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Green = capitalist, reactionary, Fascist
Red = revolutionary, socialist, communist

Red socialist here.

fascism = socialism, so you need to revise your post.

fascism = socialism, so you need to revise your post.
Ridiculous comparisons like that = teh stupid. So why don't you revise yours.

fascism = socialism, so you need to revise your post.

Uhh...since when?

And BTW I'm a brown, a nice comfortable...murky...brown...

Capitalist here.

Socialism rules!

How about Red Green? (http://www.thebigwild.com/images/Red-Green.png)

Red, definitely red...or pretty redish, maybe slightly orange red. No, more likely a violet red. I prefer the "cool" hues for my politics.

fascism = socialism, so you need to revise your post.
No, stalinism/leninism = totalitarianism, get it right.

Former socialist, current libertarian here. Which makes me... DARK GREEN. Make it so.

If you must, I am green.

But facism doesn't fit nicely with capitalism by any means. Typically it focuses more on the apparata of the state, as opposed to the operations of the market.

Uhh...since when?


Since both were invented.

Fascism is state driven and state centered socialism rather than citizen driven and citizen centered socialism. In both systems the state provides for the needs of the citizens. They differ in who decides what these needs are. Simple really isn't it Sinuhue.

How about Red Green? (http://www.thebigwild.com/images/Red-Green.png)
*worships*

How about Red Green? (http://www.thebigwild.com/images/Red-Green.png)

You're my hero.

I'm blue.

Blue like a monday morning.

Social capitalist.

How about Red Green? (http://www.thebigwild.com/images/Red-Green.png)
The duct tape king! Now THERE is an ideology I can follow!

Since both were invented.

Fascism is state driven and state centered socialism rather than citizen driven and citizen centered socialism. In both systems the state provides for the needs of the citizens. They differ in who decides what these needs are. Simple really isn't it Sinuhue.
Hey, if that's the way you want to spin it, go hard. Hooray for Hitler and Franco, the socialists!

Green = capitalist, reactionary, Fascist
Red = revolutionary, socialist, communist

Red socialist here.

Capitalist: A supporter of capitalism.
An investor of capital in business, especially one having a major financial interest in an important enterprise.
A person of great wealth.

Reactionary: Characterized by reaction, especially opposition to progress or liberalism; extremely conservative

Fascism: A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.

Not quite Synonyms you know....

The duct tape king! Now THERE is an ideology I can follow!
I wholeheartedly agree!

Ridiculous comparisons like that = teh stupid.
It's quite correct. Please do a little research.

Uhh...since when?
Since always. Fascism is nothing more than socialism/communism with the illusion of private ownership of the means of production.

Hey, if that's the way you want to spin it, go hard. Hooray for Hitler and Franco, the socialists!
They meet the base criteria for socialists.

One must remember that there's more than two directions on the political scale.

No, stalinism/leninism = totalitarianism, get it right.
Fascism is also totalitarian.

Hey, if that's the way you want to spin it, go hard. Hooray for Hitler and Franco, the socialists!

Authoritarians, but socialists in that they held that the state was the mother to the people (motherland ring a bell anywhere?) Who provided the health care, who provided the education, who provided pensions. The state. Now are you telling me that these are not the actions of a socialist government?

Since always. Fascism is nothing more than socialism/communism with the illusion of private ownership of the means of production.
I guess it depends on what definition of fascism you're using. Most fascism is virulently anti-communist, though it uses the socialist model of centralisation of production. A hallmark of fascism is the glorification of the nation over the individual, which can be used in socialist or communist regimes, but are not integral to them. As well, fascism is opposed to communism in that it does not phrase itself as a class struggle. While fascism employs left-leaning economic strategies, it most often allies itself with right-wing political ideology.

Fascism is by no means cut and dried, and clearly defined and agreed upon. So simply equating it with socialism, and nothing else, may be correct only if you consider a gross oversimplification to be accurate.

I wholeheartedly agree!

Who wouldn't?

Damn, now I need to go see if they sell Red Green DVDs.

Green = capitalist, reactionary, Fascist
Red = revolutionary, socialist, communist

Red socialist here.

i'm purple and black....fuck off and leave me alone...i hate being placed in categories...glad yo u do.....


yes red is pleasant...ask stalins victims...and capitalism is any better...ask central america.

i prefer...hi and be my friend..or go the hell away with your preconcieved bullshit you learned in college...bunch of crap.

Who wouldn't?

Damn, now I need to go see if they sell Red Green DVDs.
They absolutely do...wrapped in duct tape...it takes HOURS to get them out!

i'm purple and black....fuck off and leave me alone...i hate being placed in categories...glad yo u do.....


yes red is pleasant...ask stalins victims...and capitalism is any better...ask central america.

i prefer...hi and be my friend..or go the hell away with your preconcieved bullshit you learned in college...bunch of crap.
I think I'll just add a ditto to this and leave it at that:)

They absolutely do...wrapped in duct tape...it takes HOURS to get them out!

Hours well spent.

Im a green capitalist not the others their to radiacal

I guess it depends on what definition of fascism you're using. Most fascism is virulently anti-communist, though it uses the socialist model of centralisation of production.
It's anti-communist because those in power in a fascist regime know that fascism IS dishonest communism. It provides for private ownership of the means of production in name only. Otherwise, it's quite the same as communism/socialism.

And this is no gross oversimplification. This is the proper understanding of fascism.

Im a green capitalist not the others their to radiacal
Greedy greens...:rolleyes:

Im a green capitalist not the others their to radiacal
Me too. :fluffle:

It's anti-communist because those in power in a fascist regime know that fascism IS dishonest communism. It provides for private ownership of the means of production in name only. Otherwise, it's quite the same as communism/socialism.

And this is no gross oversimplification. This is the proper understanding of fascism.
You are forgetting that communism is about popular control, thought it rarely manifests itself that way in reality. So are we talking theory, or reality here? Because the two are not at all similar.

Socialism and communissum aren't the same thing. While most socialist want to evolve into communist, some(like myself) are opposed to communisum.

Green = capitalist, reactionary, Fascist
Red = revolutionary, socialist, communist

Red socialist here.
Do these people look like capitalists to you? (http://www.gp.org/)

Oh yes, and of course all capitalists are fascists.

http://www.exclaim.ca/images/up-question_kermit_1.jpg
It's not easy being green.

Do these people look like capitalists to you? (http://www.gp.org/)

Oh yes, and of course all capitalists are fascists.

I never said they were. I also hope that I was camparing it to Red.

I never said they were.

Your Original Post implied it though.

Your Original Post implied it though.
Yup.

But maybe he was just using 'fascist' in the derogatory sense...which is how I read it and I thought...who would choose Green when phrased in such a biased manner?

But I equate green with environmental politics...and traffic control, but not money because Canadian bucks are more colourful than that...and oh, I'm so confused!

Yup.

But maybe he was just using 'fascist' in the derogatory sense...which is how I read it and I thought...who would choose Green when phrased in such a biased manner?

But I equate green with environmental politics...and traffic control, but not money because Canadian bucks are more colourful than that...and oh, I'm so confused!

Yes, my inginus plan to connfuse everyone until they worrship me for guidence in working! :D j/k

Yes, my inginus plan to connfuse everyone until they worrship me for guidence in working! :D j/k
With spelling like that, we'll soon be caught up in rapturous adoration...

Yup.

But maybe he was just using 'fascist' in the derogatory sense...which is how I read it and I thought...who would choose Green when phrased in such a biased manner?

But I equate green with environmental politics...and traffic control, but not money because Canadian bucks are more colourful than that...and oh, I'm so confused!

It was a very biased and somewhat confusing poll. If it was meant to give choice between 6 choices then it should have had 6 options. If choice was between Capitalism and Socialism then only that should have been mentioned.

You are forgetting that communism is about popular control, thought it rarely manifests itself that way in reality. So are we talking theory, or reality here? Because the two are not at all similar.
Reality.

Green = capitalist, reactionary, Fascist
Red = revolutionary, socialist, communist

Red socialist here.

Aside from confusing your catagories and generalising them into nothing, you seem to have confuded the traditional color symbolism of "green", which pretty much everybody uses for environmentalism. Not to mention that socialism and communism are both pretty much reactionary now (in the sense of wishing to restore the imagined conditions of the past before those ideologies were discredited by history).

Overall, I am a theist, big-government, free-trade, controlled-market kind of person, who also seems quite Marxist.

Add "and very confused." to the end of that mess.

I also hope that I was camparing it to Red.

:confused: Why would you want to make it stand out in relation to Red?

Yes, my inginus plan to connfuse everyone until they worrship me for guidence in working! :D j/k

:( That made my brain hurt.

:( That made my brain hurt.
Maybe the spelling was part of the joke?

Green = capitalist, reactionary, Fascist
Red = revolutionary, socialist, communist

Red socialist here.

I'm a red socialist too. And I hate it when people are too ignorant to understand that socialism is not neccisarily fascism.

Maybe the spelling was part of the joke?

Well, he wanted to "campar" (http://www.wordreference.com/es/en/translation.asp?spen=campar) Green and Red. Maybe the use of Spanish was a joke too. ;)
Maybe the whole thing is a joke? :p

I'm a red socialist too. And I hate it when people are too ignorant to understand that socialism is not neccisarily fascism.

Points and laughs. Pot, meet kettle.

Points and laughs. Pot, meet kettle.

I don't suppose that you know anything about distinguishing actions from spoken words in posts.

Orange.

:cool: Brown

I don't suppose that you know anything about distinguishing actions from spoken words in posts.

Even better. Since you completely missed it:
And I hate it when people are too ignorant to understand that socialism is not neccisarily fascism.
You have that backwards. Nobody has said that at all. Confusing the argument "fascism is one form of socialism" with "socialism is fascism" shows a lack of having read the thread, a lack of reading comprehension, or a lack of understanding. Calling others ignorant over your error was what I laughed at.

And now, I'm laughing at your having needed that explained to you.

Who dosen't love a green capitalist http://languish.org/forums/html/emoticons/hug.gif

I don't suppose that you know anything about distinguishing actions from spoken words in posts.

Even better. Since you completely missed it:
And I hate it when people are too ignorant to understand that socialism is not neccisarily fascism.
You have that backwards. Nobody has said that at all. Confusing the argument "fascism is one form of socialism" with "socialism is fascism" shows a lack of having read the thread, a lack of reading comprehension, or a lack of understanding. Calling others ignorant over your error was what I laughed at.

And now, I'm laughing at your having needed that explained to you.

What a ridiculous set of initial assumptions. Socialism, being a system that reserves control and rights to a central apparatus at the expense of individuals, bears far more relation to fascism than the individual-freedom-based system of capitalism.

The problem with using the definition that socialism and fascism are the same because they both involve heavy interference in the economy of the state is that such a definition isn't sufficient. (As well as the fact that that isn't what socialism is, but that's another story.) There are plenty of economic ideologies that involve heavy interference from the state that aren't socialist or fascist. Therefore, those people who wish to assert that they are the same because they share that one similarity are incorrect.

Communist here.

But I wouldn't have put "green" as capitalist color ;)

I was hoping this would be a thread relating to Suiseiseki :(

Green capitalist here.

Green = capitalist, reactionary, Fascist
Red = revolutionary, socialist, communist

Red socialist here.
Irish Environmentalist!

Socialism rules!

I prefer hybridized capito-socialism with libertarianist laws and labor punishments for the worst crimes... where do I go?

Liberal individualist capitalist.

Since both were invented.

Fascism is state driven and state centered socialism rather than citizen driven and citizen centered socialism. In both systems the state provides for the needs of the citizens. They differ in who decides what these needs are. Simple really isn't it Sinuhue.
as i understand it facism generally supports the idea of private ownership, and the only reason hitler and mussolini organised their state in a state-capitalist (the state provides for the needs of the citizens) manner was not because of socailsed theories of state production, but because of the total war going on at the time (whereby the majority of the world powers, britian included, took over many key national industries to support the war effort). that was a element of circumstance, not actually a tenet of facist theory.
that's as i understand it though - i could be wrong.


anyhow, i'm red first, green second.

Oooh, ideologies are colours now? Well paint me a libertarian socialist.

fascism=socialism?

greens r only reds to the color-blind

as i understand it facism generally supports the idea of private ownership, and the only reason hitler and mussolini organised their state in a state-capitalist (the state provides for the needs of the citizens)
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Any support of private ownership was purely pragmatic. Fascists would see capitalism as materialistic and breeding self interest, when all actions should be for the good of the nation not your own self interest (which is the purpose of private property, to satisfy one of your needs)


manner was not because of socailsed theories of state production, but because of the total war going on at the time (whereby the majority of the world powers, britian included, took over many key national industries to support the war effort). that was a element of circumstance, not actually a tenet of facist theory.
that's as i understand it though - i could be wrong.
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Even before the war some form of common ownership existed in which 22 corporations (like education) had decisions voted for by (1/3rd fascist party members, 1/3rd the bosses of the company and 1/3rd by the workers) that might just be remians from the origonal "Germany workers party" eliment.

Green = capitalist, reactionary, Fascist
Red = revolutionary, socialist, communist

Red socialist here.
I think it needs to be made clear that your definition of "green" does not, in any way, match the actual politics of most people who call themselves, or are labeled, "green" in modern political discourse. Maybe you should have picked a different color for your game.

Redish Green thingymajigy

See through, translucent, refractive.
Catagorize me as you will, I'm not wearing your stupid 3D glasses. They give me a headache.

I'm Green.
The colour of trees, and seas. Whether that makes me invisible through whichever eye you choose to view me, or else black as pitch, is not my problem.

can I phone a friend?

:D

And I thought the simple left/right axis was too simple...