs. Here's the official site of the WWASP. http://www.wwasp.com/

The reason such "programs" are allowed in the US is because the States never signed the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child.


Looked up one of the places:

Carolina Springs Academy is located one mile north of the town of Due West, SC, home of Erskine College in Abbeville County and twelve miles from the historic Abbeville, South Carolina. A tour of the Burt-Stark Mansion near downtown Abbeville reveals a portion of the rich historical importance of this small town. Tour guides share that the discussion leading to the decision made by Southern leaders to end the War Between the States was made in the parlor of the old mansion.

The CSA physical facilities are situated on a beautiful campus that retains the quiet farmland atmosphere of an earlier era. Locals enjoy many outdoor sports including hunting numerous whitetail deer, wild turkeys, and rabbits commonly used to make Southern "Hash." Water sports abound in the numerous lakes and ponds of the region. Golf and tennis are popular sports among the many country clubs found within a one-half hour drive of the school.


Hmm... probably not the "hash" that some might expect...

Wow...that sounds like 1984 concentrated on a single island.

There was a segment on CNN about something like this, although compared to 'Tranquility' the CNN one was heaven. At least they had an arcade and such, and (apparently) decent food.
The only downside was that if the staff didnt like what you were doing, they tazered you.

To be honest, if I was sent to that Tranquility place (thank God Im 18 now >_>) I would most likely spend most of my time in "OP", and the rest of the time being 'restrained'. I dont get on well with people who tell me what to think.

The only downside was that if the staff didnt like what you were doing, they tazered you.
Hey, tasering isn't half as bad as having your balls kicked.

I can honestly say if I got sent there I would give up free thought on the first day and when I returned home probably spend the rest of my days huddled in a dark corner over what happened to me.

I doubt they even run these kind of camps in totalitarian states like North Korea (even if they could afford it)

and I can't help but imagine someone I know being there every time I think about it only without the human part like a lump on flesh with eyes

Hey, tasering isn't half as bad as having your balls kicked.
Unless they tazer you IN the balls.

However, I did get my laughs for the day when the CNN reporter tazered herself.

Perhaps it's time we ask politicans why they tolerate these places.

Perhaps it's time we ask politicans why they tolerate these places.
Too busy addressing 'local issues', IE: Pandering to the local idiots who dont want no stinkin' edjumicatory polic-i.

Looked up one of the places:



Hmm... probably not the "hash" that some might expect...

Despite it's friendly, well to do appearance, it doesn't go over too well with the people actually staying there.http://www.helpyourteens.com/true_story.html

CSA isn't the only "behavior modification center" that promises a good time. Tranquility Bay also mentions activities and site seeing at fun places such as, "Black River Safari" "Cashoo Ostrich Park" and more.

Gee... didn't Oprah, Rafael and other Talk show hosts also sponsor other such "training camps" where troubled teens are taken, most not voluntarily, to some Military style boot camp...


don't remember hearing much flack about that... infact the audences were cheering the drill instructors on.

the real question is... did/does it work.

and why did the parents let their kids get so far gone that they had/have to send them to such a place.

Gee... didn't Oprah, Rafael and other Talk show hosts also sponsor other such "training camps" where troubled teens are taken, most not voluntarily, to some Military style boot camp...


don't remember hearing much flack about that... infact the audences were cheering the drill instructors on.

the real question is... did/does it work.

and why did the parents let their kids get so far gone that they had/have to send them to such a place.
Well, the boot camp is just that. It's a boot camp. This is hardcore psychological torture. They're tortured, mocked, denied any sort of trust of their fellow (what do I call them? Inmates?), until they "realize" the only thing they can trust or love is the very program that's tortured them. And I WISH, oh God, how I wish, it wasn't so exactly like the Ministry of Love from Nineteen Eighty-Four, but it is! I want to know WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE? Friends, Americans, countrymen, lend me your eyes. I want you to write/email your senators, your representative, the President, your state legislator(s), and your governor and tell them this is happening. Canadians, Brits, write your MPs. For all three countries, write the ambassador from Jamaica and your ambassador to Jamaica. I want the governments of the nations that are allowing this shit to take place to know that we're disgusted! I want to turn on the TV tomorrow and be hearing about this constantly! Tell everyone you know to do the same thing! THIS ENDS NOW.

I wonder what it would take to consider that kind of treatment child abuse?

That is simply disgusting!

My sister went to that place.

She came back happier and kinder than ever.



Please tell me you're joking.

Please tell me you're joking.
You caught me.

You caught me.


Please. Ruffy posting something serious? Like that's gonna happen. :D

Part One (http://observer.guardian.co.uk/magazine/story/0,11913,987172,00.html)
Part Two (http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,5500,987933,00.html)

So a friend of mine just sent me the links to these articles. This is the example of the worst parenting I've ever seen. You can't help but to feel sorry for the teens who are sent to these camps. How would you have liked it when you were a teen to have been kidnapped at your parents request and sent to one of these places?

The first thing I thought of when I read about how the "treatment" worked was Miniluv in Nineteen Eighty-Four. Read for yourself and see.
This is a crime against human rights. Incarcerating people against their will is a crime, and assaulting them is a crime. These parents are doing this, just outsourcing it to a foreign company. The US Government needs to contact the Jamaican government to stop this.

Huh, I read the original article in paper format when it came out. It had pictures, and the looks in the kids eyes were... weird. Really weird.

Just as sick now as it was then.

PLEASE tell me something is being done to get this place shut down.

I am so scared right now.

I know this has been said before, it is almost exactly like 1984 by George Orwell. I haven't seen anything like this except in James Bond. And this is just cruel, extremely sadistic. And I am in the age rqange to be accepted there. What if it happened? (Shudders) I mean, nobody can get complete, unswerving loyalty from children. It's all about compromise.

"Out of the mouths of babes come wisdom"

I like the fact that while everyone is quick to blame the facility... no one comments on the parents that sign their kids over to them.

sent for sleeping around?
a straight A student is sent there for having the wrong friends?
another for wearing rebellious clothes?

the problem is not the facility, which can be useful for those problem children that end up in court or even kicked out of Military academies, but the parents who seem to use this as an exscuse to send kids that could've been turned around by a simple, straight-forward conversation.

I like the fact that while everyone is quick to blame the facility... no one comments on the parents that sign their kids over to them.

sent for sleeping around?
a straight A student is sent there for having the wrong friends?
another for wearing rebellious clothes?

the problem is not the facility, which can be useful for those problem children that end up in court or even kicked out of Military academies, but the parents who seem to use this as an exscuse to send kids that could've been turned around by a simple, straight-forward conversation.

The eegeits...

I totally agree btw.

I like the fact that while everyone is quick to blame the facility... no one comments on the parents that sign their kids over to them.

sent for sleeping around?
a straight A student is sent there for having the wrong friends?
another for wearing rebellious clothes?

the problem is not the facility, which can be useful for those problem children that end up in court or even kicked out of Military academies, but the parents who seem to use this as an exscuse to send kids that could've been turned around by a simple, straight-forward conversation.


I never thought I'd say this, but you're right. Is anyone else thinking that the appropriate way to punish parents who would do this, particularly the ones who do it for the examples JuNii cited is to stick them in a place like that? They are proof that some people do not deserve to be parents.

I never thought I'd say this, but you're right. Is anyone else thinking that the oppropriate way to punish parents who would do this, particularly the ones who do it for the examples JuNii cited is to stick them in a placelike that? They are proof that some people do not deserve to be parents.
They could open an island 're-education camp' for parents and force THEM to attend it if they send one of their kids to a place like that.

But it needs to be EXACTLY like Tranquility Bay. Give them the full treatment.

But it needs to be EXACTLY like Tranquility Bay. Give them the full treatment.
*volinteers to open said compund*
:headbang:

*volinteers to open said compund*
:headbang:
but who to staff it? :confused:

but who to staff it? :confused:
rabid dogs and "angry" teenagers:p

Yes, we've already gone over plans to storm the camp with AKs, liberate the kidnapped children and brutally execute the criminals.
I hope to God you're being serious. There is no one who deserves death more than the monsters who run, support, fund, and administrate this complex. No ammount of pain is sufficient punishment to ballance their crimes against humanity.
They could open an island 're-education camp' for parents and force THEM to attend it if they send one of their kids to a place like that.
Two wrongs don't make a right. The existence of places like this is, and I do not exadurate, the single worst mark against humanity's right to exist that has ever been made. This sort of behavior is never acceptable, even in retribution for the same.

The 1984 refferences are chilling. The dance sounds so much like the two-minute-hate, and the repressing of the sex instinct is lifted directly out of Orwell's nightmare book. Constant survalence and turning people who are suffering together against one another is exactly what was done to Winston.

I intend to die before submitting to a place like that, and to take as many of my captors down with me as possible. If I killed someone, they'd have to take me out of that place, and put me in an actual prison. A far better outcome. Prison would be a good choice of places to escape to.

These parents are monsters beyond anything words can describe, and need to face the same punishments as those who actually run this obscene mockery of humanity.

This is beyond conventional definitions of the word evil, and it's being done "for their own good".

I feel like throwing up.

but who to staff it? :confused:
*grins*

*grins*
aaaaaaand we got one volunteer right here for staff! :D

I'm betting the place is a run-down shithole and that physical and sexual abuse are common.

You'd have to be a total scum bag to agree to have your kid hijacked and subjected to this place.

Hell-I'm not even impressed with the resorts on Jamaica, let alone this psuedo prison bullshit boot camp.

"Lindsay Cohen is nearly 19. A straight-A high-school graduate, she was heading for Harvard until an unsuitable choice of boyfriend had her sent here at the age of 17. The day she turned 18, Tranquility would be obliged to hand over $50 and the return half of her air ticket if she wanted to leave."

Unsuitable choice of boyfriend:confused: WTF! Unless the pair of them were actively doing every drug known to man while having sex with various barnyard animals in a public place while also robbing a bank and shooting police officers...

Sweet mother of god that place sounds horrible. The bit about forcing some of them to lie on their face on the floor in a bare room under guard supervision is paramount to torture, and the record is 18 months!

The price tag of 25,000$ to 40,000$ a year also makes me wonder what the hell is going on in this place. "Lets find some Rich kids with attitude problems and torture them, yay!" I mean seriously.

not surprised at all to read some of this:

http://www.isaccorp.org/tranquilitybay.html

Also striking is the assumption parents make of entitlement to their child's affection, as though this is a legal right.

Demented.

"Points and privileges are awarded to students who tell on each other. If you don't tell on someone for breaking a rule and get found out, you lose points. 'There is zero trust,' Scott explains. 'You can't trust anyone. It's not us against them. It's everyone against you.' Scott remembers a new boy being caught with incriminating used tissues; masturbation is strictly forbidden. 'And they got him up in front of everyone right after dinner, and the upper-level kids just ripped into him, this little 13-year-old kid. It was kind of the entertainment for the night. That's what I mean about breaking kids.'"

Ugh. That makes me sick.

These people need to read this: http://www.unicef.org/crc/

Of course, the US is not a signatory (the only other nation in the world not to be is Somalia, and that's because Somalia cannot sign, as it has no recognised government). Since children's rights are bad. Since children are nothing more than property.

And its also hardly surprising that they're paying kickbacks to the Republican Party. The slogan "No Child Left Behind" suddenly took on a whole new tone.

And its also hardly surprising that they're paying kickbacks to the Republican Party. The slogan "No Child Left Behind" suddenly took on a whole new tone.
They would pay off whoever is in power to stay legal. This coming from a Democrat.

I wonder what the parent seminars say if they are content with ignoring cries of help from their distanced children.

Not worth 40k, in my opinion. A bus ticket and a $20 pinned to your shirt works better, once you fly them to Monserrat and have them 'kidnapped'. No different.

They would pay off whoever is in power to stay legal. This coming from a Democrat.

Yeah, I probably should have been clearer on that. Thanks for calling me on it before someone more belligerent did. But even so, any organisation that has to pay bribes to keep the government off their backs should be shut down as quickly as possible.

Yeah, I probably should have been clearer on that. Thanks for calling me on it before someone more belligerent did. But even so, any organisation that has to pay bribes to keep the government off their backs should be shut down as quickly as possible.
It was like throwing up a target, but I didnt think you meant it. :)

How much money do they have to pay off two, even three governments?

It was like throwing up a target, but I didnt think you meant it. :)

How much money do they have to pay off two, even three governments?
considering it's in another country, it probably has to obey their laws... hence one reason why it's not on US Soil.

and that one of the conditions is that the 'company' has 49% guardianship of that child...

it may not be nice, but it may skate the line on being 'legal.'

These people need to read this: http://www.unicef.org/crc/

Of course, the US is not a signatory (the only other nation in the world not to be is Somalia, and that's because Somalia cannot sign, as it has no recognised government). Since children's rights are bad. Since children are nothing more than property.

If only this camp was located somewhere in the carribean. Possibly in a nation that was a signatory. Then international law would stop this.

If only this camp was located somewhere in the carribean. Possibly in a nation that was a signatory. Then international law would stop this.

It would stop this before they got there. Jamaican corruption is infamous.

PLEASE tell me something is being done to get this place shut down.
No. Nothing is being done to stop it. That's why I'm telling people to write their governments instead of just posting about how terrible and Orwellian it is on some forum.

I'm betting the place is a run-down shithole and that physical and sexual abuse are common.

You'd have to be a total scum bag to agree to have your kid hijacked and subjected to this place.

Hell-I'm not even impressed with the resorts on Jamaica, let alone this psuedo prison bullshit boot camp.
The abuse here is something far worse than physical and sexual abuse. It's deliberate brainwashing. Psychological torture directed toward tearing appart someone's mind and rebuilding it into a form the authorities running the place find pleasing.

Don't think I'm diminishing other forms of abuse, but this is on a whole other level. The actual goals of this program are more destructive than anything a normal abuser could ever hope to inflict.
No. Nothing is being done to stop it. That's why I'm telling people to write their governments instead of just posting about how terrible and Orwellian it is on some forum.
You're right of course. Now to try to find the words to express my outrage at this for the letter.