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Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?

*shrug* A punch in the face? Works well sometimes. Or maybe stabbing with a pen.

I don't have the slightest idea. One of the big questions of my life, really. Poeple like that leave me speechless and appalled.

It's one of the few negative character features I actually for a change don't have myself, so I can only stand before it and throw up my hands in exasperation.
I have no idea what makes these people tick. And honestly? I'm not sure I would even want to know.

I don't have the slightest idea. One of the big questions of my life, really. Poeple like that leave me speechless and appalled.

It's one of the few negative character features I actually for a change don't have myself, so I can only stand before it and throw my hands up. I have no idea what makes these people tick. And honestly? I'm not sure I would even want to know.

Well, maybe we can try capturing one and hypnotizing them.

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?

Some people are like that. They choose to act that way for no other reason other than it comes easy to them, and makes them feel better about them selves to put others down.

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?
Most people that hurt others are either hurting also or hiding insecurities.

Well, maybe we can try capturing one and hypnotizing them.

That only works with morons. You could probably do it to Chuck Norris. He's a total jackass and a moron.

Most people that hurt others are either hurting also or hiding insecurities.
It's a game of misdirection. It's a lot less likely someone else is going to spot your vulnerabilities if they're already nursing their own.

That only works with morons. You could probably do it to Chuck Norris. He's a total jackass and a moron.

I imagine the consensus is that they're all morons. And I don't believe the stuff they tell you about how they're hiding insecurities of their own.

It's a game of misdirection. It's a lot less likely someone else is going to spot your vulnerabilities if they're already nursing their own.

I spotted them anyway... that wasn't too difficult.
Doesn't make it any better for me, though.

It's a game of misdirection. It's a lot less likely someone else is going to spot your vulnerabilities if they're already nursing their own.
Yeah? Well you're ugly.

I mean...*cough* That's what I was saying. I'm pretty good at other forms of misdirection. I just change the subject.

I spotted them anyway... that wasn't too difficult.
Doesn't make it any better for me, though.
I never said they were good at it, or that it would make you feel better to see it. People like that aren't worth your time. For that matter, start ignoring me. I'm usually a jerk.

my aunt is one of those people, it's been said by doctors that she is a sadist and a sociopath, so basically she knows she is hurting you, she likes it, and she can't see why that is a bad thing.

once she threw her cup of coffee at a waitress because she refilled it half way up when she came by with out asking and it "messed up her cream to coffee ratio"

:mad: I don't speak to her anymore.

It's fun.

It's that simple.

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?
Perhaps it makes them feel superior or dominant. I suspect that, like most personality traits, it has a genetic component.

Sorry for whatever happened to prompt you to say this, hon. ( HUG )

Yeah? Well you're ugly.

I mean...*cough* That's what I was saying. I'm pretty good at other forms of misdirection. I just change the subject.
I know I am, but what're you?:p

I'm a master of misdirection. Most don't even realize I've changed the subject. Or if they do, they can't seem to stop me.

I know I am, but what're you?:p

I'm a master of misdirection. Most don't even realize I've changed the subject. Or if they do, they can't seem to stop me.

Pff. Are not. :p

Sorry for whatever happened to prompt you to say this, hon. ( HUG )


Thanks. :fluffle:

Pff. Are not. :p
Say what you like. It makes no difference to me.

Thanks. :fluffle:
I got a fluffle, I got a fluffle. :D

Jerks exist because of their upbringing. Some are jerks who think they are better than others, others exist because they fell they aren't respected and some just exist because they can

Jerks exist because of their upbringing. Some are jerks who think they are better than others, others exist because they fell they aren't respected and some just exist because they can
That's a simplistic view of it. You fail.

Unhappy, low self esteem, Suffer from the inside. So hitting on the weak make them feel better.

On the other hand it is said that "those who have suffered, understand suffering"

I remember back in school, learning about a "moral ladder" that would classify people's behavior depending on why you would choose to act good:

1) Because you fear the legal consequence
2) Because you fear the social repression (people would etiquette you as a jerk)
3)The old saying "don't make to other what you wouldn't like to them to do to you"
4) Empathy, you can figure other people don't have the same value as you, and therefore, in some way adapt your behavior to them.

This thread is full of theories, but not enough fluffles... :P

:fluffle: :fluffle: I really am sorry about whatever's happened to make you feel this way, and I'm always a TG away if you want to talk :fluffle:

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?
a false sense of self-worth that can only be kept afloat by putting others down.

people just suck in general

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?

I've had experience of this. I tried reasoning with one of the people who were doing it to me, but they just said something like "you can't reason with us" (it was a group of people who were doing it to me) and just carried on, not caring how much pain they caused. They even got me to the stage where I wanted to beat the living daylights out of all of them, I was that angry (and upset). But eventually I just decided to rise above it. They can insult me all they want, but I now believe it's just because of their own inadequecies - they know I'm smarter than them, and that I have the courage to state my opinion even if it's different from everyone else's, so they try to belittle me to make themselves feel better.

I was once talking to a drunk guy who was basically slagging off anyone who believes in God, in a really derogatory way. I started to get angry, but then decided to go for a different approach. I can't remember exactly what I said, but every time he slagged off those who believe in God, I said something along the lines of "that's fine, if believing that helps you to feel better then you're entitled to believe it" or "if that helps you feel better to believe that, then you're entitled to believe that" (not exactly the same every time, but along those lines). It worked like a charm, and I felt so happy that I came out on top without even trying. Give it a try :)

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?Some people like spreading misery. It's called sadism.

my aunt is one of those people, it's been said by doctors that she is a sadist and a sociopath, so basically she knows she is hurting you, she likes it, and she can't see why that is a bad thing.

once she threw her cup of coffee at a waitress because she refilled it half way up when she came by with out asking and it "messed up her cream to coffee ratio"

:mad: I don't speak to her anymore.

Cream to Coffee ratio? HAHA. Brilliant!

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?

Life's tough. Those kinda people kinda gives you a practice for a tough day. Like a day when you find out you've got cancer (god forbid). You've gotta be strong.

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?

Sometimes it's funny. :)

Sometimes it's funny. :)
I will actually agree with that.

Although I'm a big fan of the underdog. I like to take on the bigwigs that crush others. It's fun to make them squirm while everyone laughs at them for a change.

I will actually agree with that.

Although I'm a big fan of the underdog. I like to take on the bigwigs that crush others. It's fun to make them squirm while everyone laughs at them for a change.

Nowadays, I tend to torment most the people who have the greatest senses of humor over it. But that wasn't always so. When I was younger, my favorite people to mess with were the ones who laughed the least. Of course eveybody else would laugh, which was the point. I'm not exactly sure when that change in me occurred. Was it a sudden growth in maturity? I don't know, but I certainly hope it doesn't happenn too often. :p

What I hate most about those types is that it's far too easy for them to upset me to the point where I sink to their level. I really don't like that part of myself. :(

That's a simplistic view of it. You fail.

Oh I fail:( I need a fluffle

Oh I fail:( I need a fluffle

There you go :fluffle:

There you go :fluffle:

Hooray :fluffle: One for you too

What I hate most about those types is that it's far too easy for them to upset me to the point where I sink to their level. I really don't like that part of myself. :(
AAAAAH! AAAAAAH! AAAAAAH!


ok, your turn...

This thread is full of theories, but not enough fluffles... :P

:fluffle: :fluffle: I really am sorry about whatever's happened to make you feel this way, and I'm always a TG away if you want to talk :fluffle:

Thanks for the offer... I just TGed you :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Thanks for the offer... I just TGed you :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

Is revenge an option? :)

Is revenge an option? :)

I can't really think of anything... how do you revenge online?

I can't really think of anything... how do you revenge online?

Well, that depends greatly on how far you're willing to go, the nature of the offense, the depth of your vengeful nature, how much information you have on your victim and how good you are with a computer.

If we are talking about the reltively anonymous identities you find in forums like this, you'd have to be pretty good with a computer to dig up enough information to really plan a decent revenge.

I can't really think of anything... how do you revenge online?

Learn to hack and send viruses!!!!!!!! I so wish I could hack!!!! ;)
:fluffle:

Learn to hack and send viruses!!!!!!!! I so wish I could hack!!!! ;)
:fluffle:

Viruses are so...impersonal.

Much better to get personal information(addresses and bank accounts) and subscribe him or her to.... inappropriate magazines.

Now here's the best part: You send some subscriptions to your victim, and you send some to his or her neighbors with the victim's name on it. That way the neighbors think the victim's perverse periodicals were simply mis-addressed. :D

Viruses are so...impersonal.

Much better to get personal information(addresses and bank accounts) and subscribe him or her to.... inappropriate magazines.

Now here's the best part: You send some subscriptions to your victim, and you send some to his or her neighbors with the victim's name on it. That way the neighbors think the victim's perverse periodicals were simply mis-addressed. :D
You have a gift.

Viruses are so...impersonal.

Much better to get personal information(addresses and bank accounts) and subscribe him or her to.... inappropriate magazines.

Now here's the best part: You send some subscriptions to your victim, and you send some to his or her neighbors with the victim's name on it. That way the neighbors think the victim's perverse periodicals were simply mis-addressed. :D

WOW! You are both wize and twisted! You're my new hero ;)

p.s remind me NEVER to upset you! or maybe I should..... could do with some ummmm 'reading' material'!!!!!! :D

You have a gift.

I am the Michelangelo of Mischief. :cool:

I am the Michelangelo of Mischief. :cool:
Or the Rainman...:cool:

Or the Rainman...:cool:

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm an excellent prankster.

Yeah.


:)

Yeah.

Yeah. I'm an excellent prankster.

Yeah.


:)
Yeah, definitely. Def-def-definitely a prankster.

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?


Name names! I agree its mean. There are only a few here who are like that. Don't worry Cabra, you rock!

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
it's often because they hurt and want others to hurt



Toltec wisdom written by Don Miguel Ruiz:

DON’T TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY

Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.

people just suck in generalQFT.

Thanks for the offer... I just TGed you :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
TGed back :) :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
(i'm in a weird mood, and i always reply to stuff bit by bit so it's not very well written... but hopefully it'll be some minor use :P either way, i care and am always here :))

This thread is full of theories, but not enough fluffles... :P

:fluffle: :fluffle: I really am sorry about whatever's happened to make you feel this way, and I'm always a TG away if you want to talk :fluffle:
:fluffle:'s it is. :fluffle:

Life's tough. Those kinda people kinda gives you a practice for a tough day. Like a day when you find out you've got cancer (god forbid). You've gotta be strong.
No, I don't think it helped when we found out my grandfather had cancer. That's a different sort of strength.

I will actually agree with that.

Although I'm a big fan of the underdog. I like to take on the bigwigs that crush others. It's fun to make them squirm while everyone laughs at them for a change.
I've done that. Loads of fun to make them feel completely worthless.:D

Oh I fail:( I need a fluffle
:fluffle:
<.<

Thanks for the offer... I just TGed you :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Don't forget to have me elaborate. :fluffle:

I can't really think of anything... how do you revenge online?
Trust me, you don't really want to go for revenge. It's a terrible thing. I don't want you to become the monster I was once. :fluffle:

QFT.
:confused:

TGed back :) :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
(i'm in a weird mood, and i always reply to stuff bit by bit so it's not very well written... but hopefully it'll be some minor use :P either way, i care and am always here :))
That you care and try is enough, I'm sure. :)

:fluffle:

:confused:
Quoted for truth....because it was true....and he quoted it....for truth....:p

That you care and try is enough, I'm sure. :)

:fluffle:
I hope so... and I hope that applies with other people too....
:fluffle: :fluffle:

I hope so... and I hope that applies with other people too....
:fluffle: :fluffle:
:fluffle: :)

Quoted for truth....because it was true....and he quoted it....for truth....:p

For great justice?

I hope so... and I hope that applies with other people too....
:fluffle: :fluffle:
It's Cabra. She'll appreciate it.:) It's all I'd ever dare to hope for, but I know you never disappoint....At least not in my experience.:p :fluffle:

For great justice?
Yes and no.

Quoted for truth....because it was true....and he quoted it....for truth....:p


hah!

I always thought that meant "Quite Fucking True"

It's Cabra. She'll appreciate it.:) It's all I'd ever dare to hope for, but I know you never disappoint....At least not in my experience.:p :fluffle:
Heh, I'd love for that to be true.... :fluffle:
Thanks :)

(and Huw, : :fluffle: :fluffle: I do care and try... more than with anything else and I'll never stop. I love you and I'll always do my best, even if it isn't enough :fluffle:)



So, in this thread where the world is supposed to be full of shitty people... I'm a non-shitty one? Hurrah! I'm special... :P

hah!

I always thought that meant "Quite Fucking True"
Pretty much the same thing.:D

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?
hmmm
GOD I HATE YOUR THREADS

Heh, I'd love for that to be true.... :fluffle:
Thanks :)

(and Huw, : :fluffle: :fluffle: I do care and try... more than with anything else and I'll never stop. I love you and I'll always do my best, even if it isn't enough :fluffle:)



So, in this thread where the world is supposed to be full of shitty people... I'm a non-shitty one? Hurrah! I'm special... :P
It's close enough to true. :fluffle:

hmmm
GOD I HATE YOUR THREADS
*pushes you onto a busy highway*

hmmm
GOD I HATE YOUR THREADS

so then why not avoid them completely?

*pushes you onto a busy highway*

*cheers and helps FD hide from the po po*

*cheers and helps FD hide from the po po*
Thanks. Never can do that enough times. *brushes off hands*

All the smiley spam made my eyes blow up in their sockets. Thanks.

All the smiley spam made my eyes blow up in their sockets. Thanks.


:p :fluffle: ;)

It's close enough to true. :fluffle:
:)

(I wish I could feel that way right now....)

As for the OP:

I don't know, and I've been wondering myself from time to time. :)

All the smiley spam made my eyes blow up in their sockets. Thanks.
Anytime, sweet stuff.:D :fluffle: :fluffle:

Just finished reading through the last few pages.... thanks, all of you :)

I almost felt like I drowned in fluffles, and that's a really good feeling! :D

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:

:p :fluffle: ;)
:D

:)

(I wish I could feel that way right now....)
I won't let you feel any less about yourself. You know it to be true. :fluffle:

Just finished reading through the last few pages.... thanks, all of you :)

I almost felt like I drowned in fluffles, and that's a really good feeling! :D

:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Almost enough to make you gag, isn't it? *winking smiley*

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?
Because it makes me feel good.

Because it makes me feel good.
Find a new past-time.:rolleyes:

Almost enough to make you gag, isn't it? *winking smiley*

:eek:

*giggle

*blush


Almost. Not quite. ;)

Find a new past-time.:rolleyes:
Pass time? It's more like an opportunity-based thing.

:eek:

*giggle

*blush


Almost. Not quite. ;)
Maybe we'll remedy that sometime. Not today, but sometime.;)

I'll call it a problem of Insufficiantly large monkeysphere. (http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/monkeysphere.html)

Gawd musta done something wrong when s/he placed jerks into this world.

I won't let you feel any less about yourself. You know it to be true. :fluffle:
No. I don't.
:fluffle:

No. I don't.
:fluffle:

I personally think very highly of you and PM

you are awesome peoples and deserve great happiness and should know it!!!!

No. I don't.
:fluffle:
Somewhere between us is the balance that is you.:p :fluffle:

I personally think very highly of you and PM

you are awesome peoples and deserve great happiness and should know it!!!!
See? See, Glizty!? Told you.:p

I personally think very highly of you and PM

you are awesome peoples and deserve great happiness and should know it!!!!
Thank you :) :fluffle: :fluffle:

Feeling fragile and tired and drained... but feeling better after talks with Huw, and am determined to help myself cope with things better and boost my self-confidence and make it stronger and more stable. I know I'm a strong, capable person with great willpower and determination. I want to do this mainly for myself, but also largely so I can be there for Huw when he needs me, rather than falling apart and hurting the both of us.

He means the world to me, and we have a fantastic relationship, and I always want that to be there for the both of us, so we can turn to each other and the wonderful thing we have, even if everything else is falling apart. I'll always strive to do all in my power, and put all my efforts into working towards supporting Huw and helping him to find happiness, because he's fantastic and he deserves it :) :fluffle:

I will do all this. I will use the strength I know I have to get me through hard things. I know I can, and I shall :)

(okay, this random outburst and ramble may confuse you, but you'll just have to cope :P)

People have to be jerks in order to have balance in the world. I mean, it just wouldn't work if everyone was always happy and cheerful. It sucks, but it has to be done.

Thank you :) :fluffle: :fluffle:

Feeling fragile and tired and drained... but feeling better after talks with Huw, and am determined to help myself cope with things better and boost my self-confidence and make it stronger and more stable. I know I'm a strong, capable person with great willpower and determination. I want to do this mainly for myself, but also largely so I can be there for Huw when he needs me, rather than falling apart and hurting the both of us.

He means the world to me, and we have a fantastic relationship, and I always want that to be there for the both of us, so we can turn to each other and the wonderful thing we have, even if everything else is falling apart. I'll always strive to do all in my power, and put all my efforts into working towards supporting Huw and helping him to find happiness, because he's fantastic and he deserves it :) :fluffle:

I will do all this. I will use the strength I know I have to get me through hard things. I know I can, and I shall :)

(okay, this random outburst and ramble may confuse you, but you'll just have to cope :P)
Good. He needs you as much as you need him. You're both always so strong for yourselves and each other....I'm jealous.;):p

Don't forget about the rest of us who see you two as a beacon of hope for what good is left in the world. We need you, too.;):)

People have to be jerks in order to have balance in the world. I mean, it just wouldn't work if everyone was always happy and cheerful. It sucks, but it has to be done.
She's not really talking a run-of-the-mill jerk. This one's more of a counter-balance than a balance. Tips things too far in the other direction.

Good. He needs you as much as you need him. You're both always so strong for yourselves and each other....I'm jealous.;):p

Don't forget about the rest of us who see you two as a beacon of hope for what good is left in the world. We need you, too.;):)

Feel free to forget about me though, I'll just quietly wave my hermit stick over there. *points*

Feel free to forget about me though, I'll just quietly wave my hermit stick over there. *points*
If you insist.:p

Thank you :) :fluffle: :fluffle:

Feeling fragile and tired and drained... but feeling better after talks with Huw, and am determined to help myself cope with things better and boost my self-confidence and make it stronger and more stable. I know I'm a strong, capable person with great willpower and determination. I want to do this mainly for myself, but also largely so I can be there for Huw when he needs me, rather than falling apart and hurting the both of us.

He means the world to me, and we have a fantastic relationship, and I always want that to be there for the both of us, so we can turn to each other and the wonderful thing we have, even if everything else is falling apart. I'll always strive to do all in my power, and put all my efforts into working towards supporting Huw and helping him to find happiness, because he's fantastic and he deserves it :) :fluffle:

I will do all this. I will use the strength I know I have to get me through hard things. I know I can, and I shall :)

(okay, this random outburst and ramble may confuse you, but you'll just have to cope :P)


I'm not confused - I am sending helpful love vibes your way now

I see a bright future for yaz

I'm not confused - I am sending helpful love vibes your way now

I see a bright future for yaz
Say, what kind of astrologer are you, anyway? o.O

:p

:fluffle:

People like that don't have any excuses, Cabra. They simply fail as human beings.

I'm terribly sorry someone would be so hurtful to you though. I'd be more than happy to beat the crap outta them for, if you like, or at least tell them exactly how worthless they are.....

If it is any comfort, everyone here knows that you are a terrific person. I know it's easier said than done, but try not to pay those kinds of people too much mind.

I wish there were something more I could say or do to make you feel better. :fluffle: :fluffle:

This thread reminded me of some Marian Anderson quotes:
As long as you keep a person down, some part of you has to be down there to hold the person down, so it means you cannot soar as you otherwise might.

Thank you :) :fluffle: :fluffle:

Feeling fragile and tired and drained... but feeling better after talks with Huw, and am determined to help myself cope with things better and boost my self-confidence and make it stronger and more stable. I know I'm a strong, capable person with great willpower and determination. I want to do this mainly for myself, but also largely so I can be there for Huw when he needs me, rather than falling apart and hurting the both of us.

He means the world to me, and we have a fantastic relationship, and I always want that to be there for the both of us, so we can turn to each other and the wonderful thing we have, even if everything else is falling apart. I'll always strive to do all in my power, and put all my efforts into working towards supporting Huw and helping him to find happiness, because he's fantastic and he deserves it :) :fluffle:

I will do all this. I will use the strength I know I have to get me through hard things. I know I can, and I shall :)

(okay, this random outburst and ramble may confuse you, but you'll just have to cope :P)
I dunno what's going on with you, but it sounds like you could use a :fluffle: too. So here you are: :fluffle:

Fragile and drained and low on self esteem are feeling I am far too well aquainted with. It sounds like your getting on okay, though. At least, I hope you are.

When I went to look up the exact wording of the Marian Anderson quote I gave Cabra West, I stumbled across this quote as well, which after reading it made me think of your post above.
Every one has a gift for something, even if it is the gift of being a good friend.
I dunno you very well, but it seems obvious from this thread that you are blessed with the gift of being a good friend.

Hope everything turns out ok. :fluffle:

Say, what kind of astrologer are you, anyway? o.O

:p


outlook not so good

A lot of people feel superior when they see someone else get put down. It's a psychological thing.

A lot of people feel superior when they see someone else get put down. It's a psychological thing.


Oh yes. I try to keep in mind that someday, they'll be brought down, and with any luck, realize just how pathetic they really are.

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?

The answer is pretty trite; they don't like themselves, at least at that moment, and think that they can make themselves feel better by making someone else feel worse.

When they're in pain, they must cause pain.

It's a pretty sorry way to be, but almost everyone does it once, and some do it all the time.

:fluffle:

People like that don't have any excuses, Cabra. They simply fail as human beings.

I'm terribly sorry someone would be so hurtful to you though. I'd be more than happy to beat the crap outta them for, if you like, or at least tell them exactly how worthless they are.....

If it is any comfort, everyone here knows that you are a terrific person. I know it's easier said than done, but try not to pay those kinds of people too much mind.

I wish there were something more I could say or do to make you feel better. :fluffle: :fluffle:

This thread reminded me of some Marian Anderson quotes:
I think this is the only context in which I let someone call me a failure.

outlook not so good
It never is. *sigh*

Oh yes. I try to keep in mind that someday, they'll be brought down, and with any luck, realize just how pathetic they really are.
That's the great thing about being a jerk: it's so easy to crush other, weaker jerks with even greater satisfaction.

I dunno you very well, but it seems obvious from this thread that you are blessed with the gift of being a good friend.

Hope everything turns out ok. :fluffle:
she very much is, she just needs help seeing that herself sometimes :(
i love her :fluffle:

been going through a tough time at home myself of late, and i've been dumping a lot onto her, and it hasn't been fair, and she's felt like she can't help. but she does help by being an immeasurably wonderful friend and partner to share things with and trust, and trust that she'll be there for me :) it doesn't sound like much but that gift of being a good friend is a fantastic gift, and i don't know what i'd do without her.

To be fair, I really do get off on hurting people for no reason.

I'm a horrible person, but it makes me happy.

she very much is, she just needs help seeing that herself sometimes :(
i love her :fluffle:

been going through a tough time at home myself of late, and i've been dumping a lot onto her, and it hasn't been fair, and she's felt like she can't help. but she does help by being an immeasurably wonderful friend and partner to share things with and trust, and trust that she'll be there for me :) it doesn't sound like much but that gift of being a good friend is a fantastic gift, and i don't know what i'd do without her.
You couldn't do without her.

You couldn't do without her.
quite right

quite right
As always.:cool: :p

When I was younger, my favorite people to mess with were the ones who laughed the least. Of course eveybody else would laugh, which was the point. I'm not exactly sure when that change in me occurred. Was it a sudden growth in maturity? I don't know, but I certainly hope it doesn't happenn too often. :p

That's not called "messing with people". It's called bullying.

That's not called "messing with people". It's called bullying.
Indeed.

The answer is pretty trite; they don't like themselves, at least at that moment, and think that they can make themselves feel better by making someone else feel worse.

When they're in pain, they must cause pain.

It's a pretty sorry way to be, but almost everyone does it once, and some do it all the time.

maybe thats some people, others just like antagonizing those they feel they must antagonize. Its an evolutionary trait. Such people often do well for themselves.

maybe thats some people, others just like antagonizing those they feel they must antagonize. Its an evolutionary trait. Such people often do well for themselves.

hmm, I'd say it was a choice. You can choose not to be a jerk, wether you have the ability or not

Just like I have the ability to kill, but I dont.

maybe thats some people, others just like antagonizing those they feel they must antagonize. Its an evolutionary trait. Such people often do well for themselves.



Gordon Ramsay.

If you combine nastiness with good looks and some skills,
you get your very own TV program,
your own celebrity-books,
a michellin star or 2,
and your own restaurant.

hmm, I'd say it was a choice. You can choose not to be a jerk, wether you have the ability or not

Just like I have the ability to kill, but I dont.

no, theyre like that by nature, and they dont see themselves as jerks, but others as inferior, deserving of persecution.

Gordon Ramsay.

If you combine nastiness with good looks and some skills,
you get your very own TV program,
your own celebrity-books,
a michellin star or 2,
and your own restaurant.

and lets face it, who's going to argue with a guy holding a knife to your back?

:)

and lets face it, who's going to argue with a guy holding a knife to your back?

:)


I didn't have a knife to your back, did I?

*protests!*

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?
It depends on the person.

For instance, I really enjoy making a certain type of person cry, whether or not I know the least thing about them as an individual. This type of person is the guy who spills his drink on you at the pub, and then turns and calls you a "filthy ****" because it's your fault for occupying the space he lurched into.

This is the type of (white) person who uses the word "******" when in an all-white group. They have that sneaky look, that look which says, "Hey, we're all white here, so we can just say what we all really think, right?"

This is the same type of person who dedicates 90% of their time to telling you why YOU need to get married and make babies, mainly so that they can be spending their time doing anything other than spending time with their own spouse and children. This is also the type of person who feels that any non-virgin unmarried woman is a slut who deserves to die of syph in the gutter.

This is also the same type of person who thinks that calling somebody a faggot is cute, or that calling somebody a "pussy" is actually an insult. I love making this type of boy-man cry, particularly because it's so easy; they're so insecure that they actually think it's an insult to call somebody a woman or a homosexual, and they usually go all to pieces if you make one off-hand remark about the size of their...truck. Wink.

You know, now that I think about it, there are a whole hell of a lot of people who I like to make cry, and most of them are people I don't know. Probably because I don't bother to get to know these kinds of people, or because they don't bother to get to know me. I don't like making people cry if I know them, because the people I know all have redeeming qualities.

yesterday

something about a dagger

Yep. And you still argued.

true

but I've seen gordon ramseys knife, I wouldnt argue with that

:p


Yeah. Colon-sushi...

:p

I didn't argue with you today either

much


Yeah, and I passed out :fluffle:

For want of a better thing to do.
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Do i look fat in this?:(

For want of a better thing to do.
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Do i look fat in this?:(
Yes. And your father smelled of elderberries.

Yes. And your father smelled of elderberries.
:(
You've got the Sypiris!

I think this is the only context in which I let someone call me a failure.
I called you a failure? :confused:

she very much is, she just needs help seeing that herself sometimes :(
i love her :fluffle:

been going through a tough time at home myself of late, and i've been dumping a lot onto her, and it hasn't been fair, and she's felt like she can't help. but she does help by being an immeasurably wonderful friend and partner to share things with and trust, and trust that she'll be there for me :) it doesn't sound like much but that gift of being a good friend is a fantastic gift, and i don't know what i'd do without her.
You two are so lucky to have each other.

I hope things look up for you, too, PM:fluffle:

Good. He needs you as much as you need him. You're both always so strong for yourselves and each other....I'm jealous.;):p

Don't forget about the rest of us who see you two as a beacon of hope for what good is left in the world. We need you, too.;):)
I know.
And always strong? Hehehe... I wish :p

Ah, I won't forget about you ;) I know you're semi-joking, but I do love the idea of giving hope :)
:fluffle:

Yes. And your father smelled of elderberries.

Rofl! :D

I'm not confused - I am sending helpful love vibes your way now

I see a bright future for yaz
I like love vibes :P :) Thanks for caring :fluffle:

(and I thought you might be confused because I suddenly came out with all this stuff from nowhere...)

I dunno what's going on with you, but it sounds like you could use a :fluffle: too. So here you are: :fluffle:

Fragile and drained and low on self esteem are feeling I am far too well aquainted with. It sounds like your getting on okay, though. At least, I hope you are.

When I went to look up the exact wording of the Marian Anderson quote I gave Cabra West, I stumbled across this quote as well, which after reading it made me think of your post above.

I dunno you very well, but it seems obvious from this thread that you are blessed with the gift of being a good friend.

Hope everything turns out ok. :fluffle:
Thanks for the fluffles :) :fluffle:

I am getting on fine *nods* Thank you also for caring :) (I'm always surprised by how lovely people on here are)

That's one of the most wonderful things anyone could say about me, so I really appreciate that, and it's lovely to think that you'd say that with just a glimpse into who I am... :)

she very much is, she just needs help seeing that herself sometimes :(
i love her :fluffle:

been going through a tough time at home myself of late, and i've been dumping a lot onto her, and it hasn't been fair, and she's felt like she can't help. but she does help by being an immeasurably wonderful friend and partner to share things with and trust, and trust that she'll be there for me :) it doesn't sound like much but that gift of being a good friend is a fantastic gift, and i don't know what i'd do without her.
and you (along with the lovely people here) provide me with that help :) and i will learn to gradually see that more clearly myself, and have more trust in it.
i love you too :fluffle:

it is perfectly "fair" - i want to be here, with you, through the bad, and help you. I ask you to talk to me because I want you to, I'm just learning to cope with loving someone more than I've ever loved someone... :fluffle:
I am so glad I can do for you what I do, and that's something I'll always give freely, and something you can always trust :)

You couldn't do without her.
Whether he could or not, he doesn't need to think about it. Because he won't be without me.

You two are so lucky to have each other.

I hope things look up for you, too, PM:fluffle:
We are :) :fluffle:

We are :) :fluffle:

as much as I do the 'awww' thing at you two, because yes, it's sweet, it's lovely, it's all those things that are good about love

but sometimes

just sometimes

I do feel a little sick :p

:D

as much as I do the 'awww' thing at you two, because yes, it's sweet, it's lovely, it's all those things that are good about love

but sometimes

just sometimes

I do feel a little sick :p

:D
lol! we try :D

lol! we try :D

at least you lol'd... I hoped you would.. I wasn't being..erm..a jerk .. or anything :p

I wasn't being..erm..a jerk .. or anything :p
IMHO, it's not possible for a female to be "a jerk." :)

IMHO, it's not possible for a female to be "a jerk." :)

Really?

But I want equal rights, damn it!!!

:p

IMHO, it's not possible for a female to be "a jerk." :)
I must humbly disagree. I know plenty of jerkish women. *gestures towards Mstreeted* But I wouldn't want to point any fingers.

I know.
Ah, I won't forget about you ;) I know you're semi-joking, but I do love the idea of giving hope :)
:fluffle:

Giving someone hope is a tremendous gift-it justifies and validates them. It gives them a reason to keep going.

The way I see it, you're helping yourself and the person you're giving the hope to.
Thats a great thing.

at least you lol'd... I hoped you would.. I wasn't being..erm..a jerk .. or anything :p
Hey, we pride ourselves in being sickeningly sweet... ;) We have many many plans for the NS London meet sometime soon.... Mwahahahaha :D

Hey, we pride ourselves in being sickeningly sweet... ;) We have many many plans for the NS London meet sometime soon.... Mwahahahaha :D

hahaha

good for you :)

Giving someone hope is a tremendous gift-it justifies and validates them. It gives them a reason to keep going.

The way I see it, you're helping yourself and the person you're giving the hope to.
Thats a great thing.
:)

I know how important hope can be. I've kept going through times, purely based on the hope things would get better... and they did. I wouldn't be here, wouldn't be alive without hope.

The idea that I could do even a small part of that for someone else is incredible.

:)

I know how important hope can be. I've kept going through times, purely based on the hope things would get better... and they did. I wouldn't be here, wouldn't be alive without hope.

The idea that I could do even a small part of that for someone else is incredible.

Keep it up. You've got both a great heart and personality. And PM has a great girl.

Keep it up. You've got both a great heart and personality. And PM has a great girl.
:fluffle:
That means a hell of a lot to me, especially when I'm feeling fragile like now. Thank you :)

Really?

But I want equal rights, damn it!!!

:p
Well ... perhaps I could make an exception in your case then. Sigh. :p

Well ... perhaps I could make an exception in your case then. Sigh. :p

Too, Too Kind.

*gives you some flowers*

Hey, we pride ourselves in being sickeningly sweet... ;) We have many many plans for the NS London meet sometime soon.... Mwahahahaha :D
If I had the money, I would fly over just for the sheer delight of meeting you and PM! Alas, most of my money these days seems to be going toward my older grandaughter's education, since her sorry-ass Step-father refuses to pay anything toward it. :mad:

:fluffle:
That means a hell of a lot to me, especially when I'm feeling fragile like now. Thank you :)

Anytime.
Just the point of view from someone with a lot of experience.

Too, Too Kind.

*gives you some flowers*
Uh ... I would have "settled" for a few flulffles, but hey ... I'll take what I can get! :D

If I had the money, I would fly over just for the sheer delight of meeting you and PM! Alas, most of my money these days seems to be going toward my older grandaughter's education, since her sorry-ass Step-father refuses to pay anything toward it. :mad:

I agree- I think it would be a lot of fun to spend and afternoon over wings and beers with these two.

I agree- I think it would be a lot of fun to spend and afternoon over wings and beers with these two.
God! I would love that soooo much! :)

I'm feeling fragile like now. Thank you :)
Please explain that to me, hon. What does it mean when someone, especially a woman, says they feel "fragile?" I don't "do" feelings very well, I'm afraid. :(

If I had the money, I would fly over just for the sheer delight of meeting you and PM!
Aw, that'd rock :D

Alas, most of my money these days seems to be going toward my older grandaughter's education, since her sorry-ass Step-father refuses to pay anything toward it. :mad:
What a jerk... At least you can be happy that your money is going to a very worthy cause :)

Anytime.
Just the point of view from someone with a lot of experience.
Which makes it extra meaningful to me.
:fluffle:

I agree- I think it would be a lot of fun to spend and afternoon over wings and beers with these two.
Hehehe... one day....
Me and Huw would love to go to America together one day *nods*

Please explain that to me, hon. What does it mean when someone, especially a woman, says they feel "fragile?" I don't "do" feelings very well, I'm afraid. :(
Well, I can't speak for all women - my ovaries don't give me magical powers of enlightenment towards half the population ;) - but I can try and explain for myself...

Usually it's part of a process, either before or after letting out all your emotions (eg, usually - for me - really crying when talking to someone). Beforehand, I have so much stuff going on in my head, it's dragging me down and tiring me out and building up to be too much to handle, so I become "fragile" from all the emotional mess in my head. Afterwards, I'm still recovering, trying to accept the conclusion/resolution, trying to build up my strength, and I'm kinda shaken from the overwhelming outburst of emotions that have consumed me. That can last 10 minutes or so, an evening, a day, a few days, weeks, months... it depends on the situation. For example, with bereavement, for a long time you could feel unsure of things and scared, and unable to cope with things.

It's basically a time where you feel slightly on the edge of "falling apart" emotionally. You can feel slightly numb, slightly drained and empty, slightly insecure and doubting of things, and largely just weak.... It's often a mixture of physical feeling (I can get tired, mixed with headaches and sore eyes from crying) plus the emotional feeling.

It's a time where you're building yourself up, building up your strength and belief. It's a time when it's easy to get hurt, and a time when you need support, because your strength and energy is running low, both physically and mentally.

You can relate it to physically... if you broke a bone, or strained a limb, or pulled a muscle, or had been in bed a long time, and couldn't use some part of your body.... When you can start using it, you can be slightly unsure and need to take it easy and need to not put strain on yourself, because you're still quite weak and building up strength. Feeling fragile, for me, is the same but to do with mind.

Okay, that was a slighty rambly explanation, but hopefully it helped at least a bit, heh :p

Most probably feel that in different ways, and have different ways of coping with it, and have different ways they prefer to be treated then. The best thing, when dealing with someone going through any tough emotional time, is to simply offer your support and ask what they want or need as support :)

Seriously, are they getting off on being deliberately hurtful or mean to others? What's the point in abusing people you don't even know at all? What do they gain from making others cry?

It's a victimless crime, like punching someone in the dark! :D

Well, I can't speak for all women - my ovaries don't give me magical powers of enlightenment towards half the population ;)
They don't? :eek: You should really get that fixed. :p

Well, I can't speak for all women - my ovaries don't give me magical powers of enlightenment towards half the population ;) - but I can try and explain for myself...

Usually it's part of a process, either before or after letting out all your emotions (eg, usually - for me - really crying when talking to someone). Beforehand, I have so much stuff going on in my head, it's dragging me down and tiring me out and building up to be too much to handle, so I become "fragile" from all the emotional mess in my head. Afterwards, I'm still recovering, trying to accept the conclusion/resolution, trying to build up my strength, and I'm kinda shaken from the overwhelming outburst of emotions that have consumed me. That can last 10 minutes or so, an evening, a day, a few days, weeks, months... it depends on the situation. For example, with bereavement, for a long time you could feel unsure of things and scared, and unable to cope with things.

It's basically a time where you feel slightly on the edge of "falling apart" emotionally. You can feel slightly numb, slightly drained and empty, slightly insecure and doubting of things, and largely just weak.... It's often a mixture of physical feeling (I can get tired, mixed with headaches and sore eyes from crying) plus the emotional feeling.

It's a time where you're building yourself up, building up your strength and belief. It's a time when it's easy to get hurt, and a time when you need support, because your strength and energy is running low, both physically and mentally.

You can relate it to physically... if you broke a bone, or strained a limb, or pulled a muscle, or had been in bed a long time, and couldn't use some part of your body.... When you can start using it, you can be slightly unsure and need to take it easy and need to not put strain on yourself, because you're still quite weak and building up strength. Feeling fragile, for me, is the same but to do with mind.

Okay, that was a slighty rambly explanation, but hopefully it helped at least a bit, heh :p

Most probably feel that in different ways, and have different ways of coping with it, and have different ways they prefer to be treated then. The best thing, when dealing with someone going through any tough emotional time, is to simply offer your support and ask what they want or need as support :)

... you just explained to me why I felt so hurt by what this jerk said to me. You could say I was trying to use that leg that was broken and is still healing, and this bastard kicked me. Metaphorically speaking.

I think now I want to get back at him. Does anybody have a good idea what I could do to him? I've got his name, email adress, and can probably find out his address and phone number without problem.

They don't? :eek: You should really get that fixed. :p
Hehehehe :p

... you just explained to me why I felt so hurt by what this jerk said to me. You could say I was trying to use that leg that was broken and is still healing, and this bastard kicked me. Metaphorically speaking.

I think now I want to get back at him. Does anybody have a good idea what I could do to him? I've got his name, email adress, and can probably find out his address and phone number without problem.
Wow, so that ramble was of some use, heh :p

But indeed - when you're in that kinda place, you can take things much harsher because you don't have the usual defence in place, the same strength, and are far more vunerable to letting doubts and hurt in. Afterwards, you can become much stronger, but while in that process of building yourself up, it's easy to get overwhelmed quickly.

I've never been one for getting revenge, so I can't really offer advice on that front, but just be careful - depends on what type of person you are, but could leave you feeling worse. Either way, have some good luck and a :fluffle: :)

It depends on the person.

For instance, I really enjoy making a certain type of person cry, whether or not I know the least thing about them as an individual. This type of person is the guy who spills his drink on you at the pub, and then turns and calls you a "filthy ****" because it's your fault for occupying the space he lurched into.

This is the type of (white) person who uses the word "******" when in an all-white group. They have that sneaky look, that look which says, "Hey, we're all white here, so we can just say what we all really think, right?"

This is the same type of person who dedicates 90% of their time to telling you why YOU need to get married and make babies, mainly so that they can be spending their time doing anything other than spending time with their own spouse and children. This is also the type of person who feels that any non-virgin unmarried woman is a slut who deserves to die of syph in the gutter.

This is also the same type of person who thinks that calling somebody a faggot is cute, or that calling somebody a "pussy" is actually an insult. I love making this type of boy-man cry, particularly because it's so easy; they're so insecure that they actually think it's an insult to call somebody a woman or a homosexual, and they usually go all to pieces if you make one off-hand remark about the size of their...truck. Wink.

You know, now that I think about it, there are a whole hell of a lot of people who I like to make cry, and most of them are people I don't know. Probably because I don't bother to get to know these kinds of people, or because they don't bother to get to know me. I don't like making people cry if I know them, because the people I know all have redeeming qualities.
*prays to all the gods he's on your "getting to know" list*

I wasn't the one who drank all the greek god wine was I?

you'll get no sympathy from me

or one of them fluff things :p

no TG's.. noone luvs me
*TG's you*

I called you a failure? :confused:
Indirectly.

I know.
And always strong? Hehehe... I wish :p

Ah, I won't forget about you ;) I know you're semi-joking, but I do love the idea of giving hope :)
:fluffle:
When one of you isn't, the other is. You manage for each other.:)

I was serious about the hope, not about forgetting about us. I can't speak for the others, assuming there are others, as I'm sure there must be, but I know it's really damned hard to forget about me.:p

Me and Huw would love to go to America together one day *nods*

we were (well, i was) thinking of san francisco, but i have always fancied seeing the Carolinas :p (a teacher of mine was from South Carolina and spoke very fondly of the place)

i'll join in with the chorus of people feeling "fragile" for whatever reason though :(
and i think i will for some weeks or months, too. i'm actually not sure if things will ever be the same again :(

Rofl! :D
Ah, the sweet smell of elderberries! Works every time like a charm.
*inhales deeply*
Wait a tick!:eek:
*dangles elderberries over cleverly concealed pit*

and you (along with the lovely people here) provide me with that help :) and i will learn to gradually see that more clearly myself, and have more trust in it.
i love you too :fluffle:

it is perfectly "fair" - i want to be here, with you, through the bad, and help you. I ask you to talk to me because I want you to, I'm just learning to cope with loving someone more than I've ever loved someone... :fluffle:
I am so glad I can do for you what I do, and that's something I'll always give freely, and something you can always trust :)


Whether he could or not, he doesn't need to think about it. Because he won't be without me.
Honorable mention! w00t!:cool: :fluffle: :fluffle:

... you just explained to me why I felt so hurt by what this jerk said to me. You could say I was trying to use that leg that was broken and is still healing, and this bastard kicked me. Metaphorically speaking.

I think now I want to get back at him. Does anybody have a good idea what I could do to him? I've got his name, email adress, and can probably find out his address and phone number without problem.
I don't condone this course of action. I know you aren't really so petty. It hurts me to think of it.

we were (well, i was) thinking of san francisco, but i have always fancied seeing the Carolinas :p (a teacher of mine was from South Carolina and spoke very fondly of the place)
Well, San Francisco is our first place to go in America :)
But generally travelling a fair bit appeals to us both, I know *nods*

i'll join in with the chorus of people feeling "fragile" for whatever reason though :(
and i think i will for some weeks or months, too. i'm actually not sure if things will ever be the same again :(
*cuddles and hugs* :fluffle:
People who feel fragile often think they won't feel any other way, that they won't "mend" from what's happened. But plenty do, and can become stronger for it, and I'm here for you to care for you and love you and help you build up your happiness and security and trust in yourself and the good in life :)

Honorable mention! w00t!:cool: :fluffle: :fluffle:
Hehe, of course - as you say, you're damned hard to forget :p

Hehe, of course - as you say, you're damned hard to forget :p
I wasn't serious, but it's proving oh so true.:p:cool: