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Pay no attention to my name, it's just a way to have more power in my region.

I was watching Glenn Beck the other day, friday specifically, and he was talking about current problems with Iran. I hated the iranian regime already, however i was completely infuriated when i heard that recently the government put a 16 year old girl to death. The fact that they kill a teen girl is bad enough, but then we find out, she was mentally retarted. That is sickening. What was her crime you may ask, she could not say no to a man. Thats right people, the sick Iranians killed a retarted girl because she was raped. Can you think of anything more morally discusting?

Pay no attention to my name, it's just a way to have more power in my region.

I was watching Glenn Beck the other day, friday specifically, and he was talking about current problems with Iran. I hated the iranian regime already, however i was completely infuriated when i heard that recently the government put a 16 year old girl to death. The fact that they kill a teen girl is bad enough, but then we find out, she was mentally retarted. That is sickening. What was her crime you may ask, she could not say no to a man. Thats right people, the sick Iranians killed a retarted girl because she was raped. Can you think of anything more morally discusting?

The US kills mental patients and children too. Pull your head out of your goatse-hole.

The US kills mental patients and children too. Pull your head out of your goatse-hole.


tell me, which mental patient did they kill, and since when were 18 year olds children? And they killed RETARTED GIRL WHO WAS RAPED, they HUNG HER IN PUBLIC FOR BEING RAPED!

Pay no attention to my name, it's just a way to have more power in my region.

I was watching Glenn Beck the other day, friday specifically, and he was talking about current problems with Iran. I hated the iranian regime already, however i was completely infuriated when i heard that recently the government put a 16 year old girl to death. The fact that they kill a teen girl is bad enough, but then we find out, she was mentally retarted. That is sickening. What was her crime you may ask, she could not say no to a man. Thats right people, the sick Iranians killed a retarted girl because she was raped. Can you think of anything more morally discusting?

Sure I can. But I don't want to be banned from the thread ;)


Anyway, on a more serious note, it is disgusting. But thats what happens when you have a country entirely ruled by Religious fundamentalists. It would be the same thing in say, the United States if Christian Fundamentalists (god forbid) took power, which I assure you, there are those who would like to see this occur.

The United States is one of the few nations that refuses to sign the conventions on the rights of the child specifically because they do kill people under the age of 16.

The US kills mental patients and children too. Pull your head out of your goatse-hole.

Uh....not in my United States they sure as hell don't. Not without good reason too atleast.

The US kills mental patients and children too.

No we do not.

Pull your head out of your goatse-hole.

This does not help debates.

The United States is one of the few nations that refuses to sign the conventions on the rights of the child specifically because they do kill people under the age of 16.


Cite your source. I'm calling BS.

No we do not.



This does not help debates.

Yes, you do.

No, we don*'*t.

Yes, you do.

No, we don*'*t.


I'll say it again. Prove it. Cite your sources.

The United States is one of the few nations that refuses to sign the conventions on the rights of the child specifically because they do kill people under the age of 16.

No we do not.

No we do not.

Absolutely we do not. In the United States it is illegal to punish anyone under EIGHTEEN with the death penalty.


So cite your sources claiming we do. They are false, mind you, but try and convince me otherwise.

Uh....not in my United States they sure as hell don't. Not without good reason too atleast.

Well I guess some would say that Texas isn't really part of the US...

The United States is one of the few nations that refuses to sign the conventions on the rights of the child specifically because they do kill people under the age of 16.


who the hell are you, no they dont. Just because they didnt sign a paper does not mean they do or have. you're obviously another one of those shits who would hate america for curing aids and paying off the the world's debt. UGH why did i get one of these so early in the thread?

Yes, you do.

No, we don*'*t.

Cite your source and it better not be wikipedia for it debunks your argument.

Absolutely we do not. In the United States it is illegal to punish anyone under EIGHTEEN with the death penalty.

To be fair, I do not think he realizes that the US Supreme Court put a stop to it last year.

Well I guess some would say that Texas isn't really part of the US...


No...noone would say that. Texas is part of the US, just as much as any other state. If Texas claimed it wasn't, then that would be illegal, and the Texan cabinet would be arrested for treason.


All states in the Union are equally members of the United States, and withdrawl is illegal, under the constitution.

To be fair, I do not think he realizes that the US Supreme Court put a stop to it last year.


Possibly. I was about to post that he had a case in that it used to be, until recently, legal for a juvenille to be execute, as long as they were 16 or older, but you beat me to it ;)

Possibly. I was about to post that he had a case in that it used to be, until recently, legal for a juvenille to be execute, as long as they were 16 or older, but you beat me to it ;)

When in a debate, present your facts. :D

Possibly. I was about to post that he had a case in that it used to be, until recently, legal for a juvenille to be execute, as long as they were 16 or older, but you beat me to it ;)


great minds think alike, i was just about to say the...same thing.

When in a debate, present your facts. :D

Usually helps! I was looking through my constitution and looking up minimum death penalty age when you posted.

As far as I can tell, the debate was people who commited the crimes while under eighteen, but were to be executed while eighteen or older.

And that was overturned by the supreme court.

http://www.abanet.org/crimjust/juvjus/juvcases.html

you're obviously another one of those shits who would hate america

now now lets not resort to name calling you name caller :p

for curing aids and paying off the the world's debt

EH?!

yeah its terrible when this sort of justice is applied but alas its the way the world works I’m sure one day the girl will be acquitted of this “crime” lets just hope its soon before more innocents must be sacrificed (though not if its against the Iranian peoples wishes after all its here country and I’m not here to judge)

As far as I can tell, the debate was people who commited the crimes while under eighteen, but were to be executed while eighteen or older.

And that was overturned by the supreme court.

http://www.abanet.org/crimjust/juvjus/juvcases.html



Yeah, wasn't that Roper versus Simmons or something like that....

Usually helps! I was looking through my constitution and looking up minimum death penalty age when you posted.

By Supreme Court ruling, a minor (even if tried as an adult) cannot get the death penalty. I know DAs who have gone after minors who were indeed guilty of murder and was granted the right to try them as adults and thus made them eligible for the Death Penalty.

Yeah, wasn't that Roper versus Simmons or something like that....


Yay! I was right! :D

who the hell are you, no they dont. Just because they didnt sign a paper does not mean they do or have. you're obviously another one of those shits who would hate america for curing aids and paying off the the world's debt. UGH why did i get one of these so early in the thread?
When did we cure aids?

No...noone would say that. Texas is part of the US, just as much as any other state. If Texas claimed it wasn't, then that would be illegal, and the Texan cabinet would be arrested for treason.


All states in the Union are equally members of the United States, and withdrawl is illegal, under the constitution.

I wasn't being literal. Texas simply has a very different culture than the rest of the country. Executing people is like a national sport there. Who cares if the individual understands what he/she did or not? Hang 'em high...

Yeah, wasn't that Roper versus Simmons or something like that....

Indeed it was.

It upheld Thompson vs. Oklahoma from 1988

Let us not forget Atkins vs Virginia that made it illegal to execute mentally retarded individuals. That was handed down in 2002.

While the U.S. doesn't execute minors, George Bush did order the execution of a mentally retarded man back in 1999. Remember? It was the guy who saved his baked potato (which was his last meal) so he could eat it later. He literally had no idea of what was going on.

When did we cure aids?


we havent i was just saying there are people out there who would hate america even if we did cure aids and pay off the world's debt. It was just an example, to show that people will hate america no matter what, and for no apparent reason.

Here it is, go nuts: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/5217424.stm

Here's the US record: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=27&did=203

I wasn't being literal. Texas simply has a very different culture than the rest of the country. Executing people is like a national sport there. Who cares if the individual understands what he/she did or not? Hang 'em high...


hell if you think texas is bad take a trip to a utah prison, they still hang people out there. texas doesnt even do that.

we havent i was just saying there are people out there who would hate america even if we did cure aids and pay off the world's debt. It was just an example, to show that people will hate america no matter what, and for no apparent reason.

Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment...

What would you think of Iran if they cured AIDS and paid off the world's debt?

While the U.S. doesn't execute minors, George Bush did order the execution of a mentally retarded man back in 1999. Remember? It was the guy who saved his baked potato (which was his last meal) so he could eat it later. He literally had no idea of what was going on.

I remember that. I almost cried, and I never cry.

we havent i was just saying there are people out there who would hate america even if we did cure aids and pay off the world's debt. It was just an example, to show that people will hate america no matter what, and for no apparent reason.
OH. I don't hate America but I'm thinking of leaving because I don't like the management. It depends on how the midterm elections and the presidential elections turn out.

Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment...

What would you think of Iran if they cured AIDS and paid off the world's debt?

Not much different than I think of them now. I have no problem with Iran, though I wish the Theocratic government would be overthrown...

OH. I don't hate America but I'm thinking of leaving because I don't like the management. It depends on how the midterm elections and the presidential elections turn out.

Honestly, me too.


I swear to god, if we keep electing these blustering morons into office, then I'll go to England, and join the Royal Marines.

Allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment...

What would you think of Iran if they cured AIDS and paid off the world's debt?


Well, i would think wow, what a turn around, lets see some progress on the whole israel stance and maybe we've got something. Then i would wonder where they got all that money, cuz...they dont have it.

Well, i would think wow, what a turn around, lets see some progress on the whole israel stance and maybe we've got something. Then i would wonder where they got all that money, cuz...they dont have it.

And we do have the money to pay off the world's debt?

I remember that. I almost cried, and I never cry.

I heard it on the radio while riding in the backseat of my car. I was one pissed off 11-year-old.

And we do have the money to pay off the world's debt?

Nope, but if we did, that would be cool!

I heard it on the radio while riding in the backseat of my car. I was one pissed off 11-year-old.

lol! I hear ya there man.

The US kills mental patients and children too.
In public view, for being raped?

And btw, "the US does it too" is getting really old as an explanation for why capital punishment for non-crimes is OK.

Why do you support the death penalty?

While the U.S. doesn't execute minors, George Bush did order the execution of a mentally retarded man back in 1999. Remember? It was the guy who saved his baked potato (which was his last meal) so he could eat it later. He literally had no idea of what was going on.


i'll agree with you there, it was wrong, mentally retarted people should not get the death penalty, they should be locked up however. Actually i dont like the death penalty at all, if you kill 34 people and rape the bodies, you dont deserve to get out of prison early by being killed, you should suffer like your victims. Death is equal yes, but its much easier to die with a simple needle prick then being stabbed and dismembered and burried alive. People with death sentences get off way to easy.

In public view, for being raped?

Define public view! And no, not for rape.

And btw, "the US does it too" is getting really old as an explanation for why capital punishment for non-crimes is OK.

Luckily we do not execute for non-crimes.

[quopte]Why do you support the death penalty?[/QUOTE]

Because those who commit murder should lose their life.

People with death sentences get off way to easy.



Yeah, all in the name of being humane. I'm against the death penalty only because I don't want to see an innocent man put to death.

Actually Bush executed at least five mentally challenged people while he was Governor of Texas. I hate it when people claim to be born again Christians and then support Capital Punishment even though Christ spoke out against it.

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/LOCAL/southwest/08/10/hci.bush.executions/

Hypocrits.

Define public view! And no, not for rape.



Luckily we do not execute for non-crimes.

Why do you support the death penalty?

Because those who commit murder should lose their life.

So murder should be the only death-penalty worthy crime?

i'll agree with you there, it was wrong, mentally retarted people should not get the death penalty, they should be locked up however. Actually i dont like the death penalty at all, if you kill 34 people and rape the bodies, you dont deserve to get out of prison early by being killed, you should suffer like your victims. Death is equal yes, but its much easier to die with a simple needle prick then being stabbed and dismembered and burried alive. People with death sentences get off way to easy.

I'm in agreement here. Of course, I don't like the whole prison system anyway... I'm more for direct action by victims/victims' friends and family.

So murder should be the only death-penalty worthy crime?


rape should definately be included in there. Its just as sickening as murder.

I'm in agreement here. Of course, I don't like the whole prison system anyway... I'm more for direct action by victims/victims' friends and family.



i agree. If bin laden is caught a live, he should be whipped once by every member of every family of every person who died on 9/11, and the Embassy bombings, and the 93 wtc bombing and the USS cole bombing.


HA...he would split in half...and i would find it heeeelarious.

rape should definately be included in there. Its just as sickening as murder.

Sickening? How much it sickens you should be the criteria? By that theory, I'm sure you could find some people who would advocate the death penalty for homosexuality.

i agree. If bin laden is caught a live, he should be whipped once by every member of every family of every person who died on 9/11, and the Embassy bombings, and the 93 wtc bombing and the USS cole bombing.


HA...he would split in half...and i would find it heeeelarious.

Thats sick.

i agree. If bin laden is caught a live, he should be whipped once by every member of every family of every person who died on 9/11, and the Embassy bombings, and the 93 wtc bombing and the USS cole bombing.


HA...he would split in half...and i would find it heeeelarious.

I think that's one of the few cases where I'd actually condone a public stoning. One rock per family member/friend lost. :p

Kidding aside, it's difficult in cases like Osama's. What would we do to someone who ordered the action, but had no physical activity involved?

Define public view!


i define public view as out in the public. This girl was strung up on a crane and left to die infront of bystanders ...in public.

i agree. If bin laden is caught a live, he should be whipped once by every member of every family of every person who died on 9/11, and the Embassy bombings, and the 93 wtc bombing and the USS cole bombing.


HA...he would split in half...and i would find it heeeelarious.

They also outta let every American punch him in the face once, and spit on him.

Thats sick.


not as sick as what he did. no where near as sick.

i define public view as out in the public. This girl was strung up on a crane and left to die infront of bystanders ...in public.

Define public. In a town square? In a prison that people had access to? In a backyard?

They also outta let every American punch him in the face once, and spit on him.



OOOOOO...and piss on his corpse.

Define public. In a town square? In a prison that people had access to? In a backyard?


check page 3, there was the actual news story there, i skimmed it, i think it said where she was killed, but i know it wasnt in a prison.

not as sick as what he did. no where near as sick.
I would put it on par, if not far beyond what he did. I don't remember him torturing anyone to death even if he is a murdering scumbag.

OOOOOO...and piss on his corpse.

Not bad.....not bad at all.

I would put it on par, if not far beyond what he did. I don't remember him torturing anyone to death even if he is a murdering scumbag.


I understand where your coming from, but i think he merits that punishment. He ordered the execution of well over 4000 people, for no reason other than being american. In an unprovoked attack, in peace time.

Not bad.....not bad at all.
Now we're torturing him to death and desecrating a corpse. Whats next?

I understand where your coming from, but i think he merits that punishment. He ordered the execution of well over 4000 people, for no reason other than being american. In an unprovoked attack, in peace time.
He declared war on the USA a decade ago. You just weren't listening. I'm not trying to defend him though, I'm just saying it isn't profitable to act like him.

Now we're torturing him to death and desecrating a corpse. Whats next?


i cant think of anything else, but if anybody can think of anything, add it to the list, maybe start a new thread. call it... THERE MUST BE A MILLION WAYS TO KILL BIN LADEN. it'll be a hit.

He declared war on the USA a decade ago. You just weren't listening. I'm not trying to defend him though, I'm just saying it isn't profitable to act like him.


i gotcha. im not accusing you of being one of those bin laden supporters. that is an insult worse than any. i dont care what you do.

alright...have fun with this one...im out.

Because those who commit murder should lose their life.
At least you agree with the Iranians on something.

rape should definately be included in there. Its just as sickening as murder.
Bullshit. When was the last time any western country executed someone for rape?

i cant think of anything else, but if anybody can think of anything, add it to the list, maybe start a new thread. call it... THERE MUST BE A MILLION WAYS TO KILL BIN LADEN. it'll be a hit.

Sadly, it would. I say imprison him and give him nothing but three meals a day and writing paper. Then as soon as he finnishes his treatize on how to destroy America march four marines into his cell and rip up each page without reading it one by one in front of him.

There are fates worse than death you know.

Now we're torturing him to death and desecrating a corpse. Whats next?

Nah, I was just messing around. A simple Jacketed Hollow point round to the stomach would be fine.

So murder should be the only death-penalty worthy crime?

Well that and treason and crimes against humanity.

Well that and treason and crimes against humanity.


Agreed.

To be fair, I do not think he realizes that the US Supreme Court put a stop to it last year.

Last year?

Colour me impressed, you joined the civilised world.

Pay no attention to my name, it's just a way to have more power in my region.

I was watching Glenn Beck the other day, friday specifically, and he was talking about current problems with Iran. I hated the iranian regime already, however i was completely infuriated when i heard that recently the government put a 16 year old girl to death. The fact that they kill a teen girl is bad enough, but then we find out, she was mentally retarted. That is sickening. What was her crime you may ask, she could not say no to a man. Thats right people, the sick Iranians killed a retarted girl because she was raped. Can you think of anything more morally discusting?

Yes, I can.

The book of Leviticus.

It pretty much says that instead of being killed, she should have merely been scourged within an inch of her life.

I think you can close this thread now =)

Last year?

Colour me impressed, you joined the civilised world.

Only a dozen or so states had the death penalty for minors under 18. Thirty-eight states only executed 18yo on up.

Only a dozen or so states had the death penalty for minors under 18. Thirty-eight states only executed 18yo on up.

Only a dozen or so regional governments, that's a pretty good score.:rolleyes:

Only a dozen or so regional governments, that's a pretty good score.:rolleyes:

Here is something else for you to think about. Those who were sentenced to death as a minor, were executed from mid-twenties to early thirties.

Here is something else for you to think about. Those who were sentenced to death as a minor, were executed from mid-twenties to early thirties.
As somebody opposed to capital punishment, it raises my opinion of your noble country very little.

As somebody opposed to capital punishment, it raises my opinion of your noble country very little.

Think about how much that means to me.

Think about how much that means to me.
About as much as the death of some kind of protozoa, I'm guessing.

And Eon8 hasn't posted again, must've been a troll.

EDIT: Posted this after getting to page 4... then saw the bottom of page six.

Well, while he's here: When did we hang people for getting raped?

And Eon8 hasn't posted again, must've been a troll.

EDIT: Posted this after getting to page 4... then saw the bottom of page six.

Well, while he's here: When did we hang people for getting raped?

I didn't say you did.

I didn't say you did.

Oh now I see. You really are a troll - I had to go back and look at the first page again to realize it.

"It's horrible they killed a retarded 16-yr-old for being raped."
"America kills 16-yr-olds too, pull your head out of your (and I quote) goatse-hole."
"Yeah but when did they ever kill a retarded person for being raped?"
"America hasn't signed the 'we don't kill children' act."


Completely dodged the real point of the topic, while still insisting you had some kind of a point to your posts. GG.

ZOMG I R REVELED I MUST FLEE

I was pointing out that the moral high-ground you seem to have plonked your arse quite firmly on isn't that stable.

ZOMG I R REVELED I MUST FLEE

I was pointing out that the moral high-ground you seem to have plonked your arse quite firmly on isn't that stable.

Oh but it is. We don't kill people for being raped, and that was the main point he made. We used to kill 16-yr-olds, we don't anymore - we used to kill mentally retarded people - I'm pretty sure we don't anymore.

So without dodging the fact that the main point was that it's horrible to kill someone for BEING raped, you would have no reason to post.

You're still killing people incapable of responsibility.

You're still killing people incapable of responsibility.

Untrue. We WERE killing people who did horrible things and we treated them indiscriminately regardless of how old they were or what their mental state was (for the most part - being insane was somehow still an excuse, while being retarded wasn't). We came to a better understanding of how we should do things, and have since changed our ways.

Iran would kill the girl again today if they could.


That'd be the difference, and hence, the moral high ground.

Heh, you're not on the moral high ground. Come up here when you stop sanctioning murder. You're more like the guy standing on a large-ish stone in the mud.

You're still killing people incapable of responsibility.

No we are not.

Heh, you're not on the moral high ground. Come up here when you stop sanctioning murder. You're more like the guy standing one a large-ish stone in the mud.

I think people who kill someone without reason should be killed.

Dude robs a bank and shoots a teller? Death.

Dude gets into a fight and kills someone over a disagreement? Harsh death for being a dumbass.


Yes, I sanction murder. I don't think keeping them in prison, which is supposed to reform criminals, will do any good. They eat up tax dollars while they waste away inside a prison doing nothing but being bastards.

Now, in the case of the underaged and the mentally retarded:

Underaged: Depends. >16, juvi, with placement into an adult facility when they hit 18 where they live out the rest of their sentence or until they're said to be reformed. 16<, they're sent to prison to try to be reformed - if they're released under the assumption that they have become better people, and shit still happens to show they haven't changed, then depending on circumstance (if they kill someone or if they just beat someone up or rob someone) they'll either go back to jail or be sent to death.

Mentally retarded: This is a hard situation. On one hand, you've got a person who doesn't understand the reality of what he did - one the other hand, you've got someone who can kill without remorce because they don't think it's a bad thing and can't understand the punishment. I think the solution would be to try and make them learn such things as what death is and why it's wrong, and if they're simply incapable of doing so, then they're a liability to everyone around them and have to be either kept in prison (which would be a waste because they would eventually die in there regardless, whether by old age or shiv or whathaveyou) or they could be put to death. Personally I'd choose death, because if there's no hope for reform then essentially prison is an elongated and painful death sentence.


I'm not some knucklehead "kill 'em all, watch 'em fry!" jackass, I've actually thought about the issues and I see that just not killing everyone is not the answer. Some situations do require the penalty of death.

The US kills mental patients and children too. Pull your head out of your goatse-hole.


WTF kind of stupid assed response to a post is that ?

WTF kind of stupid assed response to a post is that ?

A bad one. It was defeated upon cross-examination.

No...noone would say that. Texas is part of the US, just as much as any other state. If Texas claimed it wasn't, then that would be illegal, and the Texan cabinet would be arrested for treason.


Oh please don't. Simply saying you are not part of the US is neither levying war against the nation, aiding the enemy, or providing that enemy aid and comfort.

It would not therefore be treason.

A bad one. It was defeated upon cross-examination.

*sigh*

Much like all your mothers.

EDIT: and other miscellaneous family members.

*sigh*

Much like all your mothers.

EDIT: and other miscellaneous family members.

Did it really have to come down to family insults?

I'm not American, and America has done some things that I do not agree with, but what you are saying now is completely off the ball and not relating very well to the subject at hand.

The US Government has never sanctioned the public hanging of an underage girl because she was the victim of rape. At least, not in the last century, my US history is kinda hazy.

While the U.S. doesn't execute minors, George Bush did order the execution of a mentally retarded man back in 1999. Remember? It was the guy who saved his baked potato (which was his last meal) so he could eat it later. He literally had no idea of what was going on.
lol, thats the funniest thing I've read all day.I mean I know that it was meant to be serious but come on, that was pretty damn funny. I even thought of a joke. "Your so stupid you saved your last meal for later." I have to use that sometime.

As somebody opposed to capital punishment, it raises my opinion of your noble country very little.
But you don't oppose capital punishment in Iran.

In 2005, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned sentences in 19 states when it ruled that the death penalty, or capital punishment, could not be imposed on convicted murderers who were under the age of 18 at the time they committed their crimes...

In 2005, the Supreme Court upheld the right of individual U.S. states to establish their own guidelines for determining whether a defendant facing the death penalty is mentally retarded and therefore ineligible for execution. A Supreme Court ruling in 2002 abolished the death penalty for mentally retarded offenders and directed states to develop ways to enforce the ban. (http://usinfo.state.gov/xarchives/display.html?p=washfile-english&y=2006&m=June&x=20060620143449bcreklaw0.8709833)

I'm sorry if somebody pointed this out already...

Iran also hanged two gay teens for doing it with the same gender and they were also caught in the prosscss. They hung them on National Tv/