Your tax dollars at work.
http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_international&Number=294821889#Post294821889
Glad to see they appreciate their aid. From our tax dollars. In the billions.
Democratic Colonies
31-07-2006, 19:36
If that was real, that was the worst damn thing I've seen all day.
Perhaps I'm being overly cynical, but it should be noted however, that it wouldn't be too difficult to fake this video. Give me a quiet street, three kids and two of my friends, and I could probably make this video too. The distribtor of the video, the International Solidarity Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_solidarity_movement) isn't exactly an unbiased source.
WTF!?
I knew that at Israeli checkpoints the soldiers would only check palestinian muslims and not israeli jews but this is just unbelievable those kids were smiling and laughing as they stoned an innocent woman. Palestinian kids have been shot for doing that to soldiers. Thats it I'm convinced this is a second apartheid
The South Islands
31-07-2006, 19:47
Ummm...do we know that those children were Israeli? I didn't see anything on the video.
Fleckenstein
31-07-2006, 19:48
Why would someone being stoned video it?
please, as much as i would like to see this happening, who keeps a damn video camera on as they are pelted with stones?
Democratic Colonies
31-07-2006, 19:57
Ummm...do we know that those children were Israeli? I didn't see anything on the video.
I think one of the boys was wearing a Kippah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarmulke).
Ofcourse, I suppose it would be fairly easy to give any kid a Kippah and tell him to be a dick for the videocamera.
Ummm...do we know that those children were Israeli? I didn't see anything on the video.
The small one with glasses says something that sounded like hebrew to me but I can't be for sure
The South Islands
31-07-2006, 20:04
I think one of the boys was wearing a Kippah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yarmulke).
Ofcourse, I suppose it would be fairly easy to give any kid a Kippah and tell him to be a dick for the videocamera.
I've seen many muslims wear something very similar to that. The name escapes me, though.
I mean, its probable that they indeed were israeli kids. But we shouldn't put much faith in a video published by a group such as this with no conclusive evidence one way or the other.
And these kids, WTF, they just see some people and randomly start stoning them? Huh?
Fartsniffage
31-07-2006, 20:05
Why were there no shots of the Israeli soldier who refused to help? Why were there no shots of a stones actually travelling through the air? Why didn't the aid workers just leave the area?
It just didn't add up so I call BS.
My thoughts? The size of those stones, and the size of those kids throwing them, and the likelihood that because of the proximity that most were hitting her? Doesn't ring true. Even a small pebble tossed by a kid that size would sting.
And just once you'd think they would've filmed the soldier.
There is enough going on there to outrage a person...invented events aren't necessary.
If that was real, that was the worst damn thing I've seen all day.
Perhaps I'm being overly cynical, but it should be noted however, that it wouldn't be too difficult to fake this video. Give me a quiet street, three kids and two of my friends, and I could probably make this video too. The distribtor of the video, the International Solidarity Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_solidarity_movement) isn't exactly an unbiased source.
Yeah im sure some woman with a camera was like "lets stage something, HEY KIDS THROW ROCKS AT ME!"
My thoughts?
Kids are overprotected.
The cameraman or whoever was with him should have laid the boot down on those brats, whoever or wherever they are.
My thoughts?
Kids are overprotected.
The cameraman or whoever was with him should have laid the boot down on those brats, whoever or wherever they are.
But that would be anti-semitic. Next thing you know the person holding the camera is being called a holocaust denier.
Arthais101
31-07-2006, 20:11
Yeah im sure some woman with a camera was like "lets stage something, HEY KIDS THROW ROCKS AT ME!"
Yeah, because nobody has EVER produced a work of fiction for anti Israeli/anti semetic reasons.
elder counsel of zion? what?
Yeah, because nobody has EVER produced a work of fiction for anti Israeli/anti semetic reasons.
elder counsel of zion? what?
Did elder counsel of Zion include the cameraman telling a bunch of kids to inflict physical harm onto him?
And speaking of the "anti-semite" card...:rolleyes:
Wallonochia
31-07-2006, 20:13
I seriously doubt those rocks were hitting them. When I was in Iraq the kids threw rocks at us all the time, and those kids threw them quite hard. They dented my HMMWV several times, and a guy in another unit near mine got his cheekbone broken by a rock. We ended up firing warning shots over the children (well over them, like 15 feet over them) whenever we saw them picking up rocks. That always got them to stop and run away, even though sometimes one or two would throw one, but they'd just throw it at the side of the truck or something. We didn't give them time or let them get close enough to throw accurately.
I seriously doubt those rocks were hitting them. When I was in Iraq the kids threw rocks at us all the time, and those kids threw them quite hard. They dented my HMMWV several times, and a guy in another unit near mine got his cheekbone broken by a rock. We ended up firing warning shots over the children (well over them, like 15 feet over them) whenever we saw them picking up rocks. That always got them to stop and run away, even though sometimes one or two would throw one, but they'd just throw it at the side of the truck or something. We didn't give them time or let them get close enough to throw accurately.
I guess that makes it okay.
My thoughts?
Kids are overprotected.
The cameraman or whoever was with him should have laid the boot down on those brats, whoever or wherever they are.
I'm assuming, if this event is real, that the soldier would have been armed, and since he wasn't too friendly, risking getting shot over bitch-slapping an unruly child wasn't really a good option.
But that would be anti-semitic. Next thing you know the person holding the camera is being called a holocaust denier.
I personally would have said that a little discipline would be entirely ethically justified, if not actually actively encouraged. That "soldier", assuming he exists, is an example of the result of brats like those getting away with it.
Wallonochia
31-07-2006, 20:20
I guess that makes it okay.
Makes what ok? The kids throwing rocks? Certainly not. I don't know how you'd get that out of what I said. All I was saying was that they weren't being hit by the rocks. Nothing more to be read into it than that.
However, there is the possibility that this film is a fake. They could very well have told the kids to come up close and throw the rocks past them.
If it was real, I agree that the solution would have been to put a boot in their asses. However, if it was real I'm sure the rather belligerant Israeli soldier that was talking may have something to say about it.
Democratic Colonies
31-07-2006, 20:21
Did elder counsel of Zion include the cameraman telling a bunch of kids to inflict physical harm onto him?
Did you see video of any actual wounds? Any blood? Any medical treatment?
For all we know, the International Solidarity Movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_solidarity_movement), who is now distributing this film, staged it and ensured that no one was actually injured.
Deep Kimchi
31-07-2006, 20:22
Why were there no shots of the Israeli soldier who refused to help? Why were there no shots of a stones actually travelling through the air? Why didn't the aid workers just leave the area?
It just didn't add up so I call BS.
Maybe you should see the video and still photos of the American woman who was "run over" by an Israeli bulldozer.
Looks, in some frames, like she was a smashed dead body BEFORE the dozer even got close.
Fartsniffage
31-07-2006, 20:26
Maybe you should see the video and still photos of the American woman who was "run over" by an Israeli bulldozer.
Looks, in some frames, like she was a smashed dead body BEFORE the dozer even got close.
Oh, missed that one. Where is it?
Baguetten
31-07-2006, 20:27
"Our?"
I don't think so.
I'm assuming, if this event is real, that the soldier would have been armed, and since he wasn't too friendly, risking getting shot over bitch-slapping an unruly child wasn't really a good option.
So... Bitch-slap the unruly soldier instead? 0__o;;
Seriously, this is the essential problem of the middle east. The children are picking up the hatred of their parents and radicalising it. What we need is a unilateral UN Parenting force of some sort.
"Our?"
I don't think so.
Non USians don't count.
Meath Street
31-07-2006, 21:40
True or not, did anyone notice this image (http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d3/garyscott/avatar440937me.gif) on the page? lol!