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Which DEAD US president was the worst? I say dead only to avoid the whole "Bush is satan. He's a bigger criminal than Sadaam, Osama, Stalin, and Hitler combined. He's evil because he's conservative. Wah wah wah." That tends to result. Hear that. You can't use:
Ford
Carter
either Bush
Clinton

Does brain-dead count?

Jackson. I hate that jackass.

Which DEAD US president was the worst? I say dead only to avoid the whole "Bush is satan. He's a bigger criminal than Sadaam, Osama, Stalin, and Hitler combined. He's evil because he's conservative. Wah wah wah." That tends to result. Hear that. You can't use:
Ford
Carter
either Bush
Clinton

Wow. Does that mean they are alive? ;)


Worst dead?

Warren G. Harding

Jackson. I hate that jackass.
To quote Frylock: "Man, we should have clones 20s. Jackson wouldn't have given a sh**"

Why does everyone have it in for Harding? Okay, there were some scandals, but otherwise he was a bit of a non-entity, and he did *some* okay stuff (Like the VA, speaking about civil-rights).

Arguably Wilson was far worse.

And my nomination is FDR. Good job with stalin buddy.

Ronald Reagan.

Warren G. Harding. Everybody hates him. Nobody's even heard of him. I hate his guts. That bastard.

Probably Van Buren; Jackson was pretty lousy as a President, but Van Buren combined his incompetence with elitism and that's just plain repulsive in a leader. It doesn't help that the economy collapsed under his administration due in part to his and Jackson's idiotic policies.

Probably Van Buren; Jackson was pretty lousy as a President, but Van Buren combined his incompetence with elitism and that's just plain repulsive in a leader. It doesn't help that the economy collapsed under his administration due in part to his and Jackson's idiotic policies.

Yes, but he gave us a great seinfeld episode. So that more than makes up for any deficiencies in office.

Why does everyone have it in for Harding? Okay, there were some scandals, but otherwise he was a bit of a non-entity, and he did *some* okay stuff (Like the VA, speaking about civil-rights).

Arguably Wilson was far worse.

If you've ever read America, you'll get it.

James Buchanan. In most administrations I can at least think of one accomplishment. Not in his.

Jackson or FDR

washington

Hmm, I would have to say the guy that came after Teddy Roosevelt. Forgot his name.

Hmm, I would have to say the guy that came after Teddy Roosevelt. Forgot his name.
300 lb Taft

I'm going to say Truman...

...MacArthur was wrong for wanting to nuke China, and clearly insubordinate, but I'll bet that had MacArthur still been a part of the Pentagon brass, we wouldn't have gotten involved in Vietnam.

Of course, Truman couldn't have known that ahead of time...but meh.

Wilson followed by Buchanan, Coolidge, Hoover, Fillmore, Jackson, LBJ and Nixon.

Wilson followed by Buchanan, Coolidge, Hoover, Fillmore, Jackson, LBJ and Nixon.

Why did you put Nixon in there? Beside the Watergate thing, Nixon was actually a pretty decent president. He opened trade with China, got us out of Vietnam, and all that stuff.

Why did you put Nixon in there? Beside the Watergate thing, Nixon was actually a pretty decent president. He opened trade with China, got us out of Vietnam, and all that stuff.
"Beside the Watergate thing" -- it was more than a burglary, son.

Dunno. Grant and Ike are up there. Jackson gets high points. Didn't like the guy who came before lincoln, either.

"Beside the Watergate thing" -- it was more than a burglary, son.

What was it then?

George Washington - without that man you USians would never have existed, or at least have been delayed.

*sound of rifle being chambered*
chling
cough
ECHO of rifle shot.
:sniper:

The assassin didn't expect to survive.

Now Bush II qualifies.

George Washington - without that man you USians would never have existed, or at least have been delayed.
Uh... wouldn't that have made him one of our best presidents? I mean, you said it yourself, the man did a good job as president and this thread is for people who do a bad job of leading the US.
*sound of rifle being chambered*
chling
cough
ECHO of rifle shot.


The assassin didn't expect to survive.

Now Bush II qualifies.
That would be the dumbest thing to do ever. You know why? Both Bush's saw that in order to protect themselves from assassins they needed Vice Presidents that people would be too afraid to have lead the nation. Bush 1 used Dan Quayle who has memorable quotes still known today. Bush 2 has Darth Cheney, the source of all evil in the universe. Frankly, I think that Bush 2 did a better job.:(

I would have to say Jackson.

No other President has been so set on genocide.

at one time, over 6 million Native Americans lived in the continental United States.

Now, less than 600,000.

Anyone care to guess who was more or less responsible for that?

I would have to say Jackson.

No other President has been so set on genocide.

at one time, over 6 million Native Americans lived in the continental United States.

Now, less than 600,000.

Anyone care to guess who was more or less responsible for that?

General Custer?

George Washington - without that man you USians would never have existed, or at least have been delayed.

he wasn't that important, despite the silly mythology that's sprung up around him

General Custer?


You mean General "Ehh..theres not that many of em" Custer?

Pfft...he was a dirtbag, who recieved a temporary field promotion to General, and then back down to Colonel.
He killed indians, yes, but his own arrogance and stupidity ended his life.

You mean General "Ehh..theres not that many of em" Custer?

Pfft...he was a dirtbag, who recieved a temporary field promotion to General, and then back down to Colonel.
He killed indians, yes, but his own arrogance and stupidity ended his life.

I bet the look on his face was priceless when he realized he was screwed. :D

William Henry Harrison.

He hardly did a god damn thing! Most ineffective President ever! :mad:

General Custer?

Yes, and Himmler was responsible for the Final Solution. Because its not the heads of military/dictators who make the desicion on genocide, but high ranking military officials instead.

he wasn't that important, despite the silly mythology that's sprung up around him


Mythology will spring up around any man as "great" as Washington.
Escpecially when they were crucial to the birth of a nation.

However, he was indeed, that important.

If nothing else, he was a strong leader.
That alone made him invaluable.

William Henry Harrison.

He hardly did a god damn thing! Most ineffective President ever! :mad:


Um...

Wasnt he the one, who got sick, and died shortly after his innauguration?

Hmm...

Lazy Elected Slacker!

Um...

Wasnt he the one, who got sick, and died shortly after his innauguration?

Hmm...

Lazy Elected Slacker!

30 days. Most of them spent in rapidly deteriorating health.

What a jerk! :p

I bet the look on his face was priceless when he realized he was screwed. :D


No..the look on your face, or mine would have been pricless....like "Awww FUCK!"

Im sure his was far, far more arrogant.

like "Im not afraid of these filthy savages" kinda thing.

Even though they outnumbered him like 100-1.

Um...

Wasnt he the one, who got sick, and died shortly after his innauguration?

Hmm...

Lazy Elected Slacker!

He was a great President. George Bush should have used him as an example of leadership and tried to emulate him.

30 days. Most of them spent in rapidly deteriorating health.

What a jerk! :p

See..the thing about that is, he was President for 30 DAYS....

If I called in sick for an entire WEEK..i'd get canned...

That schmuck called in for an entire MONTH...AND THEY STILL DIDNT FIRE HIS ASS!

Most US presidents were rendered fairly harmless by death. Only Kennedy seems to have accomplished more dead than alive *nods sagely*

He was a great President. George Bush should have used him as an example of leadership and tried to emulate him.
Please, and leave us at the mercy of DARTH CHENEY!?! I already posted on the strategy that the Bushs employ. No matter how bad we think they are, the vice president is worse(Dan Quayle for Bush 1, and Darth Cheney for Bush 2).

He was a great President. George Bush should have used him as an example of leadership and tried to emulate him.


If, by that, you mean "die of some wasting disease", Im afraid I cant agree.

However, if you meant.."die rapidly from Lumdifucious of the Rumpucky Oom."
Im all for it.

Please, and leave us at the mercy of DARTH CHENEY!?! I already posted on the strategy that the Bushs employ. No matter how bad we think they are, the vice president is worse(Dan Quayle for Bush 1, and Darth Cheney for Bush 2).


WHAT??

How can you NOT love Cheney??

If you would just take his hand, together, you can end this bloody conflict, and bring peace to the Galaxy!!!

Someone PLEASE think of the Galaxy!!

He was a great President. George Bush should have used him as an example of leadership and tried to emulate him.

:D

WHAT??

How can you NOT love Cheney??

If you would just take his hand, together, you can end this bloody conflict, and bring peace to the Galaxy!!!

Someone PLEASE think of the Galaxy!!

Since Cheney has actually been undead for years and been controlling Bush...

Cheney is already our worst dead President.

Since Cheney has actually been undead for years and been controlling Bush...

Cheney is already our worst dead President.


"Ralph Nader never told you what happened to your Father...."
-Darth Cheney.

See..the thing about that is, he was President for 30 DAYS....

If I called in sick for an entire WEEK..i'd get canned...

That schmuck called in for an entire MONTH...AND THEY STILL DIDNT FIRE HIS ASS!

His grandson was Benjamin Harrison, the one-term wonder. He sucked so badly they put Grover Cleveland back in the white house instead! :p

His grandson was Benjamin Harrison, the one-term wonder. He sucked so badly they put Grover Cleveland back in the white house instead! :p


Grover Cleveland had a very impressive "Sanfrancisco Car-Wash", if ya know what I mean....

Grover Cleveland had a very impressive "Sanfrancisco Car-Wash", if ya know what I mean....

I suspect I might. :p

I suspect I might. :p


Let me cement it for you...

it was on his lip.

Let me cement it for you...

it was on his lip.

I suspect correctly. :)

Worst dead president? Well.. As far as presidents are concerned, I consider death the great equalizer. Besides, out of respect for the dead, I think it's only fair to acknowledge that the former presidents are finally doing something they're good at.

Millard Fillmore

It's a toss-up between Lincoln and FDR.

Lincoln was a petty tyrant who manouvered the south into attacking first (just as FDR would do with the Japanese). He created the imperial presidency.

FDR cemented the imperial presidency by implementing a horde of socialist shit in the US.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt

The Welfare State (social "security," the "New Deal")
New leaps and bounds in business regulation (thereby necessitating new leaps and bounds in the drive for business to develop a close relationship with the state in self-defense, a [questionable] lesser evil creating one far greater...)
The Bretton Woods System (helping to establish U.S. global economic hegemony, yet more inroads for dependence and exploitation of the state by business interests and the wealthy elite)
Mass imprisonment of Japanese-Americans, allowing the concentration camp to touch American soil.
Having the gall, in light of all the above, to pretend to be of liberal, progressive, or democratic persuasion.


TR (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Roosevelt) is a close second.

REAGAN REAGAN REAGAN REAGAN REAGAN!

He can't hurt us any more ... he's in hell now.

I only wish I believed in hell so I could beat off to the thought of his suffering.

REAGAN REAGAN REAGAN REAGAN REAGAN!

He can't hurt us any more ... he's in hell now.

I only wish I believed in hell so I could beat off to the thought of his suffering.

Lovely... :rolleyes:

Jackson.
Did more to hurt and kill Native Americans out of xenophobia and than other US president before or since.

When the Supreme Court declared his genocidal actions not only illegal, but completely unconstitutional, he ignored the Supreme Court.

I'm sure most of you hate Nixon. However, his only proveable crime in Watergate was the coverup. If Watergate never happened, you guys would think of him more as a saint than as Satan himself.

Whichever President began this trend of starting military conflicts without any idea what the hell your objectives are. Eisenhower, maybe?

Warren G. Harding. Everybody hates him. Nobody's even heard of him. I hate his guts. That bastard.

I still stand by my statement.

I would have to say Jackson.

No other President has been so set on genocide.

at one time, over 6 million Native Americans lived in the continental United States.

Now, less than 600,000.

Anyone care to guess who was more or less responsible for that?
Relgious people with supposed moral superiority?

Jackson dislodged Indians because he believe they could not survive in the Union.

Except the Seminoles. Apparantly you just dont piss off the man with bullets in him.

Relgious people with supposed moral superiority?

Jackson dislodged Indians because he believe they could not survive in the Union.

Except the Seminoles. Apparantly you just dont piss off the man with bullets in him.
I thought it was just because he was a racist fuck who believed in manifest destiny, which is the idea that the US should stretch from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean.

Jackson.
Did more to hurt and kill Native Americans out of xenophobia and than other US president before or since.

When the Supreme Court declared his genocidal actions not only illegal, but completely unconstitutional, he ignored the Supreme Court.
Other than Washington. Or Jerfferson. Or Monroe.


The SCOTUS declared the actions of Georgia illegal. Jackson told them to enforce it.

I'm not saying he wasnt a Native-hating bastard, but he had his reasons.

I thought it was just because he was a racist fuck who believed in manifest destiny, which is the idea that the US should stretch from the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean.
He cared little about Manifest Destiny, else why would he offer the Native Americans land owned by the government?

Like I said, he believed that Native Americans could not keep their ways if they fell uner the rule of the Union.

Herbert Hoover. Provided the base for creeping socialism, inflation and recession in America through central bank credit expansion, massive public works, tax increases, high tariffs, and providing the base for FDR's leftist programs, and somehow the jackass is remembered as a "laissez-faire" president and his legacy is bizarrely used to discredit the free market. Definitely the worst president ever.

he wasn't that important, despite the silly mythology that's sprung up around him

Actually Washington was very important as he filled a vital and critical role in our nation's history. He had the ability to shape the new nation with evey word, act and deed. And while history will never actually admit this out loud, he did the greatest thing anyone in that era ever did. He kept his mouth SHUT.

He refused to side with any political party (that pretty much died with him). He only took two terms of office (an unwritten law that lasted until WWII when the breaking of it created a constitutional amendment). He adopted a number of practices that later presidents would continue to follow for decades, if not centuries.

And he almost got away with the biggest scam by the founding fathers to our country two times in a row. That scam was when he told the continenal congress that he would not work as General for a sallery, just for expenses. George Washington, it is often joked slept everywhere, but where ever he stayed, he sent congress the bill. The US congress insisted that The General (Washington was always known as "The General" even when he was president) be paid a sallery because otherwise it would bankrupt the nation.

Tough one. There are bad things anyone could say about every President, Washington and Lincoln included, if one dug up enough literature on the subject. It was a very tough vote:
Buchanan, Pierce, and Tyler: Democratic puppets meant to compromise with the Southern slave states.
Andrew Johnson: Should never have been President.
Nixon: Watergate goes without saying.
Harding: not necessarily bad, but his Cabinet was awful.
Coolidge and Hoover: didn't take care of the economy, but only few at that time actually knew how the economy worked.
Roosevelt: could have dealt with Europe sooner, but he observed public opinion and faced domestic issues.

My vote went to Andrew Jackson, however, for the reason given: he was America's first dictator, acting on the mandate of the people. He and his successor, Van Buren, were idiots thinking that they could destroy the Bank of the United States, and that it wouldn't affect teh country at all, aht local banks could handle it.

The only thing I can really give Jackson credit for is standing up to the slaveholding South during the South Carolina Nullification Crisis. Tip of the hat.

"Warren G. Harding: Our Worst President"
by Stephen Colbert

Historians debate feverishly over who is the best president in American history. However, there is little disagreement over who was the worst. His name was Warren G. Harding (1921-1923), and he sucked.

The reasons why he sucked are many and, to be truthful, have been widely catalogued in the annals of presidential history. So, with your indulgence, I'd like to focus instead on the intensity of his sucking. Warren G. Harding was a worthless pice of shit. Fuck him. His presidency was a taint, not just in the sense of a "stain on the office," but literally a taint - the anatomical area between the anus and the testicles.

I hate Warren G. Harding.

:D

"Warren G. Harding: Our Worst President"
by Stephen Colbert

Historians debate feverishly over who is the best president in American history. However, there is little disagreement over who was the worst. His name was Warren G. Harding (1921-1923), and he sucked.

The reasons why he sucked are many and, to be truthful, have been widely catalogued in the annals of presidential history. So, with your indulgence, I'd like to focus instead on the intensity of his sucking. Warren G. Harding was a worthless pice of shit. Fuck him. His presidency was a taint, not just in the sense of a "stain on the office," but literally a taint - the anatomical area between the anus and the testicles.

I hate Warren G. Harding.

:D

Finally someone got it!