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Do people choose to live a homophobic lifestyle or is it genetic?

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i'm homophobic

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i'm ignorant

Fixed for accuracy.

Well let's see here:

There doesn't seem to be a genetic trait that is common to all, nor an environmental in-uterus element common to all, not even a adolescent environmental situation that causes it that is common to all. There is some evidence that they share some common denominators but none that can singularly be isolated for us to be able to adjust these things as they happen, none that would prove beyond a shadow of doubt that it caused this condition anyway. None that would explain why they would choose to be ridiculed and social outcasts and willingly put themselves in that situation anyway.

And since there is no physical, environmental or social cause and effect here that we can’t point at.

I suppose we must conclude that it is a choice of individuals since there is no physical evidence to the contraire.

Of course, if we had these same questions with a different spelling, homophobe vs. homosexual, we must come to a 180^ different conclusion and say that it then must NOT be a choice in that case, but that’s easily explainable with the science of semantics. ;)

Do people choose to live a homophobic lifestyle or is it genetic?
yes of course, but unfortunately some people are too moronic to choose otherwise.

Well let's see here:

There doesn't seem to be a genetic trait that is common to all, nor an environmental in-uterus element common to all, not even a adolescent environmental situation that causes it that is common to all. There is some evidence that they share some common denominators but none that can singularly be isolated for us to be able to adjust these things as they happen, none that would prove beyond a shadow of doubt that it caused this condition anyway. None that would explain why they would choose to be ridiculed and social outcasts and willingly put themselves in that situation anyway.

And since there is no physical, environmental or social cause and effect here that we can’t point at.

I suppose we must conclude that it is a choice of individuals since there is no physical evidence to the contraire.

Of course, if we had these same questions with a different spelling, homophobe vs. homosexual, we must come to a 180^ different conclusion and say that it then must NOT be a choice in that case, but that’s easily explainable with the science of semantics. ;)


Is having the clap a choice or genetic?

Maybe - just maybe - the question itself is just a lame behind attempt at manipulation.

Is having the clap a choice or genetic?

Maybe - just maybe - the question itself is just a lame behind attempt at manipulation.

You can isolate the cause and effect of the 'clap' and treat it. You can't 'isolate' a cause and effect for homophobia.... nor homosexual.

You can isolate the cause and effect of the 'clap' and treat it. You can't 'isolate' a cause and effect for homophobia.... no homosexual.

diaf

You can isolate the cause and effect of the 'clap' and treat it. You can't 'isolate' a cause and effect for homophobia.... nor homosexual.


And the impossibility of isolating a cause leads to a choice-or-genetics-dilemma?

diaf

lol, oh my goodness. What part of what I said was wrong?

And the impossibility of isolating a cause leads to a choice-or-genetics-dilemma?

I said for "homophobe" we conclude it is a choice and for homosexual we conclude it is not a choice. I simply pointed out the same evidence for the same question, the conclusion we come to is based on semantics, not evidence.

I think my point is proved.

Fixed for accuracy.that's just rude

I said for "homophobe" we conclude it is a choice and for homosexual we conclude it is not a choice. I simply pointed out the same evidence for the same question, the conclusion we come to is based on semantics, not evidence.

I think my point is proved.


I think its reliance on semantics proves the point i facetious and manipulative.

Homophobia isn't genetic (as most phobias are learned). Just like any other phobia, there are some people don't choose to be homophobic but have become so through family upbringing or some traumatic event in their life.

However, this is reserved to people who are really homophobic. (As in very afraid of homosexuals.) As for people with prejudices, they do choose to be prejudice of GLBTQs, and could change how they feel if they simply had the motivation to.

lol, oh my goodness. What part of what I said was wrong?

Uh...all of it?

that's just rude

Rude is my specialty. ;)

I think its reliance on semantics proves the point i facetious and manipulative.

Rather, I think I build windows in walls that had none before. I think you like your walls and you didn't want a view into a different direction.

If you can have a fear of clowns, you can have a fear of homosexuals. Who can argue against that? Except that there are different ways of coming to a phobia. Some people really have the fear and they should try to overcome it as with any fear. Some people learned to hate, that's a different duck.

Homophobia isn't genetic (as most phobias are learned). Just like any other phobia, there are some people don't choose to be homophobic but have become so through family upbringing or some traumatic event in their life.

However, this is reserved to people who are really homophobic. (As in very afraid of homosexuals.) As for people with prejudices, they do choose to be prejudice of GLBTQs, and could change how they feel if they simply had the motivation to.
...What the hell does the Q stand for?

And most people who are prejudiced don't CHOOSE to be so, they're just taught to hate from an early age by their parents, peers, and the media.

Rather, I think I build windows in walls that had none before. I think you like your walls and you didn't want a view into a different direction.

Why should I suffer you to place windos in MY walls?

Uh...all of it?

The sun was too bright for you when you came out of the closet? Can you isolate what was wrong with what I said, or are you simply angry at the conclusions the logic came to without being able to find the step that is erroneous in getting there?

Why should I suffer you to place windos in MY walls?

If you don't want new windows you better build thicker walls then, becaue nobody has even started setting up the seige weapons yet and your walls have new holes in them. ;)

If you don't want new windows you better build thicker walls then, becaue nobody has even started setting up the seige weapons yet and your walls have new holes in them. ;)


MY walls - NOT yours. Touch 'em, and suffer the severest and unspecified consequences.

The sun was too bright for you when you came out of the closet? Can you isolate what was wrong with what I said, or are you simply angry at the conclusions the logic came to without being able to find the step that is erroneous in getting there?

I was never in the closet. Always been straight. Nice try, though. :rolleyes:

I was never in the closet. Always been straight. Nice try, though. :rolleyes:

I notice that your immediate priority was to end any speculation about your sexual orientation, I can’t imagine why, rather than actually answer the question of where the logic was flawed in reaching it's conclusion.

I'll assume then that the logic was flawless, in which case, your contention with the conclusion must be irrational, yes?

MY walls - NOT yours. Touch 'em, and suffer the severest and unspecified consequences.

I better post a sign then,

Public Notice:

Nobody shake the ground, BogMarsh's paper thin walls might fall down and he's not happy about that.

I notice that your immediate priority was to end any speculation about your sexual orientation, I can’t imagine why, rather than actually answer the question of where the logic was flawed in reaching it's conclusion.

No, you made a remark that I came out of the closet, implying I was a homosexual defending others like me. Wrong. I don't have to be gay to think that you're a troll.

I'll assume then that the logic was flawless, in which case, your contention with the conclusion must be irrational, yes?

No. Not even close.

No, you made a remark that I came out of the closet, implying I was a homosexual defending others like me. Wrong. I don't have to be gay to think that you're a troll.

No, actually I was going with the same theme that I was talking to BogMarsh about, you have a new perspective and I was accusing you of being blinded by the sun being too bright and your eyes haven't adjusted yet, but you can take it how you like. I could have equally accused you of being exposed to the sun when I kicked over your rock, but I was already on a house compare and windows and all, so the closet seemed like a nice dark place in a house.

You’re the one posting nothing but insults and not adding to the conversation or actually debating any points, and you think I'm the troll? Interesting, perhaps you should look that word up in your Internet dictionary, you seem to have misunderstood the definition of it...

No, actually I was going with the same theme that I was talking to BogMarsh about, you have a new perspective and I was accusing you of being blinded by the sun being too bright and your eyes haven't adjusted yet, but you can take it how you like. I could have equally accused you of being exposed to the sun when I kicked over your rock, but I was already on a house compare and windows and all, so the closet seemed like a nice dark place in a house.

No, you went with "when you came out of the closet," which is a reference to...well...we all know. Again, nice try at debating/discrediting my opinion. :rolleyes:

You’re the one posting nothing but insults and not adding to the conversation or actually debating any points, and you think I'm the troll? Interesting, perhaps you should look that word up in your Internet dictionary, you seem to have misunderstood the definition of it...

No, I understand the definition. I only insult those deserving of it.

Do people choose to live a homophobic lifestyle or is it genetic?

Well, let's think about this for a second.

With the great majority it is by "choice" and not genetic. However, there may be some individuals who are homophobic, but not genetically, or by choice. They could have just grown up in a family where if you spoke up for a second you would have had your ass beaten in in the name of the Lord, and thus just rolled with it because they've been psycholgically conditioned to be homophobic...like brainwashing.

But I'm just proposing different scenarios...I don't know how you guys feel but...yeah...

I notice that your immediate priority was to end any speculation about your sexual orientation, I can’t imagine why, rather than actually answer the question of where the logic was flawed in reaching it's conclusion.

I'll assume then that the logic was flawless, in which case, your contention with the conclusion must be irrational, yes?
You pwn.:cool:

I better post a sign then,

Public Notice:

Nobody shake the ground, BogMarsh's paper thin walls might fall down and he's not happy about that.

Ah consider gettin' too close unbearable too, Mister...

*levels double -barelled shotgun*

No, you went with "when you came out of the closet," which is a reference to...well...we all know. Again, nice try at debating/discrediting my opinion. :rolleyes:



Really?

*Re-reads entire thread*

No, I'm sorry, I can't find your 'opinion' anywhere in here, I only found your disdain for other peoples opinions and your attempt to post insults. So I think you'll have to prove the accusation that I tried to debating/discrediting your opinion, I do not believe that one has been presented yet. Out side of the fact that we now know you are NOT a homosexual, we know very little else.

...What the hell does the Q stand for?

And most people who are prejudiced don't CHOOSE to be so, they're just taught to hate from an early age by their parents, peers, and the media.

The Q stands for Queer. Yes, I know it's odd because everything else seems covered in that acronym, but it’s usually added in there.

Granted, people usually don't choose to start out with a prejudice. But they have more choice in changing it than someone with an actual phobia does.

Really?

*Re-reads entire thread*

No, I'm sorry, I can't find your 'opinion' anywhere in here, I only found your disdain for other peoples opinions and your attempt to post insults. So I think you'll have to prove the accusation that I tried to debating/discrediting your opinion, I do not believe that one has been presented yet. Out side of the fact that we now know you are NOT a homosexual, we know very little else.

Those who frequent this forum know I don't give a shit who likes the same sex and who doesn't. It matters not to me what one's sexual orientation is. Your fascination with it, frankly, is disturbing. Do you care what I do with my girlfriend in our bedroom, too? It's none of your bloody business, nor are the bedroom activities of anyone else. Clear things up?

Do people choose to live a homophobic lifestyle or is it genetic?
I think it's definetely a choice. Just like you choose to be racist, you aren't born racist.

Those who frequent this forum know I don't give a shit who likes the same sex and who doesn't. It matters not to me what one's sexual orientation is. Your fascination with it, frankly, is disturbing. Do you care what I do with my girlfriend in our bedroom, too? It's none of your bloody business, nor are the bedroom activities of anyone else. Clear things up?
while it's true that WE DON'T HAVE TO KNOW what you do with your girlfriend in your bedroom, but if you tell us, we won't mind... well, the mods might, but generally, we won't. :D

while it's true that WE DON'T HAVE TO KNOW what you do with your girlfriend in your bedroom, but if you tell us, we won't mind... well, the mods might, but generally, we won't. :D

Not happenin', mate. ;)

Not happenin', mate. ;)
:( DAMMIT! :D

It's as legitimate of an argument that homophobia is genetic as it that homosexuality is genetic. I personally am repulsed by homos and can't stand having to hear about them on a daily f'ing basis. I don't hate them for what they do, I hate the fact that they just won't stfu about it. If they would just leave well enough alone and do what they want behind closed doors then I could care LESS about them. Stop asking me to legitimize your filthy habit, just keep it to yourself and go on about your business and I ASSURE you I won't seek you out to verbalize my disgust. I don't believe that homosexuality is genetic, I think it is an easy out that people choose out of sheer laziness. Go ahead and cite the BS about it occuring in nature, I still don't have to like it. If it makes you feel better though cannibalism occurs in nature too and I don't like cannibals either. Pedophilia doesn't occur in nature only b/c animals have sexual contact when they reach sexual maturity, that doesn't make it OK for humans to do it too does it? They are all sick f'ing fetishes that people need to stop trying to add to the "socially acceptable" list. There ya go libtards, have fun with that one!

Do people choose to live a homophobic lifestyle or is it genetic?It could be genetic or influenced thereby whether you like or dislike gays. Being an idiot about it is a choice though. ;)

<snip>It's so much easier to bump off a minority if you do it behind a curtain, ain't it ;)

Do people choose to live a homophobic lifestyle or is it genetic?

Homophobia is a choice.

I find the thought of two blokes shagging to be personally revolting and something I would not engage in nor wish to think about.

However if consenting male adults want to shag...I really don't care and I would go as far to say that they have the right to do so as they are consenting adults.

What goes on in the bedrooom is of no concern to me if both parties consent.

I do not consider myself to be a homophobe. In fact homophobes revolt me more than the thought of two blokes shagging.

It's so much easier to bump off a minority if you do it behind a curtain, ain't it ;)

Laughable at best, nice logic though that you assume anyone that doesn't share an infatuation w/ othert people's sexuality wants to "bump them off". They are not a minority either, they are not an ethnic group, they are someone who chose a path with their life that does not benefit society in any way. They are perfectly free to do whatever they want to, I just am absolutely tired of having to hear about it. I wish no physical harm on them in any shape form or fashion, just carry on live you life as you see fit and leave the rest of us alone about it. I have every right to dislike/ disapprove of their lifestyle just like I have the same right to feel the same about someone that picks their nose in public, doesn't mean I hate them or want to bump them off.

Laughable at best, nice logic though that you assume anyone that doesn't share an infatuation w/ othert people's sexuality wants to "bump them off". They are not a minority either, they are not an ethnic group, they are someone who chose a path with their life that does not benefit society in any way. They are perfectly free to do whatever they want to, I just am absolutely tired of having to hear about it. I wish no physical harm on them in any shape form or fashion, just carry on live you life as you see fit and leave the rest of us alone about it. I have every right to dislike/ disapprove of their lifestyle just like I have the same right to feel the same about someone that picks their nose in public, doesn't mean I hate them or want to bump them off.
Do you kiss a girl in public (or a guy if you're a girl)? Would you be against two women or two men kissing in public?

I guess the only way that humans can be a 'benefit to society' is to have children. Odd...having crack babies doesn't seem like a 'benefit to society', and yet this philosophy puts their mothers above gays.

I guess the only way that humans can be a 'benefit to society' is to have children. Odd...having crack babies doesn't seem like a 'benefit to society', and yet this philosophy puts their mothers above gays.

Yeah, I mean... it's not like working or adopting children are beneficial to society.

Yes. in my opinion Homophobia is a choice. Your prejudices are a resault of your upbringing.

Laughable at best, nice logic though that you assume anyone that doesn't share an infatuation w/ othert people's sexuality wants to "bump them off". It's a double edged sword. Your assumptions about me and my logic are hardly any more accurate ;)
They are not a minority either, they are not an ethnic group, they are someone who chose a path with their life that does not benefit society in any way. Not a minority? By what definition are you going? Are they a majority then?
They are perfectly free to do whatever they want to, I just am absolutely tired of having to hear about it. How does you not wanting to know about it benefit society?
I wish no physical harm on them in any shape form or fashion, just carry on live you life as you see fit and leave the rest of us alone about it. I have every right to dislike/ disapprove of their lifestyle just like I have the same right to feel the same about someone that picks their nose in public, doesn't mean I hate them or want to bump them off.Picking your nose in public is hardly comparable to living an inner urge. Take your false analogies elsewhere.

Do you kiss a girl in public (or a guy if you're a girl)? Would you be against two women or two men kissing in public?

No I typically don't but I have on some occasions. Someone giving someone a peck on the lips in public is one thing, throw down makeout sessions in public are annoying and it doesn't matter who the hell is doing it. As for the sex of the 2 people doing it; I admit I would be more annoyed by gays doing it, sorry what can I say it just turns my stomach.

I'm an ass hole.

Edited for the lack of your tolerance as well..

No I typically don't but I have on some occasions. Someone giving someone a peck on the lips in public is one thing, throw down makeout sessions in public are annoying and it doesn't matter who the hell is doing it. As for the sex of the 2 people doing it; I admit I would be more annoyed by gays doing it, sorry what can I say it just turns my stomach.
Well, hopefully with time and patience, you'll get over that.

Edited for the lack of your tolerance as well..

So...homophobe, are we?

It's bull to say, 'Oh, they were raised that way' to excuse homophobics for being ignorant and hateful towards a group of people who haven't done a thing to them to deserve that kind of hatred.

No matter how you were raised, by the time you're a teenager, you should be able to think for yourself, learn for yourself, and know how to view information objectively. If you're raised in a religious family, community, and you end up homophobic, it's not because you were raised that way. It's because you only ever let other people tell you what to think. Or, you just hate people who are the slightest bit different than you because they want to be allowed the same freedoms as you.

So either way, it's a choice. And it's 100% wrong to think that 'Well if Homophobia is a choice, then so is Homosexuality'. It's not a viable analogy. What, however, would be, is 'If Heterosexuality is a choice, then so is Homosexuality'.

You don't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex, do you? Because if you have to choose which sex you're attracted to... well, that means that you might have a little gay in you! =O OH NOES

Well, hopefully with time and patience, you'll get over that.

I don't feel it's something to get over, I don't have a problem with myself giving no support to their lifestyle, they chose it not me.

I don't feel it's something to get over, I don't have a problem with myself giving no support to their lifestyle, they chose it not me.
You have a problem with seeing them. Like somebody who has a problem seeing a clown, you should face your own fears and get over them.

That's odd. In this thread, homosexuals have been compared to crack mothers and clowns.


Interesting.

That's odd. In this thread, homosexuals have been compared to crack mothers and clowns.


Interesting.
I guess I should have used heights?

You have a problem with seeing them. Like somebody who has a problem seeing a clown, you should face your own fears and get over them.

There is a big difference between a fear and disgust for someone's habits. I have no fear of what they do, it's JUST GROSS... How the hell is that so hard to understand? This society of deeming anything and everything socially acceptable except for those who don't find anything and everything socially acceptable is getting WAY OUT OF HAND! Why the hell does everybody have to like everybody? There is nothing wrong w/ not liking someone elses actions as long as it does not promote physical harm to them. I could care less if I hurt someones feelings b/c I don't like them, guess what if they are that pathetic that my approval determines their entire outlook of themselves then they have much bigger problems.

There is a big difference between a fear and disgust for someone's habits. I have no fear of what they do, it's JUST GROSS... How the hell is that so hard to understand? This society of deeming anything and everything socially acceptable except for those who don't find anything and everything socially acceptable is getting WAY OUT OF HAND! Why the hell does everybody have to like everybody? There is nothing wrong w/ not liking someone elses actions as long as it does not promote physical harm to them. I could care less if I hurt someones feelings b/c I don't like them, guess what if they are that pathetic that my approval determines their entire outlook of themselves then they have much bigger problems.
Anger is good. It's ok to cry as well.

I could care less if I hurt someones feelings b/c I don't like them

Very well, but on the same token, you must accept that a gay couple maybe just couldn't care less themselves if you're made uncomfortable seeing two gay men make out.

Don't like it, your right not to.

Don't care if you hurt their feelings when you say so? your right.

Them not giving a damn that you're made uncomfortable if they decide to make out in front of you? Their right.