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This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

Racist Arabs?! NO WAI!!!

maybe the cartoon is pointing out the fact that like a monkey America is untrustworthy and just out to cause mischief

Either way it shows the Arabs are pissed at someone

Either way it shows the Arabs are pissed at someone

Pissed off Arabs?! NO WAI!!!

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.

I think the monkey is a reference not to standard Western racial epithets, but rather to the symbolism of GW Bush who does, in fact, resemble a monkey.

Oh, no. Arabs cant be racist, theyre a minority!
Wait...
*re-reads first post*
Oh dear, Eut, you may throw some people into fits here.

Racist Arabs?! NO WAI!!!
Wait.. so youre calling an entire ethnic group racist- isn't that in itself a bit questionable?

Can we please have some source for this? :rolleyes:

You guys don't take (admittedly bad) satire well do ya?

NOW who's being "racist?"


Alright, this is the carte blanche you've been seeking...go ahead and hate all those dirty Arab/Muslim/Islamofascists with a clear conscience now.

There...that what you want?

I thought the point was NOT to LOWER the bar...but maybe I'm wrong.

Liasia']Wait.. so youre calling an entire ethnic group racist- isn't that in itself a bit questionable?

Where did I say "entire"? There are 10s of millions of Arab people. You're bound to get some racists thrown into the mix.

The human condition is the human condition no matter how "liberal" a person professes to be.

Liasia']Wait.. so youre calling an entire ethnic group racist- isn't that in itself a bit questionable?
Arent you putting words in his mouth?
Or do you deny that there are racist Arabs?

Arent you putting words in his mouth?
Or do you deny that there are racist Arabs?
I don't think so. By sarcastically expressing surprise that there are racist arabs, he's suggesting thats the norm....
Of course I don't, that'd be silly.

Where did I say "entire"? There are 10s of millions of Arab people. You're bound to get some racists thrown into the mix.

The human condition is the human condition no matter how "liberal" a person professes to be.
*shrugs* The way you said it, I got the impression you thought racist Arabs were the norm. Which they might be for all i know.

And that, my friend, is a shitty excuse.

So Rice is Bush's mommy?

Can we please have some source for this? :rolleyes:
http://www.pmw.org.il/LatestBulletins.htm

So Rice is Bush's mommy?

While I highly doubt that, I'm not sure what relevance that has to a satire depicting her being pregnant with a monkey.

Yeah...because that's not meant to be Bush...

Yeah...because that's not meant to be Bush...

The monkey sure doesn't look like Bush. So yeah I'd agree.

While I highly doubt that, I'm not sure what relevance that has to a satire depicting her being pregnant with a monkey.
Then you don't understand satire.

Then you don't understand satire.

The monkey just doesn't look like Bush. I'm really sorry.

It just looks like a monkey with some soldier equipment.

The monkey just doesn't look like Bush. I'm really sorry.

It just looks like a monkey with some soldier equipment.
How is that not bush?

The monkey just doesn't look like Bush.


Yes it does!

Yes it does!

I've seen Bush satire before, but that is the worst drawing of him supposed to be looking like a monkey ever.

I honestly thought the monkey was supposed to represent something else if that is supposed to be Bush.

I've seen Bush satire before, but that is the worst drawing of him supposed to be looking like a monkey ever.

I honestly thought the monkey was supposed to represent something else if that is supposed to be Bush.
The arabs have a much-publicised aversion to cartoons, therefore crap drawings can be expected.

I may have to draw Allah in a monkey's womb now.

http://www.pmw.org.il/LatestBulletins.htm
Thank you.

I find that website to be utter bullshit. Scrolling down, it takes any radical critique of her to be 'RACIST'. "Drinking the blood of babies?" MUST BE RACIST!

"Murdering Rice go to hell? Umm, err, RACIST!"

As for the image, it could have several meanings:
She is going to give birth to a new Middle East represented by the monkey. Obviously a human cannot give birth to an animal, it would be a monster.

Oh, wait. Maybe they're saying the 'new Middle East' she is 'giving birth' to would 'monstrous' or a big ol' fuckin' nightmare.

The monkey symbolizes world peace and Condi is trying to give birth to it. It's beautiful, really.

Alright, this is the carte blanche you've been seeking...go ahead and hate all those dirty Arab/Muslim/Islamofascists with a clear conscience now.

There...that what you want?

I thought the point was NOT to LOWER the bar...but maybe I'm wrong.

Actually, I think its a "Sure we may be racist, but look, so are they!" post.

If you discuss issues with racist apologists, you will find how often they bring up the "But blacks separate themselves!" argument. Its the same logical fallacy used over and over.

Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman,"


With all the focus on the cartoon, I think it isn't really getting enough attention.

What would the reaction be if the New York Times called the ambassador of Saudi Arabia "that Arab liar guy," or the Japanese Finance Minister "that Asian money man"?

While it isn't anything to get worked up over, it is indicitive of some rather immature Arabic attitudes.

I don't know what an armed monkey is supposed to represent, but it does not come as a surprise that Palestinians would hate one of Isreals most visible and ardent supporters.

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.
I'm gonna say something right now that no straight man in the world is willing to admit, and I'm gonna say it nice and loud for everyone to hear.

CONDOLEEZA RICE IS THE HOTTEST SECRETARY OF STATE IN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! SHE IS SO FRIGGIN HOT (for a 40 year old something woman) THAT SHE SHOULD BE ON THE COVER OF MAGAZINES AND IN MOVIES!!! MAN, WOULD I LIKE JUST 5 MINUTES WITH THAT BABE.

Ok, I'm done. Let the denial begin!!!

Actually, I think its a "Sure we may be racist, but look, so are they!" post.
Considering the fact that they print stuff like this to incite the Americans, but riot when someone depicts their Prophet, I think it's more to point out the do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do attitude of the Muslim governments and media.

With all the focus on the cartoon, I think it isn't really getting enough attention.

What would the reaction be if the New York Times called the ambassador of Saudi Arabia "that Arab liar guy," or the Japanese Finance Minister "that Asian money man"?
Pffft. You should check out some of the British tabloids.

I don't know what an armed monkey is supposed to represent
A fucked up region where everyone has guns?

[QUOTE=RockTheCasba]*snip* \[QUOTE]
About as hot as anne coulter, i.e OH GOD NO

Considering the fact that they print stuff like this to incite the Americans, but riot when someone depicts their Prophet, I think it's more to point out the do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do attitude of the Muslim governments and media.

Different strokes for different folks.

Reading from the sacred scrolls of the apes:

Beware the beast man, for he is the Devil's pawn. Alone among God's primates, he kills for sport or lust or greed. Yea, he will murder his brother to possess his brother's land. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his home and yours. Shun him; drive him back into his jungle lair, for he is the harbinger of death.

Liasia'][QUOTE=RockTheCasba]*snip* \[QUOTE]
About as hot as anne coulter, i.e OH GOD NO

Ann Coulter is just a loudmouthed stupid, hateful bitch, thus rendering her unfuckable. Condy, on the other hand, is an extremely beautiful, intelligent, hardworking woman, qualities that I find VERY attractive.

[QUOTE='[NS]Liasia'][QUOTE=RockTheCasba]*snip* \

Ann Coulter is just a loudmouthed stupid, hateful bitch, thus rendering her unfuckable. Condy, on the other hand, is an extremely beautiful, intelligent, hardworking woman, qualities that I find VERY attractive.
I didn't know george Bush frequented NS general. Nice to meet you sir *doffs cap*

Liasia']
I didn't know george Bush frequented NS general. Nice to meet you sir *doffs cap*
Ouch, that's harsh. I think you drew blood on that one.

Ouch, that's harsh. I think you drew blood on that one.
Twas but a joke...

Liasia']Twas but a joke...
:) I know, but thems still fightin' words.

:) I know, but thems still fightin' words.
Good thing I didn't say it to you then eh;)

Pffft. You should check out some of the British tabloids.


Why, do British tabloids actually do that?

I'm not trying to prove a point, I'm actually curious. I've never read a British tabloid, being from Canada and whatnot - I've heard about them though, and they do sound quite racy. Do they actually describe international diplomats as [race][insult][gender] though?

CONDOLEEZA RICE IS THE HOTTEST SECRETARY OF STATE IN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! SHE IS SO FRIGGIN HOT THAT SHE SHOULD BE ON THE COVER OF MAGAZINES AND IN MOVIES!!! MAN, WOULD I LIKE JUST 5 MINUTES WITH THAT BABE.Apparently the (old and not-so-sexy) President of Lebanons would accept to see her.. will not touch her with a 5-feet-pole .. not for 5 minutes.. not even for 5 seconds..

I may have to draw Allah in a monkey's womb now.
You do NOT want to be doing that.


Arabs lack the humor gene....its has been replaced long ago with the uber-violent one.

I may have to draw Allah in a monkey's womb now.


lol....but then you may offend the sensitive and tolerant ones..oh..wait...they riot over cartoons and behead innocent people to show their displeasure.

and when i say "they"
i do not impugn the whole of islam..but i certainly impugn the hordes dancing in the street after 911,and the ones that burned embassies over fricken cartoons.

i wonder if a bunch of white or black hicks went and started burning and rioting all things islam over these cartoons..would the apologists for the radical muslims be so kind to extend the same understanding towards the offended white and black americans?

doubt it...

nothing like a double standard...lol...and notghing as feeble as being an apologist for any radical group that kills over satire.

hate to sound whiney,but this everything white euro or american(i dont specify white..because america is very diverse)is automatically bad and wrong..is bullshit..then that bleeds over into justifying the most ridiculous behaviour by the so called oppressed....nothing justifies rioting and killing over cartoons or religion or damn near anything....

i would love to see how the america haters would react if we..as the muslims did..went apeshit and started burning down arab owned biz's and embassies...doubt we would hear much..support..but if it is islam burning mcdonalds(which i think deserves to be..lol)everyone scrambles to make excuses..oh it's their culture..etc.

well if cartoons turn you homicidal and such..then your bringing up the back side of civilazation....and making excuses for that behaviour does not help ,only encourages the wrong pov they have.

to be taken seriously..one must be serious.

Actually, I think its a "Sure we may be racist, but look, so are they!" post.

If you discuss issues with racist apologists, you will find how often they bring up the "But blacks separate themselves!" argument. Its the same logical fallacy used over and over.
How is it a fallacy? Surely you can't expect one part of society to start campaigning against discrimination when the people who they would be campaigning for would do exactly the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot?

I may have to draw Allah in a monkey's womb now.
Do you really want to start another jihad?

You do NOT want to be doing that.


Really? Goddamn it (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/24bed1b6.png).

Umm... oops?

Really? Goddamn it (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/24bed1b6.png).

Umm... oops?

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*laughter fades into the distance, but never stops* :D

*snip*
does that count as a seizure?

Liasia']does that count as a seizure?

Yes, my seizure from radiation poisoning from the nuke that Israel used....:rolleyes: :p

A stupid cut-paste likely to get me shot one day

Obviously, no disrespect meant towards the Islamic faith.

Disrespect is meant towards the type of people who would storm an embassy and light it on fire because of a cartoon, but no offense to the general faith of Islam is intended.

The Atlantian Islands, I'm glad I got atleast one other person to laugh today. :)

Obviously, no disrespect meant to the Islamic faith.

Disrespect is meant towards the type of people who would storm an embassy and light it on fire because of a cartoon, but no offense to the general faith of Islam is intended.

The Atlantian Islands, I'm glad I got atleast one other person to laugh today. :)

Laugh, pffft...I urinated on my dog, the furniture, and R Kelly I was laughing so hard. :D

How is it a fallacy? Surely you can't expect one part of society to start campaigning against discrimination when the people who they would be campaigning for would do exactly the same thing if the shoe was on the other foot?

You know what, you are right. It would be well for us all to fall to the lowest common denominator.

It is a fallacy because it redirects a judgement away from the thing that is to be judged. Even if it weren't a fallacy, it would be an untrue argument because its central assumption is wrong.

Yes, my seizure from radiation poisoning from the nuke that Israel used....:rolleyes: :p
Your'e taking that far too personally. Can't you at least admit it may have happened and you might not know about it?

I'm gonna say something right now that no straight man in the world is willing to admit, and I'm gonna say it nice and loud for everyone to hear.

CONDOLEEZA RICE IS THE HOTTEST SECRETARY OF STATE IN ANY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!! SHE IS SO FRIGGIN HOT (for a 40 year old something woman) THAT SHE SHOULD BE ON THE COVER OF MAGAZINES AND IN MOVIES!!! MAN, WOULD I LIKE JUST 5 MINUTES WITH THAT BABE.

Ok, I'm done. Let the denial begin!!!
I would like to direct you to the Canadian Governor General, Michaëlle Jean.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micha%C3%ABlle_Jean

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7f/Michaelle_Jean_Oct_2005.jpg

Holy fetal-rice-monkies! She is hot!

Racist middle easterners? who would have thought. Hell, look at the israelis.

At any rate, condoleeza rice is a foul human being and should count herself extremely fortunate if the worst that comes to her is mockery.

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.
Oddly enough, "But Tommy's doin' it..." never worked with my mom as a kid. I can't imagine why it would have any value amongst nations.

So-do we compare ourselves to other nations or don't we? This is interesting, because conservatives beat thier chests and threw dirt in the air at the merest suggestion that we look at things that work in other nations as a model "We're not taking our cues from Europe, we don't surrender to France!" But when another nation does something shitty, it totally excuses any shitty thing we do? That's pretty fucked up. You guys do know that it was Galant's example you where supposed to follow, not Goofus', right? What the fuck?

Liasia']Your'e taking that far too personally. Can't you at least admit it may have happened and you might not know about it?
No..its not on Wiki, you lied.

It never happend.

Racist middle easterners? who would have thought. Hell, look at the israelis.

At any rate, condoleeza rice is a foul human being and should count herself extremely fortunate if the worst that comes to her is mockery.


ummmm..ok..so i gather you know her personally.

if not..then your full of shit,just like every other know it all cyber genius.

stalin was an asshole..can we agree...hitler also..and i knew neither...but there track record kinda proves them..condi on the other hand..could well be a lackey or a twit...but seeing as she has no real track record...nor has she done nothing to lead me to believe she is meglamaniac..then you my friend our just as bad as the people you so glibly paste as bad...so unless you grew up with her,and watched her torture animals..you really have no right to state she is horrible..i will stae that by you being so fucking biased...you insult a women you never met to make some pathetic political point...your worse then what you claim to denounce...fool.

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.

That's so dumb!

Everyone knows that androids don't have wombs. :p

With all the focus on the cartoon, I think it isn't really getting enough attention.

What would the reaction be if the New York Times called the ambassador of Saudi Arabia "that Arab liar guy," or the Japanese Finance Minister "that Asian money man"?

While it isn't anything to get worked up over, it is indicitive of some rather immature Arabic attitudes.
Yes, thank you!

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These are vastly different from the liberal political theories espoused by the black minister Jesse Jackson, who is considered a “friend of the Palestinians” and a supporter of the downtrodden Third World nations. He was also the first black candidate for the American presidency.”
[Al Ayyam June 22, 2003]
roflmao! :rolleyes:

Racist Arabs?! NO WAI!!!
nth-ed

Liasia']The arabs have a much-publicised aversion to cartoons, therefore crap drawings can be expected.

Rubbish. There was an article this week showing that there is the arabic version of DC comics, with Arabic based superheroes that was fairly popular in Egypt and other countries in the area. And unlike the usual stereotypes, it actually had a power parity between male and female superheroes.

lol....but then you may offend the sensitive and tolerant ones..oh..wait...they riot over cartoons and behead innocent people to show their displeasure.

and when i say "they"
i do not impugn the whole of islam..but i certainly impugn the hordes dancing in the street after 911,and the ones that burned embassies over fricken cartoons.

i wonder if a bunch of white or black hicks went and started burning and rioting all things islam over these cartoons..would the apologists for the radical muslims be so kind to extend the same understanding towards the offended white and black americans?

doubt it...

nothing like a double standard...lol...and notghing as feeble as being an apologist for any radical group that kills over satire.

hate to sound whiney,but this everything white euro or american(i dont specify white..because america is very diverse)is automatically bad and wrong..is bullshit..then that bleeds over into justifying the most ridiculous behaviour by the so called oppressed....nothing justifies rioting and killing over cartoons or religion or damn near anything....

i would love to see how the america haters would react if we..as the muslims did..went apeshit and started burning down arab owned biz's and embassies...doubt we would hear much..support..but if it is islam burning mcdonalds(which i think deserves to be..lol)everyone scrambles to make excuses..oh it's their culture..etc.

well if cartoons turn you homicidal and such..then your bringing up the back side of civilazation....and making excuses for that behaviour does not help ,only encourages the wrong pov they have.

to be taken seriously..one must be serious.
That's what's known as Islamophilia.

I agree 100% with the rest as well.

Oddly enough, "But Tommy's doin' it..." never worked with my mom as a kid. I can't imagine why it would have any value amongst nations.

So-do we compare ourselves to other nations or don't we? This is interesting, because conservatives beat thier chests and threw dirt in the air at the merest suggestion that we look at things that work in other nations as a model "We're not taking our cues from Europe, we don't surrender to France!" But when another nation does something shitty, it totally excuses any shitty thing we do? That's pretty fucked up. You guys do know that it was Galant's example you where supposed to follow, not Goofus', right? What the fuck?

The Republican Party sold whatever sliver left of the soul to the Goofuses of the nation (most of whom are the Religious Right) and thus we have Iraqnam and soon Lebanam.

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.
What I want to know is whether the baby chimp looks like George?

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/02/20/bush.jpg

What I want to know is whether the baby chimp looks like George?

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2002/02/20/bush.jpg

Apparently, this (http://www.pmw.org.il/LatestBulletins.htm) is it.

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.

Yes, insulting monkeys by bringing one into connection with Condolenca Rottweiler Rice is inacceptable.


http://www.pmw.org.il/images/090205A%20rice-as-bomb.jpg

Remember. When it's aimed at Muslims, it's freedom of speech. When it's done by Muslims, it's intolerance and bigotry.

Racist middle easterners? who would have thought. Hell, look at the israelis.

At any rate, condoleeza rice is a foul human being and should count herself extremely fortunate if the worst that comes to her is mockery.

Rice was sent there as the US Secretary of State. Hating her makes as much sense as hating the colour red because you can't stand Communism. Mockery, including racist and personal mockery, is part of the job, but should be disdained by anyone of sense.

It could have been Blair. In that evesdropping video at the G8, he suggested this twice to GWB, who said essentially 'no, we're sending Condy.'
Blair would have had more effect. Not because he's British, but because he's a head of state, rather than a spokeperson. Bush didn't want that, and the charitable reason (which I believed when I heard Condy was going) was that a ceasefire would ensue, and the US wanted credit for it.

Now, it looks worse than that. Rice was sent without Bush's firm proxy for a ceasefire. Consequently, Israel largely ignored her, diminishing her authority in the future. Bush didn't want Blair going, because a ceasefire might have ensued.

Sending Rice to negotiate, without a public call by the US Administration for a ceasefire, only makes her look like a lightweight. Bush, yesterday: "We are supporting democracies in the Middle East." But not by calling for a ceasefire in a vile war between two of them.

The cartoon fifth on the cited page is about right. Condaleeza Rice has been tossed out of a plane with a load of bombs.

(Oh, and to the OP: it's racist. "Blacks are like monkeys" is the first idea which springs to mind. It's a cartoon, sheesh.)

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.


LOL! I think they were refering to the fact that Bush resembles a monkey and well she did almost refer to him as 'my hus,,,the president' so mayb they just are acknowledging it.

Also if she is a black spinster woman how is she pregnant with a monkey?

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.


of course not.

Arabs are lovely people...

of course not.

Arabs are lovely people...


As are monkeys!

As are monkeys!

And both are teki( japanese word;) ), of course.

Well. Maybe not the monkies.

And both are teki( japanese word;) ), of course.

Well. Maybe not the monkies.


Translate please I googled and it came up in Japanese and as much as I watch Battle Royale I still dont understand the language!

Translate please I googled and it came up in Japanese and as much as I watch Battle Royale I still dont understand the language!

Enemy.

Traditionally used to describe an enemy with whom reconciliation may not even be ordered by one's liege lord.

Enemy.

Traditionally used to describe an enemy with whom reconciliation may not even be ordered by one's liege lord.


Thanks! I have added it to my vocab!

Enemy.

Traditionally used to describe an enemy with whom reconciliation may not even be ordered by one's liege lord.

I can't help thinking that Condoleeza Rice too would be 'teki.'
She's female and wears pants, she's black, and she represents the US president.
Which from a feudal Japanese point of view would make her 'teki' or worse.

I can't help thinking that Condoleeza Rice too would be 'teki.'
She's female and wears pants, she's black, and she represents the US president.
Which from a feudal Japanese point of view would make her 'teki' or worse.


It would make her a teki with a monkey inside of her!

I can't help thinking that Condoleeza Rice too would be 'teki.'
She's female and wears pants, she's black, and she represents the US president.
Which from a feudal Japanese point of view would make her 'teki' or worse.

Oh, quite so.
I recall reading a short book ( almost a pamphlet ) by a radical morrocan feminist, around 1992, commenting inter alia on the Gulf War.

She pointed out that the very fact that *shudder* women *gasp* had entered the Kingdom of Sa'ud in any other capacity than as playthings to be used for the delight of Arab masters ( sorry, farmers who merely plow the fields as Allah orders it, in the Koran ) - was quite sufficient to ensure eternal hatred towards the West.

Dialogue is impossible. ( Nothing new. )

Thanks! I have added it to my vocab!

You're welcome, Isiseye-san.

*bows*

Racist Arabs?! NO WAI!!!

Way!

Dialogue is impossible. ( Nothing new. )

Truer words have never been spoken -- or, uh...posted.

Well, where are the news videos of millions of irate Americans burning down buildings and rioting in the streets and killing people because they're angry over a cartoon?

Eh?

Well, where are the news videos of millions of irate Americans burning down buildings and rioting in the streets and killing people because they're angry over a cartoon?

Eh?

Because for one, the ones who might have done stuff like that were already demanding that much of the Middle East be flattened and the people exterminated/enslaved in the first place.

And then we have prize winners like you who want a Muslim only plague.

Pissed off Arabs?! NO WAI!!!

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n180/ORLYNOWAI/NOWAI.jpg

Who cares what Arabs draw? It's not like their opinion matters anyway.

Because for one, the ones who might have done stuff like that were already demanding that much of the Middle East be flattened and the people exterminated/enslaved in the first place.

And then we have prize winners like you who want a Muslim only plague.

I'm sure theres a "Muslim," gene we can isolate to help control the Arabic population :rolleyes:

Who cares what Arabs draw? It's not like their opinion matters anyway.

That made me chuckle right there.

Zomg Race Targeted Virus Tinfoilhat

Zomg Race Targeted Virus Tinfoilhat

Tell me that wouldn't kick ass.

Better yet, make 'em Zombies at the same time. But thats a different thread.

Who cares what Arabs draw? It's not like their opinion matters anyway.


They cared about Cartoons draw about Mohammad...I suggest all Americans riot!!!!

Tell me that wouldn't kick ass.

Better yet, make 'em Zombies at the same time. But thats a different thread.

The race targeted zombie virus would simply serve to radicalise existing zombies, jackass!

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.

please include links to your words, because i live in the Arab world, read the arab newpapers and have NEVER saw or heard such things..

so instead of just giving bullsh*t Lies, give us some links to your so called news!!

please include links to your words, because i live in the Arab world, read the arab newpapers and have NEVER saw or heard such things..

so instead of just giving bullsh*t Lies, give us some links to your so called news!!


Right after you provide us with some links to those danish cartoons...

Right after you provide us with some links to those danish cartoons...

your response is worthless...

it makes no sense, whats your point... that the Cartoons on the prophet is fake?? after everyone on the globe had seen them??

while only the Thread starter heard about this rice thing??

your response is worthless...

it makes no sense, whats your point... that the Cartoons on the prophet is fake?? after everyone on the globe had seen them??

while only the Thread starter heard about this rice thing??


Go back to the beginnig of the thread and you'll find them. I think his response wasn't entirely worthless yes it was a tit for tat but I think he was just indicating that not everyone has a link to hand on such matters.

Go back to the beginnig of the thread and you'll find them. I think his response wasn't entirely worthless yes it was a tit for tat but I think he was just indicating that not everyone has a link to hand on such matters.

ok, i have seen the link, finally

actually i find them not racist at all...

its simpler than you see it, Dr Rice has said before that lebanon is in a labour situation, where all the pain is now to get a beautifull future... or so she says...

so they represendted Rice with Bush as her baby, and since almost ALL media around the world has agreed that Bush does look like a chimp, they simply included him as a chimp child, and it meant nothing to black people... Arabs include black too, so i doubt that they would make racist comments, its not acceptable in the Arab world...

plus, we cant compare such cartoons with the Prophets ones, first because he is a Holy figure while rice is just a foreign minister...

second the cartoons of the Prophet were made to irritate Muslims, while these cartoons are made by arabs for arabs and not for americans...


i rest my case

second the cartoons of the Prophet were made to irritate Muslims, while these cartoons are made by arabs for arabs and not for americans...

The cartoons of Muhammad were not intended for distribution to the Middle East. They were intended for Danish audiences - it was Muslim clerics living in Denmark who saw the cartoons some months after they were originally published, and sent them to thier colleagues in the Middle East.

Do unto others...

Do unto others...

In Arab states, people stormed embassies, lit fires and attacked journalists when they saw cartoons that were offensive to them.

I hardly think that that's what they want "done unto them" now that the situation has gained the potential to turn around.

Rumsfield needs his own TV show.

Rumsfield needs his own TV show.

Why?

I think that "black people are chimps" is an American racist opinion.
Bush put on his military clothes and is hiding in Rice's stomach in order to pop out and surprise Rambo-attack the Middle East.

I think that "black people are chimps" is an American racist opinion.
Bush put on his military clothes and is hiding in Rice's stomach in order to pop out and surprise Rambo-attack the Middle East.
Maybe you missed the part where Muslims believe that Jews are descended from apes and pigs...

Why?

I don't know. He just does. It could just be that shot of him and Hussein, and it could be called "That Shot of Rumsfield with Hussien." Well, they could make it an hour and a half long with various metal and rock music. It would be the same every time, and I geuss I meant he needed a Made For TV Movie.

Maybe you missed the part where Muslims believe that Jews are descended from apes and pigs...
This has what to do with black people?

This has what to do with black people?
This has everything to do with monkeys in their cartoons.

I guess we'll also overlook the merchants who ran the slave trade, and captured and sold most of the Africans who ended up as slaves in the US - Arab merchants.

Yes, great history of benevolence towards black people there...

This has everything to do with monkeys in their cartoons.
Just because an apple is a fruit and an orange is a fruit does not make an apple an orange.

Just because an apple is a fruit and an orange is a fruit does not make an apple an orange.

Ah, so just because some Democrats describe Bush as "a chimp" I shouldn't think they mean anything insulting by that....

Or just because some Arab draws a picture of Rice with a chimp in her, I shouldn't assume that he means anything negative about it at all...

:rolleyes:

Ah, so just because some Democrats describe Bush as "a chimp" I shouldn't think they mean anything insulting by that....

Or just because some Arab draws a picture of Rice with a chimp in her, I shouldn't assume that he means anything negative about it at all...

:rolleyes:
Wow, you just said an apple is an orange again but with a difference set of comparisons, good job.

Wow, you just said an apple is an orange again but with a difference set of comparisons, good job.

Technically then, if I describe Kerry as a mentally moribund asswipe, I don't really mean anything untowards by it...

Maybe you missed the part where Muslims believe that Jews are descended from apes and pigs...
Minus the pigs part.... they're right.

Technically then, if I describe Kerry as a mentally moribund asswipe, I don't really mean anything untowards by it...
You must've missed basic logic 101 in college, unless you think all Jews are black and all blacks are Jews.

Minus the pigs part.... they're right.
Ah, but the pigs are the important part...

Ah, but the pigs are the important part...
Well, if you go back far enough...the pigs and monkeys are descended from the same thing too. :D

They're correct, but for the wrong reasons :D

We better start going crazy, rioting, and then demand an apology.

We better start going crazy, rioting, and then demand an apology.
No, I'm busy at Kinko's having several hundred thousand Muhammed cartoons printed.

No, I'm busy at Kinko's having several hundred thousand Muhammed cartoons printed.

That's good. I'll go get my booze and firearms.

Minus the pigs part.... they're right.

But do they believe that of themselves, or is it only the Jews that are descended from pigs while they themselves come from a more divine origin?

But do they believe that of themselves, or is it only the Jews that are descended from pigs while they themselves come from a more divine origin?
No, they buy into the whole "God shaped man from clay" thing, like in the bible. Their enemies, however, are the descendents of pigs and apes.

Well, where are the news videos of millions of irate Americans burning down buildings and rioting in the streets and killing people because they're angry over a cartoon?

Eh?


No the video of Americans I saw doing that was done over a basketball game.

No the video of Americans I saw doing that was done over a basketball game.
But that's important stuff!!:eek:

No, they buy into the whole "God shaped man from clay" thing, like in the bible. Their enemies, however, are the descendents of pigs and apes.

How does that work anyways? I mean the pig and ape thing.

I'm getting the image in my head of a monkey snuggling with a pig, but something tells me that's not what they mean...

No the video of Americans I saw doing that was done over a basketball game.

Now that's more like it!

I mean, for all of those people who are worried about the US becoming too religious, and having that affect their policies, I can only point to the fact that we riot over sports games (as do the British), and never seem to get that upset over religious trifles.

Now that's more like it!

I mean, for all of those people who are worried about the US becoming too religious, and having that affect their policies, I can only point to the fact that we riot over sports games (as do the British), and never seem to get that upset over religious trifles.


I wouldnt say that. American citizens have bombed buildings over religious beliefs.

But that's important stuff!!:eek:


despite what DK is implying I think both instances are equally as idiotic to get violently upset over.

ummmm..ok..so i gather you know her personally.

if not..then your full of shit,just like every other know it all cyber genius.

stalin was an asshole..can we agree...hitler also..and i knew neither...but there track record kinda proves them..condi on the other hand..could well be a lackey or a twit...but seeing as she has no real track record...nor has she done nothing to lead me to believe she is meglamaniac..then you my friend our just as bad as the people you so glibly paste as bad...so unless you grew up with her,and watched her torture animals..you really have no right to state she is horrible..i will stae that by you being so fucking biased...you insult a women you never met to make some pathetic political point...your worse then what you claim to denounce...fool.


Blah blah blah, stop whining.

Condoleeza rice is a public person, not a private person - she is absolutely liable to be judged based on her public actions. I don't care how nice Joseph Stalin was to his nephew's puppy dog, he's still despicable.

Condoleeza rice has demonstrated she has no character or integrity, she is a shill and a sleazebag, human trash.

http://www.newsvine.com/_vine/images/users/nws/yaakov/307755.jpg

Rough translation : Qana 2 - her gift to Lebanon.

This thread is crazy, how can anyone justify racism?

maybe the cartoon is pointing out the fact that like a monkey America is untrustworthy and just out to cause mischief

Either way it shows the Arabs are pissed at someone
ROFL

Who'd have thought that the same people who would have been screaming about racist conservative christians right now would be defending racist Arabs!

I mean, I never saw that coming. I just can't believe it? Did anyone expect this? Anyone?

I mean, am I the only person who had no idea this would happen, or is there a large faction of surprised people out there simultaneously going :eek:

Maybe a little shock and awe? How about a glimmer of amusement? No? Everyone else expected it?

Huh. Guess I WAS the only one..............

Wow, you just said an apple is an orange again but with a difference set of comparisons, good job.
Hell, in this case, if I say you are a piece of shit, thats not an insult? After all, a human is obviously an orange and a piece of shit is.... a.... piece of shit. So maybe its not an apple, but its not an orange!!!!

I think that "black people are chimps" is an American racist opinion.
So, Arabs are completely ignorant about Americans?

Or, seeing as how that particular comparison is made in MANY countries, Arabs know so little about other cultures they haven't picked anything up?


Wait, wait....
We moved too fast. I want someone to provide conclusive evidence that Arabs NEVER compare blacks to monkeys.



Without proof, it stands as a racial slur. After all, thats the rules you normally use right?

I didn't know Arabs were racist against black people.

One of the reasons blacks convert to Islam in the US is cause they think the Arabs see them as equals.

It seems to make more sense that it was a reference to Condi and Bush being lovers and birthing a new militant middle east together (the baby looking like Bush of course).

Besides I think the burden of proof that Arabs are racist against blacks falls on the person making the claim that it is so since by looking at what we generally know about Arabic culture, it seems otherwise.

Someone was saying earlier that they are racist against Jews and consider them the decendants of pigs and monkeys so looking at the cartoon another way perhaps they were actually makign the racist statement agaisnt the jews and Condi birthing a militant Jewish baby because she is in bed with Israel in the figurative sense.

I'm not saying it's impossible that they were making a racist comment about Condi, but I am saying that it is unlikely IMHO.

I didn't know Arabs were racist against black people.


Some people seem to think that atleast some Arabs are. This article (http://www.nigeriavillagesquare1.com/Articles/ebe_ochonu/2005/07/arab-racism-against-black-africans.html) from the Nigerian Village Square seems to indicate that that Arab racism against blacks is common, and that the topic is well discussed. This, by the way, was the first link on Google when using the search term "arab racism against black (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=arab+racism+against+black&btnG=Search)".

I didn't know Arabs were racist against black people.


Arabs (not all Arabs, obviously) are indeed racist towards blacks (the Janjaweed Arab militia of Sudan targetting blacks is partly due to racist reasons also). Plus they sexist towards woman. Condi being a black woman sets them off.

Rich Arabs regularly employ blacks (and Indo-Pakis) for menial labor because they think that menial labor is beneath them. Reason why they still hire immigrant labor and having Arab unemployment at the same time.

One of the reasons blacks convert to Islam in the US is cause they think the Arabs see them as equals.

That is an ideal (Islam preaches equality blah blah blah). Practice != ideals.

That's what's known as Islamophilia.

I agree 100% with the rest as well.


just in case...i do not have preconceived attitudes towards cultures...yes people are different..but that does not make one a rascist to point out differences.
to paint all with the same brush does...which is why i prefaced my opinion with this remark

"and when i say "they"
i do not impugn the whole of islam..but i certainly impugn the hordes dancing in the street after 911,and the ones that burned embassies over fricken cartoons."

just in case...i do not have preconceived attitudes towards cultures...yes people are different..but that does not make one a rascist to point out differences.
to paint all with the same brush does...which is why i prefaced my opinion with this remark

"and when i say "they"
i do not impugn the whole of islam..but i certainly impugn the hordes dancing in the street after 911,and the ones that burned embassies over fricken cartoons."
No, no, no... Islamophilia. philia (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/philia) not phobia.


ROFL

Who'd have thought that the same people who would have been screaming about racist conservative christians right now would be defending racist Arabs!

I mean, I never saw that coming. I just can't believe it? Did anyone expect this? Anyone?

I mean, am I the only person who had no idea this would happen, or is there a large faction of surprised people out there simultaneously going :eek:

Maybe a little shock and awe? How about a glimmer of amusement? No? Everyone else expected it?

Huh. Guess I WAS the only one..............
yup.. all sleazebags, human trash. ;)

This thread is crazy, how can anyone justify racism?

Shh. It's great if Arabs do it, and bad if anyone else does it.

It's also ok for Arabs to have a violent world view, and to blow up anyone they feel like killing, and to have no fucking clue as to what goes on in the world or why. It's a crime for everyone else.

A lot of people want to give the Arabs a free pass, on the idea that somehow they can't help themselves.

read the first couple of pages and no-one seems to have mentioned this..

Text: "Rice speaks about birth of a new Middle East" Al-Quds, July 24, 2006

yes its a black women given birth to a monkey/chimp. Notice that the monkey has a helmet with a star of david on it. So if it is racist, it appears to be aimed at isrealis.

Does anyone know if there is a connection between simians & israelis in this type of propaganda?

yes its a black women given birth to a monkey/chimp. Notice that the monkey has a helmet with a star of david on it. So if it is racist, it appears to be aimed at isrealis.

Does anyone know if there is a connection between simians & israelis in this type of propaganda?

As mentioned previously in this thread, Islam says that the Jews are descended from apes and pigs.

So, pretty racist. Pretty obvious, except for those who have it in their heads that Islam can do no wrong.

As mentioned previously in this thread, Islam says that the Jews are descended from apes and pigs.

So, pretty racist. Pretty obvious, except for those who have it in their heads that Islam can do no wrong.

don't you mean arabs? The koran itself does not endorse ethnic racism, and it looks quite favourably on Christians and Jews.

Islamists though, that's a whole different kettle of fish, so i get your point

don't you mean arabs? The koran itself does not endorse ethnic racism, and it looks quite favourably on Christians and Jews.

Islamists though, that's a whole different kettle of fish, so i get your point


Sorry.
We're not discussing what the Koran says.

We're not even discussing what muslims say.

We're discussing what the Arabs say...

don't you mean arabs? The koran itself does not endorse ethnic racism, and it looks quite favourably on Christians and Jews.

Islamists though, that's a whole different kettle of fish, so i get your point

It's in the Hadith. Generally accepted as true, constantly used for propaganda purposes.

Like most "holy books", the Koran itself is contradictory within itself, and it cannot be separated from the religious works that followed, which are also contradictory.

Having lived in the middle east, it's very much one rule for those who do agree, and a plethera of abuse for those who do not.

That said, we're talking about the media and cartoonist. Is it fair to assume that the arabs as a whole share the same view as one man working for a paper drawing cartoons for a living?

Having lived in the middle east, it's very much one rule for those who do agree, and a plethera of abuse for those who do not.

That said, we're talking about the media and cartoonist. Is it fair to assume that the arabs as a whole share the same view as one man working for a paper drawing cartoons for a living?


Since they go simian over one cartoon and don't go simian over another cartoon... they may not all share the same view, but they all share the same corporate guilt.

Sorry.
We're not discussing what the Koran says.

We're not even discussing what muslims say.

We're discussing what the Arabs say...

did you read the post i was replying to? You will notice the use of the word "islam", not "arab" was used. Thus my post.

Since they go simian over one cartoon and don't go simian over another cartoon... they may not all share the same view, but they all share the same corporate guilt.

hmmm

yeah I'll give you that :p

It's in the Hadith. Generally accepted as true, constantly used for propaganda purposes.

Like most "holy books", the Koran itself is contradictory within itself, and it cannot be separated from the religious works that followed, which are also contradictory.

fair enough. bloody religious books. can't give a straight answer anymore!!!;)

did you read the post i was replying to? You will notice the use of the word "islam", not "arab" was used. Thus my post.


Consider it then aimed at one and all.

Arabs =!= muslims - unless you think like Abu Jaja.

'only arabs are good muslims, and only muslims are good Arabs'

hmmm

yeah I'll give you that :p

See? It ain't so hard... ;)

abu jaja???

fair enough. bloody religious books. can't give a straight answer anymore!!!;)

You don't even need to compare the Old Testament to the New Testament.

Each is contradictory within itself.

You don't even need to compare the Old Testament to the New Testament.

Each is contradictory within itself.


SHHHHHHH!!!!!the fundies might here you

abu jaja???


The (former(?)) leader of the Arab European League.

The (former(?)) leader of the Arab European League.


oh them....

yeah a bit of a dodgy group. Give a bit of a conflicting message aswell. except of the anti-zionist bit though

oh them....

yeah a bit of a dodgy group. Give a bit of a conflicting message aswell. except of the anti-zionist bit though

I don't know if you've ever read The trouble with Islam today,

but the core belief of the AEL ( all other muslims are only good muslims inasfar as they totally obey each and every Arab ), is actually quite widely spread in arab society.

Lemme get this straight...

They held riots and requested a Cartoonist to be executed because he did a cartoon on Muhammad, but its fine if they call the American Foreign Secretary a "black spinster woman" and draw a cartoon of her with a monkey in her womb?

Komyunizumu']Lemme get this straight...

They held riots and requested a Cartoonist to be executed because he did a cartoon on Muhammad, but its fine if they call the American Foreign Secretary a "black spinster woman" and draw a cartoon of her with a monkey in her womb?

Exactly. Now go get your torch, some rocks, and get in line.

I don't think we should compare a politician to the founder of islam.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but don't muslims say Mohammad should be be drawn/painted/represent in any sort of way?
Fair enough, IMO the reaction was extreme, but that's fundies for you!

As mentioned previously in this thread, Islam says that the Jews are descended from apes and pigs.

Islam says that or (some) Arabs say that?

So, pretty racist. Pretty obvious, except for those who have it in their heads that Islam can do no wrong.


Arabs not Islam.

There are over a billion Muslims in the world and only around 300 million. Arab != Muslim.
(Sorry, people using Arab and Islam as synonyms has become on of my pet peeves)

Komyunizumu']Lemme get this straight...

They held riots and requested a Cartoonist to be executed because he did a cartoon on Muhammad, but its fine if they call the American Foreign Secretary a "black spinster woman" and draw a cartoon of her with a monkey in her womb?

Not excusing the cartoon or anything, but can't you see why they view the holiest prophet of their religion much more favourably then a foreign dignatory?

Not excusing the cartoon or anything, but can't you see why they view the holiest prophet of their religion much more favourably then a foreign dignatory?

Consider that artists have presented Jesus in a bottle of urine as "art", and that is essentially, to many Christians, a depiction of the Son of God (not some measly prophet) in a derogatory manner.

Oh, where were the riots, the burning of embassies, the calls by Christian leaders around the world to kill the artist and everyone who sponsored the artist?

Mmmm? Nowhere to be found, eh?

Consider that artists have presented Jesus in a bottle of urine as "art", and that is essentially, to many Christians, a depiction of the Son of God (not some measly prophet) in a derogatory manner.

Oh, where were the riots, the burning of embassies, the calls by Christian leaders around the world to kill the artist and everyone who sponsored the artist?

Mmmm? Nowhere to be found, eh?

Forementioned depictions in a secular nation with established rules and order where such riots would not be tolerated. Next!

Consider that artists have presented Jesus in a bottle of urine as "art", and that is essentially, to many Christians, a depiction of the Son of God (not some measly prophet) in a derogatory manner.

Oh, where were the riots, the burning of embassies, the calls by Christian leaders around the world to kill the artist and everyone who sponsored the artist?

Mmmm? Nowhere to be found, eh?


Right-thinking secular people have long since put a muzzle on christians and built institutions to prevent this kind of behavior. A muslim of today is a christian of 500 years ago.

Forementioned depictions in a secular nation with established rules and order where such riots would not be tolerated. Next!
Indeed! And the Christians are well civilized enough to know not to behave like irate Muslims.

Consider that artists have presented Jesus in a bottle of urine as "art", and that is essentially, to many Christians, a depiction of the Son of God (not some measly prophet) in a derogatory manner.

Oh, where were the riots, the burning of embassies, the calls by Christian leaders around the world to kill the artist and everyone who sponsored the artist?

Mmmm? Nowhere to be found, eh?

I'm not to sure about what this has to do with the Mohammed-Condi comparison, but Christians don't exactly have a history of looking at art favourably (in recent times, I don't really care about dredgin up the middle ages).

Though true, I'm don't know of any death threats issued by Christian leaders or embassies burned because Christians were offended recently. I do know about cinemas getting fire bombed and artists assaulted though, but that paes in comparrison I'm sure.

(And it is "artist" singular, Andres Serrano in particular. It isn't as if all budding artists have had a go at doing a "Piss Christ")

Indeed! And the Christians are well civilized enough to know not to behave like irate Muslims.

Give them a country of their own on the scale of The Kingdom of Gilead and let's see if they still behave "well-civilized." Oh, and get a dictionary since you can't grasp the meaning of "secular."

:rolleyes:

Indeed! And the Christians are well civilized enough to know not to behave like irate Muslims.


We just have laws against it in the secular world.

This just came over the news. Several Arabic newspapers have called American Secretary of State "that black spinster woman," among other things, and an Arabic cartoonist has shown her with a monkey in her womb.

NOW who's being "racist?"

A search turned up no online sources.


Thats it!!
I will take to the streets and burn a flag, throw some rocks and bottles.

I am outraged!

Give them a country of their own on the scale of The Kingdom of Gilead and let's see if they still behave "well-civilized." Oh, and get a dictionary since you can't grasp the meaning of "secular."

:rolleyes:

Yes, the US is a secular country. But plenty of Christians, eh?

More than enough to change the laws to allow for religious rioting.

Don't see us doing it though. We riot over college football games and NBA championships. Evidently, even the Christians here don't take their religion as seriously as most Muslims.

Yes, the US is a secular country. But plenty of Christians, eh?

More than enough to change the laws to allow for religious rioting.

Don't see us doing it though. We riot over college football games and NBA championships. Evidently, even the Christians here don't take their religion as seriously as most Muslims.


And the point is that Americans are more civilized because they riot over things that are not important to Muslims?

Are you suggesting that Christians haven't bombed buildings in the US over religoius ideals?

And the point is that Americans are more civilized because they riot over things that are not important to Muslims?

Are you suggesting that Christians haven't bombed buildings in the US over religoius ideals?

Certainly not in response to a cartoon or art depicting Jesus.

You're trying to quietly shift the goalpost...

Certainly not in response to a cartoon or art depicting Jesus.

You're trying to quietly shift the goalpost...
I have to go with Kimchi on this one. There was that flap some years back about the elephant-dung Madonna painting, but no buildings blew up, or caught fire and I don't recall that there was much of anything else but hot air and newsprint expended.

Certainly not in response to a cartoon or art depicting Jesus.

You're trying to quietly shift the goalpost...

Then lets put it this way; are you suggesting that no Christians were involved in the rioting over sports games? Do you think that it is much more justifiable to burn buildings and cars and attack other people over the results of a basketball or soccer match, than it is to do so because of a cartoon that attacks your religion?

EDIT: I should say that in IMO both groups are a bunch of idiots for bringing violence and destruction for such trivial matters.

Then lets put it this way; are you suggesting that no Christians were involved in the rioting over sports games? Do you think that it is much more justifiable to burn buildings and cars and attack other people over the results of a basketball or soccer match, than it is to do so because of a cartoon that attacks your religion?

The rioters at games aren't doing it for Christian religious reasons, if that's what you're trying to infer.

The game riots occur on a scale several orders of magnitude less than that of the Muslim rioting over a cartoon. And we arrest the people who riot here.

They don't arrest the rioters there. In some cases, the local government actually encouraged the rioting and especially the burning of embassies.

Gee, the US lost the World Cup (in fact, never had a chance and was quickly ass-kicked out the door), and we didn't burn down the Italian Embassy.

And Christians in the US have never burned an Embassy. Never turned out in the millions to riot over depictions of God.

Certainly not in response to a cartoon or art depicting Jesus.

You're trying to quietly shift the goalpost...

And you're trying to say there's a goalpost in baseball.

Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_controversy)

The Refusal of the Prime Minister to meet with a group of Imams who played it by the books and asked for the cartoons to be removed quietly, along with the apparent refusal of the Danish police to investigate as a violation of the Blasphemy Laws resulted in them taking it to the Middle East, where a few creative firebrands added more incendiary cartoons that were never published in Denmark along with a photo from a French Pig Festival that was relabeled as a profane remark about Muhammad and showed it to the Muslim world.

Hence the riots and protests that everyone here assumed happened on Day One.

:rolleyes:

And you're trying to say there's a goalpost in baseball.

Jyllands-Posten Muhammad cartoons controversy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartoon_controversy)

The Refusal of the Prime Minister to meet with a group of Imams who played it by the books and asked for the cartoons to be removed quietly, along with the apparent refusal of the Danish police to investigate as a violation of the Blasphemy Laws resulted in them taking it to the Middle East, where a few creative firebrands added more incendiary cartoons that were never published in Denmark along with a photo from a French Pig Festival that was relabeled as a profane remark about Muhammad and showed it to the Muslim world.

Hence the riots and protests that everyone here assumed happened on Day One.

:rolleyes:


No, I didn't assume they happenned on Day One.

But they certainly happened on Day One of their release to the Muslim World at large, as you just proved.

The rioters at games aren't doing it for Christian religious reasons, if that's what you're trying to infer.

The game riots occur on a scale several orders of magnitude less than that of the Muslim rioting over a cartoon. And we arrest the people who riot here.

They don't arrest the rioters there. In some cases, the local government actually encouraged the rioting and especially the burning of embassies.

Gee, the US lost the World Cup (in fact, never had a chance and was quickly ass-kicked out the door), and we didn't burn down the Italian Embassy.

And Christians in the US have never burned an Embassy. Never turned out in the millions to riot over depictions of God.


No I'm not suggesting that... I'm suggesting that Christians are not above rioting and burning buildings over idiotic trivial matters such as a basketball game. That puts them on the same level as the Muslims that rioted and burned shit over a cartoon. And whats worse is that USIans burned cars homes, and businesses and attacked people that weren't even affiliated with these games.

Yes our govt. puts down riots and that is a good thing. I wasn't talkign about govt's but individuals. You seem to keep saying Islam/Muslims/Arabs as a whole are uncivilized and beneath anyone else in the world and that at least Americans dont riot over cartoon like those filthy A-rabs. It's moronic at best.

Yes our govt. puts down riots and that is a good thing. I wasn't talkign about govt's but individuals. You seem to keep saying Islam/Muslims/Arabs as a whole are uncivilized and beneath anyone else in the world and that at least Americans dont riot over cartoon like those filthy A-rabs. It's moronic at best.
I'm talking about whole societies.

Do you see us burning down an Embassy because we lose a game?

I'm talking about whole societies.

Do you see us burning down an Embassy because we lose a game?


no I see our citizens burn down local businesses and homes and police cars because we lose games.

both stupid - end of story

no I see our citizens burn down local businesses and homes and police cars because we lose games.

both stupid - end of story

Nope. Nowhere near the same scale.

Even things like the Watts riots don't compare in scale to what the Muslims have done in response to a cartoon.

Nope. Nowhere near the same scale.

Even things like the Watts riots don't compare in scale to what the Muslims have done in response to a cartoon.


thats just because you hate Muslims

- our idiots are just the same as their idiots.

thats just because you hate Muslims

- our idiots are just the same as their idiots.

Actually, you're making a fundamental mistake.

I don't hate Muslims. I believe the religion itself needs to be either seriously reformed or removed. And most of its more radical believers need to be put in re-education camps for a decade or so.

Has nothing to do with hate or racism.

Actually, you're making a fundamental mistake.

I don't hate Muslims. I believe the religion itself needs to be either seriously reformed or removed. And most of its more radical believers need to be put in re-education camps for a decade or so.

Has nothing to do with hate or racism.


Oh I thought you wanted them all sterilized.

Oh I thought you wanted them all sterilized.
That would work as well. Just another option.

Like I said, has nothing to do with hate. I keep wondering why you think it does.

That would work as well. Just another option.

Like I said, has nothing to do with hate. I keep wondering why you think it does.


because if someone said they wanted all Christians sterilized I would think they hated Christians. If they said they wanted all Blacks sterilized I would thingk they hated blacks. If they said they wanted all Americans Sterilized I would think they hated Americans. If they said they wanted all hippies sterilized...

One just seems to logically follow the other.

because if someone said they wanted all Christians sterilized I would think they hated Christians. If they said they wanted all Blacks sterilized I would thingk they hated blacks. If they said they wanted all Americans Sterilized I would think they hated Americans. If they said they wanted all hippies sterilized...

One just seems to logically follow the other.
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