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Israel Warplanes Keep Bombing Despite "Cease-Fire"
37 minutes ago

QANA, Lebanon - Israeli warplanes struck the main Lebanese-Syrian border crossing Monday for the third time in as many days, hitting a vehicle, the Israeli military and witnesses said.

The Israeli military said the strike hit a truck importing weapons from Syria at the Masnaa border crossing. It said the strike was in Lebanese territory.

But Lebanese police officials said two missiles struck near a vehicle carrying relief supplies near the Lebanese customs post, wounding four people and a customs officer. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information to the press.

Footage at the crossing on Lebanese television showed an empty car with shattered windows, its hood riddled with holes. Next to it was an ambulance with bedding supplies visible. Two trucks were nearby also carrying mattresses and cardboard boxes. The ambulance and trucks did not appear damaged.

sources \\ MSNBC.com\OcceanNEWS©2006
my2cents: Condomleeza Rice should be proud of the great job she did over there :rolleyes:

The ceasefire was conditioned on the idea that Hezbollah would stop firing rockets.

Hezbollah never stopped firing, so fuck 'em.

The ceasefire was conditioned on the idea that Hezbollah would stop firing rockets.

Hezbollah never stopped firing, so fuck 'em.

And this is according to.....?

And this is according to.....?
Maybe you need to get out more often.

The ceasefire was conditioned on the idea that Hezbollah would stop firing rockets.

Hezbollah never stopped firing, so fuck 'em.
No it wasn't. It was based on the fact that aid could get through.

Hezb'allah didn't take the equal footing of halting their rocket attacks for 48hrs. They weren't obliged to, but they should have.

But yeah, fuck the both of em.

Pretty despicable.

This from the country that excuses its massacres by saying "we don't have a good faith negotiating partner."

Apparently neither do their victims.

Hezbollah never stopped firing..the Israeli artillery never ever stopped.. the Israeli missiles never stopped.. the Warship bombardement never stopped

the "warplanes" :rolleyes: bombing was supposed to stop for 48 hours..

then again the Israel word is totally worthless and.. (since this was promised by Rice) the US credibility(whatever little is left) takes another hit too.

But yeah, fuck the both of em.

Actually, I'm quite inclined to agree with that sentiment.

Sometimes, the only way to get peace, is to get people to get the fighting and killing out of their systems.

Once Hezbollah is destroyed, along with most of Lebanon, the UN can send in blue helmets to oversee the ruins.

Sure, the IDF will take casualties, it will cost Israel money - but considering the number of anti-Israel people who are now and always will be anti-Israel, it doesn't really hurt Israel to do this (except in terms of casualties).

Actually, I'm quite inclined to agree with that sentiment.

Sometimes, the only way to get peace, is to get people to get the fighting and killing out of their systems.

Once Hezbollah is destroyed, along with most of Lebanon, the UN can send in blue helmets to oversee the ruins.

Sure, the IDF will take casualties, it will cost Israel money - but considering the number of anti-Israel people who are now and always will be anti-Israel, it doesn't really hurt Israel to do this (except in terms of casualties).

Would you still believe this if Hezbollah won?

Major maturity points to you Occeandrive.

But yeah, fuck the both of em.I'm quite inclined to agree with that sentiment.

Sometimes, the only way to get peace, is to get people to get the fighting and killing out of their systems.

Once Hezbollah (and Israel Army) is destroyed, along with most of Lebanon(and Israel),the UN can send in blue helmets to oversee the ruins.yeah.. I third that.. Fuck Both of them.

Israel stopped bombing, Hizbulah kept firing katyushas. Seriosly, what
did you expect Israel would do? Just sit there and twidle their thums while
there missles flying in their direction?

yeah.. I third that.. Fuck Both of them.
Bring back the Roman Empire.
;)

Would you still believe this if Hezbollah won?

I don't believe that Hezbollah will win, unless Iran gives them nuclear weapons.

Israel stopped bombing, Hizbulah kept firing katyushas. Seriosly, what
did you expect Israel would do? Just sit there and twidle their thums while
there missles flying in their direction?
Now I'm hearing two different stories. Can we clarify whether or not Israel really did cease fire?

I don't believe that Hezbollah will win, unless Iran gives them nuclear weapons.

Wouldn't that be grand...

I don't believe that Hezbollah will win, unless Iran gives them nuclear weapons.
A "win" for Hezb'allah though, is not getting destroyed. At the moment, them being destroyed is a long way from happening.

Israel has a tougher job on its hands- and such incidents as Qana/Cana and Khiam not to mention to the huge oil slick now along the East Med. after they hit the fuel depot in Beirut, have just made their job next to impossible.

I don't believe that Hezbollah will win, unless Iran gives them nuclear weapons.

Having a nuclear war with your geographic neighbor is like playing strip poker with waitresses from Denny's; If you win, you lose. :p

the Israeli artillery never ever stopped.. the Israeli missiles never stopped.. the Warship bombardement never stopped

the "warplanes" :rolleyes: bombing was supposed to stop for 48 hours..

then again the Israel word is totally worthless and.. (since this was promised by Rice) the US credibility(whatever little is left) takes another hit too.

Actually, it did stop for a while, if you look at the timeline of events.

Of course, you can't be bothered to do that.

And Hezbollah NEVER stopped firing, not at all.

What's Israel supposed to do - stop firing and continue to allow Hezbollah to fire?

Is that your idea of a ceasefire?

Now I'm hearing two different stories. Can we clarify whether or not Israel really did cease fire?LOL
Do you actually trust either the US or Israel Govs ? :rolleyes:

and.. I do not trust Hezbollah/FOX/CNN either..

Cease-Fire?? I believe when I see it

I don't believe that Hezbollah will win, unless Iran gives them nuclear weapons.

Would you be happy for a UN peacekeeping force to go in and look after the ruins of Israel?

Actually, it did stop for a while, I call bullshit.

Would you be happy for a UN peacekeeping force to go in and look after the ruins of Israel?

Well, if there are "the ruins of Israel", then most of the Middle East will be a radioactive ruin.

Sure, if they don't mind the radiation exposure.

LOL
Do you actually trust either the US or Israel Govs.

and.. I do not trust Hezbollah/FOX/CNN either..

Cease-Fire?? I beleive when I see it
So who do you trust then? Bloggers?

I think most who demand that Israel cease fire are really only saying "stop killing civilians." I have no idea why their campaign has become so messy with civilian and UN personnel and buildings being hit. If the campaign was only killing Hezbollah we'd see a lot fewer calls for immediate cease fire. It's just like those Americans who are only recently changing their minds about the Iraq war - seems to me they're only backing out because we happen to be taking casualties, not because the war was a mistake in the first place. What if we had applied that logic in WWII?

Well, if there are "the ruins of Israel", then most of the Middle East will be a radioactive ruin.

Sure, if they don't mind the radiation exposure.

You understand where I was going with this and refuse to give a straight answer.

I call hypocracy, you are happy for one group of civilians to be killed but not another.

So who do you trust then? Bloggers?

Only if they live there. I don't trust bloggers living 8,000 miles away from the action, no.

So who do you trust then? Bloggers?I swear.. my last post was chrystal clear..
.

My last post means (as far as an Israel-Pal Ceasefire is concerned):
I trust my eyes.

there is other sources I would consider.. but none of them include the US or Israel Gov..

What if we had applied that logic in WWII?

If every Allied nation had quit the moment they took severe casualties, or because they accidentally killed some civilians, Hitler would have ruled the world.

Period.

Some nations, like the former Soviet Union, took more casualties in a single battle than the US took in invasion of Normandy. Huge, massive casualty counts. Germans retreating ONLY because they ran out of ammunition to shoot Russians with. Cities burnt to the ground with over 100,000 civilian dead.

But, with today's thinking, we would have just signed over everything to Hitler - because most leaders today are just clones of Chamberlain.

Surrender, even if they want to kill us, even if they want to destroy us, because that's better than killing a few civilians by accident because the enemy uses them as human shields.

I swear.. my last post was chrystal clear..
.

My last post means (as far as an Israel-Pal Ceasefire is concerned):
I trust my eyes.

there is other sources I would consider.. but none of them include the US or Israel Gov..
Well in that case, do we have anyone here who was in Israel or Lebanon who saw the IDF cease fire or not with their own eyes?

I swear.. my last post was chrystal clear..
.

My last post means (as far as an Israel-Pal Ceasefire is concerned):
I trust my eyes.

there is other sources I would consider.. but none of them include the US or Israel Gov..

Probably you would trust al-Jazeera, who trusted the Iraqi Information Minister... this I tell you...

Kana has not even been confirmed yet people. We should probably refrain from placing the blame on Israel until the facts are straightened out. It seems that there was a seven hour time gap between when the building in Kana was hit by a missile (b/w 12-1 AM), and when it actually collapsed(8AM).

JPost: http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153292036218&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Haaretz: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/744426.html

JPost:

While the entire Israeli political echelon expressed regret for the results of the strike, Air Force Chief of Staff Brig.-Gen. Amir Eshel said Sunday night that the three-story building had been struck by the missiles a little after midnight and that it only collapsed seven hours later, at close to 7 a.m.

Eshel refrained from specifying what had caused the structure to collapse seven hours after it was hit, but senior IAF officers said Sunday night that the explosion could have been caused by an unexploded missile or by a Hizbullah-planted explosive device.

"It could be that there was something in the building that caused the explosion," Eshel said.

Eshel said that close to 150 Katyusha rockets had been fired from the Lebanese village over the past 20 days. Hizbullah had hidden rocket launchers, Eshel said, in civilian buildings in the village. Video footage he presented at a press conference in Tel Aviv Sunday night showed rocket launchers being driven into the village following attacks on northern Israel.

ha, they thought that Israel would just give up?

Probably you would trust al-Jazeera, who trusted the Iraqi Information Minister... this I tell you...You mean the new Red Wings PR Czar? ^^

ha, they thought that Israel would just (keep their word)?ha, indeed :D

The ceasefire was conditioned on the idea that Hezbollah would stop firing rockets.

Hezbollah never stopped firing, so fuck 'em.

It was never a "Cease Fire" israel just said they would stop bombing towns. That's it, they'll still send Commando raids into Lebanon.
The terms of the Airstrike halt is that they won't be targeting Civilian Towns or fleeing Civilian refugees even if rockets are being fired from there. If you're driving across the Syrian border, You don't fall under the former.

(Basicly if you're going into Lebanon from Syria, they're going to blow you to heck.)

Wouldn't that be grand...
*Cough*, Samson Option=Middle East Glass=No Oil for anyone *Cough*

It was never a "Cease Fire" israel just said they would stop bombing towns. That's it, they'll still send Commando raids into Lebanon and they'll
Interesting..

what I understood from intermitent TV coverage.. is that is was a AirForce 48 hour ceasefire..

in another words.. Both Airforces would stop all activity.. and their Naval or Ground forces would keep killing. (Yes I do know Hezbollah do not have an Airforce :rolleyes: )

Israel stopped bombing, Hizbulah kept firing katyushas. Seriosly, what
did you expect Israel would do? Just sit there and twidle their thums while
there missles flying in their direction?

I agree with this statement.

So who do you trust then? Bloggers?

I think most who demand that Israel cease fire are really only saying "stop killing civilians." I have no idea why their campaign has become so messy with civilian and UN personnel and buildings being hit.

That is actually easy to answer. Hezollah hides among civilians and fires near civilian structures and their stuff inside civilian buildings. Israel is targeting the launch sites (civilian casualties there) and where they are hiding the stuff (more casualties there).

If the campaign was only killing Hezbollah we'd see a lot fewer calls for immediate cease fire. It's just like those Americans who are only recently changing their minds about the Iraq war - seems to me they're only backing out because we happen to be taking casualties, not because the war was a mistake in the first place. What if we had applied that logic in WWII?

Then the axis powers would have won.

Israel Warplanes Keep Bombing Despite "Cease-Fire"
37 minutes ago

QANA, Lebanon - Israeli warplanes struck the main Lebanese-Syrian border crossing Monday for the third time in as many days, hitting a vehicle, the Israeli military and witnesses said.

The Israeli military said the strike hit a truck importing weapons from Syria at the Masnaa border crossing. It said the strike was in Lebanese territory.

But Lebanese police officials said two missiles struck near a vehicle carrying relief supplies near the Lebanese customs post, wounding four people and a customs officer. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information to the press.

Footage at the crossing on Lebanese television showed an empty car with shattered windows, its hood riddled with holes. Next to it was an ambulance with bedding supplies visible. Two trucks were nearby also carrying mattresses and cardboard boxes. The ambulance and trucks did not appear damaged.

sources \\ MSNBC.com\OcceanNEWS©2006
my2cents: Condomleeza Rice should be proud of the great job she did over there :rolleyes:

Israel, don't apologize and don't stop until you've dealt the "Party of Allah" the crushing, humiliating and irreversible defeat they so richly deserve.

There's no substitute for victory!

There's no substitute for victory!:rolleyes: of course there is..

you can always make a movie and have a "Hollywood Victory".

:rolleyes: of course there is..

you can always make a movie and have a "Hollywood Victory".

Occeandrive is Really Bhagdad Bob ... I'm happy to see you made it out OK BOB...sure do miss your funny claims ! hope your well .

:rolleyes: of course there is..

you can always make a movie and have a "Hollywood Victory".

When Hezbollah is out of missiles.

When they have hundreds of thousands of wounded fighters.

When their families are living in ruins (if they are alive).

When their bases are utterly in ruins.

When their crops are dead, water wells destroyed, roads torn up, and powerlines damaged beyond repair.

When Hezbollah is left only with dead and wounded, in a landscape that has only vestiges of civilization.

When an international force is then in place to prevent Hezbollah from rearming throug Iran and Syria.

That's when Israel should call a ceasefire.

Israel Warplanes Keep Bombing Despite "Cease-Fire"
37 minutes ago

QANA, Lebanon - Israeli warplanes struck the main Lebanese-Syrian border crossing Monday for the third time in as many days, hitting a vehicle, the Israeli military and witnesses said.



From the AP article in the newspaper I have in front of me.

"Israel agreed to halt air attacks on south Lebanon for 48 hours".

The Lebanese/Syrian border is in the east, and the north.

The agreement was for the SOUTH.

Occeandrive is Really Bhagdad Bob ...Only if the Red Wings can pay 30 Million US Dollars per "presentation"..

:D :D :p :D

Interesting..

what I understood from intermitent TV coverage.. is that is was a AirForce 48 hour ceasefire..

in another words.. Both Airforces would stop all activity.. and their Naval or Ground forces would keep killing. (Yes I do know Hezbollah do not have an Airforce :rolleyes: )
There was no cease-fire. The TV coverage got it wrong. Israel only stopped conducting bombing missions in the south to allow people to flee. THat is the sole purpose of the stopping of those operations. Every other operation goes on.

From the AP article in the newspaper I have in front of me.

"Israel agreed to halt air attacks on south Lebanon for 48 hours".

The Lebanese/Syrian border is in the east, and the north.

The agreement was for the SOUTH.LOL..

Israel to Rice: I agree not to kick them in the testicles..

but beware.. I can still kick them in the eyes/nose/ears/etc
also.. I said nothing about not using my hands..

No Wonder the Lebanon President -told CondomLeeza Rice- to shove-it up her ass and go home.

Yay! another oceandrive thread!

*gets a bucket of popcorn*

LOL..

Israel to Rice: I agree not to kick them in the testicles..

but beware.. I can still kick them in the eyes/nose/ears/etc
also.. I said nothing about not using my hands..

No Wonder the Lebanon President -told CondomLeeza Rice- to shove-it up her ass and go home.

or should i say another ocean drive poo-throwing festival?

Yay! another oceandrive thread!

*gets a bucket of popcorn*
or should i say another ocean drive poo-throwing festival?what ever you do.. keep an eye on your popcorn..

it smells funny :D

next time bring a cover-top for your bucket.. or something ;)

or should i say another ocean drive poo-throwing festival?
Does anyone take his threads seriously anymore? After all, every single thread he makes is based on misinterpreting facts or flat out lies.

Bullshit killer .

QANA, Lebanon - Israeli warplanes carried out strikes in southern Lebanon on Monday, hours after agreeing to temporarily halt air raids while investigating a bombing that killed at least 56 Lebanese civilians, mostly women and children seeking shelter. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said there will be no cease-fire, adding that "srael is continuing to fight."

[…]But Israel left open the option of striking targets to stop imminent attacks or if the military completed its inquiry. After Hezbollah guerrillas hit an Israeli tank near the village of Taibeh with an anti-tank missile, Israel said, the army carried out the airstrikes to protect ground troops.

AP Television News footage showed two Israeli tanks side by side in southern Lebanon, with flames suddenly covering one of them. Soldiers emerged from one tank and did not appear to be badly hurt.

[…]Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz said Israel plans to "expand and strengthen" its attack on Hezbollah, diminishing hopes that the 48-hour airstrike halt could become a longer cease-fire.

[…]In Washington, President Bush stuck to his position that any cease-fire be accompanied by a wider agreement addressing the root causes of the fighting, such as Hezbollah's control of southern Lebanon, and Iran and yria's influence in Lebanon.



http://www.floppingaces.net/

When Hezbollah is out of missiles.

When they have hundreds of thousands of wounded fighters.

When their families are living in ruins (if they are alive).

When their bases are utterly in ruins.

When their crops are dead, water wells destroyed, roads torn up, and powerlines damaged beyond repair.

When Hezbollah is left only with dead and wounded, in a landscape that has only vestiges of civilization.

When an international force is then in place to prevent Hezbollah from rearming throug Iran and Syria.

That's when Israel should call a ceasefire.

Sooo....Israel should call a cease-fire only after Lebanon has basically been completely destroyed? Is that what you are saying?

That Israel should stop only when they have reduced an entire country to rubble, and its people reduced to inhumanly low living standards?

Yeah....I agree. But I hope that in the process Israel is completely fucking destroyed.

Sooo....Israel should call a cease-fire only after Lebanon has basically been completely destroyed? Is that what you are saying?

That Israel should stop only when they have reduced an entire country to rubble, and its people reduced to inhumanly low living standards?

Yeah....I agree. But I hope that in the process Israel is completely fucking destroyed.

That last part is unlikely, unless Iran has nuclear weapons.

If Israel destroys Hezbollah now, and most of southern Lebanon and part of Syria with it, it will have been worth it.

That last part is unlikely, unless Iran has nuclear weapons.

If Israel destroys Hezbollah now, and most of southern Lebanon and part of Syria with it, it will have been worth it.


Yeah, I know that Israel's destruction is unlikely, but hey, a guy can hope, right?

And you know, the idea of wiping out one group like Hezbollah at what may well be a cost of tens or hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths...seems stupid to me. Because by doing that, you just make all of the families and friends of thos that you killed incredibly angry and resentful of Israel, and many of them will want to strike back at Israel in any way they can, such as by (and this is important) joining groups like Hezbollah. Which leads to having to bomb the fuck out of moe people. Which leads to more people joining terrorist groups. It doesn't end until you have eradicated almost everyone.

Go for it.

Yay destruction. Whoo.

That last part is unlikely...but would you be upset if it happens?
would you be pissed?
would you cry?

The Israeli military said the strike hit a truck importing weapons from Syria at the Masnaa border crossing. It said the strike was in Lebanese territory.

But Lebanese police officials said two missiles struck near a vehicle carrying relief supplies near the Lebanese customs post, wounding four people and a customs officer. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information to the press.

"...IT WAS RELIEF SUPPLIES FOR THE TERRORISTS!!!" :p

Interesting, the page at MSNBC has been replaced..

but here is more and more

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Israeli+continue+despite

Lebanese soldier killed by Israeli naval fire
Mon Jul 31, 9:03 AM ET

TYRE, Lebanon (AFP) - A Lebanese soldier was killed and three wounded by Israeli naval fire north of the port city of Tyre, police have said, while Israeli war planes went into action despite a pledge to halt air raids temporarily.

The strike hit a military position close to Qassimiyeh bridge on the main coastal highway and came after
Israel announced it was suspending air attacks on south Lebanon for 48 hours.

Israel expressed "regret" over the death, saying the strike had targeted "a car that was supposed to be carrying Hezbollah members."
__________________________________________________

my2cents: How can Israel tell if the people inside a car in Lebanon are Hezbollahs and not Lebanese Army???
I mean.. Israel says Hezbollah are always in Civilean clothes..
so if the men are in uniforms.. they gotta be military (not Hezbollah).. rigth?
.

If every Allied nation had quit the moment they took severe casualties, or because they accidentally killed some civilians, Hitler would have ruled the world.

.

Godwin.

Interesting, the page at MSNBC has been replaced..

but here is more and more

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Israeli+continue+despite

Lebanese soldier killed by Israeli naval fire
Mon Jul 31, 9:03 AM ET

TYRE, Lebanon (AFP) - A Lebanese soldier was killed and three wounded by Israeli naval fire north of the port city of Tyre, police have said, while Israeli war planes went into action despite a pledge to halt air raids temporarily.

The strike hit a military position close to Qassimiyeh bridge on the main coastal highway and came after
Israel announced it was suspending air attacks on south Lebanon for 48 hours.

Israel expressed "regret" over the death, saying the strike had targeted "a car that was supposed to be carrying Hezbollah members."
__________________________________________________

my2cents: How can Israel tell if the people inside a car in Lebanon are Hezbollahs and not Lebanese Army???
I mean.. Israel says Hezbollah are always in Civilean clothes..
so if the men are in uniforms.. they gotta be military (not Hezbollah).. rigth?
.


I believe people have been over this:

QANA, Lebanon - Israeli warplanes carried out strikes in southern Lebanon on Monday, hours after agreeing to temporarily halt air raids while investigating a bombing that killed at least 56 Lebanese civilians, mostly women and children seeking shelter. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert said there will be no cease-fire, adding that "srael is continuing to fight."

[…]But Israel left open the option of striking targets to stop imminent attacks or if the military completed its inquiry. After Hezbollah guerrillas hit an Israeli tank near the village of Taibeh with an anti-tank missile, Israel said, the army carried out the airstrikes to protect ground troops.

AP Television News footage showed two Israeli tanks side by side in southern Lebanon, with flames suddenly covering one of them. Soldiers emerged from one tank and did not appear to be badly hurt.

[…]Israeli Defense Minister Amir Peretz said Israel plans to "expand and strengthen" its attack on Hezbollah, diminishing hopes that the 48-hour airstrike halt could become a longer cease-fire.

[…]In Washington, President Bush stuck to his position that any cease-fire be accompanied by a wider agreement addressing the root causes of the fighting, such as Hezbollah's control of southern Lebanon, and Iran and yria's influence in Lebanon.

Israel stopped bombing, Hizbulah kept firing katyushas. Seriosly, what
did you expect Israel would do? Just sit there and twidle their thums while
there missles flying in their direction?
Why not?
Bomb Lebanon or don't bomb Lebanon, they neither stop the launching of the rockets or the rockets themselves - they can't.

Godwin.

Godwin only works when Hitler/nazis were an inappropriate discussion for the topic.

A topic on WWII can't be godwined by a mention of hitler as hitler is part of the discussion.

Stating that had we adopted tactics that would gaurentee no civilian deaths in other wars that those wars would have ended dramatically different is an acceptable point to make when one is discussin civilian death in a war.

Claim to Godwin rejected.

The one feckin time I go for it too.....

Godwin.
You can't claim Godwin there. The only acceptable case would be calling someone who has no such ties to Nazism a Nazi. What he said was 100% correct. If we had a world led by Chamberlains, Hitler would've won. I know that Godwin is the only thing you can post since you have nothing to back up any of your actualy arguments.

Godwin only works when Hitler/nazis were an inappropriate discussion for the topic..the topic is NOT Hitler
The topic is not WWII.

You can't claim Godwin there. The only acceptable case would be calling someone who has no such ties to Nazism a Nazi. What he said was 100% correct. If we had a world led by Chamberlains, Hitler would've won. I know that Godwin is the only thing you can post since you have nothing to back up any of your actualy arguments.

Really....I seem to remember it the other way round. Here -

How many times have I asked you want percentage of the land (or what amount in acres/Dunums) was under Jewish ownership in 1946/47 and exactly how many times have you come back with an answer?

What he said was 100% ...out of topic.

Hitler has nothing to do with broken Cease-Fire.

You cant say the it is Hitler fault if the (so called) Cease-Fire was broken.. can you?

out of topic.

Hitler has nothing to do with broken Cease-Fire.

You cant say the it is Hitler fault if the (so called) Cease-Fire was broken.. can you?
IT was 100% on topic. He was saying to appease would be to pull a Chamberlain. WTF do you mean that "you can't say it was Hitler's fault?" No one even said that in the first place. Please go to your eye doctor. Lookin gat a computer screen seems to have hurt your vision.

He didn't say anything was Hitler's fault. He wasn't even making a comparison to Hitler. He was making one to CHAMBERLAIN.

Occean Drive, every thread you have made on this topic has proven time and time again that you know NOTHING about this topic in any way shape or form. For the sake of not making yourself look like an idiot, I recommend you stop making threads like this.

Really....I seem to remember it the other way round. Here -

How many times have I asked you want percentage of the land (or what amount in acres/Dunums) was under Jewish ownership in 1946/47 and exactly how many times have you come back with an answer?
I wouldn't have that answer, but the fac tis the Palestinians already have a state. It is named Jordan and consists of 80% of the Palestinian mandate.

I wouldn't have that answer, but the fac tis the Palestinians already have a state. It is named Jordan and consists of 80% of the Palestinian mandate.
Let's not overlook the fact that Hezbollah is not the Palestinians.

Hezbollah is a Shiite proxy force recruited, led, trained, paid for, organized, and supplied by Iran and Syria.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Let's not overlook the fact that Hezbollah is not the Palestinians.

Hezbollah is a Shiite proxy force recruited, led, trained, paid for, organized, and supplied by Iran and Syria.

Nothing more, nothing less.I know. Nodinia was posing a question about the Palestinians and the land allocations in the 47 partition. I told him 80% had been allocated to the Palestinians in the early 20s.

Condomleeza? Well, isn't that some hilarious shit.

Condomleeza? Well, isn't that some hilarious shit.
One could posit that it's positively flamalicious flamebait.

Does anyone take his threads seriously anymore? After all, every single thread he makes is based on misinterpreting facts or flat out lies.

We can't insult Hezbollah, Al-quada, the Iraq groups, North Korea, Iran, or Hamas because they can't hear us.:sniper: So we use OceanDrive:D as a stand in since he seems to share their values:rolleyes: .

Condomleeza? Well, isn't that some hilarious shit.
Shouldn't that comment be in TEAL?

Israel Warplanes Keep Bombing Despite "Cease-Fire"
37 minutes ago

QANA, Lebanon - Israeli warplanes struck the main Lebanese-Syrian border crossing Monday for the third time in as many days, hitting a vehicle, the Israeli military and witnesses said.

The Israeli military said the strike hit a truck importing weapons from Syria at the Masnaa border crossing. It said the strike was in Lebanese territory.

But Lebanese police officials said two missiles struck near a vehicle carrying relief supplies near the Lebanese customs post, wounding four people and a customs officer. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release information to the press.

Footage at the crossing on Lebanese television showed an empty car with shattered windows, its hood riddled with holes. Next to it was an ambulance with bedding supplies visible. Two trucks were nearby also carrying mattresses and cardboard boxes. The ambulance and trucks did not appear damaged.

sources \\ MSNBC.com\OcceanNEWS©2006
my2cents: Condomleeza Rice should be proud of the great job she did over there :rolleyes:
You do realize that your own quote defies the idea that the truck was carrying relief supplies. Otherwise why wouldn't they have shown this. Instead they show a car with shattered windows and a hood riddled with holes, reminiscent of bullet fire or hezbollahs own rockets anyone?

We can't insult Hezbollah, Al-quada, the Iraq groups, North Korea, Iran, or Hamas because they can't hear us. So we use OceanDrive as a stand in since he seems to share their values.
Don't forget a starry-eyed US-hating view of Chavez.

Shouldn't that comment be in TEAL?

Quoi?

Don't forget a starry-eyed US-hating view of Chavez.
THat leads to my next question, is Occeandrive Baghdad Bob?

One could posit that it's positively flamalicious flamebait.

It isn't flamebait. It's a failed attempt at humour through the most obvious permutation of her name. So obvious, in fact, people make that mistake sometimes when they try to pronounce her name.

Quoi?
check my sig for an answer. I use teal to denote sarcasm. It's a great practice on other message boards I use.

Quoi?
check my sig for an answer. I use teal to denote sarcasm. It's a great practice on other message boards I use.

out of topic.

Hitler has nothing to do with broken Cease-Fire.

You cant say the it is Hitler fault if the (so called) Cease-Fire was broken.. can you?

What cease fire twit ? Israel said they would cease bombings to allow humanitarian movement and supplies but would not stop bombing in support of troop actions or if they were attacked .. YOU determined that was a " CEASE FIRE " something that ONLY two sides can aggree on .

check my sig for an answer.

I have sigs turned off for a reason. That reason is, unsurprisingly, that I don't want to "check" them.

I use teal to denote sarcasm. It's a great practice on other message boards I use.

Strikes me as a crutch for those who aren't good at sarcasm.

Don't forget a starry-eyed US-hating view of Chavez.
Don't knock Chavez. I think he's silly. Unlike the Iran or Korean President who make themselves look scary with their actions, Chavez just makes himself seem silly.

But Oceandrive seems like Bagdad Bob.

but maybe's Osama while he's taking a trip on one of Afghanstain's chief Exports? (Heroin)

Israel Halts all Offensive Airstrikes for 48 hours to allow evacuations

OD....(I wish he /she would OD on knowlage)...interprets this to mean a " cease fire " OD are you SURE you are not really Bahgdad Bob ?

You do realize that your own quote defies the idea that the truck was carrying relief supplies. Otherwise why wouldn't they have shown this. Instead they show a car with shattered windows and a hood riddled with holes, reminiscent of bullet fire or hezbollahs own rockets anyone?you may have a point.. I cant answer as I was not there.. and I do not 100% trust the War "reporters".. from either side..

Until we get more sources/witnesses.. I can only rely on my logic.

What cease fire twit ? Israel said they would cease bombings to allow humanitarian movement and supplies but would not stop bombing in support of troop actions or if they were attacked .. YOU determined that was a " CEASE FIRE " something that ONLY two sides can aggree on .#1 do not call me twit unless you are 100% sure you have strong arguments to hold on.. (as I do)

#2 There is no Cease fire, that is why I wrote "(so called) Cease Fire".

#3 If you read my Post history.. you will see that.. My point all allong is that there is no ceasefire.a " CEASE FIRE " something that ONLY two sides can aggree on .I hope all the pro-Isreal people holding their breath.. to see if Hezbollah stop launching missiles understand all that.

you may have a point.. I cant answer as I was not there.. and I do not 100% trust the War "reporters".. from either side..

Until we get more sources/witnesses.. I can only rely on my logic.
Then you don't have a leg to stand on.

Then you don't have a leg to stand on.I am standing firm and strong...

and I have yet to see about you.
epsilon, What is your take on the (so called) Cease-fire??

I am standing firm and strong...

and I have yet to see about you.
epsilon, What is your take on the (so called) Cease-fire??
Israel never said there was a ceasefire. You don't have a leg to stande on here. The MEDIA said it was a ceasefire. They said something Israel iddn't. It was in fact only a cessation of air operations with the excepsion of CAS missions for ground troops. Israel said it was that and nothing different.

Having trouble with reading comprehension on the press release?

I am standing firm and strong...

and I have yet to see about you.
epsilon, What is your take on the (so called) Cease-fire??

I will give you my take. A cease-fire is between two people. What Israel promised was to cease their aerial bombing of targets in Lebanon but not when it comes to supporting their troops on the ground.

I will give you my take. A cease-fire is between two people. What Israel promised was to cease their aerial bombing of targets in Lebanon but not when it comes to supporting their troops on the ground.
And we all know Israel believes a good offense is a good defense and "support" best consists of proactive actions.

What Israel promised was to cease their aerial bombing of targets in Lebanon.they sayd they will not Air-bomb.. for 48 hours.. But did not take them long to brake their word.

I am standing firm and strong...

and I have yet to see about you.
epsilon, What is your take on the (so called) Cease-fire??
What cease fire?

What cease fire?dodgecity.
yes we know it is not a Cease-fire, just get on with the programm and answer the question.

LOL..

Israel to Rice: I agree not to kick them in the testicles..

but beware.. I can still kick them in the eyes/nose/ears/etc
also.. I said nothing about not using my hands..

No Wonder the Lebanon President -told CondomLeeza Rice- to shove-it up her ass and go home.

lets take the exivelent of boxing. i agree not to elbow, kickheadbut, and ect...
whats the big problem

lets take the exivelent of boxing. i agree not to elbow, kickheadbut, and ect...
whats the big problemI dont know.. What is your problem? :confused:

Interesting, the page at MSNBC has been replaced..

but here is more and more

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?p=Israeli+continue+despite

Lebanese soldier killed by Israeli naval fire
Mon Jul 31, 9:03 AM ET

TYRE, Lebanon (AFP) - A Lebanese soldier was killed and three wounded by Israeli naval fire north of the port city of Tyre, police have said, while Israeli war planes went into action despite a pledge to halt air raids temporarily.

The strike hit a military position close to Qassimiyeh bridge on the main coastal highway and came after
Israel announced it was suspending air attacks on south Lebanon for 48 hours.

Israel expressed "regret" over the death, saying the strike had targeted "a car that was supposed to be carrying Hezbollah members."
__________________________________________________

my2cents: How can Israel tell if the people inside a car in Lebanon are Hezbollahs and not Lebanese Army???
I mean.. Israel says Hezbollah are always in Civilean clothes..
so if the men are in uniforms.. they gotta be military (not Hezbollah).. rigth?
.


what happens if hezzbolah is part of the lebenese army

what happens if hezzbolah is part of the lebenese armyI am not sure I fully understand your scenario..
do elaborate.

they sayd they will not Air-bomb.. for 48 hours.. But did not take them long to brake their word.

They promised not to bomb targets unless they are supporting their troops.

They promised not to bomb targets unless they are supporting their troops.you are aware they just bombed the Syria-Lebanon road rigth?

or are you pretending Israel had ground troops there :rolleyes:

Straight from CNN: Israel reserved the right to take action against targets preparing attacks against it during the 48-hour period, the official said.

So what now OcceanDrive?

So what now OcceanDrive?what about what?

I dont know.. What is your problem? :confused:
if to your stament (it goes something like this) israel to rice: we agree not to kick in the dick. apply this logic to wrestling for example i agree not to kick the other wrestler in the balls. i am allowed to tackle him though

Are we honestly acting like a topic where the OP has to play third-grade word games like "Condomleeza" to bolster the point deserves even the remotest consideration?

oh jesus christ, she didnt go there for a cease fire. you liberals know that because you had a huge fit about it. she never promised a cease fire. god, you wonder why nobody takes you seriously, you change your views ever 2 minutes just so you can disagree with the administration. give it up.

if to your stament (it goes something like this) israel to rice: we agree not to kick in the dick. apply this logic to wrestling for example i agree not to kick the other wrestler in the balls. i am allowed to tackle him though...
In any event (still with the wrestling example) Israel agreed not to kick in the genitals.. and kicked anyways.. (Israel Warplanes are still bombing)

here.. maybe this will help you:

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=israel+despite

oh jesus christ, she didnt go there for a cease fire. you liberals know that because you had a huge fit about it. she never promised a cease fire. god, you wonder why nobody takes you seriously, you change your views ever 2 minutes just so you can disagree with the administration. give it up.

But he did have that witty condomleeza argument. How can you beat that kind of logic?

they sayd they will not Air-bomb.. for 48 hours.. But did not take them long to brake their word.
No, they said they wouldn't do the airstrikes in southern Lebanon. Bombing other regions and in support of troops was not covered by the Israeli cessation of the airial campaign.

...
In any event (still with the wrestling example) Israel agreed not to kick in the genitals.. and kicked anyways.. (Israel Warplanes are still bombing)

here.. maybe this will help you:

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=israel+despite
Why don't you read my multiple posts on what the "cease fire" really covered. Israel has followed it's word on that part. With the exception of CAS, the only bombing of bridges was in the north of Lebanon, not the south.

dodgecity.
yes we know it is not a Cease-fire, just get on with the programm and answer the question.
Not a dodge. There was no cease fire. So Isreal didn't "break" what didn't exist.

They said they would stop air strikes agaisnt southern Lebanon. Has that not happened?

After a full day it remains clear that Occeandrive displayed the maturity of a thirteen year old when naming this thread.

Beyond that...I must also draw the conclusion that the ## in front of every thread OD starts is really, really strange. Why the hell do you do that OD?

Why don't you read my multiple posts on what...hmm.. searching you post history is not my favorite past time..

but If shall find the time to do it.. I hope your post are "clean"..

They said they would stop air strikes agaisnt southern Lebanon.Israel has said so many things.. has added so many clauses and exeptions.. Its like small print on a life insurance contract..

Having a nuclear war with your geographic neighbor is like playing strip poker with waitresses from Denny's; If you win, you lose. :p

Do they look that bad?

Yeah....I agree. But I hope that in the process Israel is completely fucking destroyed.

This is Deep Kimchi we're talking about. The same guy who called for a virus to sterilize all Muslims and claims his co-workers agree with him. Frankly, I think he's the new face of the KKK.

There was no cease fire.
yes Epsilon.. we know that :rolleyes:
So Isreal didn't "break" what didn't exist.
I dont know if you have noticed but..this is all about the 48-hour "pause" or whatever you want to call it... I am starting to be worried about you.

you need like viagra for the brain or something.. ;)

Beyond that...I must also draw the conclusion that the ## in front of every thread OD starts is really, really strange. Why the hell do you do that OD?I have my reasons.. But I just cant wait for you to start your very own far-fetched speculations...

Go ahead make my day.
*pulls the popcorn.. anticipation fills the space* :D

I have my reasons.. But I cant wait for you to start some far-fetched speculations...

Go ahead make my day.
*pulls the popcorn.. * :D
To make it easy for you to search for your own threads, by making it so that if you want to see what you've authored you can out ## followed by a wildcard. I dunno.

To make it easy for you to search for your own threads, by making it so that if you want to see what you've authored you can out ## followed by a wildcard.aww..
you are no fun.

but you do have good memory.. congrats.

aww..
you are no fun.

but you do have good memory.. congrats.
Logic actually. I cannot recall having ever come across that bit of knowledge before. Creative, I must admit.

On a more serious note, I'd have to say it's to keep the aliens from reading your threads. You don't want them to know that you know the truth...about...PEANUT BUTTER!!!!!!!

Logic actually. I cannot recall having ever come across that bit of knowledge before. Creative, I must admit.
On a more serious note, I'd have to say it's to keep the aliens from reading your threads. You don't want them to know that you know the truth...about...PEANUT BUTTER!!!!!!!hahaha..

Now you are talking.. :p

hahaha..

Now you are talking.. :pthanks Andaluciae.. I needed that.

Now I can go to sleep on a positive note.. with-a-smile

Later all.

yes Epsilon.. we know that :rolleyes:
I dont know if you have noticed but..this is all about the 48-hour "pause" or whatever you want to call it... I am starting to be worried about you.

you need like viagra for the brain or something.. ;)
This is about a 48 hour pause in air attacks on southern Lebanon.

You point to attacks in northern Lebanon and say that Isreal is breaking their "48 hour pause".......

What's your beef here? Or are you just stiring up crap?

Yeah, I know that Israel's destruction is unlikely, but hey, a guy can hope, right?

And you know, the idea of wiping out one group like Hezbollah at what may well be a cost of tens or hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths...seems stupid to me. Because by doing that, you just make all of the families and friends of thos that you killed incredibly angry and resentful of Israel, and many of them will want to strike back at Israel in any way they can, such as by (and this is important) joining groups like Hezbollah. Which leads to having to bomb the fuck out of moe people. Which leads to more people joining terrorist groups. It doesn't end until you have eradicated almost everyone.

Go for it.

Yay destruction. Whoo.
So they should just sit back on their fucking ass while terrorist group one (Hezbollah) kills everyone? All just because a few idiots feel that fighting the terrorists, may create more "some day"..... maybe!


Don't fight back, just sit there and be murdered!

Yup, sounds like another "winning" (pacifist :| ) strategy from the neo-left and postmodernists... :rolleyes:

So they should just sit back on their fucking ass while terrorist group one (Hezbollah) kills everyone? All just because a few idiots feel that fighting the terrorists, may create more "some day"..... maybe!

Now you see, in reality, most people DO have alternative suggestions, suggestions that have precedents that worked. I suspect however, that you're average hawk has a condition called waritis, where they can only understand the concept of bashing in their neighbors skull. Anything else is like the radiation in the higher spectrum of light, i.e. infrared. It simply flies past their ability to recognize. I hypothesize this to be because of either a cancerous growth in their heads that affects the logic functions, or just plain favoritism of blood drinking.


Don't fight back, just sit there and be murdered!

Only in your imagination really.


Yup, sounds like another "winning" (pacifist :| ) strategy from the neo-left and postmodernists... :rolleyes:

As opposed to a "winning" strategy of bombing everything and everyone hmmm? Sounds like the strategy of a neo-cons and dictators.

I wouldn't have that answer, but the fac tis the Palestinians already have a state. It is named Jordan and consists of 80% of the Palestinian mandate.

So you've no answer. You've been remarkably sure they bought 'most' of the land quite legally, but when I ask you for a figure, you've no answer. Thats not much of an argument
And what were you accusing me of earlier?


I know. Nodinia was posing a question about the Palestinians and the land allocations in the 47 partition. I told him 80% had been allocated to the Palestinians in the early 20s..

No, thats not what I asked at all. Please don't distort what I've said or asked.

Yeah, I know that Israel's destruction is unlikely, but hey, a guy can hope, right?

And you know, the idea of wiping out one group like Hezbollah at what may well be a cost of tens or hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths...seems stupid to me. Because by doing that, you just make all of the families and friends of thos that you killed incredibly angry and resentful of Israel, and many of them will want to strike back at Israel in any way they can, such as by (and this is important) joining groups like Hezbollah. Which leads to having to bomb the fuck out of more people. Which leads to more people joining terrorist groups. It doesn't end until you have eradicated almost everyone.

Go for it.

Yay destruction. Whoo.

This should be obvious to all. Unfortunately, it's not, and we have foreign policy based on "but they started it!"

Whoo. Irony noted.
If every Allied nation had quit the moment they took severe casualties, or because they accidentally killed some civilians, Hitler would have ruled the world.
Godwin.

Godwin doesn't apply. It's the Middle East :p


I am standing firm and strong...

and I have yet to see about you.
epsilon, What is your take on the (so called) Cease-fire??Israel never said there was a ceasefire. You don't have a leg to stande on here. The MEDIA said it was a ceasefire. They said something Israel iddn't. It was in fact only a cessation of air operations with the excepsion of CAS missions for ground troops. Israel said it was that and nothing different.

Having trouble with reading comprehension on the press release?
When Rice went there, there was wide expectation of a ceasefire. In fact, there was a commitment to make fewer airstrikes to allow civilians to evacuate, as you say.
Indeed, the media jumped on the very limited concessions made by Israel, claiming it was this 'ceasefire' they'd been expecting. Within hours, they stopped saying that, as airstrikes continued and Israel mobilized more ground troops.

This is the end for Condy. Bush won't sack her, she's too valuable for that. She'll quit. $10 anyone?

what happens if hezzbolah is part of the lebenese army

Hm. It'd be surprising if some of them weren't. So they should just sit back on their fucking ass while terrorist group one (Hezbollah) kills everyone? All just because a few idiots feel that fighting the terrorists, may create more "some day"..... maybe!


Don't fight back, just sit there and be murdered!

Yup, sounds like another "winning" (pacifist :| ) strategy from the neo-left and postmodernists... :rolleyes:

Concerned about an outbreak of kindness and sense in this thread, following an alarming admission by the OP that perhaps he was not entirely correct about something, xeno steps into the kitchen and tries to draw some heat.

"murdered" is good. But you forgot to mention the women and children.

http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,429341,00.html
"This War Was Avoidable"

Giora Eiland, 54, a general in the Israel Army reserves and former security adviser to prime ministers Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert, discusses strategic failures of the Israeli government and military that have contributed to the current crisis.
Damn antisemitic bastards. But he's really just saying the obvious, I reckon.

And as what seems to be Spiegel's policy of always posting interviews in pairs, from both sides:
http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/spiegel/0,1518,429424,00.html
US Position on Cease-Fire "Totally Unacceptable"

Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Moallem, 65, says America's rejection of an immediate cease-fire in Lebanon is "totally unacceptable." He denies that Syria has been supplying arms to Hezbollah and says an international force in Lebanon will only work if it isn't perceived as merely protecting Israel.

Der Spiegel means "mirror" so I guess that makes sense :p

EDIT: Both interesting articles (particularly the first.)

Damn, I've got to start reading Spiegel more often.

This is about a 48 hour pause in air attacks on southern Lebanon.

You point to attacks in northern Lebanon and say that Isreal is breaking their "48 hour pause".......you are running in circles all day..time for a direct answer.

are saying that the 48 hours "pause"/"truce"/"Cease-fire"/whatever.. was not broken by Israel?

yes or no.

you are running in circles all day..time for a direct answer.

are saying that the 48 hours "pause"/"truce"/"Cease-fire"/whatever.. was not broken by Israel?

yes or no.

Ocean, you're a well-known anti-semite on NS General (and I'm not using the term to stifle debate - I'm basing it on the anti-Jewish slurs you've posted before, specifically the ones about Jewish banking), and your NS nation name is based on a famous road in Hollywood, Florida where rich Jews live.

It's very, very obvious Ocean, that you're not here to debate anything, but merely to hurl invective and troll like a bassmaster.

denies that Syria has been supplying arms to Hezbollah:rolleyes:

of course Syrians/Iranians/Saudis/Arabs/Muslims/others are helping Hezbollah.. maybe the Govs is not directly doing it.. but the populations certainly are.

you are running in circles all day..time for a direct answer.

are saying that the 48 hours "pause"/"truce"/"Cease-fire"/whatever.. was not broken by Israel?

yes or no.

"Airstrike in Southern Lebanon to halt for 48 hours" That is what showed up in my email box from CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, and the Washington Post.

So my answer to that question is no,the "cease-fire" was not broken.

(Ocean, you're a... a... anti-semite...)and I'm not using the term to stifle debate. of course you are not.. kiddo. *gently slaps DK on the fore-head.. repeatedly* :D

of course not kiddo.. *gently slaps DK on the fore-head.. repeatedly* :D
It's perfectly OK to call someone an anti-semite when they've hurled racial slurs about Jews on the forum more than once.

It's one thing to debate a topic, and yet another to go out of your way to slur Jews.

It's perfectly OK to call someone an anti-semite when they've hurled racial slurs about Jews on the forum more than once.

It's one thing to debate a topic, and yet another to go out of your way to slur Jews.its perfectly OK to slap you on the forehead like a Kid.. when you do kiddie stuff like:

> Call me names.. just to stifle debate.. and turn around and say "I didnt do it". <
:rolleyes:

pathetic kiddie stuff.