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Say hello to the Planemos

Londim
04-08-2006, 15:12
Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5241774.stm)

A pair of strange new worlds that blur the boundaries between planets and stars have been discovered beyond our Solar System.
A few dozen such objects have been identified in recent years but this is the first set of "twins".

Dubbed "planemos", they circle each other rather than orbiting a star.

Their existence challenges current theories about the formation of planets and stars, astronomers report in the journal Science.

"This is a truly remarkable pair of twins - each having only about 1% the mass of our Sun," said Ray Jayawardhana of the University of Toronto, co-author of the Science paper.

"Its mere existence is a surprise, and its origin and fate a bit of a mystery."

'Double planet'

The pair belongs to what some astronomers believe is a new class of planet-like objects floating through space; so-called planetary mass objects, or "planemos", which are not bound to stars.

They appear to have been forged from a contracting gas cloud, in a similar way to stars, but are much too cool to be true stars.

And while they have similar masses to many of the giant planets discovered beyond our Solar System (the largest weighs in at 14 times the mass of Jupiter and the other is about seven times more massive), they are not thought to be true planets either.

"We are resisting the temptation to call it a 'double planet' because this pair probably didn't form the way that planets in our Solar System did," said co-researcher Valentin Ivanov of the European Southern Observatory (ESO) in Santiago, Chile.

'Amazing diversity'

The two objects have similar spectra and colours, suggesting that they formed at the same time about a million years ago.

They are separated by about six times the distance between the Sun and Pluto, and can be found in the Ophiuchus star-forming region some 400 light years away. They go under the official name Oph 162225-240515, or Oph 1622 for short.

"Recent discoveries have revealed an amazing diversity of worlds out there," said Dr Jayawardhana. "Still, the Oph 1622 pair stands out as one of the most intriguing, if not peculiar."

His colleague, Dr Ivanov, said they were curious to find out whether such pairs are common or rare.

"The answer could shed light on how free-floating planetary-mass objects form," he added.

Oph 1622 was discovered using the ESO's New Technology Telescope at La Silla, Chile. Follow-up studies were conducted with the ESO's Very Large Telescope.

They're not stars, they're not planets, they're planemos. On the boundaries of our solar system a 'Planemo' has been found. Basically a pair of planet like objects that orbit each other
Harlesburg
04-08-2006, 15:16
Bigger than Pluto?
Iztatepopotla
04-08-2006, 15:18
Hello, planemos!

(bigger than Jupiter)

Edit: The newly discovered planemos are not on the boundaries of our Solar System. They're about 400 light-years away.
Farnhamia
04-08-2006, 15:23
*waves to the Planemos* :D

Gee, I hope they don't have any oil.
AB Again
04-08-2006, 15:27
Article (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5241774.stm)



They're not stars, they're not planets, they're planemos. On the boundaries of our solar system a 'Planemo' has been found. Basically a pair of planet like objects that orbit each other

Not exactly on the boundary of our solar system - beyond, means outside of and not necessarily near to.

They are separated by about six times the distance between the Sun and Pluto, and can be found in the Ophiuchus star-forming region some 400 light years away.
source (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5241774.stm)


EDIT: Itz got there first.
The Aeson
04-08-2006, 15:39
Interesting. Not orbiting a sun probably means they're not warm enough to visit though, even if we ignore the gravitational problems of a planet bigger than Jupiter.
Infinite Revolution
04-08-2006, 15:55
*waves to the Planemos* :D

Gee, I hope they don't have any oil.
them darn planemonians better watch out if dey do.
Farnhamia
04-08-2006, 15:58
Interesting. Not orbiting a sun probably means they're not warm enough to visit though, even if we ignore the gravitational problems of a planet bigger than Jupiter.
Well, we could do a fly-by, I suppose. It could be a while before the pictures come back, though.
Londim
04-08-2006, 22:28
Okay so I was wrong about the boundary thing but still interesting
Cannot think of a name
04-08-2006, 22:52
It's the planet Mongo, Ming the Merciless is coming to concour us!!! Someone call Flash Gordon, he'llsaveeveryoneus!
Call to power
04-08-2006, 23:02
I assume that the objects follow each other round rather like a dog chasing its tail wouldn't this cause the objects to spiral together?

I wonder what the chances of life are there is bound to be some geological activity providing heat and I’m sure there wouldn’t be too much of a need for a magnetic field (of course the empire could of learned from its mistakes and built 2 death stars!)
Sumamba Buwhan
04-08-2006, 23:12
they finally found my home planets!

I'm coming home papa!
Harlesburg
05-08-2006, 15:10
Hello Planemos
Turquoise Days
05-08-2006, 15:23
Bigger than Pluto?
Pfft, Pluto is but a KBO.
Safalra
05-08-2006, 15:24
I assume that the objects follow each other round rather like a dog chasing its tail wouldn't this cause the objects to spiral together?
If the theory of relativity's correct then they'll very very slowly spiral inwards.

I wonder what the chances of life are there is bound to be some geological activity providing heat
At that size they'll be gas giants, and have nuclear fusion generating heat (but, like Jupiter and Saturn, not enough to cause a chain reaction and turn into a star).
Jeruselem
05-08-2006, 15:51
New astronomer joke - No Planemos (Problemo)! :p
Infinite Revolution
05-08-2006, 15:53
New astronomer joke - No Planemos (Problemo)! :p
whoever said astronomers were'nt funny, eh?
Farnhamia
05-08-2006, 15:55
whoever said astronomers were'nt funny, eh?
I laughed so hard I thought planemos were going to come out of my nose.:eek:
Infinite Revolution
05-08-2006, 16:06
I laughed so hard I thought planemos were going to come out of my nose.:eek:
exactly the right response, thank you :D :p
Iztatepopotla
05-08-2006, 18:09
Pfft, Pluto is but a KBO.
I like both their crunchy and secret recipe. Mmmm... crunchy....
Minaris
05-08-2006, 19:36
Pfft, Pluto is but a KBO.

Good news for Charon... it is promoted to a KBO!

And everyone knows KBOs are better than moons.:D
Farnhamia
05-08-2006, 19:38
Good news for Charon... it is promoted to a KBO!

And everyone knows KBOs are better than moons.:D
Oh, I dunno, I've seen a few moons I quite admire. :D Speaking of which, there's a very good article about the Solar System's moons in the current issue of Scientific American.
Minaris
05-08-2006, 19:39
Oh, I dunno, I've seen a few moons I quite admire. :D Speaking of which, there's a very good article about the Solar System's moons in the current issue of Scientific American.

Still... at least Charon is now an independent object... it no longer has to bow down to Luna :D .
Turquoise Days
05-08-2006, 19:48
Still... at least Charon is now an independent object... it no longer has to bow down to Luna :D .
Luna pwns all.