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Has anyone out there in General land ever heard of the King Kill 33 conspiracy theory? It attempts to tie together Freemasonry, government, the CIA, and sorcery to explain the JFK assassination. Here's one particularly odd excerpt. Anybody got a conspiracy theory that tops this in terms of sheer weirdness?

At the Oswald gravesite stands a small tree. There exists an old belief that a tree which grows at or on a grave is embodied with the spirit-force of the person buried at that site, and that a twig or branch taken from such a tree has magical powers.

I suggest that Lee Harvey Oswald's mother should gently remove a twig from the tree at her son's grave and then at every opportunity touch FBI agents, CIA operatives, policemen, etc., with that same twig. Such a procedure couldn't help but be more efficacious in bringing the murderers of JFK to justice than the Warren Commission was.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/kingkill33.html

Ooh...

Did they tie in Oil companies, Hitler and a moon base?

Watch what you say about the moon base....they are listening.....:eek:

Watch what you say about the moon base....they are listening.....:eek:
It's not really on the moon. It's actually in the super-secret base where they faked the moon landings! *shifty eyes*

Ooh...

Did they tie in Oil companies, Hitler and a moon base?
They did tie in NASA's moon missions.

On the 28th degree of latitude in the state of Texas is the site of what was once the giant "Kennedy ranch." On the 28th degree is also Cape Canaveral from which the moon flight was launched-made possible not only by the President's various feats but by his death as well, for the placing of the Freemasons on the moon could occur only after the Killing of the King. The 28th degree of Templarism is the "King of the Sun" degree. The President and First Lady arrived in Air Force One, code-named "Angel."

I've always enjoyed the one that says "They" faked the moon landings. And the one that underlies The Da Vinci Code is pretty good, too.

They did tie in NASA's moon missions.

Freemasons on the moon! My God ... they'll kill us all!

Anybody got a conspiracy theory that tops this in terms of sheer weirdness?


I see your King Kill/33, and raise you one Montauk Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project)!

- Funding supposedly came from a cache of US$10 billion in Nazi gold recovered from a train found by U.S. soldiers in a train tunnel in France.

- People had their psychic abilities enhanced to the point where they could materialize objects out of thin air.

- Experiments were conducted in teleportation.

- A "porthole in time" was created which allowed researchers to travel anywhere in time or space. This was developed into a stable "Time Tunnel."

- Contact was made with alien extraterrestrials through the Time Tunnel and technology was exchanged with them which enhanced the project. This allowed broader access to "hyperspace".

- An alien monster traveled through the time tunnel, destroyed equipment and devoured researchers. The tunnel was shut down and the creature destroyed.

- Filmmakers were brought to the facility to begin work on a project that would culminate with the Moon landing hoax.

- Experimental "flying saucer" aircraft prototypes were created there, and shipped to other secret bases for testing.

- Bioengineering projects undertaken there eventually created the Jersey Devil.

- Black helicopters were manufactured and flown there.

- Nikola Tesla, whose death was faked in a conspiracy, was the chief director of operations at the base.

- Mass psychological experiments, such as the use of enormous subliminal messages projects and the creation of a "Men in Black" corps to confuse and frighten the public, were invented there.


So to summarize, we have: Nazi gold! Men in Black! Flying Saucers! Fake Moon Landing! Black Helicopters! Time Travel! Other Dimensions! Alien Monsters! Psychic Powers! Nikola Tesla! The Jersey Devil!

I see your King Kill/33, and raise you one Montauk Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project)!

- Funding supposedly came from a cache of US$10 billion in Nazi gold recovered from a train found by U.S. soldiers in a train tunnel in France.

- People had their psychic abilities enhanced to the point where they could materialize objects out of thin air.

- Experiments were conducted in teleportation.

- A "porthole in time" was created which allowed researchers to travel anywhere in time or space. This was developed into a stable "Time Tunnel."

- Contact was made with alien extraterrestrials through the Time Tunnel and technology was exchanged with them which enhanced the project. This allowed broader access to "hyperspace".

- An alien monster traveled through the time tunnel, destroyed equipment and devoured researchers. The tunnel was shut down and the creature destroyed.

- Filmmakers were brought to the facility to begin work on a project that would culminate with the Moon landing hoax.

- Experimental "flying saucer" aircraft prototypes were created there, and shipped to other secret bases for testing.

- Bioengineering projects undertaken there eventually created the Jersey Devil.

- Black helicopters were manufactured and flown there.

- Nikola Tesla, whose death was faked in a conspiracy, was the chief director of operations at the base.

- Mass psychological experiments, such as the use of enormous subliminal messages projects and the creation of a "Men in Black" corps to confuse and frighten the public, were invented there.


So to summarize, we have: Nazi gold! Men in Black! Flying Saucers! Fake Moon Landing! Black Helicopters! Time Travel! Other Dimensions! Alien Monsters! Psychic Powers! Nikola Tesla! The Jersey Devil!
Reminds me a little of the Ong's Hat (http://deoxy.org/inc2.htm)conspiracy because of the dimensional travel, but your conspiracy theory is a bit more bizzare.

The hollow earth theory is pretty crazy, imo.

I recently heard one that Hoffa was buried in Elvis' grave. Yet to track that one down and see the convoluted path used to explain that. But definite points awarded there for tying two conspiracies together.

Montauk Project[/url]!


Did you know the writer of that book never takes off his sunglasses because the experiments made his eyes sensitive to the sun? He also wears nothing but Hawaiian shirts from what I can tell.

I remeber reading about this on theory about how the elite rule the world and how these families and heads of state are all linked together and how they had descended from an anchient group of people, it was fairly convincing until it said how they had descended from lizards and could transform to their true lizard selves when neccasary.

How about the "every ancient culture on earth got to the Americas before Columbus" school of thought? You know, the folks who find some scratchings on a rock in Ohio and interpret them to be the record of a Phoenician sailor from 625 BC who was there on a mining expedition. I suppose the conspiracy part would be that they all think "mainstream archaeologists" are out to cover this knowledge up so they can retain their prestigious and highly paid university and museum jobs. Or something.

I remeber reading about this on theory about how the elite rule the world and how these families and heads of state are all linked together and how they had descended from an anchient group of people, it was fairly convincing until it said how they had descended from lizards and could transform to their true lizard selves when neccasary.
Try Sheri Tepper's Gibbon's Decline and Fall. Very close to that in some ways. And a damn good read, too.

How about the "every ancient culture on earth got to the Americas before Columbus" school of thought? You know, the folks who find some scratchings on a rock in Ohio and interpret them to be the record of a Phoenician sailor from 625 BC who was there on a mining expedition. I suppose the conspiracy part would be that they all think "mainstream archaeologists" are out to cover this knowledge up so they can retain their prestigious and highly paid university and museum jobs. Or something.
Columbus definitely wasn't the first.

Did you know the writer of that book never takes off his sunglasses because the experiments made his eyes sensitive to the sun? He also wears nothing but Hawaiian shirts from what I can tell.

I didn't know that... interesting tidbits.

Did you know the writer of that book never takes off his sunglasses because the experiments made his eyes sensitive to the sun? He also wears nothing but Hawaiian shirts from what I can tell.
Yeah, some experiments I did with certain chemicals did that to me temporarily. Wore off after I came down and got some sleep though.

Columbus definitely wasn't the first.
We know the Vikings got to Canada, and I imagine Basque fishermen made it to New England, but according to some of these folks, North America at least was crawling with Egyptians, Phoenicians, Minoans, Mycenaean Greeks, Coptic Christians fleeing persecutions ... the list goes on and on. All covered up by Mainstream Archaeologists.

We know the Vikings got to Canada, and I imagine Basque fishermen made it to New England, but according to some of these folks, North America at least was crawling with Egyptians, Phoenicians, Minoans, Mycenaean Greeks, Coptic Christians fleeing persecutions ... the list goes on and on. All covered up by Mainstream Archaeologists.
Well, they have found tobacco leaves in some ancient Egyptian sarcophagi - tobacco being native only to S.America remember.
So there must have been some contact way back then.

And when you think that there's now a race to row across the Alantic, with the record being only 41 days, the idea that no-one from the ancient World ever got over there is pretty ludicrous.

At any rate, the idea that there had been intermittent contact between the two worlds is mentioned in practically every archaeology book, just as an interesting side-note. Nothing of import every came of these crossings, until Colombus. Which is why he's justy credited with having 'discovered' America.

Conspiracists just can't get their head around that.

I got one.
The all religoin is a code. Crack the code and follow it and youll get to wherever you need to go. I call it Drakenism!

Well, they have found tobacco leaves in some ancient Egyptian sarcophagi - tobacco being native only to S.America remember.
So there must have been some contact way back then.

I thought that they found cocaine:confused: anyway:)

I hadn't heard about tobacco leaves in Egypt. It's interesting that the Arabic word tabbaq meant various sort of herbs, so I wonder, but I wouldn't be completely surprised, nor that cocaine made the crossing, too. I would like to see test results, however.

I guess what puts this in the conspiracy theory category is the cover-up claims made. As I understand it, though, "evil mainstream archaeologists" are just saying, "Can we do a dig properly for once?" Most of the finds are only made public after they've been dug up and the site is either a secret or been tromped all over. Anyways, my little contribution.

This isn't some roleplaying BS. Here's the straight FACTS.

The scary part is how it ties into the events of 9/11. Think Bin Laden came up with the idea of flying a plane into a building? Nope. It was none other than the CIA. During the cold war with Cuba, under the fear that the American popluation, still weary from WW2 and Korea, would not back the contry going to was with an atomically armed madman, the CIA handed Kennedy the Northwoods Document. www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html The document was the blueprint for Operation MONGOOSE, a plan to CREATE (as in all of this is staged to appear real) a pretext for going to war. The pretext included (see pages 10 and 11)

1) Starting rumors using clandestine radio. (Meaning radio stations in the government's pocket)
2) Land "Friendly" Cubans (US Operatives of Cuban Decent and appearance) in uniform "over the fence" to stage attack on (US) base.
3) Capture Cuban (Friendly) saboteurs inside the base.
4) Start riots near the main base gate (Friendly Cubans)
5) Blow up ammunition inside the base; start fires
6) Burn aircraft on base (Sabotage)
7) Lob mortar shells from outside base into base. Some damage to installations.
8) Capture assault teams approaching from the sea or vincinity of Guantanimo bay.
9) Capture Militia group which storms the base
10) Sabotage (US) ship in harbour; large fires -- napathaline (Napalm)
11) Sink ship near harbour entrance. Conduct funerals for mock victims. May be in lieu of #10

And that's just the BEGINNING. With a pretext, they can project the nations hate as they see fit and turn anyone into an enemy. It goes on, and on, and on for the last couple pages, including the ideas of either:

A) Shooting down and American civil aircraft and blaming the Cubans
B) Hijacking and crashing an American civil aircraft, again, blaming the cubans
C) Using remote drone planes, simulate either A or B for the media, act as if it were real.

Read the whole document...you'll see a lot of stuff that closely resembles 9/11 (Notice how Bush was ablt to trample over the constitution long enough to get his oil war, complete his pipe through Afghanistan and install a former Unocal executive as the "elected president" (Hey, how far off is it for THAt guy to mess with an election).

Now back to Kennedy. Shocked and appalled by his own CIA, he ignored the ideas of the Northwoods document and resolved it peacefully without a single shot being fired. Good for America, bad for the war companies that would have loved to start another production run. After the fiasco was said and done, he signed Presidential order 1011 on November 20, 1963, ordering the disbandment of the CIA. Two days later, he was killed in dealey plaza. The CIA got their way as president after president began funding foreign extremist groups, not yet pissed off at America, but busy wiping each other out in the middle east. Why? Two reasons: First, they need someone to blame in the region if they want another war, and two, if they want something done without a percieved US involvement, they owe them one. They funded both sides of every major middle eastern conflict to hedge their bets. The reason Al-Queda is armed with both weapons and sharp tactical knowledge? America gave it to them during the 1980s to fight the Soviets when they were fighthing in Afghanistan.

The CIA is the one behind the Kennedy assassination...and every other major war event. Don't believe it yet? Ok, here's one for you, from www.hereinreality.com/

Until 1997 A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard had been Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown. A.B. Brown was acquired by Banker’s Trust in 1997. Krongard then became, as part of the merger, Vice Chairman of Banker’s Trust-AB Brown, one of 20 major U.S. banks named by Senator Carl Levin last year as being connected to money laundering. Krongard’s last position at Banker’s Trust (BT) was to oversee “private client relations.” In this capacity he had direct hands-on relations with some of the wealthiest people in the world in a kind of specialized banking operation that has been identified by the U.S. Senate and other investigators as being closely connected to the laundering of drug money.

Krongard joined the CIA in 1998 as counsel to CIA Director George Tenet. He was promoted to CIA Executive Director by President Bush in March of this year. BT was acquired by Deutsche Bank in 1999. The combined firm is the single largest bank in Europe. And, as we shall see, Deutsche Bank played several key roles in events connected to the September 11 attacks.

Before looking further into these relationships it is necessary to look at the insider trading information that is being ignored by Reuters, The New York Times and other mass media. It is well documented that the CIA has long monitored such trades – in real time – as potential warnings of terrorist attacks and other economic moves contrary to U.S. interests.

It is necessary to understand only two key financial terms to understand the significance of these trades, “selling short” and “put options”.

“Selling Short” is the borrowing of stock, selling it at current market prices, but not being required to actually produce the stock for some time. If the stock falls precipitously after the short contract is entered, the seller can then fulfill the contract by buying the stock after the price has fallen and complete the contract at the pre-crash price. These contracts often have a window of as long as four months.

“Put Options,” are contracts giving the buyer the option to sell stocks at a later date. Purchased at nominal prices of, for example, $1.00 per share, they are sold in blocks of 100 shares. If exercised, they give the holder the option of selling selected stocks at a future date at a price set when the contract is issued. Thus, for an investment of $10,000 it might be possible to tie up 10,000 shares of United or American Airlines at $100 per share, and the seller of the option is then obligated to buy them if the option is executed. If the stock has fallen to $50 when the contract matures, the holder of the option can purchase the shares for $50 and immediately sell them for $100 – regardless of where the market then stands. A call option is the reverse of a put option, which is, in effect, a derivatives bet that the stock price will go up.

A September 21 story by the Israeli Herzliyya International Policy Institute for Counterterrorism, entitled “Black Tuesday: The World’s Largest Insider Trading Scam?” documented the following trades connected to the September 11 attacks:

- Between September 6 and 7, the Chicago Board Options Exchange saw purchases of 4,744 put options on United Airlines, but only 396 call options… Assuming that 4,000 of the options were bought by people with advance knowledge of the imminent attacks, these “insiders” would have profited by almost $5 million.

- On September 10, 4,516 put options on American Airlines were bought on the Chicago exchange, compared to only 748 calls. Again, there was no news at that point to justify this imbalance;… Again, assuming that 4,000 of these options trades represent “insiders,” they would represent a gain of about $4 million.

- [The levels of put options purchased above were more than six times higher than normal.]

- No similar trading in other airlines occurred on the Chicago exchange in the days immediately preceding Black Tuesday.

- Morgan Stanley Dean Witter & Co., which occupied 22 floors of the World Trade Center, saw 2,157 of its October $45 put options bought in the three trading days before Black Tuesday; this compares to an average of 27 contracts per day before September 6. Morgan Stanley’s share price fell from $48.90 to $42.50 in the aftermath of the attacks. Assuming that 2,000 of these options contracts were bought based upon knowledge of the approaching attacks, their purchasers could have profited by at least $1.2 million. Merrill Lynch & Co., with headquarters near the Twin Towers, saw 12,215 October $45 put options bought in the four trading days before the attacks; the previous average volume in those shares had been 252 contracts per day [a 1200% increase!]. When trading resumed, Merrill’s shares fell from $46.88 to $41.50; assuming that 11,000 option contracts were bought by “insiders,” their profit would have been about $5.5 million.

- European regulators are examining trades in Germany’s Munich Re, Switzerland’s Swiss Re, and AXA of France, all major reinsurers with exposure to the Black Tuesday disaster. [FTW Note: AXA also owns more than 25% of American Airlines stock making the attacks a “double whammy” for them.]

On September 29, 2001 – in a vital story that has gone unnoticed by the major media – the San Francisco Chronicle reported, “Investors have yet to collect more than $2.5 million in profits they made trading options in the stock of United Airlines before the Sept. 11, terrorist attacks, according to a source familiar with the trades and market data.
“The uncollected money raises suspicions that the investors – whose identities and nationalities have not been made public – had advance knowledge of the strikes.” They don’t dare show up now. The suspension of trading for four days after the attacks made it impossible to cash-out quickly and claim the prize before investigators started looking.

“… October series options for UAL Corp. were purchased in highly unusual volumes three trading days before the terrorist attacks for a total outlay of $2,070; investors bought the option contracts, each representing 100 shares, for 90 cents each. [This represents 230,000 shares]. Those options are now selling at more than $12 each. There are still 2,313 so-called “put” options outstanding [valued at $2.77 million and representing 231,300 shares] according to the Options Clearinghouse Corp.”

“…The source familiar with the United trades identified Deutsche Bank Alex. Brown, the American investment banking arm of German giant Deutsche Bank, as the investment bank used to purchase at least some of these options…” This was the operation managed by Krongard until as recently as 1998.

As reported in other news stories, Deutsche Bank was also the hub of insider trading activity connected to Munich Re. just before the attacks.

Understanding the interrelationships between CIA and the banking and brokerage world is critical to grasping the already frightening implications of the above revelations. Let’s look at the history of CIA, Wall Street and the big banks by looking at some of the key players in CIA’s history.

Clark Clifford – The National Security Act of 1947 was written by Clark Clifford, a Democratic Party powerhouse, former Secretary of Defense, and one-time advisor to President Harry Truman. In the 1980s, as Chairman of First American Bancshares, Clifford was instrumental in getting the corrupt CIA drug bank BCCI a license to operate on American shores. His profession: Wall Street lawyer and banker.

John Foster and Allen Dulles – These two brothers “designed” the CIA for Clifford. Both were active in intelligence operations during WW II. Allen Dulles was the U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland where he met frequently with Nazi leaders and looked after U.S. investments in Germany. John Foster went on to become Secretary of State under Dwight Eisenhower and Allen went on to serve as CIA Director under Eisenhower and was later fired by JFK. Their professions: partners in the most powerful - to this day - Wall Street law firm of Sullivan, Cromwell.

Bill Casey – Ronald Reagan’s CIA Director and OSS veteran who served as chief wrangler during the Iran-Contra years was, under President Richard Nixon, Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission. His profession: Wall Street lawyer and stockbroker.

David Doherty - The current Vice President of the New York Stock Exchange for enforcement is the retired General Counsel of the Central Intelligence Agency.

George Herbert Walker Bush – President from 1989 to January 1993, also served as CIA Director for 13 months from 1976-7. He is now a paid consultant to the Carlyle Group, the 11th largest defense contractor in the nation, which also shares joint investments with the bin Laden family.

A.B. “Buzzy” Krongard – The current Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency is the former Chairman of the investment bank A.B. Brown and former Vice Chairman of Banker’s Trust.

John Deutch - This retired CIA Director from the Clinton Administration currently sits on the board at Citigroup, the nation’s second largest bank, which has been repeatedly and overtly involved in the documented laundering of drug money. This includes Citigroup’s 2001 purchase of a Mexican bank known to launder drug money, Banamex.

Nora Slatkin – This retired CIA Executive Director also sits on Citibank’s board.

Maurice “Hank” Greenburg – The CEO of AIG insurance, manager of the third largest capital investment pool in the world, was floated as a possible CIA Director in 1995. FTW exposed Greenberg’s and AIG’s long connection to CIA drug trafficking and covert operations in a two-part series that was interrupted just prior to the attacks of September 11. AIG’s stock has bounced back remarkably well since the attacks. To read that story, please go to http://www.copvcia.com/stories/part_2.html.

One wonders how much damning evidence is necessary to respond to what is now irrefutable proof that CIA knew about the attacks and did not stop them. Whatever our government is doing, whatever the CIA is doing, it is clearly NOT in the interests of the American people, especially those who died on September 11.

Yes, I know it's lengthy and a little off topic, but it just goes to show the CIA has their hands in everything. EVERYTHING. Nothing goes on in that white house unless they say so. Who killed Kennedy? THEY DID. There's even new footage released showing him being shot in the FRONT of the head, from three different angles (very gruesome) completely disproving any schoolbook depository theory. Surely, with mind control experiments in full swing at the time, Oswald was an easy operative/patsy. These bastards run it all from then until now. Clinton got busted in the oval office? Hmm, that kind of conduct has been going on there for DECADES...but why Clinton? He too was trying to limit the CIA's powers, hence why he was sidelined with the whole scandal...the nation would never support a motion like that from a man like him after that came to light. Everyone sees the vacant look in Bush's eyes, now you know who's pulling the strings. The CIA did it. The CIA did it. The CIA did it!

And that is who Killed Kennedy...plus you're all a little more enlightend to the political situation of the last forty years that has now gone out of control at the cost of countless thousands of lives domestically and overseas.

It should also be noted, that the infamous carlyle group, the one that profits most from any war or conflict, is owned by share by majority, by CIA members.

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What's that noise I hear?

Why, it's the first cuckoo of spring!

This isn't some roleplaying BS. Here's the straight FACTS.

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It should also be noted, that the infamous carlyle group, the one that profits most from any war or conflict, is owned by share by majority, by CIA members.
:eek:

*Puts on a tinfoil hat because the alien monsters from another dimension controlled by the CIA are trying to telepathically eat my brain*

I thought that they found cocaine:confused: anyway:)
Tobacco or Coca leaves. Can't remember which.
Probably both, as they were both revered by the S.Americans and thus would have been the perfect gift to bring back to the Egyptian rulers.

Tobacco or Coca leaves. Can't remember which.
Probably both, as they were both revered by the S.Americans and thus would have been the perfect gift to bring back to the Egyptian rulers.
I'm trying to visualize Pharaoh turning green with his first hit of tobacco or experiencing his first cocaine rush (I assume there's a head rush, I've never done that particular drug). :p

I'm trying to visualize Pharaoh turning green with his first hit of tobacco or experiencing his first cocaine rush (I assume there's a head rush, I've never done that particular drug). :p
It would explain the pyramids.

It would explain the pyramids.
And Egyptian art, all the sideways guys ...