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The building I work in has been non-smoking for about twenty years. For the past six, it has also been 'scent free'. Perfumes and colognes are not allowed, neither are flowers. No scented products of any kinds are to be used prior to, or during work hours, including hand creams, hair products, etc. During Christmas, poinsettias are strictly forbidden, as some of my colleagues are deadly allergic to them. In fact, many people, including myself, react very strongly to scents...colognes or perfumes give me an instant migraine. Other people are not in the slightest bit affected by scents.

So what do you think about this requirement? It is not voluntary, else it would be completely ineffective. There is a discipline process in place to deal with people who do not comply, and there is a move to have all government buildings at all levels become scent-free as well.

Discussion? Comments? Questions?

FAQs on scent-free workplaces (http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/hsprograms/scent_free.html)

Controversy (http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=54226)

Lawsuit over perfume allergy (http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=3387415)

The building I work in has been non-smoking for about twenty years. For the past six, it has also been 'scent free'. Perfumes and colognes are not allowed, neither are flowers. No scented products of any kinds are to be used prior to, or during work hours, including hand creams, hair products, etc. During Christmas, poinsettias are strictly forbidden, as some of my colleagues are deadly allergic to them. In fact, many people, including myself, react very strongly to scents...colognes or perfumes give me an instant migraine. Other people are not in the slightest bit affected by scents.

So what do you think about this requirement? It is not voluntary, else it would be completely ineffective. There is a discipline process in place to deal with people who do not comply, and there is a move to have all government buildings at all levels become scent-free as well.

Discussion? Comments? Questions?

FAQs on scent-free workplaces (http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/hsprograms/scent_free.html)
It's a darned hard principle to enforce. Is there going to be a scent inspector sniffing everyone on the way in? What about the smell that coffee makes when it brews?

This is one of those things that just needs to rely on common courtesy. And maybe a helpful reminder from time to time.

Well there does seem to have a certain logic to it. I can understand the reasoning. I suppose I don't see anything wrong with it, but I have to admit I've never heard of such a thing before.

There are people with ostensible "allergies" to "everything artificial".

I was involved in defending against one more than once in the mid-1990s.

Some of these people claim to be allergic to everything man-made. Our experts proved that it was false.

You may be allergic to certain natural components of certain perfumes.

I am wary anytime someone uses a lawsuit as "proof" that something exists. I've seen far, far too many plantiff's lawyers and their crap cases.

What about deodorant/anti-perspirant?

If they are banned too then I seriously doubt your building is 'scent' free ;)

I like the idea, but.. hair products?

I like my shampoo to smell good. :(

I'd like to see a functional scent-free perfume store! :p

What about deodorant/anti-perspirant?

If they are banned too then I seriously doubt your building is 'scent' free ;)

This is what I was thinking actually. Ever spend an afternoon around several people in suits?

I think I'd prefer the artificial smell.

It's a darned hard principle to enforce. Is there going to be a scent inspector sniffing everyone on the way in? What about the smell that coffee makes when it brews?

This is one of those things that just needs to rely on common courtesy. And maybe a helpful reminder from time to time.
Well, common courtesy isn't enough, because it isn't as common as it should be. I'll let you know how they deal with it here...sketchily at best. They act immediately on flowers or certain plants because as I mentioned, some coworkers of mine have allergies so severe that these scents would cause them to be hospitalised. Strong perfumes are the second worst scent...I know three people who lose their voices almost immediately when exposed, and suffer from debilitating migraines. My migraines are bad, but they really get hit. So that is dealt with upon complaint, though anymore it's usually a 'guest' in the building who causes the trouble.

So far no one has had any sort of reaction to cooking smells, like coffee brewing or food baking. But when the wind shifts, we do get diesel fumes from a nearby shipping yard, and THAT is just terrible...we can't do anything about it though, but it has caused people to be sent home.

If it's a policy, it needs to be enforced. In terms of employees...you get a friendly reminder, perhaps a couple of times...but if you refuse to comply, you are let go.

What about deodorant/anti-perspirant?

If they are banned too then I seriously doubt your building is 'scent' free ;)

Better yet, what if one decides to stop showering?

I am not sure what I think about it. When I was singing in the local choir there was a woman who would have asthma attacks when around certain perfumes, so we as a choir didn't wear any perfume at all, because we didn't want to make her sick. It wasn't a requirement or anything though, just us being nice.

I am not really sure what the point of a company wide ban is unless there is someone who is in danger, for example the church nursery is peanut free because there is a child who if she even breathes in peanuts can have a life threatening reaction. My kids classes are gluten free because it's so easy for them to get sick around it, but not the classes where they are not directly involved.

It seems like you should make accomidations for people if they are going to get sick if you don't, but if it's just "in case" it seems kinda silly to me.

Well there does seem to have a certain logic to it. I can understand the reasoning. I suppose I don't see anything wrong with it, but I have to admit I've never heard of such a thing before.
It's becoming more popular in the public sector, and even in the private sector...I hadn't heard of it until I started working here, but since then, I see the scent-free signs in many places.

I am wary anytime someone uses a lawsuit as "proof" that something exists. I've seen far, far too many plantiff's lawyers and their crap cases.
Too me, that lawsuit is only proof that if you don't want to get sued, you take these claims seriously.

This is what I was thinking actually. Ever spend an afternoon around several people in suits?

I think I'd prefer the artificial smell.

Try 88 degrees Fahrenheit in London, in a building with no air conditioning, and your company policy says "suits and ties at all times" when in front of the client.

It smelled like a hog farm in that building, especially when combined with the reek from the men's lavatory.

For some reason, a large number of buildings I visited in London had no adequate ventilation for lavatories, causing a constant draft of shit smell to radiate throughout the building.

Give me perfume and Lysol any day.

What do ye do with people who have BO? I doubt anyone has reactions to it (or do they?) but thats not a fair smell/scent to enforce on people either. I don't agree with the over all policy but if people have alergies thats different I suppose.

What about deodorant/anti-perspirant?

If they are banned too then I seriously doubt your building is 'scent' free ;)
There is definately leeway...and no, not all products are banned. It only becomes an issue if it affects a coworker, or if there is a complaint (other than very strong scents which are acted upon regardless of complaint). The intent is to mitigate the effect of strong scents that cause illness...not to be completely scent-free.

I like the idea, but.. hair products?

I like my shampoo to smell good. :(
Even that nice smelling shampoo is not likely to waft along with you to work unless you shower just scant minutes before showing up. It fades enough that no one has ever complained about shampoo. Hairspray though, is another issue, especially if reapplied during work hours.

uh... Sinuhue, a question....
I clicked your link of the FAQ and down a ways it says that cosmetics in Canada do not have to put an ingredients statement on the label, is that true?

if so, wow, that sucks.

If someone smells offensive, spray them head to toe with Febreze.

It really works.

If someone smells offensive, spray them head to toe with Febreze.

It really works.
LOL You really have tried this?!

I am not sure what I think about it. When I was singing in the local choir there was a woman who would have asthma attacks when around certain perfumes, so we as a choir didn't wear any perfume at all, because we didn't want to make her sick. It wasn't a requirement or anything though, just us being nice.

I am not really sure what the point of a company wide ban is unless there is someone who is in danger, for example the church nursery is peanut free because there is a child who if she even breathes in peanuts can have a life threatening reaction. My kids classes are gluten free because it's so easy for them to get sick around it, but not the classes where they are not directly involved.

It seems like you should make accomidations for people if they are going to get sick if you don't, but if it's just "in case" it seems kinda silly to me.
Like I've said, there are many people in the building that require this sort of policy because of health issues. Many of them have been working here much longer than the policy has been in place, so I imagine it was sparked by repeated health issues related to scents, and not just 'in case'.

Like I've said, there are many people in the building that require this sort of policy because of health issues. Many of them have been working here much longer than the policy has been in place, so I imagine it was sparked by repeated health issues related to scents, and not just 'in case'.
In that case, I think it's a good idea, I would hate to work for an employer who wanted me to be sick. ;)

LOL You really have tried this?!
Yes.

Works well on bad BO, the unbathed, and on people with offensive perfume or hairspray.

Harmless, and I've used it to prove that it's not an allergic reaction in most cases.

If the person is truly allergic, they'll react whether they can smell it or not.

If they're not allergic, a few shots of Febreze, and the complaints stop.

uh... Sinuhue, a question....
I clicked your link of the FAQ and down a ways it says that cosmetics in Canada do not have to put an ingredients statement on the label, is that true?

if so, wow, that sucks.
I can't verify it...I rarely if ever buy cosmetics...though on the few purchases I've made, I've never seen an ingredient list.

It sounds completely over-the-top to me, and I don't like smelling of anything.

How far does it go? Does it cover my bananas? What if I have houmous for lunch? What about the soap in the toilets? (Can you even get scent-free soap?)

I think it's much better that, if someone really detests a certain smell, they talk to the person creating it and sort something out between themselves. I've never even heard of anyone having an issue with this before...

In that case, I think it's a good idea, I would hate to work for an employer who wanted me to be sick. ;)
I doubt they would...but there has been a lot of resistance to this policy...not so much now, after six years...but I know it was the men in particular who objected to having to stop using cologne.

Creating entire 'scent-free' zones seems a little heavy-handed to me. Could you not work 'strong odour' into the normal workplace dress and appearance code? There are always some people who overdo the amount of cologne/perfume they use, but they can be dealt with on a case by case basis by management. People who are espescially susceptible to strong odours can be sat away from people who tend to use a lot of perfume.

I find society wants to over-regulate things that don't need to be.

My business involves a lot of workers workin' up a sweat. Not using deoderants etc, would result in a much less 'scent-free' work place. (And based on their beer and fast food diet, it wouldn't be anyway...)

In my opinion, they probably do this because it might lower insurance premiums if they make an effort to lower insurance risks in the workplace.

Don't they sell Febreze in Canada?

And this stuff is the shiznit...

http://www.zeroodorstore.com/read_more/

it actually works on skunk odor, etc.

I don't care what they smelled like when you start, they smell like nothing when the spray stops.

*starts shouting like Billy Mays on an infomercial*

Don't they sell Febreze in Canada?

And this stuff is the shiznit...

http://www.zeroodorstore.com/read_more/

it actually works on skunk odor, etc.

I don't care what they smelled like when you start, they smell like nothing when the spray stops.

*starts shouting like Billy Mays on an infomercial*

Oh yeah, it's good stuff. Used to carry a bottle of it in the car.

It sounds completely over-the-top to me, and I don't like smelling of anything.

How far does it go? Does it cover my bananas? What if I have houmous for lunch? What about the soap in the toilets? (Can you even get scent-free soap?)

I think it's much better that, if someone really detests a certain smell, they talk to the person creating it and sort something out between themselves. I've never even heard of anyone having an issue with this before...
The policies are very specific, so there's no need to get hysterical (I know this is NSG, but resist). Let me give you an example:

Sample: Scent-Free Policy

Policy:
Due to the health concerns arising from exposure to scented products, ABC Company Inc. has instituted this policy to provide a scent-free environment for all employees and visitors.

Definitions:
While we acknowledge that the medical community is uncertain if there is a cause-and-effect relationship between scents and disease, we respect the symptoms experienced by members of this company.

The use of scented products will not be allowed within the building at any time. In addition, all materials used for cleaning will be scent-free (where ever possible).

A list of locally available scent-free products is available from the health and safety office.

Procedure:
Employees will be informed of this policy through signs posted in buildings, the policy manual, promotional materials and will receive orientation and training.

Visitors will be informed of this policy through signs and it will be explained to them by their host.


Any violations of this policy will be handled through standard disciplinary procedures.

Before a policy is implemented, it is recommended that a survey be done to find out if this is even needed. 'Scented products' and almost always refer to manufactured goods such as lotions, perfumes, etc, not food or natural odors, though in our case, certain plants were included because of specific allergies.

And again...these are policies, not laws.

Yes.

Works well on bad BO, the unbathed, and on people with offensive perfume or hairspray.

Harmless, and I've used it to prove that it's not an allergic reaction in most cases.

If the person is truly allergic, they'll react whether they can smell it or not.

If they're not allergic, a few shots of Febreze, and the complaints stop.


Right I must try it on the next smelly person i meet!!

I'm not alleregic to anything I'm aware of.
I am sensitive to smells,though. I cant stand the smell of too much cologne or perfume, or cleaners.I dont complain, and havent made an issue ever.
A few years ago, a coworker called me Hannibal because I would often walk into her office and correctly tell her what she had for lunch or what soap she used.

I guess its one more thing that can make someone miserable though. If I had no choice but to work right next to someone that doused themselves in English Leather or ate too much clam dip and dark Heinekens every night,then farted next to me all day, maybe I'd be interested in rules to protect me from smells.

Crazy people with their perfumes and cologne and smoking breathes...

Right I must try it on the next smelly person i meet!!

Here's what Zero Odor says:

Independent laboratory studies of Zero Odor's power

The scientific instrument that most accurately measures odors is the Gas Chromatograph. This instrument can measure odor down to only a few parts per million � levels that are imperceptible to the noses of humans or animals.

Soiled cat litter has long been characterized as the source of the worst household odor. When the odor from soiled cat litter is entered into the Chromatograph it registers at levels that are highly offensive to humans and 100 times more powerful to cats.

When those same samples of litter are sprayed with Zero Odor, the Gas Chromatograph levels fall to zero on all odor measurements - meaning that the litter odor will no longer be detectable by the human nose nor by the much more sensitive nose of the cat.

The same levels of zero on the Gas Chromatograph are reached when Zero Odor is applied to two-day old garbage, soiled diapers, garlic and onion juice - even skunk spray.

I understand the problem. If we turn it over to the government to enforce, we're losing our ability to make decisions based on common sense. Look at all the stupid zero-tolerance policies in force. Here's another one in the making. I guess my confidence is in the people concerned to work out the problem, rather than relying on yet another law to inconvenience everyone equally.

And again...these are policies, not laws.

Except employers apply policies to employees like they were laws sometimes.

I can't verify it...I rarely if ever buy cosmetics...though on the few purchases I've made, I've never seen an ingredient list.
that makes me sad :( If I lived in Canada I wouldn't be able to buy any cosmetics without going to the store writing down the brand name, shade, UPC code, and batch number, going home calling the company, and then going back to the store hoping to find the right package.

That would make my life even more sucky.

I did a happy dance when the made my office smoke free. I wish they would make it scent-free. There are only five women at this place and I'm the only one who doesn't wear perfume or cologne. If the others were just using scented soaps, shampoos and deodorant, it would be fine, but they wear perfume and, not only do the respective scents clash with each other, but I have a full-blown allergic reaction every time I go in - watery eyes, sneezing, sniffling, sinus headache, itching.

There are plenty of other places where one can wear perfume, places I can choose not to attend - movies, restaurants, etc., but I have to go to work.

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Exactly how are 'standard disciplinary procedures' applied to visitors? Or does someone reeking of perfume not gain admittance?

I understand the problem. If we turn it over to the government to enforce, we're losing our ability to make decisions based on common sense. Look at all the stupid zero-tolerance policies in force. Here's another one in the making. I guess my confidence is in the people concerned to work out the problem, rather than relying on yet another law to inconvenience everyone equally.
It's not a law.

Except employers apply policies to employees like they were laws sometimes.
That is their right.

Just like dress codes, and assorted other requirements.

What a ridiculous idea ,surely the banning of scents from the work place is a breach of human rights.This is obviously a joke right,if not maybe we should look into having an inspector of paper in case some papers are more likely to give you paper cuts,we can't have that health and saftey an all.
Forget what i just said final solution time.
Office Law:
1.grey boiler suits only(dicrepencies are punishable by death).
2.plain white plimsole's " " " ".
3.hair to be no longer than shoulder length.
4.nail polish and makeup strictly forbidden.
5.annoying chat with co workers strictly forbidden.
6.photocopying your arse frowned upon.
7.farting ,automaticaly hung drawn and quartered.

Exactly how are 'standard disciplinary procedures' applied to visitors? Or does someone reeking of perfume not gain admittance?
Pretty much. It's pointed out that there are people in the building who would be adversely affected by the scent. You can't just waltz into the building anyway, you must be escorted, so it's not hard to do.

HOWEVER, we have had a LOT of problems with the mucky-mucks from the regional office wandering in with their cologne on....but they seem to get away with it, being the bosses of our bosses. Believe me, that pisses a lot of us off. But hypocrisy exists in every organisation.

It's not a law.
Yeah, I figured that out, finally. Workplace policies are just fine by me.

As Emily Litella was fond of saying, "Never mind".

That is their right.

Just like dress codes, and assorted other requirements.

Yes, but it's got be done in democratic manner or employees start leaving. If the boss disregards the policies he/she/it implements, then there's an issue.

Carvion']What a ridiculous idea ,surely the banning of scents from the work place is a breach of human rights.
Yes, clearly Article 89 states that, "The wearing of scents is guranteed under the Declaration of Human Rights".:rolleyes:

Yeah, I figured that out, finally. Workplace policies are just fine by me.

As Emily Litella was fond of saying, "Never mind".
Thanks:) People tend to get all up in arms immediately about things like this, when really, it's not about pissing in everyone's coffee...it's a minor inconvenience in order to avoid major inconveniences. How much effort does it take to NOT spray on that perfume in the morning, as opposed to the amount of worker productivity lost when four or more people on the floor have serious allergic reactions to it?

Yes, but it's got be done in democratic manner or employees start leaving. If the boss disregards the policies he/she/it implements, then there's an issue.
Trust me, in the grande scheme of things to get pissed about in the workplace, this is down at about number 40,000.

Pretty much. It's pointed out that there are people in the building who would be adversely affected by the scent. You can't just waltz into the building anyway, you must be escorted, so it's not hard to do.

HOWEVER, we have had a LOT of problems with the mucky-mucks from the regional office wandering in with their cologne on....but they seem to get away with it, being the bosses of our bosses. Believe me, that pisses a lot of us off. But hypocrisy exists in every organisation.

Yeah, well mucky-mucks tend to leave a foul odour regardless of how they smell. Thus is the right of the mucky-mucks.

Carvion']What a ridiculous idea ,surely the banning of scents from the work place is a breach of human rights.This is obviously a joke right,if not maybe we should look into having an inspector of paper in case some papers are more likely to give you paper cuts,we can't have that health and saftey an all.
Forget what i just said final solution time.
Office Law:
1.grey boiler suits only(dicrepencies are punishable by death).
2.plain white plimsole's " " " ".
3.hair to be no longer than shoulder length.
4.nail polish and makeup strictly forbidden.
5.annoying chat with co workers strictly forbidden.
6.photocopying your arse frowned upon.
7.farting ,automaticaly hung drawn and quartered.


You laugh, but this is exactly what my boss requires.

Interesting. My office would probably benefit from such a policy; there are several people here who have strong reactions to scents. A woman who sits near me breaks out in hives if she is near someone wearing a strong perfume or someone uses a cleaning product such as Lysol or Clorox wipes at a desk near her. I myself have had to go home several times because of migraines caused by strong scents.

What I'm really interested in, though, is the requirement that employees not use scented products prior to work hours. I use scented shampoos; would that mean that I would have to cease using them? What about laundry detergents or fabric softeners? There are people at my office who don't use perfume or cologne, but if you get within a few feet of them you can smell their clothes (don't ask me how that happens, I have no idea - my clothes never do that). Does your workplace even have the right, legally speaking, to regulate what you do in the privacy of your own home? Just wondering, since I don't really know anything about the issue.

EDIT: I know it doesn't take much effort to change your morning routine slightly so as not to inconvenience your coworkers. As a workplace policy, I have no problem with it, it probably helps productivity a lot. I'm just curious about how it would affect what you do at home.

Yeah, well mucky-mucks tend to leave a foul odour regardless of how they smell. Thus is the right of the mucky-mucks.
I'll bet that the brass from the other office would be willing to forgo cologne or perfume if someone at the local office made that request. Especially if the request was made with a little explanation behind it, like "Sinuhue gets really ill from some of the scents that people typically wear." Most of these people aren't ogres, they can't help when they haven't been asked.

You laugh, but this is exactly what my boss requires.
I've worked in places where there were no coffee makers or water coolers. The bosses got rid of them because of the idle chatter that started up around them. I didn't work there long, by the way.

I'll bet that the brass from the other office would be willing to forgo cologne or perfume if someone at the local office made that request. Especially if the request was made with a little explanation behind it, like "Sinuhue gets really ill from some of the scents that people typically wear." Most of these people aren't ogres, they can't help when they haven't been asked.

No doubt. But I'm sure the same holds true on the opposite end of the spectrum. 'Executive Privelege' is a fact of both public and private enterprise. (And I'm slightly off topic. I'll stop hijacking now.)

EDIT: I know it doesn't take much effort to change your morning routine slightly so as not to inconvenience your coworkers. As a workplace policy, I have no problem with it, it probably helps productivity a lot. I'm just curious about how it would affect what you do at home.
The 'prior to work' thing is generally about not spraying perfume on as you walk out the door...but it also means not lathering yourself up in scented body lotion. If the scent comes with you, and is strong, don't do it before work.

I'll bet that the brass from the other office would be willing to forgo cologne or perfume if someone at the local office made that request. Especially if the request was made with a little explanation behind it, like "Sinuhue gets really ill from some of the scents that people typically wear." Most of these people aren't ogres, they can't help when they haven't been asked.
They've been asked. It's just a handful of repeat offenders...but they figure they're just in and out of the building, so it shouldn't matter.

The 'prior to work' thing is generally about not spraying perfume on as you walk out the door...but it also means not lathering yourself up in scented body lotion. If the scent comes with you, and is strong, don't do it before work.
*nods* Okay, that makes sense. I'd probably be a much happier cookie at work if a similar policy were implemented here. :)

They've been asked. It's just a handful of repeat offenders...but they figure they're just in and out of the building, so it shouldn't matter.
That stinks, figuratively and literally. Most people that I know in upper management are more considerate of their employees.

I suppose if I were your boss, I'd send you on an errand when I knew the odorous few were on the way over.

Whats the policy/punishment for farting at work? He who smelt it dealt it and must work overtime?

Whats the policy/punishment for farting at work? He who smelt it dealt it and must work overtime?
No more beans for you!

No more beans for you!



but... but... *runs out of the room pouting with arms flailing*






TGification

All but unscented and hypo-allergenic antiperspirants are banned in hospitals. That means: no make-up, no nail polish, no perfumes, no scented shampoos or body lotions, no jewellery, no nothing. It's all good. :)

All but unscented and hypo-allergenic antiperspirants are banned in hospitals. That means: no make-up, no nail polish, no perfumes, no scented shampoos or body lotions, no jewellery, no nothing. It's all good. :)
OH THE OPPRESSION!!!

sounds a bit odd to me. i mean i don't like perfumes and colognes - there's very few that i find tolerable on my nostrels - but i'm not allergic to them. i didn't know you could be allergic to scents on other people - does it follow the same principle as nut allergy people who can have an allergic reaction set off by being somewhere where some peanut oil vapour might be lingering?

Whats the policy/punishment for farting at work? He who smelt it dealt it and must work overtime?


The dealer has to scratch and sniff his own seat

I use The Body Crystal (http://www.bodycrystal.com.au/) as a deodorant. It's all natural, works great and lasts forever (a year).

The dealer has to scratch and sniff his own seat


That's not a punishment. We all like our own brand :p

That's not a punishment. We all like our own brand :p


Though my brand isnt so terrible since I've been eating right, I still dont like it.

I use The Body Crystal (http://www.bodycrystal.com.au/) as a deodorant. It's all natural, works great and lasts forever (a year).


I work from home mostly and I only wear deodorant from time to time.

When I do wear deodorant, I use speed stick's sport talc- Its very dry stick deodorant, with very little scent. And it works good.

otherwise, I think a healthy diet, plenty of water and reasonable hygiene greatly reduce the need for deodorants.

I dont wear it when I work out or work outside-I think its healthy to work up a good sweat and let it flow freely.

I can verify that what you eat makes a big difference in the odour of your gaseous emissions. As a vegetarian, my 'stink bombs' are quite tolerable.

Sinner you know what you need at your work? Negative ion generators (with HEPA filters), the anti-ozone kind. They neutralize odors (and air particles) extreemely well. I think something like that would make it a lot easier on everyone.

I have one at my house and it keeps air particles down and the house smelling fresh. It's almost like being in the mountains.

I work from home mostly and I only wear deodorant from time to time.

When I do wear deodorant, I use speed stick's sport talc- Its very dry stick deodorant, with very little scent. And it works good.

otherwise, I think a healthy diet, plenty of water and reasonable hygiene greatly reduce the need for deodorants.

I dont wear it when I work out or work outside-I think its healthy to work up a good sweat and let it flow freely.

I don't have a terible smell but all the garlic I eat (I cannot give up the garlic) does give me a special scent when I sweat profusely from working out. With the all natural body crystal there is no scent whatsoever... its the same price as a regular deoderant but lasts 10 times as long.

The building I work in has been non-smoking for about twenty years. For the past six, it has also been 'scent free'. Perfumes and colognes are not allowed, neither are flowers. No scented products of any kinds are to be used prior to, or during work hours, including hand creams, hair products, etc. During Christmas, poinsettias are strictly forbidden, as some of my colleagues are deadly allergic to them. In fact, many people, including myself, react very strongly to scents...colognes or perfumes give me an instant migraine. Other people are not in the slightest bit affected by scents.

So what do you think about this requirement? It is not voluntary, else it would be completely ineffective. There is a discipline process in place to deal with people who do not comply, and there is a move to have all government buildings at all levels become scent-free as well.

Sounds like it takes something that might be a good idea, and then goes to the point of ridiculous.

First of all, there is no such thing as a scent-free hair product, lotion, deodorant, etc. They all smell like something. Admittedly, some have rather overpowering scents, and those could certainly be banned, but this seems a bit on the silly side. I'm certainly not going to work somewhere that I have to avoid putting on lotion - which I need to keep my cuticles from cracking and bleeding and to keep my skin from itching to the point that I can't stand it - just in case someone might complain that I smell like lotion.

I don't have a terible smell but all the garlic I eat (I cannot give up the garlic) does give me a special scent when I sweat profusely from working out. With the all natural body crystal there is no scent whatsoever... its the same price as a regular deoderant but lasts 10 times as long.

I eat a lot of raw garlic, and very undercooked garlic and that may play a factor.
Loving garlic, you know the more you cut it up or smash it & cook it, the stronger it is. So that probably contributes to the scent of perspriration.

I can verify that what you eat makes a big difference in the odour of your gaseous emissions. As a vegetarian, my 'stink bombs' are quite tolerable.

Sinner you know what you need at your work? Negative ion generators (with HEPA filters), the anti-ozone kind. They neutralize odors (and air particles) extreemely well. I think something like that would make it a lot easier on everyone.

I have one at my house and it keeps air particles down and the house smelling fresh. It's almost like being in the mountains.


I live in the mountains now-there are plenty of smells !

Don't they sell Febreze in Canada?

And this stuff is the shiznit...

http://www.zeroodorstore.com/read_more/

it actually works on skunk odor, etc.

I don't care what they smelled like when you start, they smell like nothing when the spray stops.

*starts shouting like Billy Mays on an infomercial*

Febreze doesn't make things smell like "nothing." It makes things smell like Febreze - which has its own odor.

That's the problem with such a policy. Any product you use is going to have a scent - even if it is technically "unscented" or even meant to cover up a given scent. And any scent can potentially be offensive to another person.

Obviously anyone who is truly having a reaction to a given scent should be taken into account. But, in my experience, this only happens if they are in very close proximity or the person wearing the scent is wearing *way* too much of it.

I live in the mountains now-there are plenty of smells !


I know, but I mean the freshness of the air part.

Thanks:) People tend to get all up in arms immediately about things like this, when really, it's not about pissing in everyone's coffee...it's a minor inconvenience in order to avoid major inconveniences. How much effort does it take to NOT spray on that perfume in the morning, as opposed to the amount of worker productivity lost when four or more people on the floor have serious allergic reactions to it?

The problem is that the rule, as stated, isn't restricted to things that are going to cause "major inconveniences." It might be enforced that way - but if that is how they are going to use it, why not actually state it that way?

The 'prior to work' thing is generally about not spraying perfume on as you walk out the door...but it also means not lathering yourself up in scented body lotion. If the scent comes with you, and is strong, don't do it before work.

All lotion has a scent of some sort. And, depending on the time of year, I'm not going to be very productive at work if I *don't* "lather myself up in lotion."

Sounds like it takes something that might be a good idea, and then goes to the point of ridiculous.

First of all, there is no such thing as a scent-free hair product, lotion, deodorant, etc. They all smell like something. Admittedly, some have rather overpowering scents, and those could certainly be banned, but this seems a bit on the silly side. I'm certainly not going to work somewhere that I have to avoid putting on lotion - which I need to keep my cuticles from cracking and bleeding and to keep my skin from itching to the point that I can't stand it - just in case someone might complain that I smell like lotion.
I haven't changed my routine at all. I think many of you are extrapolating this to the ridiculous point, rather than actually looking at it as a policy that basically tries to get rid of the most overpowering scents. "Scent-free policy" is perhaps simplistic, but much better than "Overpowering scents of certain specified products and/or plants only policy".

The problem is that the rule, as stated, isn't restricted to things that are going to cause "major inconveniences." It might be enforced that way - but if that is how they are going to use it, why not actually state it that way? Because it's not a law. There isn't a need to go to a ridiculous extent to close up every loophole.

Rule of thumb: if you aren't sure the product you want to use is okay, ask.

Because it's not a law. There isn't a need to go to a ridiculous extent to close up every loophole.

Rule of thumb: if you aren't sure the product you want to use is okay, ask.

The problem is that the "ridiculous extent" is the rule they have already written, which, as you stated, includes "Don't use any (scented) lotion before work." Considering that there is truly no such thing as a "scent-free" lotion, the rule goes to a ridiculous extent - somewhere it doesn't need to go.

It would be much easier - and less of a potential problem - to state a policy by which complaints about scents are handled - and to point out that the scent in question has to be strong. Instead, they have a policy that could be misused by an asshole employeed to complain that he doesn't like the way such-and-such smells.

I'm not asking for every loophole to be closed. I'm asking for the policy to actually state what you claim to be the intent. Instead, it's like wanting to make a rule against gaudy accessories or jewelry that might get caught in equipment, and instead saying, "NO ACCESSORIES!!!!"

The problem is that the "ridiculous extent" is the rule they have already written, which, as you stated, includes "Don't use any (scented) lotion before work." Considering that there is truly no such thing as a "scent-free" lotion, the rule goes to a ridiculous extent - somewhere it doesn't need to go.

It would be much easier - and less of a potential problem - to state a policy by which complaints about scents are handled - and to point out that the scent in question has to be strong. Instead, they have a policy that could be misused by an asshole employeed to complain that he doesn't like the way such-and-such smells.

I'm not asking for every loophole to be closed. I'm asking for the policy to actually state what you claim to be the intent. Instead, it's like wanting to make a rule against gaudy accessories or jewelry that might get caught in equipment, and instead saying, "NO ACCESSORIES!!!!"Dem, you haven't read the policy, because I haven't posted it, so you actually have no idea what it says or doesn't say. Getting all fired up about it, based on my interpretation of the policy (which I will not allow to be defined by you, nor will I squabble about semantics and 'degree of scented') is pointless. Look up an actual policy, and see what it has to say, and then if you want, you can get indignant.

But when the wind shifts, we do get diesel fumes from a nearby shipping yard, and THAT is just terrible...we can't do anything about it though, but it has caused people to be sent home.
Okay, those people are lame. I don't want them working in my office.

And my hair smells pretty. People tell me that all the time.

Scent: having a smell
Scented: having had a scent added

Okay, those people are lame. I don't want them working in my office. No, it's really overpowering, the diesel fumes. And yet they refuse to install carbon monoxide metres to find out if the levels are safe or not...

Dem, you haven't read the policy, because I haven't posted it, so you actually have no idea what it says or doesn't say.

No, but I went with the information given. If I'm not supposed to take the information given in the OP as information to be discussed, I apologize, but that is the way it is usually done.

Scent: having a smell
Scented: having had a scent added

Those are your definitions, or policy definitions, or none of the above?

No, it's really overpowering, the diesel fumes. And yet they refuse to install carbon monoxide metres to find out if the levels are safe or not...
If there's open air around the site, and open air between you and the source of the fumes, then the CO levels are safe.

CO concentrations need to be quite high before they're harmful.

No, it's really overpowering, the diesel fumes. And yet they refuse to install carbon monoxide metres to find out if the levels are safe or not...

Actually, that reminds me of my warehousing days. I was always amazed when someone from an enclosed office in another part of the building was able to smell diesel when a truck backed into the dock. Granted, there was no reason to leave a truck running while it was being loaded. I was just amazed at the vehemence from people in an isolated part of the building when I was actually in the warehouse and wasn't complaining. (We're talking about a 115,000 sq. ft. warehouse, which is quite separate from the office area.)

No, but I went with the information given. If I'm not supposed to take the information given in the OP as information to be discussed, I apologize, but that is the way it is usually done. Yes, I'm quite aware of your tendency to nitpick. Don't take my OP as a legal document...is that fair enough?



Those are your definitions, or policy definitions, or none of the above?
Something I added in just for the hell of it. Rock on.

So, if I'm lactose intolerant, and the workplace sponsors an in-office ice cream social (we had one here a few weeks ago), and I turn instantly flatulent and gaseous, who is to blame for the smell?

We have a lot of social events at work that are mandatory.

Actually, that reminds me of my warehousing days. I was always amazed when someone from an enclosed office in another part of the building was able to smell diesel when a truck backed into the dock. Granted, there was no reason to leave a truck running while it was being loaded. I was just amazed at the vehemence from people in an isolated part of the building when I was actually in the warehouse and wasn't complaining. (We're talking about a 115,000 sq. ft. warehouse, which is quite separate from the office area.)
The problem is that our air intake is right across from the shipping yard. As well, when we get deliveries, we get a double whammy, since the loading dock is conveniently located directed adjascent to that air intake. Brilliance in design I say!

We have a lot of social events at work that are mandatory.

Then you should work somewhere that doesn't model its office policy on Stalinism.

Then you should work somewhere that doesn't model its office policy on Stalinism.
More like Emperor Ming the Merciless.

"All shall make merry, on pain of death."

More like Emperor Ming the Merciless.

"All shall make merry, on pain of death."
Somewhere, somehow, there has to be a happy medium between forced merry-making and forced isolation/drudgery.

So, if I'm lactose intolerant, and the workplace sponsors an in-office ice cream social (we had one here a few weeks ago), and I turn instantly flatulent and gaseous, who is to blame for the smell?

We have a lot of social events at work that are mandatory.


If you tell them you are lactose intolerant and they force you to eat ice cream then I would think that you have a right to sue but I'd just go find a new job.


A thoughtful boss would bring you sorbet or soy ice cream.

The problem is that our air intake is right across from the shipping yard. As well, when we get deliveries, we get a double whammy, since the loading dock is conveniently located directed adjascent to that air intake. Brilliance in design I say!

Hmm. Sounds like you're going to have to get a fleet of hydrogen-powered trucks.

Or new architects.

Hmm. Sounds like you're going to have to get a fleet of hydrogen-powered trucks.

Or new architects.
Or respirators...

Somewhere, somehow, there has to be a happy medium between forced merry-making and forced isolation/drudgery.

There was. But the government hunted it down and had it shot.

Carvion']What a ridiculous idea ,surely the banning of scents from the work place is a breach of human rights.This is obviously a joke right,if not maybe we should look into having an inspector of paper in case some papers are more likely to give you paper cuts,we can't have that health and saftey an all.
Forget what i just said final solution time.
Office Law:
1.grey boiler suits only(dicrepencies are punishable by death).
2.plain white plimsole's " " " ".
3.hair to be no longer than shoulder length.
4.nail polish and makeup strictly forbidden.
5.annoying chat with co workers strictly forbidden.
6.photocopying your arse frowned upon.
7.farting ,automaticaly hung drawn and quartered.
That one juxtaposed with the other requirements comes out to be hilarious.

What I would be wondering is what the heck is it in your building's environment that causes so many people who are so highly sensitive to scent to congregate there.

Is there something (like the diesel fumes) that is making people ill?

Otherwise -- sounds pretty bizarre.

What I would be wondering is what the heck is it in your building's environment that causes so many people who are so highly sensitive to scent to congregate there.

Is there something (like the diesel fumes) that is making people ill?

Otherwise -- sounds pretty bizarre.
There are two ladies who are highly allergic to poinsettias in particular, but also to any other flowers with strong scents. One has had to be hospitalised because of her allergy on a number of occasions. When it was discovered that some live plants in the building were full of mold/mildew, they were torn out and replaced with silk plants...that greatly reduced allergies in the building. Other people are allergic to, or highly sensitive to perfumes, either straight perfumes/colognes, or perfumes in lotions etc. For these people, there are no flare ups without a source of strong scent.

The diesel fume issue, however, just doesn't get addressed at all.

It looks like many people didn't read the first link I provided, so I'll copy and paste some parts I think are important to take into consideration:

What is meant by "scent-free"?
When we talk about "scents", we usually mean the smells or odours from cosmetics (perfume, make-up, shampoo, deodorant, etc) or from other products such as air fresheners, cleaners, etc.
However, there is no exact definition of "scent free", "fragrance-free" or "unscented". According to the Lung Association of New Brunswick, there is currently no standardization or restrictions of these terms in industry. The following definitions are suggested:
"A product that is "fragrance-free" is likely to be totally odorless. A product labelled "scent-free" could mean that no scent has been added to the chemicals already used to make it. Presently the cosmetic industry uses the terms "fragrance-free" and "unscented" virtually without restriction. Look at the label. If the word "fragrance" or "flavour" is in the list of ingredients, it is NOT fragrance free".
What steps should I take when implementing a scent-free policy in the workplace?
The situation may arise and create the need for a scent-free policy. As with most workplace policies, be sure to consider the following:
• Conduct an assessment or survey of the employees to determine the extent of the problem. Collect opinions and suggestions at the same time to help you develop a policy appropriate to your workplace. (A sample survey is located at the end of this document.)
• Designate one key person to oversee the project and its development. If you work at a large company, it may better to create a committee with members representing all groups (employees, unions, management).
• Involve the health and safety committee, and get management commitment from the beginning.
• Set and stick to deadlines for creating a draft policy, a review of the policy, and for implementation.
• Be sure that all employees have been fully informed of the policy and that they know what they have to do before the policy becomes effective.
• Educate the employees. You may choose to include brochures or flyers in payroll envelopes, publish articles in company newsletter, or give presentations. In any case, the goal is to inform all employees of the health concerns related to scents and why the policy is needed.
• Address any concerns the employees raise openly and honestly. Reinforce the idea that this policy is being implemented as a result of medical concerns - not merely because of a dislike for a certain smell.
• Make it clear that the policy applies to everyone (including visitors, patients, etc).
• Search local legislation for any supporting documentation.
• Do not limit the scent free policy to perfumes and colognes. As listed above, many cleaning and personal care products also have scents.
• Post a list of "approved" unscented products and where they are available locally.
• Review all MSDSs for the products currently used and for those you are considering using. Make sure that the ingredients are acceptable. Remember that some products which claim to be scent-free may be using additional chemicals to mask smells instead of truly being "unscented".
• Conduct trials in limited areas before purchasing large quantities of a product.
• Post notices that waxing, shampooing, painting, or spraying (etc) will be conducted one week beforehand so that affected personnel can make arrangements or have their duties modified during that time.
• Put the policy statement notice on all appointment cards, stationery, room booking notices, employment postings, etc
• Decide on wording for 'Scent Free' signs and where the signs will be posted.
• Let everyone know that the policy will be reviewed and can be changed because of experience or new knowledge.

Are there alternatives to a scent-free policy?
Try to identify the exact source of the problem, if possible. Reduce all emissions from building materials, cleaning products, etc.
Maintain good indoor air quality. Ensure that air is being replaced with fresh air, and that scents are not simply being recycled throughout the building.
If the source is an employee, try asking the person to wear a lighter scent, or less of it. A general guideline may to be ask that any scent should not be detectable at more than an arm's length from the individual.

What I would be wondering is what the heck is it in your building's environment that causes so many people who are so highly sensitive to scent to congregate there.

Is there something (like the diesel fumes) that is making people ill?

Otherwise -- sounds pretty bizarre.
Yeah, what the hell? I mean, were these people brought up in a special environment with no plants or artificial scents? Or cars?

Yeah, what the hell? I mean, were these people brought up in a special environment with no plants or artificial scents? Or cars?
Severe allergies don't necessarily manifest from birth.

I know in my case, my sensitivity to strong scents has only been a problem in the past five years. Before that, there WAS no problem.

Fair. Just... such a concentration seems... odd.

Fair. Just... such a concentration seems... odd.
Of people will allergies? There are three hundred plus people working in this building, and about a dozen total with severe allergies. I don't think that's a huge ratio.

Of people will allergies? There are three hundred plus people working in this building, and about a dozen total with severe allergies. I don't think that's a huge ratio.

This whole thread reminds me of the whole peanut butter allergy thing in elementary schools.

Why does there seem to be a rash of deathly allergies across the nation? I don't remember children choking to death on peanut spores when I was in school. People may have had allergies, but nothing so severe as what seems almost commonplace nowadays. (Note that I don't begrudge the actions of schools preventing peanut butter in school if it means some children will be healthier for it. I just find it odd that it seems so prevalent.)

Are we just more concerned with a shared environment than we once were? Did class-action lawsuits change the way we operate as a society? Or is there really some strange inexplicable jump in allergy levels?

actually, I have heard that food allergies are becoming more prevalent. I bet it is because of GMO foods, pesticides, BGH, mercury and other pollutants and shit like that.