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You are obliged to watch this video. It is over an hour long, and visual quality isn't up to Hollywood standards, but it kept me riveted to the edge of my seat, and I believe it will do the same for you.

It's really an eye-opening experience. Here's the link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&q=Obsession%3A

Fuck that.

Summation please, then you might get me to watch the first five minutes.

I stopped watching after I saw the " If Loose Change blew your mind" in the description

but I did giggle about the radical Muslim with the Israeli made UZI that always cracks me up

I am obliged to inform you that I am not subject to your arbitrary whims.

Fuck that.

Summation please, then you might get me to watch the first five minutes.
Basically shows why we have terrorists. If you watch the first five minutes, you won't be able to stop watching the rest, so go ahead and make me proud.

HonestReporting.com? Hmm.

Errr.. no. American Beauty or Robocop, those keep you on the edge of your seat. This I doubt.

HonestReporting.com? Hmm.

Type it in, the title of the webpage is this:

"HonestReporting: monitoring mideast media anti-Isreal bias."

Type it in, the title of the webpage is this:

"HonestReporting: monitoring mideast media anti-Isreal bias."
Oh no, I know what it is. Nice and neutral.

Oh no, I know what it is. Nice and neutral.
On waffles and other pastries yes, Israel no.

You are obliged to watch this video. It is over an hour long, and visual quality isn't up to Hollywood standards, but it kept me riveted to the edge of my seat, and I believe it will do the same for you.

It's really an eye-opening experience. Here's the link:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6162397493278181614&q=Obsession%3A

You are under investigation for commiting illegal attempts at hypnosis and mind control. You shall soon be taken in for questioning. Thank you and have a nice 105... 104...
:D

The film, from the synopsis, seems to make the direct comparison between nazi germany and radical muslims.

This, of course, may be a valid comparison on some grounds, but it is a practically useless comparison to us.

Basically shows why we have terrorists. If you watch the first five minutes, you won't be able to stop watching the rest, so go ahead and make me proud.

watched the first five it gets to Chechen rebels which is odd really and lets not forget this is clearly just a film designed to scare you

Actually I think a good part of why we have terrorists has to do with this (http://www.anchorflagandflagpole.com/USA.jpg)

I watched it. Great movie. They do point out that the radicals are only a segment of the Islamic population. This movie is quite credible. They mainly use interviews with those formerly involved in terrorist organizations and taped speeches from Arab TV stations like Al Jazeera.

Its one hell of a statement to start the video with a note that says that "only" 10 - 15% of the muslim population are Radical Islamic Extremists.

You are obliged to kiss my ass if you think you can tell me I am obliged to watch an hour of any propagandist crap you might come up with.

The film, from the synopsis, seems to make the direct comparison between nazi germany and radical muslims.

This, of course, may be a valid comparison on some grounds, but it is a practically useless comparison to us.
It is quite valid when you consider the Palestinian cause was tied to Nazism during its infancy. Especially when the Grand Mufit (leader of the Palestinians from 1920 until the 60s), Haj Amin al-Husseini, was very close to Adolf Hitler. He allied himself with him and was indicted as a Nazi War Criminal (never able to be brought to trial though).

I watched it. Great movie. They do point out that the radicals are only a segment of the Islamic population. This movie is quite credible. They mainly use interviews with those formerly involved in terrorist organizations and taped speeches from Arab TV stations like Al Jazeera.
Thank you. I was beginning to lose hope that anyone would watch it.

You are obliged to kiss my ass if you think you can tell me I am obliged to watch an hour of any propagandist crap you might come up with.
You could watch the movie, or you could pretend to be all high and mighty. It's your choice, really. If you posted a link to one of your movies, I would watch it out of respect, at least. Besided, I like to have my beliefs and opinions challenged, not reaffirmed. What about you?

It is quite valid when you consider the Palestinian cause was tied to Nazism during its infancy. Especially when the Grand Mufit (leader of the Palestinians from 1920 until the 60s), Haj Amin al-Husseini, was very close to Adolf Hitler. He allied himself with him and was indicted as a Nazi War Criminal (never able to be brought to trial though).

Great there are anti-semetic ties between Nazi Germany and radical militant muslims. There is a shocker.

Now where is there any other similarity? Can we draw similarities in military, economic, political, or demographic make up? Or are we just meant to have our cage rattled?

Actually I think a good part of why we have terrorists has to do with this (http://www.anchorflagandflagpole.com/USA.jpg)
Come on man, America-hating is SO cliched. Think of something new, we've all heard the same old tired America bashing arguments.

And it's not just America that's having problems with terrorism.

Besided, I like to have my beliefs and opinions challenged, not reaffirmed.

The fact that no one who would disagree with you actually feels that this could be a worthwhile investment of time makes it rather easy to claim to be so openminded.

And it's not just America that's having problems with terrorism.
Get out. :eek:

Great there are anti-semetic ties between Nazi Germany and radical militant muslims. There is a shocker.

Now where is there any other similarity? Can we draw similarities in military, economic, political, or demographic make up? Or are we just meant to have our cage rattled?
We could definetely draw cultural similarities. And maybe a little cage-rattling can be good as far as preventing millions of innocent deaths?

Come on man, America-hating is SO cliched. Think of something new, we've all heard the same old tired America bashing arguments.

And it's not just America that's having problems with terrorism.

Sure, Soviet imperialism supported plenty of ruthless dictatorships, too. Of course, they have been paying the piper for longer than us.

The fact that no one who would disagree with you actually feels that this could be a worthwhile investment of time makes it rather easy to claim to be so openminded.
Or are you just afraid to be exposed to new ideas? If you've got enough time to fuck around on NSG, I'm sure you could devote one hour of your precious time to the movie.

We could definetely draw cultural similarities. And maybe a little cage-rattling can be good as far as preventing millions of innocent deaths?

What cultural similarities that aren't common throughout the world?

And millions of innocent deaths, is that what they are predicting?

Thank you. I was beginning to lose hope that anyone would watch it.
Well I had been looking forward to this movie for a while. I was wondering when it would be released.

What cultural similarities that aren't common throughout the world?

And millions of innocent deaths, is that what they are predicting?
Oh, I don't know...indoctrinating children to hate Jews. Does your school teach you to hate infidels, too?

Remind me again how many people died in the Holocaust.

You are obliged to kiss my ass if you think you can tell me I am obliged to watch an hour of any propagandist crap you might come up with.
It's not propoganda when half of the movie is made up of taped speeches from Nasrallah and other terror leaders.

Well I had been looking forward to this movie for a while. I was wondering when it would be released.
The answer is never. It's not politically correct enough, they don't want you to see it.

It's not propoganda when half of the movie is made up of taped speeches from Nasrallah and other terror leaders.
Those people don't represent the majority of muslims, just like the BNP don't represent the majority of British voters.

Come on man, America-hating is SO cliched. Think of something new, we've all heard the same old tired America bashing arguments.

And it's not just America that's having problems with terrorism.


Which country helped fund a young man named Osama Bin laden in the late 70s? USa
Who more or less helped the current Iranian govt get in power? The usa(they placed the unpopular shah into power, and inturn he was over thrown by the current theocractic gov't)

Lets not forget helping Iraq get WMDs in the 80s. Im sure the list can go on. Lets not fogets that the almighty american dollar helps to fund the Saudi gov't, the breeding ground of Islamic terror...geez

Or are you just afraid to be exposed to new ideas?

What new ideas?

That the people from poor, violent, oppressed countries are turning to authoritarians who oppose those who are percieved as the oppressors?

That is shocking.

I mean I can't imagine a people that witnesses acts of violence from outsiders and then succumbs to authoritarian leaders who promise to deliver them to safety by spreading their particular brand of morality around the world.

Fuck that video. Watched 5 minutes. Almost died.

Good soundtrack, though.

I mean I can't imagine a people that witnesses acts of violence from outsiders and then succumbs to authoritarian leaders who promise to deliver them to safety by spreading their particular brand of morality around the world.
Describes both Germany (treaty of versailles and Hitler) and America (you know, 11/9)

Liasia']Those people don't represent the majority of muslims, just like the BNP don't represent the majority of British voters.
The movie states that saying it is around 10-15% of Muslims.

It's not propoganda when half of the movie is made up of taped speeches from Nasrallah and other terror leaders.

It becomes propaganda when Im "obliged" to watch it.

If you got anything out of the first five minutes, I can see what your mindset is. It is nothing but intense music and scenes from terrorist attacks.

If you got anything out of the first five minutes, I can see what your mindset is. It is nothing but intense music and scenes from terrorist attacks.


See? I liked the first minutes.Terrible as a movie, and in its ideas, but the soundtrack is mad awesome.

But the terrorist attack scenes were not graphic enough.

Liasia']Describes both Germany (treaty of versailles and Hitler) and America (you know, 11/9)

It has happened in nearly every war in history, which shows just how worthless the similarities being drawn are.

The movie states that saying it is around 10-15% of Muslims.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/majority so that would make it a minority, even if the claim is reliable. Which i highly doubt.

It has happened in nearly every war in history, which shows just how worthless the similarities being drawn are.
Fair point. Alhough i can think of a few where this isnt the case- American civil war, english civil war, napoleonic wars, errr quite a few others.

Liasia']http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/majority so that would make it a minority, even if the claim is reliable. Which i highly doubt.
Who here is saying it's a majority? Something tells me you need to learn how to read.

Who here is saying it's a majority? Something tells me you need to learn how to read.
Nobody. i was just responding to your 10-15% thing.

Basically shows why we have terrorists. If you watch the first five minutes, you won't be able to stop watching the rest, so go ahead and make me proud.
Um, because a small percentage of any population is fanatical enough that if they turn to violent ends they will persue any means to their 'goal'?

Which country helped fund a young man named Osama Bin laden in the late 70s? USa
Who more or less helped the current Iranian govt get in power? The usa(they placed the unpopular shah into power, and inturn he was over thrown by the current theocractic gov't)

Lets not forget helping Iraq get WMDs in the 80s. Im sure the list can go on. Lets not fogets that the almighty american dollar helps to fund the Saudi gov't, the breeding ground of Islamic terror...geez
Which country singlehandedly ended the scourge of communism? The shah, bin laden, they were against the commies, and as far as I'm concerned, the USSR was a greater evil because it was more powerful than the islamists.

Iraq doesn't have WMDs, and if I recall correctly it was the french that sold saddam weapons during the UN "sanctions." Our economy is dependent on oil. Just like yours is, so get off your soapbox, you're not high and mighty.

In the last 60 years, America has done more good things for the world than all the empires, and all the powers put together.

I gave up at the 17:10 mark when the guy goes "Yes, Jihad does mean 'self-struggle', 'struggle within', but so does "mein kempf".

They take scenes where some individuals say that children should be educated in Jihad and "fight for Allah" when those could easily be taken out of context and implied to mean violent struggle rather than the traditional meaning.

For a countering view, imagine if we showed a sunday school class singing "Onward Christian Soldiers," to a group of Iraqis.

Then it tries to tie violence into this original meaning of Jihad by showing others calling for muslims to raise arms against Western Imperialism.

They are attempting to sell this idea that children are raised to support a Jihad against the west. When they are actually raised to fight to protect one's own religion. Western interference into their countries simply makes the west what could be considered a valid target for Jihad. You cannot say that we aren't trying to usurp their culture.

In the last 60 years, America has done more good things for the world than all the empires, and all the powers put together.

The fact that you are immersed in American culture surely has nothing to do with your assessment.

I mean, all of these militaristic, sometimes secular (mainly when it serves our purpose), capitalistic governments modeled after the US have really worked out well for the Middle East. The only thing that could really improve it is a little Western Democracy. Right?

I agree with the thesis of the video, but most on here do not have the vision to understand the nature of this ideology.

My own response:

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=98380 :D

The fact that you are immersed in American culture surely has nothing to do with your assessment.

I mean, all of these militaristic, sometimes secular (mainly when it serves our purpose), capitalistic governments modeled after the US have really worked out well for the Middle East. The only thing that could really improve it is a little Western Democracy. Right?
I think it would be a noticeable improvement to make a fucking parking lot out of it. :D

I agree with the thesis of the video, but most on here do not have the vision to understand the nature of this ideology.

My ideology doesnt allow me to be told what I am and am not obliged to watch.

My own response:

http://shock.military.com/Shock/videos.do?displayContent=98380 :D

Give us your login and password so we can enter and see your response

I agree with the thesis of the video, but most on here do not have the vision to understand the nature of this ideology.

After 29000 posts you have turned non-trolling insults into an artform.

I think it would be a noticeable improvement to make a fucking parking lot out of it. :D

The American government probably thinks the same thing of your house.

Which country singlehandedly ended the scourge of communism? The shah, bin laden, they were against the commies, and as far as I'm concerned, the USSR was a greater evil because it was more powerful than the islamists.

Iraq doesn't have WMDs, and if I recall correctly it was the french that sold saddam weapons during the UN "sanctions." Our economy is dependent on oil. Just like yours is, so get off your soapbox, you're not high and mighty.

In the last 60 years, America has done more good things for the world than all the empires, and all the powers put together.


Right I am sure that my American govt is just so saintly..Bullshit. Tell that to those countries in latin america that had to see their citizens murdered by anti-communist, pro american military dictatorships..I can go on and on, but unfortunatly I would be wasting time, as i can tell, you are like so many others on here, oblivious to the fact that America is an evil empire, which needs to be stopped, one way or another.

My ideology doesnt allow me to be told what I am and am not obliged to watch.

Give us your login and password so we can enter and see your response
Then don't watch jack shit for all I care! :D

No. The site is free so make your own damned login and password, you twit! :p

The American government probably thinks the same thing of your house.
Nope. As a matter of fact, the American government bought me my house! :D

After 29000 posts you have turned non-trolling insults into an artform.
LMAO! Eat your heart out! :p

I watched it. Great movie. They do point out that the radicals are only a segment of the Islamic population. This movie is quite credible. They mainly use interviews with those formerly involved in terrorist organizations and taped speeches from Arab TV stations like Al Jazeera.

i think the point is you would enjoy it. its what the arabs refer to as 'zionist propaganda' :p