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http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/01/asia/web.0801indo.php
Indonesian province embraces Islamic law
By JANE PERLEZ The New York Times
Published: August 1, 2006

BANDA ACEH, Indonesia Across this most religious of Indonesia's provinces, brown uniformed policemen in black wagons enforce Shariah, or Islamic law. They haul unmarried couples into precincts and arrest people for drinking or gambling. Increasingly, many of the cases are pushed to the ultimate conclusion, public canings at mosques in front of pumped-up crowds.

In mid-July, a 27-year-old man sentenced to 40 lashes fainted on the seventh stroke of a rattan cane from a hooded man in the yard of a mosque here in the provincial capital.

The caning was televised nationally, with an announcer reporting that the man, who had been arrested for drinking at a beachside stall, would receive the remainder of his punishment once he had recovered.

Why is it that these much more intrusive, much less liberal forms of Islam seem to be gaining so much ground, even in traditionally much more liberal, secular Muslim countries?

Let's try to figure out some real reasons here, and keep the slander outside.

Its a form of state control?
I'm all in favour of ppl having religion but it should be kept private and out of the public shpere.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/08/01/asia/web.0801indo.php


Why is it that these much more intrusive, much less liberal forms of Islam seem to be gaining so much ground, even in traditionally much more liberal, secular Muslim countries?

Let's try to figure out some real reasons here, and keep the slander outside.


I'll try to give it to you, slander free.

Most of mankind - whether you look in Africa or Asia - is definetely getting [b]sick[b] of saecular values.
Most humans prefer some form of fundamentalism.
Of course they are wrong - but that does not make them wish for it any less.

To some extent, it does not really matter which religion - provided it satitsfies the popular demand for absolute truths, fallacious or not.

Because state control is nice.

they nuts that all i can say with out getting my ass kick

Funny how Sharia has been increasing, not disappearing, since the US war on terror began.

Funny how Sharia has been increasing, not disappearing, since the US war on terror began.

Funny how the tide did not stop when we built a dyke?

Bush = King kanute?

Bush = King kanute?

You mean he hasn't tried that? I'm actually surprised.

muslims. theyare so barbaric. hello, we're in the 21st century, not the 11th.

this also shows that provinces should not be allowed to have their own laws.

Why is it that these much more intrusive, much less liberal forms of Islam seem to be gaining so much ground, even in traditionally much more liberal, secular Muslim countries?

Let's try to figure out some real reasons here, and keep the slander outside.
People fear uncertainty. Islam ( and many other religions ) promise certainty. They lie.

Control, control,control, and lets not forget control. Oh, and greed.

Those guys live above me. I live in only city in Australia bombed by the Japanese during WW2.

Those guys live above me.

Wot? In the clouds?

Errinundera']Wot? In the clouds?

I wish, North ... a boat trip away.

Why is it that these much more intrusive, much less liberal forms of Islam seem to be gaining so much ground, even in traditionally much more liberal, secular Muslim countries?

taking a sweeping view of it, i'd say mainly a reaction against modernism and the revolutionary nature of capitalism. it's essentially the same as why the fundies are the religious groups gaining any ground in the united states.

They can't take out their frustrations on East Timorese so they turn to their own.

They can't take out their frustrations on East Timorese so they turn to their own.

OOC if they did that they be at war with my nation so let them do it to their own

taking a sweeping view of it, i'd say mainly a reaction against modernism and the revolutionary nature of capitalism. it's essentially the same as why the fundies are the religious groups gaining any ground in the united states.

It's less a "capitalism" thing.

Let's look at it more simply.

In order to understand a scientific view of the world, where everything is completely rational and backed up by research, and fairly emotionless, you have to have a modicum of education - and it's getting harder all the time.

How many of you can, in detail, without reference to source material, explain quantum theory, evolution, or the big bang? Modern economics?

So the average world citizen can't fall back on that. And it makes them feel insecure. Their nation is not doing "the best" in the world, nor is their ethnic group, and they need a simple explanation as to "why?".

This old "why" is far more accessible than any modern theory - and it provokes an emotional reaction in many people.

Funny how Sharia has been increasing, not disappearing, since the US war on terror began.
It had been increasing before the WOT as well. It's because the Saudi Wahabbi clerics get a shitload of oil money and spend it on building mosques, madrassas, and Islamic cultural centers throughout the world that teach the most hatefull form of Islam.

It's less a "capitalism" thing.

Let's look at it more simply.

In order to understand a scientific view of the world, where everything is completely rational and backed up by research, and fairly emotionless, you have to have a modicum of education - and it's getting harder all the time.

nah - people seem quite happy not understanding a damn thing, as long as they have gotten used to continuous waves of dramatic social changes. capitalism and modernism more generally overthrow any old orders they come across (including ones they created) as a matter of course. but people have a tendency to get set in their ways and be disturbed and frightened by change; especially when that change seems to be beyond their control. so they grasp for something to make the world solid again. and it just so happens that there is a ready-made solidifier standing by to move in.