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After several years of hardship, the country in which you currently reside descends into chaos. The government collapses. The faith of the people in democracy is destroyed. Because of blocking tactics on the part of China the UN will not be intervening to restore order. Two rival factions rise up from the ashes. One of them is a quasi-fascist group (note: they are not racist). The other is a communist revolutionary movement funded by Hugo Chavez. Both are violent.

You are faced with the choice between these two groups, fleeing your country (an incredibly risky option because of the chaos), or hunkering down and waiting it out (you know someone will come to your rescue soon enough).

Who do you choose?

Chavez. If you are going to live under an authoritarian government, might as well be one which believes in free education and healthcare.

Chavez. If you are going to live under an authoritarian government, might as well be one which believes in free education and healthcare.
Oh, as a side note, the communist movement, while it is funded by Chavez, is also not beholden to him or his ideals, much like North Vietnam during the Vietnam War.

Hopefully the fascists will allow more economic freedoms even at the cost of some personal freedoms.

Hopefully the fascists will allow more economic freedoms even at the cost of some personal freedoms.
They might. It's entirely plausible that either side could moderate itself after having achieved victory.

The fascists. At least I can get rich under that kind of government; I'd rather be wealthy and have to pay for my education and healthcare than to be poor and have it all for free. Fascism lets me keep my wealth and luxuries, and that's all that would matter in such a situation.

Siding with the Communists is always more fun in a revolution... it is the bit after the revolution has taken place that the Communists get all freaky scary.

*Flees*

And I recognise the danger, but I didn't right while the Revolution is happening, I'd be damed for life.

Or I'd start my own Revolution with Democratic/Libertarian ideals.

They might. It's entirely plausible that either side could moderate itself after having achieved victory.
True, but Fascists are more likely to view the economy as important. A strong economy means a strong nation to a fascist and to me a strong economy means an opportunity to better my life. When one decides their choice even though anything might happen, what is important is what is more likely to happen.

I'd flee. But not in a cowardly sort of way. I'd guerrilla my way up to Canada, probably up through Pennsylvannia and New York. I'd imagine Detroit would have turned into an urban hellhole, and there'd be no way to cross it. If I was really lucky, some key players in the government might have escaped and they might be attempting to set up a government-in-exile. I'd try to join up with them once I reached safety.

No pie option? :(

No pie option? :(
I'm ruthless, aren't I?

I believe the risks involved in attempting to flee the country are justified. Based on the scenario conditions, I would make the attempt.

The communists for me, the majority of facists are power hungary bigots, who are out for themselves and only help others if there is somthing for them.

When's this revolution happening, I'm quite excited!

I'd side with the commies, then revolt against the govenment they install once it becomes totalitarian.

Chavez. If you are going to live under an authoritarian government, might as well be one which believes in free education and healthcare.
Hopefully the fascists will allow more economic freedoms even at the cost of some personal freedoms.
Judging by history neither side would live up to its ideals, preferring to go on multiple purges of its political opponents. Turning the country into an impoverished police state in the process.

k fuck communism it is way too corrupt, not enough power to the people. Second fuck fascism, one political ideal is not good for everyone. Fascism is usually a violent minority to rise to power. Nazi's wouldn't really be considered fascism since the people of Germany voted for them.

But anyways, I would form my own political front. I would not flee, because only rats do that. And since I am not a coward to stand up for what I believe in, then I would most definitley form a more free peoples front.

I'd side witht the Communists all the way. There is still a chance that things can turn out humanely, and if not, I'm starting another revolution.

Revolution Calling!!!

Flee. Preferably to Holland. That seems like a nice place. C'mon, i doubt many would actually stay

I'll side against the one that plays soccer. Anything else is folly.

Flee. Preferably to Holland. That seems like a nice place. C'mon, i doubt many would actually stay
Well, there during a revolution, there is probably less opportunity to leave than there would be otherwise. Neither side really wants people to leave either, it wouldn't surprise me if the sides would force allegiance through protection fees and forced membership. I might be able to flee to Mexico, however it would take a while and I might get shot by a Fascist on the way to freedom in Mexico.

T'isn't that far to Canada from here.

After several years of hardship, the country in which you currently reside descends into chaos. The government collapses. The faith of the people in democracy is destroyed. Because of blocking tactics on the part of China the UN will not be intervening to restore order. Two rival factions rise up from the ashes. One of them is a quasi-fascist group (note: they are not racist). The other is a communist revolutionary movement funded by Hugo Chavez. Both are violent.

You are faced with the choice between these two groups, fleeing your country (an incredibly risky option because of the chaos), or hunkering down and waiting it out (you know someone will come to your rescue soon enough).

Who do you choose?

http://www.rathole.com/bands/queensryche/mindcrime.jpg

A hit man for the order when you couldn't go to school
Had a skin job for a hair-do damn you looked pretty cool
Had a habit doing mainline watch the dragon burn
No regrets, you've got no goals nothing more to learn

Now I know you won't refuse... because we've got so much to do
And you've got nothing more to lose so take this number and welcome to

Operation : Mindcrime... We're an underground revolution working overtime

Hey you know everything that there is to do
Here's a gun take it home wait by the phone
We'll send someone over to bring you what you need
You're a one man death machine, make this city bleed.

After several years of hardship, the country in which you currently reside descends into chaos. The government collapses. The faith of the people in democracy is destroyed. Because of blocking tactics on the part of China the UN will not be intervening to restore order. Two rival factions rise up from the ashes. One of them is a quasi-fascist group (note: they are not racist). The other is a communist revolutionary movement funded by Hugo Chavez. Both are violent.

You are faced with the choice between these two groups, fleeing your country (an incredibly risky option because of the chaos), or hunkering down and waiting it out (you know someone will come to your rescue soon enough).

Who do you choose?

Go with the communists.

I'd take advantage of the fact that Canada is the least populated nation on Earth.

Get a group of people together, and Four-Wheel/ATV to some obscure location in Northern BC.

Go with the communists.

With their record, you'd be better off with the Kansas City Royals.

After several years of hardship, the country in which you currently reside descends into chaos. The government collapses. The faith of the people in democracy is destroyed. Because of blocking tactics on the part of China the UN will not be intervening to restore order. Two rival factions rise up from the ashes. One of them is a quasi-fascist group (note: they are not racist). The other is a communist revolutionary movement funded by Hugo Chavez. Both are violent.

You are faced with the choice between these two groups, fleeing your country (an incredibly risky option because of the chaos), or hunkering down and waiting it out (you know someone will come to your rescue soon enough).

Who do you choose?

I'd choose to form a 3rd faction: Socialist Libertarianoids! :)

I might do it anyways... :)

Vive la tourte!!!!

I'd choose to form a 3rd faction: Socialist Libertarianoids! :)

I might do it anyways... :)

If not, the Bunker room for me... I'll have one as soon as I can...

After several years of hardship, the country in which you currently reside descends into chaos. The government collapses. The faith of the people in democracy is destroyed. Because of blocking tactics on the part of China the UN will not be intervening to restore order. Two rival factions rise up from the ashes. One of them is a quasi-fascist group (note: they are not racist). The other is a communist revolutionary movement funded by Hugo Chavez. Both are violent.

You are faced with the choice between these two groups, fleeing your country (an incredibly risky option because of the chaos), or hunkering down and waiting it out (you know someone will come to your rescue soon enough).

Who do you choose?

You say you want a revolution, well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution, well, you know
We all want to change the world

But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right

You say you got a real solution, well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution, well, you know
We're doing what we can

But when you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother, you have to wait
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right

You say you'll change the constitution, well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution, well, you know
You better free you mind instead

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
Don't you know it's gonna be all right
All right, all right

...sorry, just thought of that song when I saw the title.

Form a third, libertarian faction, and show the communist pansies and fascist assholes what an extremely violent revolutionary faction really is.

*sides with Nintendo and its Revolution*:D

But given the choice between fascism and communism I'd flee the damn place if there wasn't a viable libertarian faction.

I'd flee; either authoritarian option sounds like hell on earth to me. I imagine that eventually liberty and order would be restored and the risks of trying to hunker down sound greater than fleeing and returning when the dust settled

With their record, you'd be better off with the Kansas City Royals.

Who are they?

Form a third, libertarian faction, and show the communist pansies and fascist assholes what an extremely violent revolutionary faction really is.

Join me. Together, we can... partition the lands! Capitalist on one side and my social on the other... or we could hybridize it...

Fascist Communist
:mp5: :sniper:

Libertarians Hunker-downs
:gundge: :(

Fleers
:eek:

With their record, you'd be better off with the Kansas City Royals.
Who are they?

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=kc

Currently the worst team in baseball.
They've won 37, lost 67, and are 33 games out of first place.

But they do win slightly more than 1 in 3 games, so they're doing better than the Communists.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/index.jsp?c_id=kc

Currently the worst team in baseball.
They've won 37, lost 67, and are 33 games out of first place.

But they do win slightly more than 1 in 3 games, so they're doing better than the Communists.

I pity them.

I pity them.

The Kansas City Royals, or the Communists? :D

So I have three choices: "join totalitarian scum," "flee," or "hunker down." Sacrificing my liberty by joining the fascists or communists, for temporary (not to mention theoretical) benefit, comfort, or any other reason, is even more cowardly than the "flee" option, so the first two options are out. I guess I'd choose some form of the "hunker down" option, including finding other anti-fascist and anti-communist libertarians and engaging in various forms of political resistance and sabotage. Probably the kind of situation where I would get into the habit of flying one of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Black_flag.jpg) without any doubt or misgiving.

Can't say I like either of those choices. I'm leavin' Canada to set up my democratic government in exile. Someplace sunny.

And I'm taking Tim Hortons with me.

Can't say I like either of those choices. I'm leavin' Canada to set up my democratic government in exile. Someplace sunny.

And I'm taking Tim Hortons with me.

Dude, if u flee, u gotta go into the mountains. U cannot be found. Look at Osama... he is still not caught! Hide in the mountains.

So I have three choices: "join totalitarian scum," "flee," or "hunker down." Sacrificing my liberty by joining the fascists or communists, for temporary (not to mention theoretical) benefit, comfort, or any other reason, is even more cowardly than the "flee" option, so the first two options are out. I guess I'd choose some form of the "hunker down" option, including finding other anti-fascist and anti-communist libertarians and engaging in various forms of political resistance and sabotage. Probably the kind of situation where I would get into the habit of flying one of these (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Black_flag.jpg) without any doubt or misgiving.

Feh. I'd rather bring back the Monarchy!
http://www.worldstatesmen.org/at-hu2.gif


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Archduke Otto von Habsburg, Royal Prince of Bohemia (Franz Josef Otto Robert Maria Anton Karl Max Heinrich Sixtus Xavier Felix René Ludwig Gaetano Pius Ignazius von Habsburg-Lothringen)

Hail the Emperor!!
(swigs a shot of plum brandy)

Dude, if u flee, u gotta go into the mountains. U cannot be found. Look at Osama... he is still not caught! Hide in the mountains.

True. It worked for the Wolverines!

Can't say I like either of those choices. I'm leavin' Canada to set up my democratic government in exile. Someplace sunny.

And I'm taking Tim Hortons with me.
Come to Columbus, Ohio. We've got a Tim Hortons right here on high street, and it serves damn good doughnuts.

Dude, if u flee, u gotta go into the mountains. U cannot be found. Look at Osama... he is still not caught! Hide in the mountains.

No, it wouldn't be very sunny in the mountains. And it would be a lot of work dragging my Tim Horton's equipment and supplies all the way up into the mountains of BC. Besides, the pinko commie bastards in BC would find me, and take all my coffee.

Can't stay in Ontario, because the Fascists would force me into working for Tim Hortons to supply the soldiers.

No. Gotta go someplace far, far away and sunny. And bring my Timmie's.

Come to Columbus, Ohio. We've got a Tim Hortons right here on high street, and it serves damn good doughnuts.

I was going to say Michigan, since they've got a half-decent hockey team, but I could do Ohio. Can Ohio do me and my government in exile though? I don't know if Ohio is ready for it...

EDIT: Wait a minute... neither is very sunny... but they're probably better to strike back at the Fascist Party in Ontario.

No, it wouldn't be very sunny in the mountains. And it would be a lot of work dragging my Tim Horton's equipment and supplies all the way up into the mountains of BC. Besides, the pinko commie bastards in BC would find me, and take all my coffee.

Can't stay in Ontario, because the Fascists would force me into working for Tim Hortons to supply the soldiers.

No. Gotta go someplace far, far away and sunny. And bring my Timmie's.
BC is full of pinko commies?:confused:

I was going to say Michigan, since they've got a half-decent hockey team, but I could do Ohio. Can Ohio do me and my government in exile though? I don't know if Ohio is ready for it...

EDIT: Wait a minute... neither is very sunny... but they're probably better to strike back at the Fascist Party in Ontario.
I dunno, it seems pretty damn sunny right now. Sunny and 95 (32 for you metric types).

And trust me, we're Ohio. We've got Ohio State, the largest conglomeration of academic hooligan/drunks in the history of the western world. We can handle your government in exile. And another Tim Hortons wouldn't hurt either.

BC is full of pinko commies?:confused:

Well, if I'm going to entertain the possiblity of Canada splitting up into fascist and communist groups (which is already kinda silly), I'd put the Fascists from Alberta to Ontario, and the Communists in BC and Quebec to the Maritimes.

I dunno, it seems pretty damn sunny right now. Sunny and 95 (32 for you metric types).

And trust me, we're Ohio. We've got Ohio State, the largest conglomeration of academic hooligan/drunks in the history of the western world. We can handle your government in exile. And another Tim Hortons wouldn't hurt either.

I don't know... do I have to cheer for the Bluejackets? ;)

I don't know... do I have to cheer for the Bluejackets? ;)
Nah, but you'll be encouraged to bring hockey players with you, so as to fortify the 'jackets with some Canadian goodness :D

Well, if I'm going to entertain the possiblity of Canada splitting up into fascist and communist groups (which is already kinda silly), I'd put the Fascists from Alberta to Ontario, and the Communists in BC and Quebec to the Maritimes.
BC and Alberta would be on the same team. The two share a bond due to western alienation. However, I do not see either province taking up either idology [sic].

Nah, but you'll be encouraged to bring hockey players with you, so as to fortify the 'jackets with some Canadian goodness :D

I'll see what I can do. But I get the feeling that Don Cherry would be heading the Fascist Party. Might be some stiff competition.

BC and Alberta would be on the same team. The two share a bond due to western alienation. However, I do not see either province taking up either idology [sic].

You're right, I don't think any of the provinces would go to either extreme. But 'hypothetically speaking', if there was to be a conflict of this type in Canada, BC and Alberta tend to have very different political/economic stances. Alberta is definitely conservative/pro-business, while BC comes across as highly liberal, and much more leaning to the left.

You're right, I don't think any of the provinces would go to either extreme. But 'hypothetically speaking', if there was to be a conflict of this type in Canada, BC and Alberta tend to have very different political/economic stances. Alberta is definitely conservative/pro-business, while BC comes across as highly liberal, and much more leaning to the left.
BC's kinda split. The West is quite liberal, and fairly pro-buisness, and the East is spilt over Alberta. In the last election you could see a line go up the province. People left of the line voted NDP, people to the right voted Conservative. Kinda funny when you think of it.

Though, it is very likely key figures of the commies would hail from BC.

Just give it a couple of months and that's gonna' be Mexico. Good thing I came to Canada four years ago ;)

I'd pragmatically join the Fascists. A). I'm a libertarian who doesn't believe in democracy, but rather a republic, and would try to turn the fascist agenda into a more republican (with a small r) agenda, B.) I hate commies and Hugo Chavez, and few things are worse than communism, and C.) The fascists aren't racists, so there wouldn't be a genocide that I'd be supporting. Still, it'd be better not to have the revolution in the first place.

I'd pragmatically join the Fascists. A). I'm a libertarian who doesn't believe in democracy, but rather a republic, and would try to turn the fascist agenda into a more republican (with a small r) agenda, B.) I hate commies and Hugo Chavez, and few things are worse than communism, and C.) The fascists aren't racists, so there wouldn't be a genocide that I'd be supporting. Still, it'd be better not to have the revolution in the first place.
Of course it would be better without a revolution, I'm just trying to gauge how people would react under such a circumstance. Using the criteria I threw in, I'm attempting to make the mind game as accurate to potential reality of such a circumstance as possible.

Noone wants to join me in a libertarian place, huh? Maybe cuz of my nation...

Noone wants to join me in a libertarian place, huh? Maybe cuz of my nation...
One of the primary precepts of the scenario is that the general public has lost faith in democracy and capitalism, for whatever reasons.

I would raise up my rebellion to fight which ever side that won the revolution. We'd pretty much be called "terrorists" or something.

I would raise up my rebellion to fight which ever side that won the revolution. We'd pretty much be called "terrorists" or something.
Terrists

if I had the money and the opportunity to leave a collapsing country i would. if i would support the communists every thing i had would be gone taken by the state, and there would also likely be oppression. but if one supports the fascists thing might come back to order, but there would still be oppression. Still it is likely that one would have most of the worldly items in tact. Frankly i hope i never have to make that decision.

Communists, of course. It would be interesting to see the composition of a left-wing US revolutionary movement, and the results would hopefully be superior.

The Fascists would purge me in a second; the Communists would only do it if they became Stalinist.

The Kansas City Royals, or the Communists? :D

Both. ;)

All the options are bad... but that is the point i guess:(

After several years of hardship, the country in which you currently reside descends into chaos. The government collapses. The faith of the people in democracy is destroyed. Because of blocking tactics on the part of China the UN will not be intervening to restore order. Two rival factions rise up from the ashes. One of them is a quasi-fascist group (note: they are not racist). The other is a communist revolutionary movement funded by Hugo Chavez. Both are violent.

You are faced with the choice between these two groups, fleeing your country (an incredibly risky option because of the chaos), or hunkering down and waiting it out (you know someone will come to your rescue soon enough).

Who do you choose?
Frack a bunch of communists! ;)

I'd be gone so quickly all you'd see is a dust cloud.

Since I view Chavez as a complete moron, I can't side with anyone who'd support him. And let's not mince facts, if he's funding it, he's controlling it. No one tosses money at a revolution just for the heck of it: we don't.

Fascists, however, are more honest about their greed. Thus they are more corruptable. I'd take over, execute my rivals, and rule the country with an iron fist. All you have to do is keep them happy with money, and they'll sell their souls to you.

People are so easy to manipulate.

Join me. Together, we can... partition the lands! Capitalist on one side and my social on the other... or we could hybridize it...

Fascist Communist
:mp5: :sniper:

Libertarians Hunker-downs
:gundge: :(

Fleers
:eek:

Those smiley-option pairs are surprisingly accurate....

Well, first I'd sabatoge facist efforts however I could with a secret underground force (Im with the libertarians) Then, as soon as the commies win...

WOLVERINES!!!

:mp5: :mp5: :mp5: <Me and other libertarian revo's

I would get in a car with a good sound system, and play P.L.U.C.K. very loudly.