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The Israeli cabinet has agreed to widen the country's ground offensive against Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.

The decision, made at a closed door session, received unanimous approval, according to a senior political source.

The government is also planning to call up thousands more reservists, Israeli radio reported.

Earlier Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ruled out an immediate truce, saying Israel would continue its offensive as long as its security was threatened.

So much for that ceasefire... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/5233518.stm)

I for one welcome the coming GroßIsrael. :D

Wider, longer, harder they shall penetrate further and faster!

No one was really expecting an imediate cease fire anyway.

About time ...I was thinking they wanted to lose .

No one was really expecting an imediate cease fire anyway.

Well, I don't think many people were expecting they would just screw the ceasefire and go the exact opposite route instead.

So much for that ceasefire... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/5233518.stm)
While that ceasefire should have been more important hopefully the focus on ground combat will help keep civilian casualties lower then otherwise

I can hope

Maybe you should check the history of UN ceasefires and Israel. I think they may have *gasp* lost faith in the UN.

So whats the UN going to do? Issue a letter saying that Israel is a very mean state?

Maybe you should check the history of UN ceasefires and Israel. I think they may have *gasp* lost faith in the UN.

So whats the UN going to do? Issue a letter saying that Israel is a very mean state?

What's that got to do with anything?

This was a self imposed 'truce'. It was aimed at letting humanitarian aid through.

Nothing to do with the UN.

Instead of looking like an ass on the internet, check what you're about to post.

Great. More dead women, children and maybe one terrorist.

What's that got to do with anything?

This was a self imposed 'truce'. It was aimed at letting humanitarian aid through.

Nothing to do with the UN.

Instead of looking like an ass on the internet, check what you're about to post.
But I do so enjoy it :)

Anyway, perhaps they plan to widen their ground offensive AFTER the ceasfire is over?

And the fellow below me has a point as well, a ceasation of airstrikes doesnt mean the ground war stops.

So much for that ceasefire... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/5233518.stm)

There was never a cease-fire to begin with but a halt in air operations minus support for ground troops.

As to this, I was wondering when this was coming. It does not come as a surprise to me but I fear a further escalation if Syria decides to do anything.

Liasia']Great. More dead women, children and maybe one terrorist.

That's what happens when one has national wars.

That's what happens when one has national wars.
Gotta love em:(

There was never a cease-fire to begin with but a halt in air operations minus support for ground troops.

As to this, I was wondering when this was coming. It does not come as a surprise to me but I fear a further escalation if Syria decides to do anything.
Syria won't get involved. They have bad memories from 1982. They lost 82 aircraft in ACM with nothing to show for it.

Syria won't get involved. They have bad memories from 1982. They lost 82 aircraft in ACM with nothing to show for it.
To be fair, they were nuked.

Liasia']To be fair, they were nuked.
:confused:

:confused:
look up nukes and six day war on google. There is some speculation the Israleis won it due to america giving them nuclear technology, and them using it.

Liasia']look up nukes and six day war on google. There is some speculation the Israleis won it due to america giving them nuclear technology, and them using it.

Hmm no nukes were used in the 6 Day War.

Hmm no nukes were used in the 6 Day War.
And you would know this how?

Liasia']And you would know this how?

Because if nukes were used, there would be a record of it and there are not any records anywhere saying that a nuke was used. On top of that, radiation poisoning cases have not even cropped up. That's another sign that no nukes were used. Also, Israel would also have received a dose of radiation from their own bomb. That didn't happen either. Are areas uninhabitable? No? Did not think so.

Also, that area has Chemical Weapons. Do you firmly believe that if a nuke was used they would not resort to using it?

Because if nukes were used, there would be a record of it and there are not any records anywhere saying that a nuke was used. On top of that, radiation poisoning cases have not even cropped up. That's another sign that no nukes were used. Also, Israel would also have received a dose of radiation from their own bomb. That didn't happen either. Are areas uninhabitable? No? Did not think so.

Also, that area has Chemical Weapons. Do you firmly believe that if a nuke was used they would not resort to using it?
tactical nukes, not the 15 megaton type. Besides, i'm just saying what i read on wikipedia.

Liasia']tactical nukes, not the 15 megaton type. Besides, i'm just saying what i read on wikipedia.

Tacticle nukes will still leave radiation behind and my point still stands in regards to a response from the arab nations. There was no such response so I would not trust that entry in Wikipedia.

Tacticle nukes will still leave radiation behind and my point still stands in regards to a response from the arab nations. There was no such response so I would not trust that entry in Wikipedia.
TBH mate, i'd trust it over you. No offence, but iv'e read the nuke thing from several sources

Liasia']TBH mate, i'd trust it over you. No offence, but iv'e read the nuke thing from several sources
Dude, that is BS. While Wiki is a generally good source it has known to wrong...no credible history book states that nuclear weapons have EVER been used outside of Japan. Ever.

Liasia']TBH mate, i'd trust it over you. No offence, but iv'e read the nuke thing from several sources

Well since you brought it up, and apparently want to ignore history, let me see your sources.

Dude, that is BS. While Wiki is a generally good source it has known to wrong...no credible history book states that nuclear weapons have EVER been used outside of Japan. Ever.

Well they have been used but just not on civilian population centers.

Dude, that is BS. While Wiki is a generally good source it has known to wrong...no credible history book states that nuclear weapons have EVER been used outside of Japan. Ever.
Youv'e read every single one on the subject have you?

Liasia']Youv'e read every single one on the subject have you?

Well since there was no documented use of nuclear weapons...

Well since you brought it up, and apparently want to ignore history, let me see your sources.
'According to Seymour Hersh, PM Levi Eshkol delayed starting nuclear weapons production even after the Dimona facility was finished. The reactor remained in operation so the plutonium continued to collect, whether it was separated or not. It is generally believed that the first extraction of plutonium occurred in 1965, and that enough plutonium was on hand for one weapon during the Six Day War in 1967 although whether a prototype weapon actually existed or not is unknown. Hersh relates that Moshe Dayan gave the go ahead for starting weapon production in early 1968, which is when the plutonium separation plant presumably went into full operation. After this Israel began producing three to five bombs a year. William Burroms and Robert Windrem, on the other hand, assert in Critical Mass that Israel actually had two bombs available for use in 1967, and that Eshkol actually ordered them armed in Israel's first nuclear alert during the Six Day War. '
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/Isrhist.html thats from one google search

So much for that ceasefire... (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/5233518.stm)

hmm lets think hezbollah doesn't want a ceasefire and israel does not. so why would they accept one.

Well since there was no documented use of nuclear weapons...
Just because it wasnt documented doesnt mean it didn't happen.

and that means they had them on standbuy. if they used a nuke then it would have said so

I always listen to the BBC, I wonder how I could've missed this. American channels are too biased towards...well...America.
And yes, I realize that those darn Brits are biased too : )
Anyway, sucks for Lebanon. At least ground offensives probably won't kill as many civilians (I never was a fan of civilian massacres as most of you seem to be...). Then again, I'm probably wrong.

Liasia']tactical nukes, not the 15 megaton type. Besides, i'm just saying what i read on wikipedia.
HA HA HA HA HAH HAH AHHAHAHA

You're joking right?

No you're not. Wow, I feel sorry for you.

Who is your source? Al Jazeera?

Liasia']tactical nukes, not the 15 megaton type. Besides, i'm just saying what i read on wikipedia.
ehem...Wikipedia is generally a good source but some of my classmates used Wikipedia for all their info for a project, and they got a C- (which is nearly unheard of in my class). I would at least verify the info you get.

Liasia']Just because it wasnt documented doesnt mean it didn't happen.
You can't hide a nuclear bomb detonation. If it happened, then Syria and the rest of the world would be bitching about it.

Your ignorance in this thread has completely discredited anything you may say in the future or have said in the past.

Liasia']Youv'e read every single one on the subject have you?
Yes, I have.
Liasia']'According to Seymour Hersh, PM Levi Eshkol delayed starting nuclear weapons production even after the Dimona facility was finished. The reactor remained in operation so the plutonium continued to collect, whether it was separated or not. It is generally believed that the first extraction of plutonium occurred in 1965, and that enough plutonium was on hand for one weapon during the Six Day War in 1967 although whether a prototype weapon actually existed or not is unknown. Hersh relates that Moshe Dayan gave the go ahead for starting weapon production in early 1968, which is when the plutonium separation plant presumably went into full operation. After this Israel began producing three to five bombs a year. William Burroms and Robert Windrem, on the other hand, assert in Critical Mass that Israel actually had two bombs available for use in 1967, and that Eshkol actually ordered them armed in Israel's first nuclear alert during the Six Day War. '
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/Isrhist.html thats from one google search
Dont be a conspiracy tool, this doesnt say Israel used a nuke on arabs.:rolleyes:

Liasia']'According to Seymour Hersh, PM Levi Eshkol delayed starting nuclear weapons production even after the Dimona facility was finished. The reactor remained in operation so the plutonium continued to collect, whether it was separated or not. It is generally believed that the first extraction of plutonium occurred in 1965, and that enough plutonium was on hand for one weapon during the Six Day War in 1967 although whether a prototype weapon actually existed or not is unknown. Hersh relates that Moshe Dayan gave the go ahead for starting weapon production in early 1968, which is when the plutonium separation plant presumably went into full operation. After this Israel began producing three to five bombs a year. William Burroms and Robert Windrem, on the other hand, assert in Critical Mass that Israel actually had two bombs available for use in 1967, and that Eshkol actually ordered them armed in Israel's first nuclear alert during the Six Day War. '
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/Isrhist.html thats from one google search

So they were armed. Big deal. Our weapons are on hair trigger alert but we have not used them since August 9, 1945.

HA HA HA HA HAH HAH AHHAHAHA

You're joking right?

No you're not. Wow, I feel sorry for you.

Who is your source? Al Jazeera?
Yeh, cause im going to listen to a guy with the name IDF concerning anything connected to Israel:rolleyes:

You can't hide a nuclear bomb detonation. If it happened, then Syria and the rest of the world would be bitching about it.

Your ignorance in this thread has completely discredited anything you may say in the future or have said in the past.
Agreed. If a bomb went off, everyone, most notably the arabs, would know about it.

Seems like hes the only one that does.:rolleyes:

I can't be bummed to respond to all the bashing of me, but i'd just like to say I saw it on a tv program as well...
Ah fuck it. Think what you like.

Liasia']Just because it wasnt documented doesnt mean it didn't happen.

If it happened, it would be documented.

Liasia']Yeh, cause im going to listen to a guy with the name IDF concerning anything connected to Israel:rolleyes:
So I support a side. That doesn't change the fact that you obviously know very little. A tactical nuke leaves a large amount of fallout. If one was used, it would've been public knowledge.

Oh, and the 1982 war I cited was a minor one compared to the 67 and 73 ones. If a nuke were used, it wouldn't explain an 82-0 kill ratio in ACM combat.

hmm lets think hezbollah doesn't want a ceasefire and israel does not. so why would they accept one.
Sorry to annoy you guys some more...I was pretty sure Hezbollah did, but I'll assume they didn't for now, since your probably right. They may not want cease-fire, but almost all other countries do. Lebanon sure does, and they're the battle ground. I have a feeling that this'll be kind of like the Thirty Years War with Lebanon playing the part of most of Germany (or the Holy Roman Empire): the battleground of the whole region, even though it played a somewhat smaller role.

P.S. Sorry if I overly downplay the role of Germany...I never was too big on accuracy.

Liasia']I can't be bummed to respond to all the bashing of me, but i'd just like to say I saw it on a tv program as well...
Ah fuck it. Think what you like.I can't take anyone who believes such an event happened seriously. They obviously lack any real logic and thus their analysis is guaranteed to be flawed since they are too easily swayed by propaganda and believe what they want.

If it happened, it would be documented.
Time will tell...

Liasia']I can't be bummed to respond to all the bashing of me, but i'd just like to say I saw it on a tv program as well...
Ah fuck it. Think what you like.

Well I for one have not bashed you so I would like you to answer this question. What TV program was it?

I can't take anyone who believes such an event happened seriously. They obviously lack any real logic and thus their analysis is guaranteed to be flawed since they are too easily swayed by propaganda and believe what they want.
I'm actually crying. Seriously.
jeez, you mention something in passing and you get verbally ass-raped by everbody and their cousin.

Well I for one have not bashed you so I would like you to answer this question. What TV program was it?
It was years ago. Something about the six day war on the discovery channel.
Also at the start of the sum of all fears, they find a nuke from an israeli plane.

Liasia']I'm actually crying. Seriously.
jeez, you mention something in passing and you get verbally ass-raped by everbody and their cousin.
If you're actually crying, suck it up.

If you actually beleive the shit your mentioning while passing.....suck up some smarts.

Dont be retarded and make bullshit claims about Israel uses nuclear weapons AND THEN complain when you get hounded for it.

Besides, I looked on Wiki and couldnt even find anything on it.

Liasia']Time will tell...

Well 43 years is a long time for something like a nuke to be documented. Since a nuke was not documented,I can only assume that one was not used.

Liasia']It was years ago. Something about the six day war on the discovery channel.
Also at the start of the sum of all fears, they find a nuke from an israeli plane.

No source on discovery.

AND THAT WAS A FUCKING HOLLYWOOD MOVIE!!!!!!!!:rolleyes: :D

Liasia']It was years ago. Something about the six day war on the discovery channel.
Also at the start of the sum of all fears, they find a nuke from an israeli plane.

Just because it was in a movie, does not make it factual. I am still cureous about how you have come to believe that a tactical nuclear bomb was used in the 6 Day War. If one was used, there would be tremendous outrage and Israel would have been in deep deep trouble.

Liasia']It was years ago. Something about the six day war on the discovery channel.
Also at the start of the sum of all fears, they find a nuke from an israeli plane.
I love Tom Clancy and all of his work, but that book and movie are fiction. As far as I know, there is no SSBN named Red October, there is no Rainbow Six, there was no Ding Chavez kicking ass in Colombia, there is no Bob Ritter, the Japanese didn't fly a 747 into the Capital building (but damn Clancy wrote that 7 years before 9-11, FREAKY).

If you're actually crying, suck it up.

If you actually beleive the shit your mentioning while passing.....suck up some smarts.

Dont be retarded and make bullshit claims about Israel uses nuclear weapons AND THEN complain when you get hounded for it.

Besides, I looked on Wiki and couldnt even find anything on it.
I'm not:p
Fuck you, believing something different to you doesn't make me stupid. No need to get personal.
Actually, i think i will.
your wiki skills are obviously not up to par.

No source on discovery.

AND THAT WAS A FUCKING HOLLYWOOD MOVIE!!!!!!!!:rolleyes: :D
I know:D just thought id mention it.

Liasia']I'm not:p
Fuck you, believing something different to you doesn't make me stupid. No need to get personal.
Actually, i think i will.
your wiki skills are obviously not up to par.
Use wiki on a paper and see what the professor will say. (He might fail you for using it.)

I love Tom Clancy and all of his work, but that book and movie are fiction. As far as I know, there is no SSBN named Red October, there is no Rainbow Six, there was no Ding Chavez kicking ass in Colombia, there is no Bob Ritter, the Japanese didn't fly a 747 into the Capital building (but damn Clancy wrote that 7 years before 9-11, FREAKY).
Seriously:eek:
I thought Tom Clancy was a historian.:rolleyes:

Liasia']I'm not:p
Fuck you, believing something different to you doesn't make me stupid. No need to get personal.
Actually, i think i will.
your wiki skills are obviously not up to par.
Show me the link on Wiki..not that that will prove anything.

Believing something different doesnt make you stupid. Believing in bullshit conspiracies DOES make you stupid.

Use wiki on a paper and see what the professor will say. (He might fail you for using it.)
Or he might give me hardcore oral sex. You never know.

Show me the link on Wiki..not that that will prove anything.

Believing something different doesnt make you stupid. Believing in bullshit conspiracies DOES make you stupid.
*shrugs* Try the six day war.
Can't even be bothered.

Liasia']*shrugs* Try the six day war.
Can't even be bothered.
I did, not there.

You're lying.

I did, not there.

You're lying.
I checked myself, it wasn't there.

Liasia']*shrugs* Try the six day war.
Can't even be bothered.

Well that is fine but remember that you made the allegation and was asked to back it up. Just so happened that I looked at the 6 day war on wikipedia and there is nothing there about a nuclear bomb being used.

OK guys fine. You win, jeez. If i'd believed this stuff to begin with:rolleyes:

Liasia']OK guys fine. You win, jeez. If i'd believed this stuff to begin with:rolleyes:
:rolleyes:
I checked myself, it wasn't there.
Hes pulling it out of his ass.

:rolleyes:

Hes pulling it out of his ass.
Luckily, I don't feel any need to convince you.

I love Tom Clancy and all of his work, but that book and movie are fiction. As far as I know, there is no SSBN named Red October,

That's just what they want you to think.