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JERUSALEM (AP) - Israel agreed to a 48-hour suspension of aerial activity over southern Lebanon after its bombing of a Lebanese village on Sunday that killed a number of children.

The attack marred Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's mission to halt the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah.

The suspension of over-flights was announced by State Department spokesman Adam Ereli. He said Israel has reserved the right to attack targets if it learns that attacks are being prepared against them.

"The United States welcomes this decision and hopes that it will help relieve the suffering of the children and families of southern Lebanon," Ereli told reporters traveling with Rice.

An Israeli government official, confirmed that Prime Minister Ehud Olmert agreed to a 48-hour halt in airstrikes on Lebanon. The official was speaking on condition of anonymity since he was not authorized to talk to reporters,

A State Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity about the evolving situation, said Rice had been working on such an agreement for some time before the attack on Qana, Lebanon. The airstrike early Sunday killed more than 50 people, including many children.

Ereli said that Israel will coordinate with the United Nations to allow a 24-hour period of safe passage for all residents of south Lebanon who want to leave the region.

"We expect that Israel will implement these decisions so as to significantly speed and improve the flow of humanitarian aid," he added.

The official said the 24 hours of safe passage could be renewed.

It was not immediately clear how much Israeli military activity the suspension would end. The official said only that the agreement covered aircraft, which would not rule out the use of ground troops or ground-based weapons systems.

The official said the Israeli government agreed to the suspension and that it was to take effect immediately.

"The decision was taken in light of the steadily deteriorating humanitarian situation in the area," the official said.

Despite what SOME of you people say, Israel does seem to feel bad about all the civilians being stuck in the war zone dying from their weapons. So they're calling off the Offensive airstrikes to allow Rescue crews and UN relief workers to help evacuate survivors from Southern Lebanon, and if the Hezbollah decide to sneak out with them, even better.

That means the Civilians have no more excuses to remain in Southern Lebanon. If more die afterwards it's their own damn fault.

Of course this means.

1: Hezbollah going to say, SEE THEY KNEW IT WAS WRONG BUT DID IT ANYWAY!!
2: Hezbollah will have 48 hours to launch as many missiles they want. (You people who live in Israel, prepare to return to the shelters if you aren't already in them.)

Still at least they're trying.

Despite what SOME of you people say, Israel does seem to feel bad about all the civilians being stuck in the war zone dying from their weapons.
Only because they realise they are on the brink of losing the media war. If we weren't making a fuss, they wouldn't be doing this.

Only because they realise they are on the brink of losing the media war. If we weren't making a fuss, they wouldn't be doing this.

Either way it means that the Civilians have a chance to leave now. And now there is no excuse in:
"They're staying because they're afraid of Airstrikes'

Good. Israel's actions were beginning to go a little far even for my own tastes, and it's nice to see that when they need to, they still show some ethics and civility, even in the face of an enemy that would grant them none.

Just as I said they would.

Only because they realise they are on the brink of losing the media war. If we weren't making a fuss, they wouldn't be doing this.

You honestly believe that? You believe that this is purely to look good in the media?

Only because they realise they are on the brink of losing the media war. If we weren't making a fuss, they wouldn't be doing this.I doubt that. They were losing it after the hit on the oil tanks that have ruined the Beirut mediterranean coast and after striking the village. I'm sure Condolezza had to put some sort of pressure on them after they were so emboldened by the conference in Rome.

Either way it means that the Civilians have a chance to leave now. And now there is no excuse in:
"They're staying because they're afraid of Airstrikes'
There still is the excuse: "They're staying because there's no roads to leave by," though. ;)

You honestly believe that? You believe that this is purely to look good in the media?
Yes. That's the only real reason any country does anything positive: propaganda purposes.

Despite what SOME people on this forum seem to think, Israel is not some divine state, and it operates much like any other.

You honestly believe that? You believe that this is purely to look good in the media?

It's probably one of many factors. The media is far more important than guns and bombs in today's wars. This is probably more of a result of a little quiet pressure from the Americans and possibly (if i'm feeling optimistic) to get some sort of ceasefire.

ethics and civility? they bombed a UN post to make the UN leave Lebanon so they can go on bombarding whatever they want.

There still is the excuse: "They're staying because there's no roads to leave by," though. ;)
Lebanese civilians don't have feet?? :confused:

Or are you saying that every square inch of Roadway is destroyed?

Drive, then go AROUND the crateors.

2: Hezbollah will have 48 hours to launch as many missiles they want. (You people who live in Israel, prepare to return to the shelters if you aren't already in them.)


What the heck do you think a 'defensive' airstrike is?

ethics and civility? they bombed a UN post to make the UN leave Lebanon so they can go on bombarding whatever they want.

Or they you know...bombed the area because Hezbollah was using the UN peacekeepers practically as human shields.

But let's not let things like facts get in the way of discussion. That would be rationale.

Yes. That's the only real reason any country does anything positive: propaganda purposes.

Despite what SOME people on this forum seem to think, Israel is not some divine state, and it operates much like any other.

That is purely a assumption.

Either way it means that the Civilians have a chance to leave now. And now there is no excuse in:
"They're staying because they're afraid of Airstrikes'
Well, good luck getting the news out with electricity and communications cut. :p

What the heck do you think a 'defensive' airstrike is?

I doubt they'll do any sort of Airstrike, after all wasn't this mornings an attempt to stop another group of rocket launches?

You honestly believe that? You believe that this is purely to look good in the media?
Of course. Israel has been getting totally trashed in the media, and these days PR is half of any war.

That is purely a assumption.
And to think otherwise is pure naivete.

Of course. Israel has been getting totally trashed in the media, and these days PR is half of any war.

I agree that the media may have been a very small pushing factor, but there is no reason to believe that Israel aren't doing this on ethical grounds as well.

Well, good luck getting the news out with electricity and communications cut. :p
Have you ever heard of a certain cheap invention called the Battery operated radio? If Hezbollah can still broadcast that must mean the Antennas are still working. You think the Reporters that seem to always be at the right place at the right time won't tell anyone?

And to think otherwise is pure naivete.

Yes, because it's pure naivete to think that democratically elected leaders of a free seculor society may actually for once.....not like to have more civilians dead when they don't have to.

Yes, because it's pure naivete to think that democratically elected leaders of a free seculor society may actually for once.....not like to have more civilians dead when they don't have to.

Nope, apparently they just love to see civs die, it gives them so much fun.

The rockets won't stop....

Hizballah won't stop....

What doesn't the rest of the world get about that?

Or they you know...bombed the area because Hezbollah was using the UN peacekeepers practically as human shields.

But let's not let things like facts get in the way of discussion. That would be rationale.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/27/12626/3982

This attack was deliberate.

Nope, apparently they just love to see civs die, it gives them so much fun.

Of course that's what it is, Israel and all the terrorists are all holding "Who can kill the most Civilians" Contest.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/27/12626/3982

This attack was deliberate.

Here's what that means, translated from military jargon into English: "the Israelis are shooting at us, but we understand that it's not because they're trying to hit us. We understand that it's because they're trying to hit Hezbollah positions that are very close to us."

Hess-von Kruedener specifically indicated that Hezbollah was positioned not just near his base, but actually "in" the UN base (presumably that means not actually inside the building, but rather on the property considered part of the UN base):



Thank you very much for that link, you just proved my point. Or, if you bothered to read what I said, you would see that I never claimed that Israel attacked the area on ACCIDENT. I said they attacked the area because Hezbollah was in extreme proximity of the UN base, and were using them as shields, cowardly hiding behind peacekeepers hoping that they'd be safe if they hid behind civilians (a favorite tactic of terrorist groups when push comes to shove and they're actually held accountable for their actions).

Something the link that you provided demonstrated quite clearly. They didn't attack the UN area to attack the UN area, they attacked the UN area because Hezbollah was using it as a shield. The tragic death of the UN officials is directly the fault of Hezbollah, who used innocent lives to protect themselves from the enemy THEY attacked first.

Of course that's what it is, Israel and all the terrorists are all holding "Who can kill the most Civilians" Contest.

I hear they call it the killolympics.

What, you think any leader in the world care if civilians on the other side die? They don't. With the exception of pacifistic leaders like Gahndi, the leader of a nation could care less about collateral damage, unless it makes them look bad. This is especially true in a democratic nation, where a leader can lose his power if he looks bad.

EDIT: PS, at no point did I say that leaders enjoy causing the death of civilians.

What, you think any leader in the world care if civilians on the other side die? They don't. With the exception of pacifistic leaders like Gahndi, the leader of a nation could care less about collateral damage, unless it makes them look bad. This is especially true in a democratic nation, where a leader can lose his power if he looks bad.

I think you have watched too many movies.

I think you have watched too many movies.
And I think you are uninformed when it comes to the nature of leaders.

What, you think any leader in the world care if civilians on the other side die? They don't. With the exception of pacifistic leaders like Gahndi, the leader of a nation could care less about collateral damage, unless it makes them look bad. This is especially true in a democratic nation, where a leader can lose his power if he looks bad.

So, lets see. You make an unsubstantiated claim without proof, and when asked for support, you offer as support...another unsubstantiated claim without proof, and then ridicule people who laugh at you.

Your claim is without proof, my counter argument is leaders of the world are human beings who are compassionate and don't like it when civilians die, and are willing to take acts to lessen that.

And this would seem to prove me right. Your problem is you have a belief, when evidence seems to contradict that belief, you create another stupid belief to try to justify why this really isn't damning to your position.

And I think you are uninformed when it comes to the nature of leaders.

Proof?

Lebanese civilians don't have feet?? :confused:

Or are you saying that every square inch of Roadway is destroyed?

Drive, then go AROUND the crateors.Try and drive around a crater in a destroyed bridge. It takes a while. ;)

Of course, you could leave everything you own behind, if you'd like, and take only the things you can carry in a very arid environment.

Thank you very much for that link, you just proved my point. Or, if you bothered to read what I said, you would see that I never claimed that Israel attacked the area on ACCIDENT. I said they attacked the area because Hezbollah was in extreme proximity of the UN base, and were using them as shields, cowardly hiding behind peacekeepers hoping that they'd be safe if they hid behind civilians (a favorite tactic of terrorist groups when push comes to shove and they're actually held accountable for their actions).

Something the link that you provided demonstrated quite clearly. They didn't attack the UN area to attack the UN area, they attacked the UN area because Hezbollah was using it as a shield. The tragic death of the UN officials is directly the fault of Hezbollah, who used innocent lives to protect themselves from the enemy THEY attacked first.



As you serious?? Isreal knew that the UN base and Hezvollah was there! why didn't the Isreali's tell the UN before they pummeled them?

Good. I hope this is the start of some sort of de-escalation.

At best, I hope the civilians can get the humanitarian aid safely.

So, lets see. You make an unsubstantiated claim without proof, and when asked for support, you offer as support...another unsubstantiated claim without proof, and then ridicule people who laugh at you.
At no point did anyone ask me to support my view, and I believe it was YOU who was ridiculing ME, not the other way around.


Your claim is without proof, my counter argument is leaders of the world are human beings who are compassionate and don't like it when civilians die, and are willing to take acts to lessen that.
I think that is simply false, if you look at some of the most prominent leaders: Bush, Putin, Kim Jong Il, Winston Churchill, Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Nearly every American president of this century... need I go on?

And this would seem to prove me right. Your problem is you have a belief, when evidence seems to contradict that belief, you create another stupid belief to try to justify why this really isn't damning to your position.
So, what evidence is going against my belief that this is just a PR stunt, again?

At no point did anyone ask me to support my view, and I believe it was YOU who was ridiculing ME, not the other way around.


I think that is simply false, if you look at some of the most prominent leaders: Bush, Putin, Kim Jong Il, Winston Churchill, Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Nearly every American president of this century... need I go on?


So, what evidence is going against my belief that this is just a PR stunt, again?

Back up what you say. And no, naming presidents does not offer any sort of proof.

Back up what you say. And no, naming presidents does not offer any sort of proof.
Show me a history book, and I'll show you proof.

Anyway, I notice you are focusing more on insulting me than backing up your claims. What is your proof that Israel's temporary ceasefire is altruistic?

EDIT: I only named 2 presidents...

Show me a history book, and I'll show you proof.

Anyway, I notice you are focusing more on insulting me than backing up your claims. What is your proof that Israel's temporary ceasefire is altruistic?

EDIT: I only named 2 presidents...

I have not insulted you, you are mixing me up with Arthais.

A history book can show that some leaders don't care about civs, but not all leaders. Please could you proove how every leader has the same mindset as serial killers, purely because they are a leader of a country.

Try and drive around a crater in a destroyed bridge. It takes a while. ;)

Of course, you could leave everything you own behind, if you'd like, and take only the things you can carry in a very arid environment.

Most of the bridges they've been bombing are the ones leading to Syria not the ones that lead to nowhereville Lebanon. I count maybe two rivers in Southern Lebanon near where the airstrike this morning happened.
One to the north and one to the south, the south one isn't even a all year one. I doubt it's impossible to cross. The elevation doesn't seem to have a dramatic drops or heights so no mountain crossings, the Large mountain range in Lebanon is farther north.

(Interesting the mountain ranges are called "Lebanon Mountains" and
"Anti-Lebanon Mountains" Very Creative.)

Good!

Although they should've done it much earlier, it's good that they finally decided to do it at all.

By the way, I watched a report on the situation two days ago and a few people were saying that they were too poor to leave. They didn't have cars and they didn't have anywhere to go.

Either way it means that the Civilians have a chance to leave now. And now there is no excuse in:
"They're staying because they're afraid of Airstrikes'likewise the Jews have a chance to leave Israel now. And now there is no excuse in:
"Civilean Jews are staying because they're afraid of Hezbollah/AlQaeda'

from today on.. any Civilean Jew killed in Israel.. will be by his own fault. [/reflective sarcasm]
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likewise the Jews have a chance to leave Israel now. And now there is no excuse in:
"Civilean Jews are staying because they're afraid of Hezbollah/AlQaeda'

from today on.. any Civilean Jew killed in Israel.. will be by his own fault. [/reflective sarcasm]
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One big point makes mine work and your's useless.

In my conclusion... They get to come back.

If all the Jews left Israel and gave it up, they wouldn't be allowed back.

Good!

Although they should've done it much earlier, it's good that they finally decided to do it at all.

By the way, I watched a report on the situation two days ago and a few people were saying that they were too poor to leave. They didn't have cars and they didn't have anywhere to go.

That's why I'm really glad that the UN is actually getting to bring relief supplies and vehicles this time.

If all the Jews left Israel and gave it up, they wouldn't be allowed back.there was Jews in the "Holy lands".. before the political entity "Israel" was artificially created...

rigth?

there was Jews in the "Holy lands".. before the political entity "Israel" was artificially created...

rigth?There actually were Jews. The British Consul in Jerusalem conducted a census in the 1850s. THey found 2/3 of people in Jerusalem were Jews at that point. I don't even have to mention Safed and Tiberias.

There actually were Jews. The British Consul in Jerusalem conducted a census in the 1850s. THey found 2/3 of people in Jerusalem were Jews at that point.Jews in Palestine.. interesting.

and did they have Sinagogues? (or whatever they are called)

Jews in Palestine.. interesting.

and did they have Sinagogues? (or whatever they are called)Yes they did. THere were many synagogues in the old city at the time. The Jews who lived in Israel at the time tended to be of ultra-Orthodox sects of the religion. That is especially true in Safed and Tiberias. It is the Jews of those areas who followed the Kaballah and wrote the Talmud

Yes they did. THere were many synagogues in the old city at the time. The Jews who lived in Israel at the time tended to be of ultra-Orthodox sects of the religion. That is especially true in Safed and Tiberias. It is the Jews of those areas who followed the Kaballah and wrote the Talmudsee?

the Jews were allowed to live peacefully in the arablands.. and were allowed to have its Sinagogues.. as we Christians were allowed to have our Churches..

BEFORE the artificial creation of that political entity: "israel"..

now we no longer have peace.
we now have daily bombings and killings..

see?

the Jews were allowed to live peacefully in the arablands.. and were allowed to have its Sinagogues.. as we Christians were allowed to have our Churches..

But would they now? After how they have been painted out to be nothing but an object of hate by the rest of the middle east?

No they wouldn't.

But would they now? After how they have been painted out to be nothing but an object of hate by the rest of the middle east?

No they wouldn't.I guess it would take time.

see?

the Jews were allowed to live peacefully in the arablands.. and were allowed to have its Sinagogues.. as we Christians were allowed to have our Churches..
If you studied the history of the MIddle East, you would see this was the case until Egypt took over for a short time in the 1830s. They instigated pogroms against the Jews. Even after Egypt left, the Arabs in the land continued what they started. There were occasional pogroms, but then they started passing laws against the Jews. It really got worse in 1920 when the Grand Mufti took over and indoctrinated the Arabs (who at the time were largely uneducated and suseptible to rhetoric from religious leaders.) THe Mufti instigated pogroms and even allied himself with Hitler. He fled to Berlin the 30s and helped Himmler convince Hitler to conduct the "Final Solution to the Jewish Problem." He was the Palestinian's leader until he died. At that point, he handed over the reigns to his nephew, Yassir Arafat.

I guess it would take time.
It would be nice if it could happen, but I just don't see it as likely. The dictatorships need a distraction for domestic problems. THey will keep using Israel for that reason. It's really tragic. Sort of like how Hitler used blaming the Jews as a common theme to gain power.

Although, they did live side by side for about 1700 years with little difficulties. Amazing what a few religious fanatics can do.

If you studied the history of the MIddle East...history books? made in US/UK history books?

i need sources from both sides.. as usual.

Although, they did live side by side for about 1700 years with little difficulties.that is my 100% my point.

Either way it means that the Civilians have a chance to leave now. And now there is no excuse in:
"They're staying because they're afraid of Airstrikes'

We'll see if they follow up by bombing the evacuees and calling them Hezbollah. Done it before, not holding my breath to see if they don't do it again.

history books? made in US/UK history books?

i need sources from both sides.. as usual.
The problem with US history books is that they don't really cover the Middle East well. In my experience, they pretty much ignored it all together except for when the US was directly involved.

that is my 100% my point.
I agree with you. For it to happen again, you need to root out the extremist elements who have been poisoning the people with hate. The Egyptians did a very good job of creating the environment of hate. It will be difficult to undo.

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Despite what SOME of you people say, Israel does seem to feel bad about all the civilians being stuck in the war zone dying from their weapons. So they're calling off the Offensive airstrikes to allow Rescue crews and UN relief workers to help evacuate survivors from Southern Lebanon, and if the Hezbollah decide to sneak out with them, even better.

That means the Civilians have no more excuses to remain in Southern Lebanon. If more die afterwards it's their own damn fault.

Of course this means.

1: Hezbollah going to say, SEE THEY KNEW IT WAS WRONG BUT DID IT ANYWAY!!
2: Hezbollah will have 48 hours to launch as many missiles they want. (You people who live in Israel, prepare to return to the shelters if you aren't already in them.)

Still at least they're trying.

I applaud Israel's decision to halt air-strikes for 48 hours. I wish it were longer but at least it is something and hopefully a start to a more permanent cease-fire.

The Egyptians did a very good job of creating the environment of hate. It will be difficult to undo.

Resorting to mass punishments, bombings, etc, etc and not doing anything to alleviate the problems caused by that certainly doesn't help Israel either.

Put it this way. If all one side see's of your actions are bombs and tanks, they aren't going to like you. Israel's current policy is really screwing things up.

ethics and civility? they bombed a UN post to make the UN leave Lebanon so they can go on bombarding whatever they want.

Ma'am/Sir, I do not believe they attacked the UN post to get the UN to leave. Unless you have concrete proof, it is nothing more than a theory and one that I do not believe has any facts to it.

Or they you know...bombed the area because Hezbollah was using the UN peacekeepers practically as human shields.

But let's not let things like facts get in the way of discussion. That would be rationale.

Now this is a tad more accurate.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/7/27/12626/3982

This attack was deliberate.

I hate to break this to you but no one is buying that the attack on the outpost was deliberate.

There still is the excuse: "They're staying because there's no roads to leave by," though. ;)
Yeah, yeah. Kinda like there were "no roads" for the refugees in New Orleans to leave by. :rolleyes:

I hate to break this to you but no one is buying that the attack on the outpost was deliberate.
They accidentally attacked the outpost??? :eek:

They accidentally attacked the outpost??? :eek:

I think what he means is, we all know they intentionally bombed the outpost, but they didn't do it with the intent of killing UN peacekeepers.

I think what he means is, we all know they intentionally bombed the outpost, but they didn't do it with the intent of killing UN peacekeepers.

Yep.

What I find vaguely amusing is that the people who don't believe that the leaders of a secular, democratic, free society could EVER act to minimize casualties for purely humanitarian reasons are the SAME people who advocated the best course for Israel to take would have been to sit back for the terrorist groups to decide they didn't want to be terrorists anymore.

What I find vaguely amusing is that the people who don't believe that the leaders of a secular, democratic, free society could EVER act to minimize casualties for purely humanitarian reasons are the SAME people who advocated the best course for Israel to take would have been to sit back for the terrorist groups to decide they didn't want to be terrorists anymore.

In my short time here, I did get that impression which is sad to see :(

What I find vaguely amusing is that the people who don't believe that the leaders of a secular, democratic, free society could (kiddnap,torture or assassinate oponents).I believe they could..
and no.. I do not find it amusing.

I hate to break this to you but no one is buying that the attack on the outpost was deliberate.

They accidently struck the UN outpost?

No, they intentionallty struck it because Hezz was standing right in front of it. Got the Hezz, AND the outpost.

Yeah, yeah. Kinda like there were "no roads" for the refugees in New Orleans to leave by. :rolleyes:

Heh, yeah. No roads.

Heh, yeah. No roads.
I bet the Lebanon Roads, even with the Israel bombings, are in better shape than the post hurricane roads.

This is great news. With 25 bomb-free hours to go I hope all non-Hezbollah supporting Lebanese will evacuate.

If Hezbollah continue their rocket attacks, then we'll see all the more clearly what scumbags they are.

There actually were Jews. The British Consul in Jerusalem conducted a census in the 1850s. THey found 2/3 of people in Jerusalem were Jews at that point. I don't even have to mention Safed and Tiberias.

Overall, in what was to become the mandate, they were a minority.


They accidently struck the UN outpost?

No, they intentionallty struck it because Hezz was standing right in front of it. Got the Hezz, AND the outpost..

Yet despite drones, and cameras of all shades, spectrums and sizes, neglected to take a picture or two to show they're arent blowing shite of the UN for nefarious reasons yet a-fucken-gain.......

If Hezbollah continue their rocket attacks, then we'll see all the more clearly what scumbags they are.you want Hezbollah to stop launching missiles?

then you need a C-e-a-s-e-f-i-r-e.

Israel has promised to stop using its Airforce? so has Hezbollah :rolleyes:

BTW Israel has already broken his word anyways.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494282

you want Hezbollah to stop launching missiles?

then you need a C-e-a-s-e-f-i-r-e.

Israel has promised to stop using its Airforce? so has Hezbollah :rolleyes:

BTW Israel has already broken his word anyways.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494282

So what promted Hezbollah to fire first? Or the hundreds of times over the last few years? You honestly think a ceasefire will stop the rocket attacks? No others have? Why would this be any different?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5179434.stm

WEDNESDAY 12 JULY

Hezbollah fighters based in southern Lebanon launch Katyusha rockets across the border with Israel, targeting the town of Shlomi and outposts in the Shebaa Farms area.


Israeli tank fire against Hezbollah positions


In a cross-border raid, guerrillas seize two Israeli soldiers before retreating back into Lebanon, insisting on a prisoner exchange and warning against confrontation. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert describes the capture of the soldiers as "an act of war".

In response Israeli planes bomb Hezbollah positions in southern Lebanon and troops cross into southern Lebanon for the first time since the military withdrawal of 2000.

However, the troops encounter heavy resistance - eight are killed and two others are injured during fighting with Hezbollah. Israel calls up reserve troops as it pledges a swift and large-scale response to the Hezbollah attack.

You honestly think a ceasefire will stop the rocket attacks?I dont know..

I dont thing there will ever be peace in the region.. unless the Jews calls the ReMax agent.. and move to another neigborhood.

or unless Uncle Sam buys them a nicer house elsewhere.

Uncle Sam is paying for all the bills anyways.

I dont know..

I dont thing there will ever be peace in the region.. unless the Jews calls the ReMax agent.. and move to another neigborhood.

or unless Uncle Sam buys them a nicer house elsewhere.

Uncle Sam is paying for all the bills anyways.

But the US didn't put them there. Look to the UN for that one.

Or maybe when fanatics who cry "death to jews" as a standard meme are actually not encouraged by local gov'ts and teenagers aren't encouraged/financed to blow up restarants and discos, things might calm down.

But the US didn't put them there. Look to the UN for that one.I asked the UN why it was going Nowhere on the Israel-Palestine issue.

And the UN had a two words reply: US veto

Despite what SOME of you people say, Israel does seem to feel bad about all the civilians being stuck in the war zone dying from their weapons. So they're calling off the Offensive airstrikes to allow Rescue crews and UN relief workers to help evacuate survivors from Southern Lebanon, and if the Hezbollah decide to sneak out with them, even better.

(snipped)



I imagine this has less to do with Israel feeling remorse, and more with the fact that an evacuated Southern Lebanon would be to their tactical advantage. Their problem has been that Hezbollah hides amongst the civilian population anyway. No civilians, less hassle when they send in an occupation force and set up a defensive perimeter.

I asked the UN why it was going Nowhere on the Israel-Palestine issue.

And the UN had a two words reply: Paper Tiger

Edit: Fixed above

So the UN instructions to Lebanon to disarm Hezbollah were followed and enforced to the letter, or did the US veto that as well?

Which countries keep supplying them w/ arms again? Who was paying Palestinian families for suicide bombings? Did the US veto measures condemning those as well? Oh Wait, there were no such measures.

Overall, in what was to become the mandate, they were a minority.
THat's because 80% of the Madate was Jordan. In fact there is a Palestinian state. It just isn't called Palestine.



Yet despite drones, and cameras of all shades, spectrums and sizes, neglected to take a picture or two to show they're arent blowing shite of the UN for nefarious reasons yet a-fucken-gain.......
They knew it was a UN outpost, but the fact was that Hezbollah was launching rockets from within the compound's grounds. That made it a target as Hezbollah was using the UN as a human shield. It's Hezbollah's fault for using the site, not Israel's.

Which countries keep supplying them w/ arms again? .Israel army gets Billion in weapons from US.

Hezbollah gets tens of thousands (my speculation) from Iran, Saudi arabia, Syria and many others ..

Heck I would not be surprised if Chavez is giving a few AKs to Hezbollah.

What is your point?

Israel army gets Billion in weapons from US.

Hezbollah gets tens of thousands (my speculation) from Iran, Saudi arabia, Syria and others..

Heck I would not be surprised if Chavez is giving a few AKs to Hezbollah.

What is your point?

I suppose that the point is that if a nation is supporting Hezbollah with arms now, and Hezbollah gets their asses kicked, those nations shouldn't be surprised if the nations supporting Israel put in for a little payback.

You don't think someone should be allowed to finance a proxy battle that was started by Hezbollah, and expect the supporting parties to get away with it, do you?

Or are you that naive?

Israel army gets Billion in weapons from US.

Hezbollah gets tens of thousands (my speculation) from Iran, Saudi arabia, Syria and others..

Heck I would not be surprised if Chavez is giving a few AKs to Hezbollah.

What is your point?
Yeah and the Russians gave billinos in weapons to the Arab enemies of Israel. Your point is?

Israel is a democracy surrounded by hundreds of millions of people who want to kill them. Arming Israel is preventing a holocaust I'm sure you would love to see happen.

you want Hezbollah to stop launching missiles?

then you need a C-e-a-s-e-f-i-r-e.

Israel has promised to stop using its Airforce? so has Hezbollah :rolleyes:

BTW Israel has already broken his word anyways.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494282
Hezbollah has an air force?

Yeah and the Russians gave billinos in weapons to the Arab enemies of Israel. Your point is?my poins that if Bush gives weapons to Israel..

then it is legitimate for other Countries to give weapons to Hezbollah.

THAT IS MY POINT.
Do you want to counter my point?.
Can you counter it?
If that is the case.. you are welcome to try.

Hezbollah has an air force?of course not..

my poins that if Bush gives weapons to Israel..

then it is legitimate for other Countries to give weapons to Hezbollah.

THAT IS MY POINT.
Do you want to counter my point?.
Can you counter it?
If that is the case.. you are welcome to try.
Yes, it's legitimate to give weapons to Israel.
And not legitimate to give weapons to Hezbollah.

Why?

1. Hezbollah is a proxy creation (in entirety) by Iran. It is a proxy military and a proxy terror group, acting on orders from Iran.

2. It has no legitimate claim to any land in Lebanon or Israel.

3. Its attacks against Israel, unlike those of the Palestinians, are groundless, baseless, and illegal.

4. Hezbollah attacked Israel first. Therefore, Israel has the right to defend itself.

5. Since Hezbollah attacked Israel first, its actions in any military capacity are illegitimate.

Got it? Good!

my poins that if Bush gives weapons to Israel..

then it is legitimate for other Countries to give weapons to Hezbollah.

THAT IS MY POINT.
Do you want to counter my point?.
Can you counter it?
If that is the case.. you are welcome to try.
The US gives weapons to Israel as Israel is a sovereign nation that is allowed to maintain an army. 100% legal.

Hezbollah is an illegal organization. UNSCR 1559 forbids them from having weapons. Therefore it is illegal for a nation to give them weapons.

THAT IS MY POINT.

Do you want to counter my point?.
Can you counter it?
If that is the case.. you are welcome to try.

...put in for a little payback.

You don't think someone should be allowed to finance a proxy battle...Well.. the US has always been able to away with it..
No one was ever able to get "a little payback"..

not before september eleven anyways.

Well.. the US has always been able to away with it..
No one was ever able to get "a little payback"..

not before september eleven anyways.

I guess you're also overlooking the fact that the United Nations has Hezbollah as an illegal organization that is forbidden to own weapons.

Is the United Nations the United States? I hardly think so.

So a fair number of people in the world want to fuck Hezbollah in the ass.

Well.. the US has always been able to away with it..
No one was ever able to get "a little payback"..

not before september eleven anyways.

Are you saying that 9/11 was payback for supporting a 100% legitament nation? Are you actually happy that 9/11 took place?

Are you saying that 9/11 was payback for supporting a 100% legitament nation? Are you actually happy that 9/11 took place?
He obviously is. HE also would be happy if the 6 million Jews of Israel were killed.

Are you saying that 9/11 was payback for supporting a 100% legitament nation? Are you actually happy that 9/11 took place?

Yes, Ocean is very glad about 9-11, and has had some very virulently anti-Jewish slurs to sling around before.

Yes, Ocean is very glad about 9-11, and has had some very virulently anti-Jewish slurs to sling around before.
I want DK to post a collection of the OD quotes he has collected before he edits his posts.

Very interesting.

Yes, Ocean is very glad about 9-11, and has had some very virulently anti-Jewish slurs to sling around before.

I want DK to post a collection of the OD quotes he has collected before he edits his posts.
I second this motion. I've never met a terror supporter and I guess now I have. :eek:

¿Todavía tienes la reputación de un loco que ama a Bin Laden? Pucha…

Are you actually happy that 9/11 took place?people were killed.. of course I am not happy.. like I was not happy when we killed thousands of Vietnam peasants
Are you saying that 9/11 was payback for supporting..It was payback for something wasnt it?

Or.. do you actually believe the Bushites presidential adress: "they hate us because we are the beacon of Justice and freedom"

¿Todavía tienes la reputación de un loco que ama a Bin Laden? Pucha…
Yes that's Oceandrive.

¿Todavía tienes la reputación de un loco que ama a Bin Laden? Pucha…no se puede amar a una persona como el.. Pero menos se puede amar a los Bushites.

people were killed.. of course I am not happy.. like I was not happy when we killed thousands of Vietnam peasants

Nice dodge of the question. Let me rephrase it! If no one was killed and the towers and pentagon was still hit, would you be happy?

It was payback for something wasnt it?

Or.. do you actually believe the Bushites presidential adress: "they hate us because we are the beacon of Justice and freedom"

It is obvious that you do not but then I doubt you are happy with the freedoms you do have. Remember OcceanDrive, no one enjoys what they have until they lose it.

I second this motion. I've never met a terror supporter and I guess now I have. :eek:mama mia..

o noes ..

he is calling me a terrorist..

*Cries* :D :D :p :D

no se puede amar a una persona como el.. Pero menos se puede amar a los Bushites.
It's all or nothing, baby, you're with us or against us in this world...pero ya sabes que te quiero:)

senora oceanwalk has an attention deficit disorder that requires insane unfounded post to provide much needed social intercourse ...sadly its online and OD is anti social..or at least anti -sense.:rolleyes:

Nice dodge of the question. Let me rephrase it! If no one was killed and the towers and pentagon was still hit, would you be happy?I was an act of war.. and I am against War.. so I am against any act of War.
I am against the WTC attack. (do I need to spell it?)
I am against both 9-11 acts of War.
Remember OcceanDrive, no one enjoys what they have until they lose it.We used to be a better Nation.. we lost it.

yes I do miss it.

I was an act of war.. and I am against War.. so I am against any act of War.
I am against the WTC attack. (do I need to spell it?)
I am against both 9-11 acts of War.
We used to be a better Nation.. we lost it.

yes I do miss it.

A better nation uh? Under whose administration?

It's all or nothing, baby, you're with us or against us in this world...pero ya sabes que te quiero:)no problemo..

Mis testiculos son de titanium.. they can call me Nazi/Commie/Santisemite/Terrorist/whatever..

But thay cant shut dowm my spirit. Not as long as I pay my Internet Service provider bills :D

If no one was killed and the towers and pentagon was still hit, would you be happy?
What was so 'wrong' with the Pentagon being hit may I ask?

mama mia..
he is calling me a terrorist..


Nope
Terrorist=\= Terrorist supporter.

A Terrorist goes out ther and commits his terror.

A supporter cheers them on.

What was so 'wrong' with the Pentagon being hit may I ask?

Because it costs Tax dollars to fix the place up? Because it's just a cool looking building?

What was so 'wrong' with the Pentagon being hit may I ask?

In reality nothing but it was part of the 9/11 attacks so I had to include it.

Because it costs Tax dollars to fix the place up? Because it's just a cool looking building?

Oh right. Nothing moral or legal then.

(Thats not sarcasm)

A better nation uh? Under whose administration?I dont know.. My grandad says.. The rest of the World used to call us "The Land of the Free"..

I miss that.. Its like an old Family picture.. I can picture it.. out of reach.. yet I still miss it.

What was so 'wrong' with the Pentagon being hit may I ask?


they used a plane full of people unwilling to be bombs .

I dont know.. My grandad says.. The rest of the World used to call us "The Land of the Free"..

I miss that.. Its like an old Family picture.. I can picture it.. out of reach.. yet I still miss it.

Hate to break this to you OcceanDrive but this nation has not been a better place under any administration. Some did very good things but in reality, we are just like any other nation. We have our pros and cons and no administration is going to be able to change that.

they used a plane full of people unwilling to be bombs .
I didn't ask about the method. I asked about the act.

senora oceanwalk has an attention deficit disorder that requires insane unfounded post to provide much needed social intercourse WTF ??

I do not care if you say I am a Pinko Commie
I do not care if you say I am a Nazi
I do not care if you say I am a Terrorist/supporter or otherwise
I do not care if you say I am an antisemite
I do not care if you say I am a Massascusets Liberal
I do not care if you say I am a Texas Neocon
I do not care if you say I am a Northenr Yankee
I do not care if you say I am a South Red-Neck
I do not care if you say I am extreme Left/Rigth/up/down/sideways..

But for your Information I do get enough Intercourse. :D
probably way more than what you will ever get. ;)

But for your Information I do give enough Oral Intercourse. :D
Glad I caught it before you edited it.

Fixed it.your sexual fantasies are showing up ;)

your sexual fantasies are showing up ;)
I don't know what's more disturbing. That you think I have fantasies about you or that you think Fantasies like that. Just leave me out of your dreams. :eek: You're just angry that I caught your faux pas before you changed it back.

You're just angry that I caught your faux pas before you changed it back.
It happens all the time. YOu wouldn't believe what his posts look like before he edits them.

I don't know what's more disturbing. That you think I have fantasies about you or that you think Fantasies like that. Just leave me out of your dreams. :eek: You're just angry that I caught your faux pas before you changed it back.Not going to Work...
Jolt keeps a reccord of all editing..
And there was a Mod ruling banning fake quotations unless its inside these ()..

The ruling was made by the mod Katganistan.

Israel army gets Billion in weapons from US.

Hezbollah gets tens of thousands (my speculation) from Iran, Saudi arabia, Syria and many others ..

Heck I would not be surprised if Chavez is giving a few AKs to Hezbollah.

What is your point?

Ok, so, you constantly attack the US for supporting Isreal and vetoing UN resolutions.

The UN passed a resolution to disarm Hezbollah which numerous countries are blatantly ignoring.

Yet you do not spew the same vitriol against those countries while ignoring numerous parts of my post.

.. ignoring numerous parts of my post.any single your posts in these Forums tend to contain a few ideas/affirmations/insinuations...


Sometimes you will say something wrong (IMO).. but not I will not contest it.. as I find it insignificant.. or silly.

but sometimes it will be too much for me to let-it-go...

one of the things you said will be too much for me to ignore
I will focus on that thing.

its a so-many-things-so-little-time situation.. and I prefer not to complicate things if there is no need.

and of course many of the things you say are agreeable by me... so I will not touch them.

BTW this applyes to most posters. (not only you)

WTF ??

I do not care if you say I am a Pinko Commie
I do not care if you say I am a Nazi
I do not care if you say I am a Terrorist/supporter or otherwise
I do not care if you say I am an antisemite
I do not care if you say I am a Massascusets Liberal
I do not care if you say I am a Texas Neocon
I do not care if you say I am a Northenr Yankee
I do not care if you say I am a South Red-Neck
I do not care if you say I am extreme Left/Rigth/up/down/sideways..

But for your Information I do get enough Intercourse. :D
probably way more than what you will ever get. ;)


someone sell him a clue...please .:rolleyes:

someone sell him a clue...please .:rolleyes:I do know you are not talking about sex.. :rolleyes:

and you know.. it is very diffucult to use the word intercourse.. sans sex. :D

They knew it was a UN outpost, but the fact was that Hezbollah was launching rockets from within the compound's grounds.

And you have proof of this?

THat's because 80% of the Madate was Jordan. In fact there is a Palestinian state. It just isn't called Palestine.

Even excluding Jordan, there would be a minority. Unless you just want to go around with a pen, circling everywhere you feel like and altering demographics



They knew it was a UN outpost, but the fact was that Hezbollah was launching rockets from within the compound's grounds. That made it a target as Hezbollah was using the UN as a human shield. It's Hezbollah's fault for using the site, not Israel's.

And that doesnt answer the issue that was raised - why, during 6 hours of bombardment, did they not take any footage, from drones, manned flights or on the ground?. How did they get the authorisation for a strike on a UN outpost without presenting clear evidence further up the command chain? This wasnt a split second descion, by any means.

And you have proof of this?
The UN itself disclosed this when they released an e-mail from the Canadian observer saying Ketyushas were being launched from 10 feet away from the builiding. This was also within the groudns of the UN post.

Listen to this CBC news radio broadcast

http://cbc.ca/metromorning/media/20060726LMCJUL26.ram

Even excluding Jordan, there would be a minority. Unless you just want to go around with a pen, circling everywhere you feel like and altering demographics
Israel didn't go around drawing with the pen. Brittain did. The fact is there is a Palestinian state and has been since 1920. (Something that the Palestinians don't like to be known.) The only reason the Jews got such a large amount of land was that 75% of their land was the arid Negev Desert (which was unpopulated at the tiem.)



And that doesnt answer the issue that was raised - why, during 6 hours of bombardment, did they not take any footage, from drones, manned flights or on the ground?. How did they get the authorisation for a strike on a UN outpost without presenting clear evidence further up the command chain? This wasnt a split second descion, by any means.They knew it was a UN outpost, but guess what? It was used by Hezbollah. The UN wasn't doing anything about it and Israel had to stop the rockets so they had to fire.

The UN itself disclosed this when they released an e-mail from the Canadian observer saying Ketyushas were being launched from 10 feet away from the builiding. This was also within the groudns of the UN post.

Listen to this CBC news radio broadcast

http://cbc.ca/metromorning/media/20060726LMCJUL26.ram
You mean this (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060718/mideast_lebanon_UN_060716/20060718/) email?

The one where there is absolutely no mention of "Ketyushas were being launched from 10 feet away from the building."?

That one?

Israel didn't go around drawing with the pen. Brittain did. The fact is there is a Palestinian state and has been since 1920. (Something that the Palestinians don't like to be known.) The only reason the Jews got such a large amount of land was that 75% of their land was the arid Negev Desert (which was unpopulated at the tiem.)

Dodging the issue. How much of the land was in "Jewish" ownership by 1946/47? Before any award of land by the UN.


They knew it was a UN outpost, but guess what? It was used by Hezbollah. The UN wasn't doing anything about it and Israel had to stop the rockets so they had to fire.

Considering it was a UN outpost, why is there no surveillance footage available to exonerate Israel, showing Hezbollah? They had six hours. Thats an awfully long time in war. We arent talking about the usual split second is?/isn't decision one might expect. No drones, no helicopters, no planes, no ground personell with any recording equipment at all. Did one of Hezbollahs rockets hit the warehouse in Haifa were all the batteries in Israel are kept?

someone sell him a clue...please .:rolleyes:
Colonel Mustard in the bedroom.
Guess with which weapon.
Giggity giggity giggity.