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## As usual both sides keep claiming Victory..

OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 19:31
*Looks for Occeandrives next thread*

Israeli chopper crew 'surrounded'
August 2, 2006 - 11:21AM
Israel launched a major attack deep into Lebanon early today, and Hezbollah said its guerrillas were fighting Israeli commandos on the ground in a hospital near the north eastern town of Baalbek.

"A group of Israeli commandos was brought to the hospital by a helicopter. They entered the hospital and are trapped inside as our fighters opened fire on them and fierce fighting is still raging," Hezbollah spokesman Hussein Rahal told The Associated Press.

Hezbollah's Al-Manar TV reported the fighting was taking place in the Al-Hikma Hospital west of Baalbek.

The Israeli army would not comment.

The internet website of the Israeli daily Haaretz reported that "Helicopters put down IDF commandos near Baalbek," without adding details.

Some witnesses said that the hospital had been hit in an Israeli airstrike, and was burning.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/08/02/1154198172196.html

my2cents: As usual both sides keep claiming Victory.. Yes I know its already on the title.. but I must comply with Forum rules.
Kecibukia
02-08-2006, 19:34
So you support the claims made by Hezbollah leaders claiming they shot Isreali soldiers in the back?

Where's the thread condemning Hezbollah for targetting Isreali civilian populations w/ illegally obtained weapons?
IDF
02-08-2006, 19:37
I'd believe the word of a democracy that must answer to its people over a terrorist group that's TV station is nothing more than a propaganda network.
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 19:37
Where's the thread condemning Hezbollah for targetting Isreali civilian populations w/ illegally obtained weapons?You are free to start such a stupid thread and.. if you invite me to comment... I will eventually do. (I am very busy.. but I shall find time for your request)
Alleghany County
02-08-2006, 19:38
Israeli chopper crew 'surrounded'
August 2, 2006 - 11:21AM
Israel launched a major attack deep into Lebanon early today, and Hezbollah said its guerrillas were fighting Israeli commandos on the ground in a hospital near the north eastern town of Baalbek.

"A group of Israeli commandos was brought to the hospital by a helicopter. They entered the hospital and are trapped inside as our fighters opened fire on them and fierce fighting is still raging," Hezbollah spokesman Hussein Rahal told The Associated Press.

And do you actually believe that the Israeli soldiers are trapped inside the hospital and that fierce fighting is still going on?

The Israeli army would not comment.

They are probably laughing their heads off.
Kecibukia
02-08-2006, 19:40
You are free to start such a thread and.. if you invite me to comment... I will eventually do. (I am very busy.. but I shall find time for your request)

I've made numerous invitations for you to comment on the illegal weapons shipments to Hezbollah from Iran and Syria and their violations of UN resolutions as well as Hezbollah attacking Isreali civilians over the years. You've ignored them and selectively replied to quotes containing them just like this reply from you.
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 19:42
And do you actually believe that the Israeli soldiers are trapped inside the hospital and that fierce fighting is still going on?as stated often enough... I do not trust the sources directly involved in the conflict.. untill I see proof. (proof that can satisfy me)
Alleghany County
02-08-2006, 19:45
as stated often enough... I do not trust the sources directly involved in the conflict.. untill I see proof. (proof that can satisfy me)

I guess then that you missed the thread that actually talked about this assault then?
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 19:46
I've made numerous invitations for you to comment on the illegal weapons shipments to Hezbollah from Iran and Syria ...and I told you enough times that in my book.. (For as long as Bush is shipping shitloads of Weapons to the Israli army) They are not Illegal.

It is only fair for the other side to get weapons too.
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 19:48
I guess then that you missed the thread that actually talked about this assault then?there is another OP.. that highlites the hezbollah version of events?

would you provide a LINK
Deep Kimchi
02-08-2006, 19:49
and I told you enough times that in my book.. (For as long as Bush is shipping shitloads of Weapons to the Israli army) They are not Illegal.

It is only fair for the other side to get weapons too.

Actually, fairness has nothing to do with it.

There is a UN resolution mandating the disarming of Hezbollah.

So Hezbollah had better get with the program, or Israel will disarm them by force.
Alleghany County
02-08-2006, 19:49
and I told you enough times that in my book.. (For as long as Bush is shipping shitloads of Weapons to the Israli army) They are not Illegal.

It is only fair for the other side to get weapons too.

Despite the fact that under 1559, it is illegal to do so? Under the UN Security Council Resolutions carry the full weight of International Law and are binding upon all UN Member states. Since Syria and Iran are both violating UN Resolution 1559, they are violating International Law.
Alleghany County
02-08-2006, 19:50
there is another OP.. that highlites the hezbollah version of events?

would you provide a LINK

It shows the attack from what view point, I will leave that up to you. Give me a second to find that link.
Kecibukia
02-08-2006, 19:51
and I told you enough times that in my book.. (For as long as Bush is shipping shitloads of Weapons to the Israli army) They are not Illegal.

It is only fair for the other side to get weapons too.

So you oppose the UN resolution to disarm Hezbollah, refuse to condemn those in violation of it, yet condemn the US for vetoing UN resolutions against Isreal.

And you continue to refuse to comment on the ongoing attacks against Isreali civilians that was occuring even before this particular conflict started.

Thank you for admitting you're a hypocrit.
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 19:51
So Hezbollah had better get with the program, or Israel will disarm them by force.when?

when kosher food flies :D
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 19:53
It shows the attack from what view point, I will leave that up to you. Give me a second to find that link.you need one ?

I give you 120.
Alleghany County
02-08-2006, 19:56
Hezbollah Owned (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494519)

This was the link I was talking about.
Deep Kimchi
02-08-2006, 19:57
What's funny is that Hezbollah, like the Iraqi Information Minister, denies that any of their men were captured, deny that the hospital was taken by the IDF, and insist that all IDF soldiers killed in that battle were shot in the back while running away.

Hezbollah got pwned, and can't even admit it.
Alleghany County
02-08-2006, 19:59
What's funny is that Hezbollah, like the Iraqi Information Minister, denies that any of their men were captured, deny that the hospital was taken by the IDF, and insist that all IDF soldiers killed in that battle were shot in the back while running away.

Hezbollah got pwned, and can't even admit it.

I did notice he ignored my post in regards to UN Resolutions and International Law. Is he always like this?
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 20:02
So you oppose the UN resolution to disarm Hezbollah...Not really So you.. refuse to condemn those in violation .for as long as I see Israel as the agressor.So you.. condemn the US for vetoing UN resolutions against Isreal.Of course I do
So you.. continue to refuse to comment ...maybe you need a tape recorder or something.. that records my answers..
Thank you for admitting you're a hypocrit.you people have been calling me terrorist/Nazi/fascist/antisemite/.. no its only "hypocrit".. pffff.. you guys are getting weak.. You guys need more viagra or something :D
Deep Kimchi
02-08-2006, 20:02
I did notice he ignored my post in regards to UN Resolutions and International Law. Is he always like this?
Yes. Give Ocean a few minutes.

Either he'll resort to calling you a "jew-lover" or he'll stop posting in this thread and make a new one bashing Israel.

He won't ever answer your question if it makes him look stupid.
Kecibukia
02-08-2006, 20:02
I did notice he ignored my post in regards to UN Resolutions and International Law. Is he always like this?

Yes. Notice there is also a lack of comment on Hezbollah targetting Isreali civilians even before the conflict.
Alleghany County
02-08-2006, 20:04
Yes. Notice there is also a lack of comment on Hezbollah targetting Isreali civilians even before the conflict.

Yes I did kind of noticed that.
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 20:04
Hezbollah Owned (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494519)

This was the link I was talking about.does not cut it.

read my post agian.. S-L-O-W-L-Y this time.

there is another OP.. that highlites the hezbollah version of events?

would you provide a LINK
Kecibukia
02-08-2006, 20:06
Not reallyfor as long as I see Israel as the agressor.Of course I domaybe you need a tape recorder or something.. that records my answers..you people have been calling me terrorist/Nazi/fascist/antisemite/.. no its only "hypocrit".. pffff.. you guys are getting weak.. You guys need more viagra or something :D

Selectively responding again.

You are a hypocrit if you condemn the US for opposing UN resolutions yet support countries violating UN resolutions.

You now admit "you see" Isreal as the agressor when it has been Hezbollah launching rockets at civilian centers for years and making cross border raids to violate international law by kidnapping soldiers and holding them for ransom.

Now you get to show me where I called you a "terrorist/Nazi/fascist/antisemite/".

I called you a hypocrit and you proved it. Again.

Keep up the good work.
Kecibukia
02-08-2006, 20:07
does not cut it.

read my post agian.. S-L-O-W-L-Y this time.

Right. Your post said to your satisfaction. That will only include articles condemning Isreal.
Deep Kimchi
02-08-2006, 20:07
Keep up the good work.

*high fives Kecibukia*
Alleghany County
02-08-2006, 20:08
does not cut it.

read my post agian.. S-L-O-W-L-Y this time.

And why does it not cut it? Because it does not agree with your notion of what happened? So far you have quoted nobody but Hezbollah and when shown a link from the other side you say it does not cut it?

Why does it not cut it?
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 20:09
Yes. Give Ocean a few minutes.Veterans like DK do know that I am multitasking.. so yes it can take time.
sometimes I will only be able to anser the next day.. (If you need instant answers.. all the time.. you will have to look elsewhere)

Yes Israely civilians are killed all the time.. what is your point K?
Deep Kimchi
02-08-2006, 20:11
Veterans like DK do know that I am multitasking.. so yes it can take time.
sometimes I will only be able to anser the next day.. (If you need instant answers.. all the time.. you will have to look elsewhere)

Yes Israely civilians are killed all the time.. what is your point K?

No, quote my whole post:

Yes. Give Ocean a few minutes.

Either he'll resort to calling you a "jew-lover" or he'll stop posting in this thread and make a new one bashing Israel.

He won't ever answer your question if it makes him look stupid.
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 20:12
That will only include articles condemning Isreal.Like I said before..

The less biased Media.. is the Media not directly involved in the Conflict.

Hezbollah media , Iranian media, Syrian media, etc.. are very biased.. because they are very involved.
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 20:14
Now you get to show me where I called you a "terrorist/Nazi/fascist/antisemite/".
.read my post again.. S-L-O-W-L-Y this time.
Psychotic Mongooses
02-08-2006, 20:15
Yay for Propaganda!!
*gets out pom poms*
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 20:28
Yay for Propaganda!!
*gets out pom poms*:D

yup.. propaganda is the name.

later All.. going AFK
Kecibukia
02-08-2006, 20:28
Veterans like DK do know that I am multitasking.. so yes it can take time.
sometimes I will only be able to anser the next day.. (If you need instant answers.. all the time.. you will have to look elsewhere)

Yes Israely civilians are killed all the time.. what is your point K?

My point is you refuse to condemn those countries in violation of UN resolutions who are arming this recognized terrorist group, claim Isreal is the agressor when it's Hezbollah who has instigated this conflict as well as continued targetting of Isreali civilians and then selectively respond to posts.
Kecibukia
02-08-2006, 20:33
read my post again.. S-L-O-W-L-Y this time.

You:

you people have been calling me terrorist/Nazi/fascist/antisemite/.. no its only "hypocrit".. pffff.. you guys are getting weak.. You guys need more viagra or something

This was responding to me.

You said I called you those things.

Now you get to show me where.

And, as usual, you only responded to one section of the post, ignoring everything else.
OcceanDrive
02-08-2006, 21:16
You:

you people have been calling me terrorist/Nazi/fascist/antisemite/.. no its only "hypocrit".. pffff.. you guys are getting weak.. You guys need more viagra or something."You people".. "You guys"..

It means a group of people (It is not all about you.. ;) )

\\going AFK.. again. \\
Kecibukia
02-08-2006, 21:22
"You people".. "You guys"..

It means a group of people (It is not all about you.. ;) )

\\going AFK.. again. \\

So now you're saying you weren't including me in that group when responding to my post?

You also claim that Isreal is the agressor when it was Hezbollah who raided Isreal and violated international law as well as continued targetting of civilians even before that.

You support illegal weapons transfers to a recognized terrorist organization because you "don't agree w/ it" yet condemn the US for vetoing UN resolutions.

Now let's see what parts are selectively responded to.